| 41. It goes beyond that. Minor children of American who perish are .... |
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...eligible for Social Security. Kidney failure and other severe medical problems can make one eligible.
This is as it should be.
Don't tell me we can't afford it. We just need a different tax policy.
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| -How on earth does a system that you pay into with your own money become an 'entitlement'? |
truebrit71 |
Mar-28-11 03:03 PM |
#0 |
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Too much thinking |
Blue Owl |
Mar-28-11 03:07 PM |
#1 |
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Republicons don't think like people. They think like tax-dodging billionaires |
SpiralHawk |
Mar-28-11 03:09 PM |
#6 |
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Republicans are now Libertarians! n/t |
sasquuatch55 |
Mar-29-11 01:08 PM |
#167 |
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And sadly, most of our DLC elected officials |
truedelphi |
Mar-29-11 02:48 PM |
#178 |
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That 'thinking' will turn you into a pinko commie, too! |
HCE SuiGeneris |
Mar-28-11 11:06 PM |
#89 |
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To think is pink. |
Citizen Worker |
Mar-29-11 12:36 AM |
#93 |
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"Framing" is everything. "Earned Benefits" is better term for Social Security, etc. |
SharonAnn |
Mar-29-11 12:17 PM |
#156 |
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I wish our Democratic Party Leadership would STOP using the Republican framing. |
bvar22 |
Mar-29-11 01:27 PM |
#171 |
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Democratic leadership or DLC is funded by the Koch brothers; |
ooglymoogly |
Mar-29-11 06:01 PM |
#183 |
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I paid for my life insurance policy. |
fasttense |
Mar-28-11 03:07 PM |
#2 |
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Congress has robbed Social security. |
lob1 |
Mar-28-11 03:08 PM |
#3 |
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Over simplistic |
BobbyBoring |
Mar-29-11 11:54 AM |
#153 |
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That is UNTRUE...and MORE Republican talking points. |
bvar22 |
Mar-29-11 01:35 PM |
#174 |
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I think the "problem" is that we all contribute, and share it. |
phantom power |
Mar-28-11 03:09 PM |
#4 |
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Conservatives don't want to pay back the iou's they wrote after raiding it |
Donnachaidh |
Mar-28-11 03:10 PM |
#9 |
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I thought that conservatives are all about "responsibility" |
Proud Liberal Dem |
Mar-28-11 03:12 PM |
#13 |
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To paraphrase Leona Helmsley: Responsibility is for the little people... |
rfranklin |
Mar-28-11 03:15 PM |
#16 |
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How true |
Proud Liberal Dem |
Mar-28-11 04:59 PM |
#58 |
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Responsibility???!!! |
oneAngryOhioDem |
Mar-29-11 06:23 AM |
#117 |
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Except for the minor fact that Democrats were running Congress for |
Common Sense Party |
Mar-28-11 03:29 PM |
#23 |
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Really? RepubliCONS ran the congress from 2000 to 2006. |
fasttense |
Mar-28-11 03:53 PM |
#38 |
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That was my point, neither party is blameless. |
Common Sense Party |
Mar-28-11 04:46 PM |
#54 |
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Thanks. Good chart. |
emilyg |
Mar-29-11 12:29 AM |
#91 |
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Thanks |
guardian |
Mar-29-11 09:45 AM |
#144 |
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Most of it went to partially |
Enthusiast |
Mar-28-11 03:59 PM |
#44 |
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So did T-bills! Are you suggesting we shouldn't pay those as well? |
