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intheflow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-28-11 09:58 AM
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91. If you joined in 2007,
how would you know what DU was like in 2003, when the OP joined?

And since when is pacifism outdated? You're proving the OP's point by posting such a statement on DU today.
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  -What the hell has happened to Democratic Underground? Syrinx  Mar-28-11 06:59 AM   #0 
  - This is gonna get locked  notadmblnd   Mar-28-11 07:02 AM   #1 
  - Nothing has happened to DU. It's basically the same as it was...  HereSince1628   Mar-28-11 07:04 AM   #2 
  - You haven't been paying attention if you think Nothing has happened.  ThomCat   Mar-28-11 09:46 AM   #86 
  - Maybe you should give some concrete examples...  DutchLiberal   Mar-28-11 07:05 AM   #3 
  - +1 n/t  JTFrog   Mar-28-11 07:05 AM   #4 
  - Obama is working steadily to Slash Social Security  MannyGoldstein   Mar-28-11 07:27 AM   #16 
  - +1...  SidDithers   Mar-28-11 07:31 AM   #20 
  - Always interesting to see who thinks this place is too far left  CreekDog   Mar-28-11 08:42 AM   #65 
     - I didn't say anything about being "too far left"...  SidDithers   Mar-28-11 08:47 AM   #70 
     - orifice  CreekDog   Mar-28-11 08:57 AM   #71 
     - You thought wrong...nt  SidDithers   Mar-28-11 09:00 AM   #72 
     - Interesting. We don't often agree, but here we do..........  socialist_n_TN   Mar-28-11 10:54 AM   #125 
        - I suspect we probably agree far more often than either of us thinks...  SidDithers   Mar-28-11 11:01 AM   #131 
           - Maybe so Sid, maybe so...........  socialist_n_TN   Mar-28-11 11:28 AM   #148 
     - Please point out where I said this place "is too far left"... You can't do it.  DutchLiberal   Mar-28-11 11:12 AM   #139 
  - "outdated pacifism"  JVS   Mar-28-11 07:32 AM   #22 
  - Perhaps "outdated" is the new "quaint". n/t  gkhouston   Mar-28-11 08:00 AM   #41 
  - wars and $700 Billion defense budgets never go out of style  CreekDog   Mar-28-11 08:43 AM   #66 
  - You don't need $700 billion to assist NATO in helping the Libyans...  DutchLiberal   Mar-28-11 11:18 AM   #143 
  - Those darned elderly pacifismists!  H2O Man   Mar-28-11 08:45 AM   #69 
  - You want to add a thought, an argument or an explanation to that?  DutchLiberal   Mar-28-11 11:17 AM   #142 
  - I've seen stuff that seems very much like  NYC Liberal   Mar-28-11 08:06 AM   #44 
  - why do you post that outdated number? there's been a new (and lower one) for a while?  CreekDog   Mar-28-11 08:44 AM   #68 
  - It's fluctuated a whole...3%...between 84 and 87 in the past few weeks. nt  NYC Liberal   Mar-28-11 09:37 AM   #83 
     - Ah so you knew it was 84% but you kept your graphic (sans link) saying 87%  CreekDog   Mar-28-11 10:52 AM   #122 
  - Oh, are we entering the Twilight Zone now?  DutchLiberal   Mar-28-11 11:10 AM   #138 
  - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Mar-28-11 09:07 AM   #73 
  - "outdated pacifism"?  kickysnana   Mar-28-11 09:20 AM   #77 
  - Well, the often-repeated depleted uranium lie is a good example  Recursion   Mar-28-11 10:30 AM   #107 
