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111. What is taking place is as old as Democracy.
Some 2300 years ago Aristotle in his work "Politics" observed that a Democracy's greatest threat was their evolution into an Oligarchy as wealth is concentrated into the hands of fewer and fewer citizens. As he observed a Democracy can only exist in a society with a large Middle Class of relatively prosperous citizens.

One simple fact can attest to this being exactly what has become of our Republic in that 400 of the wealthiest families have more wealth than the bottom 50% of Americans. The total assists of some 175,000,000 Americans, their homes, cars, savings and investments, is matched by only 400 the most wealthy families. The bottom 50% only have 2.5% of the total wealth in comparison to the top 10% who have over 70% of the wealth. These facts are according to studies based on 2007 data and economists estimate that it has dramatically worsen in the last three years as million of working class citizens have lost their most important asset, their homes. Nor are the working class folks going realize any improvement as the Stock Market recovers since the bottom 50% only have 0.5% of the investments in stocks, bonds and mutuals while the top 10% own over 90% of these basic investments. In fact millions of working class citizens have been forced to divest their saving and investments just to survive further concentrating the wealth.

When I see Republican working class people staunchly defending the Republican Party whose leadership is intent on their economic destruction and virtual slavery I can only shake my head in disbelief. They are their own worst enemy. I can only suppose that our society will have to go through a traumatic cycle in which the working class finally come to their senses when they have been been reduced to absolute poverty and the once again demand a fair share of the wealth that they produce.

Why is it that Democrats haven't made this a key issue? Perhaps I could suggest that very few elected Democrats actually share the misery that the working class is suffering. The working class doesn't have any forceful champions for their cause and the few voices that they do have have been drowned out by the radical right-wing propagandists who spew the corporate line.
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  -We are entering the "you can't touch me you poor fuckers" phase of capitalism salinen  Mar-26-11 10:41 AM   #0 
  - With all due respect to the founding fathers  madokie   Mar-26-11 10:44 AM   #1 
  - as a door nail  salinen   Mar-26-11 10:58 AM   #5 
     - As much as I hate to think it  madokie   Mar-26-11 05:50 PM   #32 
  - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Mar-26-11 10:46 AM   #2 
  - Well, this strain of democracy, at any rate. The social strain of it seems to be working...  ClassWarrior   Mar-26-11 10:46 AM   #3 
  - And that is encouraging  salinen   Mar-26-11 10:50 AM   #4 
     - Which means that we have a responsibility to strongly warn them of corporatism.  bobbolink   Mar-26-11 02:10 PM   #25 
  - A side effect of the collapse of Communism.  wurzel   Mar-26-11 10:59 AM   #6 
  - RU kidding? Capitalists LOVE communism.  MedicalAdmin   Mar-26-11 08:00 PM   #42 
  - china is communist? who knew.  Hannah Bell   Mar-27-11 02:01 AM   #69 
  - The large pools of slave labor drew capitalists like flies to shit.  MedicalAdmin   Mar-27-11 10:57 AM   #113 
  - China is not an example of communism.  Enthusiast   Mar-27-11 09:23 AM   #96 
     - It isn't? Thats news to Mao  MedicalAdmin   Mar-27-11 10:53 AM   #112 
        - Mao is dead and so is Chinese communism. nt  Enthusiast   Mar-27-11 12:17 PM   #115 
           - Joke - whoosh.  MedicalAdmin   Mar-27-11 07:49 PM   #121 
  - I agree completely.  Marr   Mar-27-11 12:25 AM   #63 
  - Bush proved it. Start war, torture, murder, loot country. Go home and enjoy retirement.  bullimiami   Mar-26-11 11:02 AM   #7 
  - Bush sealed it  salinen   Mar-26-11 11:22 AM   #8 
     - There is no lower class than Bush  MissDeeds   Mar-26-11 08:45 PM   #51 
        - PLUS ONE! nt  Enthusiast   Mar-27-11 09:24 AM   #97 
  - "Headed"?  sendero   Mar-26-11 11:25 AM   #9 
  - Yes  salinen   Mar-26-11 11:46 AM   #11 
  - we get slapped in the face with it all the time  notesdev   Mar-27-11 02:11 AM   #70 
