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fittosurvive Donating Member (538 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-11 05:13 PM
Response to Reply #77
90. It is an important question and it has not been answered.
Perhaps I could be persuaded that this merits the sacrifice of American lives and resources. However, that would require a rational contemplation and debate of issue by my elected representatives.

I will never be convinced by an anonymous and unaccountable council of unknown morals and principles.
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  -Is the war in Libya legal? originalpckelly  Mar-25-11 02:38 PM   #0 
  - why such obvious negative bias for choice #4? unrec'd just for that.  inna   Mar-25-11 02:40 PM   #1 
  - I called for it to happen, applaud it, and consider it legal.  damntexdem   Mar-25-11 02:48 PM   #9 
  - I am only guessing here, but I think option #4 is for pacifists. nt  ZombieHorde   Mar-25-11 02:52 PM   #13 
  - Not for us. Only Congress should declare war  Cleita   Mar-25-11 02:41 PM   #2 
  - On the other hand, the part of the legislative branch that ratifies treaties...  originalpckelly   Mar-25-11 02:44 PM   #6 
  - Wow! A bit perturbed aren't you?  Cleita   Mar-25-11 03:00 PM   #16 
  - nor did the Senate need to pass a resolution calling for a no fly zone over Libya  Motown_Johnny   Mar-25-11 03:33 PM   #27 
  - Ratification of the UN treaty did not alter the enumerated powers of the legislature.  fittosurvive   Mar-25-11 04:07 PM   #37 
     - Where have you been the 50+ years the UN has been around?  originalpckelly   Mar-25-11 04:10 PM   #41 
        - Legitimate...?  fittosurvive   Mar-25-11 04:29 PM   #49 
           - Those founding principles included considering black dudes 3/5 of whites.  originalpckelly   Mar-25-11 04:32 PM   #52 
              - That was not a founding principle. This IS the founding principle.  fittosurvive   Mar-25-11 04:36 PM   #55 
                 - "all men are created equal" And what about women?  originalpckelly   Mar-25-11 04:41 PM   #60 
                    - You will have to forgive the framers for not agonizing over questions of  fittosurvive   Mar-25-11 05:05 PM   #82 
                    - Oh, so sorry. So that's why women couldn't vote?  originalpckelly   Mar-25-11 05:09 PM   #87 
                    - They didn't consider slaves or women people. Only white men. n/t  Tx4obama   Mar-25-11 05:19 PM   #96 
                       - ...and your point is...?  fittosurvive   Mar-25-11 05:29 PM   #108 
                          - 1. These are not the kind of people we should idolize.  originalpckelly   Mar-25-11 05:42 PM   #117 
                             - I don't idolize or follow men, I follow ideas. Having said that, as a political group,  fittosurvive   Mar-25-11 06:14 PM   #129 
                             - So you seem to be ok with Bush's notion that the Constitution is only  TorchTheWitch   Mar-25-11 07:08 PM   #138 
                                - You are not interested in the rule of law.  originalpckelly   Mar-25-11 08:07 PM   #140 
  - Obama has 45 days to get Congress to declare war  walldude   Mar-25-11 02:48 PM   #8 
     - where did you get that from?  Motown_Johnny   Mar-25-11 03:31 PM   #26 
     - And where does it say that in the US Constitution?  originalpckelly   Mar-25-11 03:53 PM   #33 
  - Was Libya a threat to the international peace on March 16, 2011?  MrCoffee   Mar-25-11 02:42 PM   #3 
  - x2  Lucinda   Mar-25-11 04:22 PM   #47 
  - I'll go ahead and Rec it then.  Quantess   Mar-25-11 02:42 PM   #4 
  - When the US is in volved it's legal...........  BlueJac   Mar-25-11 02:43 PM   #5 
  - Depends on who you ask  The2ndWheel   Mar-25-11 02:46 PM   #7 
  - Has any war we been in the last 60 plus years been legal? n/t  doc03   Mar-25-11 02:48 PM   #10 
  - No  Cali_Democrat   Mar-25-11 02:49 PM   #11 
  - How is it illegal?  originalpckelly   Mar-25-11 02:50 PM   #12 