on point |
Mar-29-11 07:00 AM |
#123 |
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You lost me there. I have no idea what you're on about. n/t |
Common Sense Party |
Mar-29-11 08:35 AM |
#137 |
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The SSI IOU's need to be paid, same as T-Bill IOU's. Cut SSI only if willing to stop paying T-Bills |
on point |
Mar-29-11 10:09 AM |
#147 |
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Democrats, for the last 40 yrs have not run congress or the Senate. |
ooglymoogly |
Mar-29-11 01:33 PM |
#173 |
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Democrats are Democrats. |
Common Sense Party |
Mar-29-11 02:55 PM |
#180 |
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Only a homogenized mind could make such a statement. |
ooglymoogly |
Mar-29-11 04:03 PM |
#181 |
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And Republicans are Republicans. |
Common Sense Party |
Mar-29-11 05:57 PM |
#182 |
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And that is just what you are programmed to believe. nt |
ooglymoogly |
Mar-29-11 06:03 PM |
#184 |
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They don't want to share, regardless of color. n/t |
Scuba |
Mar-28-11 03:55 PM |
#39 |
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They only agreed to a common cause when it advantaged them. |
freshwest |
Mar-29-11 11:39 AM |
#151 |
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It's NATIONAL INSURANCE!!!! |
mwooldri |
Mar-29-11 12:41 PM |
#160 |
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poor people in general will share it. |
obxhead |
Mar-29-11 01:24 PM |
#170 |
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the congress.org page on facebook is being written by RW nutbags now |
Donnachaidh |
Mar-28-11 03:09 PM |
#5 |
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republican semantics. |
hobbit709 |
Mar-28-11 03:09 PM |
#7 |
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because you are entitled to the money you paid in. |
spanone |
Mar-28-11 03:10 PM |
#8 |
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+100 |
lumberjack_jeff |
Mar-28-11 07:27 PM |
#75 |
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how bout this, i paid into it, i'm entitled to get it back? |
dionysus |
Mar-28-11 03:10 PM |
#10 |
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It goes beyond that. Minor children of American who perish are .... |
Scuba |
Mar-28-11 03:57 PM |
#41 |
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delete |
Coyote_Bandit |
Mar-28-11 04:33 PM |
#49 |
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i am aware it's also an insurance program for the children of deceased parents. i never said we |
dionysus |
Mar-28-11 06:29 PM |
#67 |
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So, if the cap on SS contributions is removed, and the rich wind up |
Common Sense Party |
Mar-28-11 04:48 PM |
#56 |
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no. i'm just saying there's nothing wrong with the word entitlement, except the way the RW uses it. |
dionysus |
Mar-28-11 06:19 PM |
#66 |
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Socialist... |
LooseWilly |
Mar-29-11 01:56 AM |
#101 |
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Well, the GOP never stops trying anyway |
Proud Liberal Dem |
Mar-28-11 03:11 PM |
#11 |
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Teacher and Public Employees.... |
AnneD |
Mar-28-11 03:12 PM |
#12 |
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I'm a retired public employee |
footinmouth |
Mar-28-11 03:16 PM |
#17 |
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Windfall Elimination Act... |
AnneD |
Mar-28-11 03:33 PM |
#30 |
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I guess it does vary from state to state, district to district |
footinmouth |
Mar-28-11 10:05 PM |
#82 |
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Many teachers don't contribute to Social Security |
hack89 |
Mar-28-11 03:37 PM |
#34 |
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That varies from state to state. |