  - Yep, because they wanna convince themselves America is baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaad!  DutchLiberal   Mar-28-11 11:08 AM   #136 
  - I will check that out. n/t  kickysnana   Mar-28-11 11:26 AM   #146 
     - Uranium is a heavy metal  Recursion   Mar-28-11 11:31 AM   #153 
  - If DU were in power in WWII, Europe wouldn't have been liberated at all.  DutchLiberal   Mar-28-11 11:07 AM   #135 
  - Outdated pacifism??  proud2BlibKansan   Mar-28-11 09:47 AM   #88 
  - Welcome to reality. You wanna stop Qaddafi by planting flowers in his soldiers' guns?  DutchLiberal   Mar-28-11 11:02 AM   #133 
  - Define "far left." And where do you see actual Pacifism?  ThomCat   Mar-28-11 09:50 AM   #90 
  - "The far left" is the people on DU who want the Libyans to be massacred, just to hold onto pacifism.  DutchLiberal   Mar-28-11 11:01 AM   #132 
     - Have you seen ANYONE here who wants Libyans to be Massacred?  ThomCat   Mar-28-11 11:53 AM   #160 
        - I'm just pointing out the consequences of their stances. They should own up to that.  DutchLiberal   Mar-28-11 12:17 PM   #167 
  - If you joined in 2007,  intheflow   Mar-28-11 09:58 AM   #91 
  - Pacifism has been outdated since... the beginning of time. War is a reality.  DutchLiberal   Mar-28-11 10:59 AM   #129 
     - Kinda like we stopped the masssacres in Rwanda, or the  displacedvermoter   Mar-28-11 11:16 AM   #141 
        - So you're advocating we should *continue* to look away from massacres?  DutchLiberal   Mar-28-11 11:19 AM   #144 
           - Not necessarily, just wondering  displacedvermoter   Mar-28-11 11:30 AM   #152 
              - There was no oil in Kosovo; no white victims in Somalia...  DutchLiberal   Mar-28-11 12:06 PM   #164 
  - Outdated pacifism. OMG. Reagan totally won. U just validated the OP.  Zorra   Mar-28-11 10:44 AM   #118 
  - Why did Reagan, the worst president ever, "win"? Because I have a realistic worldview?  DutchLiberal   Mar-28-11 10:56 AM   #127 
     - *sigh* Yeh, that "realistic world view" has worked so well for us over the last 30 years.  Zorra   Mar-28-11 11:34 AM   #154 
     - Thank you for saying nicely what I have been feeling  displacedvermoter   Mar-28-11 11:41 AM   #159 
     - Everyone thinks their own viewpoint is realistic.  ThomCat   Mar-28-11 11:55 AM   #161 
        - Why should I care who gets the most agreement on DU? Is this a popularity contest?  DutchLiberal   Mar-28-11 12:22 PM   #168 
  - +1000% --  defendandprotect   Mar-28-11 11:24 AM   #145 
  - But it isn't right wing if Obama does it.  Quantess   Mar-28-11 07:06 AM   #5 
  - Many more than a handful  pintobean   Mar-28-11 08:15 AM   #49 
  - From day-one it has been sickening watching people cheering behaviors  ThomCat   Mar-28-11 10:02 AM   #94 
     - Already said, I would have supported the unified UN action against Libya regardless of who was pres.  Godhumor   Mar-28-11 10:31 AM   #109 
     - +1000000 n/t  Donnachaidh   Mar-28-11 10:51 AM   #121 
     - So true. n/t  QC   Mar-28-11 10:54 AM   #124 
  - What happened? Obama got elected.  Recovered Repug   Mar-28-11 07:08 AM   #6 
  - exactly  ixion   Mar-28-11 07:12 AM   #8 
     - Thankfully, Obama did not attack unilaterally as Bush did, but let the UN make the decision.  pampango   Mar-28-11 09:15 AM   #75 