  - I think the banksters  dotymed   Mar-27-11 08:29 AM   #91 
  - And how are they carrying this off?  Enthusiast   Mar-27-11 09:27 AM   #98 
  - I have to believe that decline  felix_numinous   Mar-26-11 11:44 AM   #10 
  - How is it that the GOP voting computers aren't a concern for the Democratic Party???  defendandprotect   Mar-26-11 12:23 PM   #15 
  - Because they give predictable results  Taverner   Mar-26-11 08:38 PM   #49 
  - Yep  kimsarah   Mar-27-11 01:16 AM   #67 
  - You are really hung up on the cheating computer thing.  bluestate10   Mar-27-11 07:38 AM   #78 
  - She only argues with you because  Enthusiast   Mar-27-11 09:36 AM   #103 
  - THAT is a damned good question.  Enthusiast   Mar-27-11 09:29 AM   #100 
  - I also think that oil depletion and climate change will work for the  jwirr   Mar-26-11 12:48 PM   #17 
  - Great angle, and how ironic. And probably true.  Duer 157099   Mar-26-11 02:14 PM   #28 
  - Then we should start organizing them . . .  janet118   Mar-26-11 11:08 PM   #58 
  - Exactly. Build strong local enterprises, shut out profit only minded big companies. nt  bluestate10   Mar-27-11 07:42 AM   #81 
  - "If propaganda were interrupted. " We thought we could do that with the Internet but they caught on  cyberpj   Mar-26-11 05:57 PM   #33 
     - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Mar-27-11 07:07 AM   #74 
     - SO TRUE  HowHasItComeToThis   Mar-27-11 09:01 AM   #94 
     - True, we could benefit studying South America  felix_numinous   Mar-27-11 03:50 PM   #117 
  - The only change is in the facade  blindpig   Mar-26-11 12:04 PM   #12 
  - +1000 one of best succinct replies I have read on here in my time around these regions  stockholmer   Mar-26-11 07:17 PM   #39 
  - You go to the head of the class.  Scruffy1   Mar-26-11 08:42 PM   #50 
  - That's one crazy SOB...  blindpig   Mar-28-11 06:55 AM   #122 
  - this is worthy of its own thread  Blecht   Mar-27-11 08:07 AM   #87 
  - No the direction we're headed in is economic terrorism.  Initech   Mar-26-11 12:10 PM   #13 
  - A rose is a rose  salinen   Mar-26-11 02:07 PM   #22 
  - +1  MrMickeysMom   Mar-27-11 09:38 AM   #104 
  - Truly OUTLAW government -- government by organized crime 'n organized criminals ....  defendandprotect   Mar-26-11 12:21 PM   #14 
  - Is this our "Let them eat cake" moment?  Zorra   Mar-26-11 12:26 PM   #16 
  - We already had that. It was the Tyco/Enron/Adelphia era.  Initech   Mar-26-11 08:10 PM   #46 
  - We need to prove them wrong on that.  Jester Messiah   Mar-26-11 12:49 PM   #18 
  - That's  salinen   Mar-26-11 02:08 PM   #23 
  - huge barrier to overcome is your 2 party-dominated false paradigm, the systemic controllers just...  stockholmer   Mar-26-11 08:33 PM   #48 
     - +1  Le Taz Hot   Mar-27-11 07:39 AM   #79 
     - Lots of charges, no solutions. Typical.  bluestate10   Mar-27-11 07:56 AM   #84 
     - Multi-Party politics would be great for America.  dotymed   Mar-27-11 09:35 AM   #101 
     - Multi-Party politics would be great for America  tonybgood   Mar-27-11 11:04 AM   #114 
     - We are being played.  Enthusiast   Mar-27-11 09:40 AM   #105 
  - It may be the onlyway to restore democracy. nt  Ilsa   Mar-26-11 06:03 PM   #34 
  - I'm all for seeing the Fear of God put into them.  Buns_of_Fire   Mar-26-11 08:02 PM   #43 
  - You describe the end game for the rich. The Kochs and their like  bluestate10   Mar-27-11 08:03 AM   #86 
  - Google this phrase. Operation hammer of god.  MedicalAdmin   Mar-26-11 08:05 PM   #45 
  - all I found-video games, Maccabees,neo-Nazi, pro-life rant, and sci-fi book about redireted asteroid  stockholmer   Mar-27-11 05:14 PM   #118 
     - Here's a link.  MedicalAdmin   Mar-27-11 07:36 PM   #120 
  - I agree. Boycott their products, buy alternatives that reflect our values.  bluestate10   Mar-27-11 07:47 AM   #82 
  - Wish I knew how. n/t  leeroysphitz   Mar-27-11 08:15 AM   #88 
  - How?  dotymed   Mar-27-11 08:56 AM   #92 
  - 200, not 250.  chaska   Mar-26-11 12:58 PM   #19 
  - 1776 to 2011  salinen   Mar-26-11 02:09 PM   #24 
     - Yes.  think4yourself   Mar-26-11 07:27 PM   #40 
  - Actually we CAN touch them.  HughBeaumont   Mar-26-11 01:24 PM   #20 
  - Well the right would say 2nd amendment.....  Historic NY   Mar-26-11 06:58 PM   #37 
  - The solution is to figure out products that people like the Kochs sell and  bluestate10   Mar-27-11 08:16 AM   #89 