marew |
Mar-28-11 06:41 PM |
#71 |
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Me, too here in CA |
Iwillnevergiveup |
Mar-29-11 01:48 AM |
#99 |
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That's your state. In PA we teachers pay into both, and get both. |
WinkyDink |
Mar-29-11 07:14 AM |
#127 |
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Well, we do at present. |
mlevans |
Mar-29-11 01:02 PM |
#163 |
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Entitlement is a legal term which means a guarantee of access to benefits |
hack89 |
Mar-28-11 03:12 PM |
#14 |
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Exactly. Thank you for stating what should be obvious. n/t |
Common Sense Party |
Mar-28-11 03:30 PM |
#24 |
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Thank you. |
emilyg |
Mar-29-11 12:31 AM |
#92 |
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It's become a pejorative for people who think they are owed something without offering anything |
tcaudilllg |
Mar-29-11 06:05 AM |
#113 |
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You miss one essential characteristic. |
TahitiNut |
Mar-29-11 09:00 AM |
#138 |
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This post of yours is one brilliant essay. |
truedelphi |
Mar-30-11 01:15 AM |
#187 |
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Thank you. It's something I've thought about a lot ... and researched. |
TahitiNut |
Mar-30-11 08:29 AM |
#189 |
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In the Republican language words have whatever meaning best suits the wealthy. |
drm604 |
Mar-28-11 03:15 PM |
#15 |
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Well said.....nt |
Enthusiast |
Mar-28-11 04:03 PM |
#46 |
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you forgot one for muslims - "athiests" |
tonybgood |
Mar-29-11 01:00 PM |
#162 |
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Entitlement means something is owed or belongs to you. It's a fine word. |
pnwmom |
Mar-28-11 03:18 PM |
#18 |
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..in the frame of reference being used by the gop it means "getting something for nothing".. |
truebrit71 |
Mar-28-11 03:23 PM |
#20 |
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But that's referring to a false sense of entitlement, |
pnwmom |
Mar-28-11 04:42 PM |
#53 |
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..which is precisely why the gop uses that word... |
truebrit71 |
Mar-29-11 09:05 AM |
#140 |
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This is actually an excellent point. Due to complicity with media mouthpieces, the GOP has successf |
closeupready |
Mar-28-11 03:30 PM |
#25 |
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Same way that 'liberal' |
Enthusiast |
Mar-28-11 04:04 PM |
#47 |
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See my response above. |
TahitiNut |
Mar-29-11 09:05 AM |
#139 |
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GOP sees entitlement and thinks privilege(d). |
BadgerKid |
Mar-28-11 03:22 PM |
#19 |
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Not just social security, but unemployment insurance. |
closeupready |
Mar-28-11 03:23 PM |
#21 |
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Because the government feels entitled to the surplus. |
eShirl |
Mar-28-11 03:24 PM |
#22 |
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When the Koch Bros & the BFEE tell you so. |
Skidmore |
Mar-28-11 03:31 PM |
#26 |
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Yeah. You're entitled to your money. |
Octafish |
Mar-28-11 03:32 PM |
#27 |
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Wow, isn't that the truth......they just do not admit your right to |
Trailrider1951 |
Mar-28-11 07:55 PM |
#78 |
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We need to start taking away "entitlements" from legislators. We need a big push |
loudsue |
Mar-28-11 03:33 PM |
#28 |
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2 words - TERM LIMITS!!! |
tonybgood |
Mar-29-11 01:02 PM |
#164 |