        - which is a matter of semantics, which matters not to the people on the receiving end  ixion   Mar-28-11 11:10 AM   #137 
  - Regretfully, you are right. nt  mfcorey1   Mar-28-11 07:11 AM   #7 
  - It's not Alabama that makes people suspicious, it's that silly checkered hat that Bear Bryant wears.  leveymg   Mar-28-11 07:13 AM   #9 
  - Bear is dead, but you DID know that, right????  dixiegrrrrl   Mar-28-11 07:54 AM   #35 
     - Bear Bryant IS Alabama football! Always, present tense included.  leveymg   Mar-28-11 07:57 AM   #39 
  - You're very right (no pun intended)  Stinky The Clown   Mar-28-11 07:14 AM   #10 
  - I haven't noticed a right-wing veer, since I have not been here that long...  ellenrr   Mar-28-11 07:15 AM   #11 
  - I don' t know if it is the site or me but years back it seemed liked  KurtNYC   Mar-28-11 07:35 AM   #25 
  - exactly... Maybe it is that these people watch too much tv  ellenrr   Mar-28-11 07:49 AM   #30 
  - I agree with you  lukasahero   Mar-28-11 08:17 AM   #50 
  - I come here less often, but I still come to take a look at the articles and news that is being poste  ellenrr   Mar-28-11 08:39 AM   #62 
  - You've been here a month. Holy shit.  Fuzz   Mar-28-11 10:18 AM   #99 
  - I would enjoy a feature here that lets you block posts that have the  KurtNYC   Mar-28-11 08:43 AM   # 
  - I actually saw a post not long ago attacking  intheflow   Mar-28-11 10:05 AM   #95 
  - track their posts and if they don't live up to some level of expectation - "get rid of them"  DrDan   Mar-28-11 07:41 AM   #27 
  - I guess this is an example of sarcasm posing as wisdom  ellenrr   Mar-28-11 07:47 AM   #29 
     - I don't remember reading that in the site rules . .. "no sarcastic stupid posts allowed"  DrDan   Mar-28-11 07:53 AM   #32 
     - What's your problem?  lukasahero   Mar-28-11 08:20 AM   #51 
     - I don't this this site is about censorship - we have features that  DrDan   Mar-28-11 08:32 AM   #57 
     - yes I wish there were such a rule. I don't expect it, it would entail a lot of work  ellenrr   Mar-28-11 08:28 AM   #55 
     - Examination  RegieRocker   Mar-28-11 08:38 AM   #61 
  - +1...Ban those who by your criteria have "nothing to say"  Marengo   Mar-28-11 10:51 AM   #120 
  - IIRC that is the sort of thing done on Free Republic  Donnachaidh   Mar-28-11 10:53 AM   #123 
  - Define "right wing"?  Spider Jerusalem   Mar-28-11 07:16 AM   #12 
  - DU has become more polarized, not more right-wing...  SidDithers   Mar-28-11 07:16 AM   #13 
  - +1 - and brussel sprouts rock  pintobean   Mar-28-11 08:24 AM   #53 
  - DU HAS become more right wing.  ThomCat   Mar-28-11 10:20 AM   #100 
     - And they're balanced by a fairly large portion of posters here...  SidDithers   Mar-28-11 10:35 AM   #114 
        - I see your point, but you are only partially right.  ThomCat   Mar-28-11 11:29 AM   #151 
  - Personality vs. Policy n/t  demmiblue   Mar-28-11 07:17 AM   #14 
  - I don't agree. There have been RW moles and sock puppets as long as I've been here.  Atman   Mar-28-11 07:24 AM   #15 
  - I ask the same question, through for a different reason. It seems that ever since Bush left office,  BzaDem   Mar-28-11 07:27 AM   #17 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Mar-28-11 07:28 AM   #18 
  - thanks for that  Syrinx   Mar-28-11 07:31 AM   #21 