     - I wish it was but today is not 20 or 30 years ago.  TheKentuckian   Mar-27-11 10:06 AM   #108 
  - They've always been like this.  Starry Messenger   Mar-26-11 01:29 PM   #21 
  - exactly  salinen   Mar-26-11 02:11 PM   #26 
  - As a matter of fact, yes- the Americans did indeed think they were "special."  BeHereNow   Mar-26-11 06:50 PM   #36 
     - You just made me think of the book "The Ugly American". That is  jwirr   Mar-27-11 12:16 AM   #61 
  - It's been the playbook for thousands of years. Consider these folks:  gtar100   Mar-27-11 05:43 AM   #73 
     - But, whatever their means of control, the fact is  dotymed   Mar-27-11 10:22 AM   #110 
  - we can stand against it...  Snoutport   Mar-26-11 02:12 PM   #27 
  - The wrong people are behind bars too--  felix_numinous   Mar-26-11 02:42 PM   #29 
  - Great post. Right on.  DRex   Mar-26-11 08:04 PM   #44 
  - That's just a phase? Pretty much that sums up capitalism as a whole imo.  TBF   Mar-26-11 02:53 PM   #30 
  - Agree. This is just the nature of the beast...  socialist_n_TN   Mar-26-11 08:48 PM   #52 
     - But which beast? Capitalism or Democracy? It is hard to separate  jwirr   Mar-27-11 12:21 AM   #62 
        - Capitalism is the beast - it is an unjust system by definition.  TBF   Mar-27-11 07:12 AM   #75 
  - Bill Mahr described it as such:  walldude   Mar-26-11 03:02 PM   #31 
  - I think you're right...  Locrian   Mar-26-11 06:29 PM   #35 
  - K&R btw...  BeHereNow   Mar-26-11 07:00 PM   #38 
  - With all due respect to the OP  MedicalAdmin   Mar-26-11 07:58 PM   #41 
  - We act like we have no power  adigal   Mar-26-11 08:13 PM   #47 
  - agreed, this is such an important part  Sevenfold   Mar-26-11 10:40 PM   #57 
  - I fear it's too late for all that  ArcticFox   Mar-27-11 01:58 AM   #68 
     - They don't quite own everything yet.....  fasttense   Mar-27-11 05:31 AM   #72 
        - Cooperatism instead of Corporatism, Localism instead of Globalism = How to be US instead of THEM.  Kip Humphrey   Mar-27-11 07:47 AM   #83 
  - K&R to 107  StarsInHerHair   Mar-26-11 08:56 PM   #53 
  - "entering?" LOL  liberation   Mar-26-11 08:56 PM   #54 
  - People who were in the middle of the pyramid  MedleyMisty   Mar-26-11 09:23 PM   #56 
     - Exactly.  liberation   Mar-27-11 01:15 AM   #66 
  - You are absolutely right; in fact we are already there in my humble opinion.  joentokyo   Mar-26-11 09:17 PM   #55 
  - I just finished watching "Inside Job". As if I don't have enough to be angry about...  truth2power   Mar-26-11 11:09 PM   #59 
  - There will be no more  Enthusiast   Mar-27-11 09:54 AM   #107 
  - Don't worry. In December of next year, 2012, the world will end. That'll teach'em.  Kablooie   Mar-26-11 11:23 PM   #60 
  - It is kinda my "Plan B"...  Riley18   Mar-27-11 07:36 AM   #77 
  - Look, we've been through robber barons and worse. We will put them in their place, again.  grahamhgreen   Mar-27-11 12:43 AM   #64 
  - these systemic controllers ARE the same Robber Baron families, along w/ their global banking masters  stockholmer   Mar-27-11 05:32 PM   #119 
  - A few bullets fired high in the air will bring any man down to earth.  tcaudilllg   Mar-27-11 01:14 AM   #65 
  - I throughly enjoyed reading this thread  proud patriot   Mar-27-11 04:05 AM   #71 
  - I doubt it. But if we have entered that phase, it is the end game for the rich,  bluestate10   Mar-27-11 07:18 AM   #76 
  - Very well said. Nt  Chalco   Mar-27-11 07:40 AM   #80 
  - A "bagger" sent me a vid comparing them with rebels in the Revolutionary  brewens   Mar-27-11 07:58 AM   #85 
  - IMO, that is not the direction we are headed,  dotymed   Mar-27-11 08:18 AM   #90 
  - Fascism is here today, the barbarians OWN the gates!  workinclasszero   Mar-27-11 09:01 AM   #93 
  - The main problem for us,  Enthusiast   Mar-27-11 09:22 AM   #95 
  - Economic Royalists  Canuckistanian   Mar-27-11 09:28 AM   #99 
  - WOW  IGoToDU   Mar-27-11 09:36 AM   #102 
  - There are more of us than there are than them.  YellowRubberDuckie   Mar-27-11 09:42 AM   #106 
  - Yep... K & R !!!  WillyT   Mar-27-11 10:13 AM   #109 
  - What is taking place is as old as Democracy.  olegramps   Mar-27-11 10:23 AM   #111 
  - Next Phase Guillotine Time  TNLib   Mar-27-11 12:47 PM   #116 

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