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You seem to be confused about the meaning of "entitlement" |
iamtechus |
Mar-28-11 03:33 PM |
#29 |
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You seem to be confused about how the gop is using that word.. |
truebrit71 |
Mar-28-11 03:40 PM |
#35 |
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Thieves say things like that. And it is still the third rail. |
aquart |
Mar-28-11 03:35 PM |
#31 |
| -
The Right (and the Third Wayers) have demonized the word "entitlement" |
MannyGoldstein |
Mar-28-11 03:36 PM |
#32 |
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Bingo! Just like "liberal" is used as a put-down.. |
truebrit71 |
Mar-28-11 03:41 PM |
#36 |
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Your question answers itself. nt |
Lex |
Mar-28-11 03:36 PM |
#33 |
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The real problem is lumping all "entitlements" together so as to attack Social Security. |
Jim Lane |
Mar-28-11 03:43 PM |
#37 |
| -
Meanwhile we borrow money to wage war. n/t |
Scuba |
Mar-28-11 04:00 PM |
#45 |
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Because if the Rethugs can significant cut or much better still, eliminate SS/SSD/SSDI |
Urban Prairie |
Mar-28-11 03:57 PM |
#40 |
| -
They have stolen and twisted the word "entitlement" |
annabanana |
Mar-28-11 03:58 PM |
#42 |
| -
And where are the ultra right conservatives to champion contract law? |
2gabby |
Mar-28-11 03:59 PM |
#43 |
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The conservative logic goes like this: |
Atypical Liberal |
Mar-28-11 04:22 PM |
#48 |
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some charts showing lifetime benefits and taxes for SS & Medicare (hint-Medicare is toast) |
stockholmer |
Mar-29-11 03:22 AM |
#106 |
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Great info |
Atypical Liberal |
Mar-29-11 06:43 AM |
#119 |
| -
I hate that word. |
geardaddy |
Mar-28-11 04:35 PM |
#50 |
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What you don't think that after paying in for so long you are not entitled? |
Bandit |
Mar-28-11 04:40 PM |
#51 |
| -
Better question: When did "entitlement" become a dirty word? |
PeaceNikki |
Mar-28-11 04:42 PM |
#52 |
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Because it benefits poor people. |
baldguy |
Mar-28-11 04:48 PM |
#55 |
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What ROYALLY PISSES ME OFF is that DEMOCRATS are using that |
in_cog_ni_to |
Mar-28-11 04:50 PM |
#57 |
| -
Are they really "Democrats" if they are helping drive the GOP agenda forward? |
Lorien |
Mar-28-11 05:40 PM |
#62 |
| -
Fo realz. PURGE 2012!!! |
tcaudilllg |
Mar-29-11 06:05 AM |
#114 |
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"An entitlement is a guarantee of access to benefits based on established rights or by legislation." |
dionysus |
Mar-28-11 06:38 PM |
#70 |
| -
And Medicare is an insurance policy we are forced to pay into... |
JuniperLea |
Mar-28-11 05:03 PM |
#59 |
| -
You're entitled by virtue of the fact that you paid into it! |
frebrd |
Mar-28-11 05:31 PM |
#60 |
| -
It's not. It's a Social Program. Reagan branded them "entitlements" |
Lorien |
Mar-28-11 05:39 PM |
#61 |
| -
Reagan also never balanced a budget! |
tonybgood |
Mar-29-11 01:07 PM |
#166 |
| -
"entitlement" is not a pejorative. |
MilesColtrane |
Mar-28-11 06:01 PM |
#63 |
| -
Because the rich bastards don't have it? |
Initech |
Mar-28-11 06:04 PM |
#64 |
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In 20 years the rich will claim you're 401k is an entitlement. |
sarcasmo |
Mar-28-11 06:07 PM |
#65 |
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Ya that was my first thought when I heard the pundits drivel and drooling |
Rex |
Mar-28-11 06:30 PM |
#68 |
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do you know the meaning of the word? |
dionysus |
Mar-28-11 06:31 PM |
#69 |
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When your average middle of the road independent American |
hulka38 |
Mar-28-11 07:44 PM |
#76 |