     - No, I live in Fly, Tennessee.  Fly by night   Mar-28-11 09:27 AM   #79 
  - Seriously. How many "Here are my thinly veiled republican talking points" posts must we endure?  JVS   Mar-28-11 07:30 AM   #19 
  - As Obama has lurched ever rightward,  QC   Mar-28-11 07:34 AM   #23 
  - +1 n/t  intheflow   Mar-28-11 10:09 AM   #96 
  - Yes. Well said.  ThomCat   Mar-28-11 11:57 AM   #162 
  - The party itself is continuously creeping to the right  Pab Sungenis   Mar-28-11 07:35 AM   #24 
  - "And why he's likely to lose to a frothing-right Republican in 2012,"  pnorman   Mar-28-11 07:56 AM   #37 
  - Any of them but Palin.  Pab Sungenis   Mar-28-11 08:14 AM   #48 
  - Are there any upcoming candidates on the right who don't  ThomCat   Mar-28-11 11:58 AM   #163 
  - +1,000  LWolf   Mar-28-11 08:23 AM   #52 
  - Amen  proud2BlibKansan   Mar-28-11 10:22 AM   #101 
  - i agree. the other day a bunch of posters were talking about what  Hannah Bell   Mar-28-11 07:36 AM   #26 
  - She could have walked into any hedge fund based upon who her father is  Nye Bevan   Mar-28-11 08:10 AM   #45 
  - She is doing more damage pushing educational privatization  senseandsensibility   Mar-28-11 10:46 AM   #119 
  - That was a trip  proud2BlibKansan   Mar-28-11 10:26 AM   #104 
  - While Chelsea got her hedge fund job on talent and merit alone? nt  hack89   Mar-28-11 11:29 AM   #149 
  - There used to be more voices on the Left  MannyGoldstein   Mar-28-11 07:44 AM   #28 
  - why? n/t  ellenrr   Mar-28-11 07:50 AM   #31 
  - Word, Manny. n/t  Mnemosyne   Mar-28-11 07:54 AM   #34 
  - Guess they broke some rules.  Ikonoklast   Mar-28-11 08:12 AM   #46 
  - Quite true.  Dappleganger   Mar-28-11 09:10 AM   #74 
  - "Many are unable to post anymore" using their original names...nt  SidDithers   Mar-28-11 09:31 AM   #81 
  - That's a fact Jack, foiled by the 'purity' squads!!!  DainBramaged   Mar-28-11 12:23 PM   #170 
  - I would argue that the left is still here, but now there's a cadre....  Scuba   Mar-28-11 07:53 AM   #33 
  - Great platform  BeFree   Mar-28-11 08:43 AM   #67 
  - But I'm not the only one. n/t  Scuba   Mar-28-11 09:23 AM   #78 
  - Vote Scuba 2012.  intheflow   Mar-28-11 10:13 AM   #97 
  - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Mar-28-11 07:56 AM   #36 
  - The DU is a "social organism" and like all organisms, it oscillates  ladjf   Mar-28-11 07:57 AM   #38 
  - Well said. Thanks.  Scuba   Mar-28-11 08:38 AM   #60 
  - HUGE KNR! n/t  indimuse   Mar-28-11 07:58 AM   #40 
  - Simple economics.  TheCowsCameHome   Mar-28-11 08:00 AM   #42 
  - Recommend!  OmmmSweetOmmm   Mar-28-11 08:04 AM   #43 
  - sane old tune.  cali   Mar-28-11 08:12 AM   #47 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Mar-28-11 08:24 AM   #54 
  - "Hide thread" and "Ignore" are your friends.  Nye Bevan   Mar-28-11 08:31 AM   #56 
  - Good post  malaise   Mar-28-11 08:33 AM   #58 
  - What has happened is, you've lost tolerance for disagreement. DU becomes your place for validation  KittyWampus   Mar-28-11 08:35 AM   #59 
  - So very true. A ray of sunshine in this dark and becoming darker world.  RegieRocker   Mar-28-11 08:41 AM   #63 
  - Wow. That's very, very well-put.  Codeine   Mar-28-11 09:43 AM   #85 
  - Sums it up nicely. Well done. nt  blondeatlast   Mar-28-11 09:47 AM   #87 