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i'd rather we not let them do to the word "entitlement" what they did to "liberal". |
dionysus |
Mar-28-11 07:54 PM |
#77 |
| -
The GOP has been largely successful in redefining the word |
hulka38 |
Mar-28-11 09:44 PM |
#79 |
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That's one meaning, and here's the way some in government use it |
Exilednight |
Mar-28-11 09:48 PM |
#80 |
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I don't know. |
hulka38 |
Mar-28-11 06:49 PM |
#72 |
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EASY... it's Called Fascist Propaganda via FOX News, Rush Limpballs, etc. |
fascisthunter |
Mar-28-11 06:51 PM |
#73 |
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Because the republicans want to steal it |
Avant Guardian |
Mar-28-11 06:54 PM |
#74 |
| -
Reminds Me of an Older Guy Who Used to Hang Around the Diner |
On the Road |
Mar-28-11 09:54 PM |
#81 |
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Your money was given to retirees, not invested. |
dkf |
Mar-28-11 10:10 PM |
#83 |
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the problem is |
rdking647 |
Mar-28-11 10:11 PM |
#84 |
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Retirement at 70? Okay. What line of work are you in, btw? |
Mnemosyne |
Mar-29-11 12:44 AM |
#96 |
| -
why does it matter? |
rdking647 |
Mar-29-11 05:00 AM |
#109 |
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I hope you're a bricklayer or a carpet installer. |
bluethruandthru |
Mar-29-11 06:43 AM |
#120 |
| -
even if your a brick layer |
rdking647 |
Mar-29-11 10:47 AM |
#149 |
| -
There is no "solution" needed for Social Security! |
bluethruandthru |
Mar-29-11 12:39 PM |
#159 |
| -
Raising taxes so that appropriate amounts were paid, as they were forty years ago, would fix SS |
anneboleyn |
Mar-30-11 01:56 AM |
#188 |
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because there is a huge difference between sitting at a desk until 70, and |
Mnemosyne |
Mar-29-11 06:45 AM |
#121 |
| -
except it doesn't need fixing, it just needs it;s loans repaid |
bettyellen |
Mar-29-11 07:24 AM |
#128 |
| -
Hmmm... cause you're entitled to it? |
Kip Humphrey |
Mar-28-11 10:39 PM |
#85 |
| -
Boy, isn't THAT the damned truth? |
MrMickeysMom |
Mar-28-11 10:44 PM |
#86 |
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probably because the amount most people pay into it |
fried eggs |
Mar-28-11 10:51 PM |
#87 |
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I worked for the Social Security Administration whole working life |
Silver Swan |
Mar-28-11 10:57 PM |
#88 |
| -
Frank Luntz and GOP can turn any word into a DIRTY word -- !!! |
defendandprotect |
Mar-29-11 01:35 PM |
#175 |
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If they are so dead set on eliminating this "entitlement"... |
Frisbee |
Mar-29-11 12:26 AM |
#90 |
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When Frank Luntz -- GOP propagandist works on it -- !!! |
defendandprotect |
Mar-29-11 12:40 AM |
#94 |
| -
global warming makes you think the earth is getting warmer. in fact |
ejpoeta |
Mar-29-11 05:46 AM |
#110 |
| -
That's the confusion Rush Limbaugh sells ... but false -- |
defendandprotect |
Mar-29-11 01:33 PM |
#172 |
| -
thanks. i agree that it IS a warming, but there is also climate change |
ejpoeta |
Mar-29-11 06:14 PM |
#185 |
| -
Climate change is a euphemism intended to make the public think that |
defendandprotect |
Mar-29-11 10:36 PM |
#186 |
| -
Social Security is a program created by the passage of the FEDERAL INSURANCE CONTRIBUTION ACT. It |
Citizen Worker |
Mar-29-11 12:44 AM |
#95 |
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Because they are aware that the word is most commonly used |
Norrin Radd |
Mar-29-11 01:00 AM |
#97 |
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K & FUCKING R!!! |
Keith Bee |
Mar-29-11 01:38 AM |
#98 |
| -
Simple. You earned it, thus you are fully entitled to it. |
pnwmom |
Mar-29-11 01:53 AM |
#100 |
| -
SS Welfare? |
Crusader Rabbit |
Mar-29-11 01:56 AM |
#102 |
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So true. It's a buzzword so firmly entrenched into the lexicon of apathetic dolts |