  - Excellent post. Spot on. n/t  tammywammy   Mar-28-11 10:01 AM   #92 
  - Um, this is democratic UNDERGROUND? Not republican lite mainstream.  Zorra   Mar-28-11 11:01 AM   #130 
     - Maybe it's DEMOCRATIC underground...  SidDithers   Mar-28-11 11:06 AM   #134 
        - Great point. Either way, it should mean the same thing in practice.  Zorra   Mar-28-11 11:41 AM   #157 
  - Yes, well a lot of people's main concern is whether or not you want a pony  CreekDog   Mar-28-11 08:41 AM   #64 
  - DU's "big tent" grew larger...  Dappleganger   Mar-28-11 09:15 AM   #76 
  - I too think it's distinctly more conservative than when I joined some years ago.  snot   Mar-28-11 09:28 AM   #80 
  - I would say it has gotten much, much, much more left-leaning  Godhumor   Mar-28-11 09:42 AM   #84 
     - I don't see that at all.  intheflow   Mar-28-11 10:23 AM   #102 
        - And the first word is democratic, as in the party  Godhumor   Mar-28-11 10:28 AM   #106 
           - I think a lot of DUers have identified as independent, socialist, green, etc.  intheflow   Mar-28-11 10:32 AM   #110 
  - OP, what do you feel is "the right" and what is "the left"? I KNOW my opinions  old mark   Mar-28-11 09:36 AM   #82 
  - 2001  BeFree   Mar-28-11 09:50 AM   # 
  - The right has moved so far right that what is considered 'left' used to be middle of the road if not  Fuzz   Mar-28-11 09:50 AM   #89 
  - You're right. The political spectrum has moved so far to the right  ThomCat   Mar-28-11 10:55 AM   #126 
  - All quite true, you're right.  Dappleganger   Mar-28-11 11:15 AM   #140 
  - Is  ProSense   Mar-28-11 10:01 AM   #93 
  - "Does his opinions have a place here?"  intheflow   Mar-28-11 10:25 AM   #103 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Mar-28-11 10:17 AM   #98 
  - On the same page...  Javaman   Mar-28-11 10:27 AM   #105 
  - Very, very true.  intheflow   Mar-28-11 10:33 AM   #112 
  - LOL  NeedleCast   Mar-28-11 10:31 AM   #108 
  - Amen a thousand times over n/t  Godhumor   Mar-28-11 10:32 AM   #111 
  - "All we are saying, is give War a chance"  Baclava   Mar-28-11 10:34 AM   #113 
  - The Neo-liberals / "New Democrats" have co-opted the DU forum  PufPuf23   Mar-28-11 10:37 AM   #115 
  - Show me a for instance.  The Backlash Cometh   Mar-28-11 10:41 AM   #116 
  - Huh? You want to return to an environment in which people's motives are suspected  Marengo   Mar-28-11 10:44 AM   #117 
  - This site has been infiltrated to stir up trouble in the democratic base. Not working.  Pisces   Mar-28-11 10:57 AM   #128 
  - We aren't the Democratic base  Recursion   Mar-28-11 11:27 AM   #147 
  - Agreed.  Xenotime   Mar-28-11 11:38 AM   #156 
  - ITA. nt  mfcorey1   Mar-28-11 11:41 AM   #158 
  - Nailed it.  Bobbie Jo   Mar-28-11 12:22 PM   #169 
  - Well, we acquired many, many more members since then  Cleita   Mar-28-11 11:29 AM   #150 
  - Still crazy after all these years  DainBramaged   Mar-28-11 11:36 AM   #155 
  - Yeah... we have conservo's here  fascisthunter   Mar-28-11 12:12 PM   #165 
  - If you look through the archives (can't find much pre-2003)  SoCalDem   Mar-28-11 12:13 PM   #166 
  - We feel this is divisive and generally unproductive.  pinto   Mar-28-11 12:26 PM   #171 
 

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