Populist_Prole |
Mar-29-11 02:06 AM |
#103 |
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Because it is yours, you are 'entitled' to it? n/t |
Obamanaut |
Mar-29-11 02:39 AM |
#104 |
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When the GOP lies about it....nt |
old mark |
Mar-29-11 02:44 AM |
#105 |
| -
Precisely |
Sherman A1 |
Mar-29-11 04:36 AM |
#107 |
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Because it's our money. |
JoeyT |
Mar-29-11 04:55 AM |
#108 |
| -
entitlement: a right to benefits specified especially by law or contract |
freedom fighter jh |
Mar-29-11 05:53 AM |
#111 |
| -
How does it become a "sacred cow"? |
tcaudilllg |
Mar-29-11 06:02 AM |
#112 |
| -
Whom are you quoting? |
WinkyDink |
Mar-29-11 07:25 AM |
#130 |
| -
Cutting entitlements is equivelant to a retroactive tax increase. |
rucky |
Mar-29-11 06:08 AM |
#115 |
| -
I agree |
Mudoria |
Mar-29-11 06:22 AM |
#116 |
| -
Because you ARE entitled to it...it's yours! |
indimuse |
Mar-29-11 06:40 AM |
#118 |
| -
Because social security couldn't be cut. |
ctsnowman |
Mar-29-11 06:52 AM |
#122 |
| -
foot in mouth |
dothemath |
Mar-29-11 07:11 AM |
#124 |
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But it IS an entitlement! The PROBLEM, THE EVIL, is that Republicans have made the LEGITIMATE term |
WinkyDink |
Mar-29-11 07:13 AM |
#125 |
| -
I miss the good old days when elders were respected rather |
Vinca |
Mar-29-11 07:13 AM |
#126 |
| -
FTR: Teachers pay SS taxes in 36 states. |
WinkyDink |
Mar-29-11 07:24 AM |
#129 |
| -
To be precise: Defined benefit vs defined contribution |
on point |
Mar-29-11 07:28 AM |
#131 |
| -
That's easy, the neo-cons, corporations,republicans,etc get thier orders from...... |
nolabels |
Mar-29-11 07:30 AM |
#132 |
| -
Sounds like paying out retirement benefits for elected officials is also |
midnight |
Mar-29-11 07:38 AM |
#133 |
| -
Because you're "entitled" to the money after you've paid in |
Recursion |
Mar-29-11 07:57 AM |
#134 |
| -
You're entitled to get what you paid for. nt |
Deep13 |
Mar-29-11 08:06 AM |
#135 |
| -
When they have to pay you back? |
Historic NY |
Mar-29-11 08:24 AM |
#136 |
| -
As a mental exercise, just substitute the word "earnings" and regard the similarity. |
TahitiNut |
Mar-29-11 09:07 AM |
#141 |
| -
easy. americans let 1000 radio stations create that reality for guys like the kochs, by allowing |
certainot |
Mar-29-11 09:18 AM |
#142 |
| -
since the reagan era, the gop has been counting social security withholding to |
struggle4progress |
Mar-29-11 09:39 AM |
#143 |
| -
The repukes lie better than the Dems tell the truth!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
BrklynLiberal |
Mar-29-11 09:58 AM |
#145 |
| -
They like to include veterans benefits |
The Wizard |
Mar-29-11 10:01 AM |
#146 |
| -
When warmongering psychopaths own the media. |
Gregorian |
Mar-29-11 10:30 AM |
#148 |
| -
And it isn't even that we as individuals pay into it. Some of us did |
jwirr |
Mar-29-11 11:01 AM |
#150 |
| -
True dat. I think we need to sack the Republican Party as a viable legitimate electable party. |
earcandle |
Mar-29-11 11:48 AM |
#152 |
| -
only entitlements for: corporations and the rich, it's called |
katty |
Mar-29-11 12:08 PM |
#154 |
| -
Shut up and drink your tea. |
Kablooie |
Mar-29-11 12:15 PM |
#155 |
| -
Social Security isn't a 401(k) |
DefenseLawyer |
Mar-29-11 12:22 PM |
#157 |
| -
It's so broken, not sure discussion now helps anyway. |
SoulSearcher |
Mar-29-11 12:43 PM |
#161 |
| -
Actually it isn't broken at all |
DefenseLawyer |
Mar-29-11 01:04 PM |
#165 |
| -
Bullshit....Social Security is NOT "broken". |
bvar22 |
Mar-29-11 01:42 PM |
#176 |
| -
whenever i hear social security referred to |
DesertFlower |
Mar-29-11 12:33 PM |
#158 |
| -
When Wall Street |
Turbineguy |
Mar-29-11 01:12 PM |
#168 |
| -
It's a transfer program, NOT an entitlement! |
colorado_ufo |
Mar-29-11 01:15 PM |
#169 |
| -
What we thought was ours, is actually theirs |
peace frog |
Mar-29-11 01:57 PM |
#177 |
| -
C'mon people. Don't be foolish... |
Corruption Winz |
Mar-29-11 02:52 PM |
#179 |
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