     - How would you characterize the situation in Libya prior to UN S/Res 1973?  MrCoffee   Mar-25-11 02:53 PM   #14 
        - I'LL *risk* a Rwanda '2'.  Amonester   Mar-25-11 03:16 PM   #19 
           - It was a genocide?  MrCoffee   Mar-25-11 03:20 PM   #21 
              - Go ahead, put a tag on human beings.  Amonester   Mar-25-11 03:26 PM   #22 
              - Well, ok then  MrCoffee   Mar-25-11 03:28 PM   #23 
              - another question?  Amonester   Mar-25-11 03:30 PM   #25 
              - And by the way, comparing Libya to Rwanda seriously devalues the hundreds of thousands who died  MrCoffee   Mar-25-11 03:29 PM   #24 
                 - So what you're saying is like, well, thousands died there, so what?  Amonester   Mar-25-11 06:30 PM   #134 
              - It was not a genocide, it would have been and was becoming quickly a MASSACRE!  originalpckelly   Mar-25-11 03:56 PM   #34 
                 - There is a defined legal framework under which the Security Council can invoke Chapter VII  MrCoffee   Mar-25-11 04:18 PM   #45 
  - Now we love war!  BlueJac   Mar-25-11 02:59 PM   #15 
  - Didn't you hear?  moparlunatic   Mar-25-11 03:09 PM   #17 
  - we love saving innocent lives !  Motown_Johnny   Mar-25-11 03:33 PM   #28 
     - No, we don't  MrCoffee   Mar-25-11 03:42 PM   #30 
  - Other: Doesn't matter -- we're there, and if it turns out to be illegal, nothing will  gateley   Mar-25-11 03:11 PM   #18 
  - Here's a link to a great discussion by legal experts  Tx4obama   Mar-25-11 04:51 PM   #71 
     - Thanks! nt  gateley   Mar-25-11 05:08 PM   #86 
  - No. But it will be when Gadhaffi invades Poland.  Tierra_y_Libertad   Mar-25-11 03:19 PM   #20 
  - why not ask people to read the War Powers Act before answering?  Motown_Johnny   Mar-25-11 03:37 PM   #29 
  - War Powers Act has nothing to do with it  MrCoffee   Mar-25-11 03:42 PM   #31 
  - And where in the US Constitution does it give the President the power to do this?  originalpckelly   Mar-25-11 04:06 PM   #36 
     - The only court the Constitution authorizes is the Supreme Court  MrCoffee   Mar-25-11 04:10 PM   #42 
        - It's called the War Power Resolution, and it's bad idea to delegate like that.  originalpckelly   Mar-25-11 04:12 PM   #43 
        - Whether it is a good or bad idea is irrelevant, it is a Constitutional delegation  MrCoffee   Mar-25-11 04:15 PM   #44 
           - And where does it say in the US Constitution that the Congress may delegate its powers?  originalpckelly   Mar-25-11 04:19 PM   #46 
              - SCOTUS decided that  MrCoffee   Mar-25-11 04:22 PM   #48 
                 - And where does the SCOTUS get off doing that?  originalpckelly   Mar-25-11 04:30 PM   #50 
                    - SCOTUS consistently holds delegation and separation of powers...well, separate  MrCoffee   Mar-25-11 04:34 PM   #54 
                    - As far as SCOTUS having the power to approve of delegation...they just flat out stole that one  MrCoffee   Mar-25-11 04:38 PM   #57 
        - What in the world are you talking about?  Xithras   Mar-25-11 05:20 PM   #97 
           - Precisely.  originalpckelly   Mar-25-11 05:26 PM   #103 
           - You are correct, of course. I misspoke.  MrCoffee   Mar-25-11 05:30 PM   #109 
  - as legal as bushes wars are. nt  wildbilln864   Mar-25-11 03:43 PM   #32 
  - Rather have the UN authorizing military action than the US congress which rarely say "NO".  pampango   Mar-25-11 04:03 PM   #35 
  - I couldn't agree more.  originalpckelly   Mar-25-11 04:08 PM   #38 
  - Either way, it is immoral and unjust.  David__77   Mar-25-11 04:09 PM   #39 
  - Maybe another major crisis will bring the world's people in line?  sad sally   Mar-25-11 04:30 PM   #51 
     - Ugh Rockefeller.  David__77   Mar-25-11 04:36 PM   #56 
  - its invasion and WWIII  lovuian   Mar-25-11 04:09 PM   #40 
  - The UN's no-fly zone is legal.  Tx4obama   Mar-25-11 04:33 PM   #53 
  - So The UN Snaps Its FIngers, and the US Jumps?  zorahopkins   Mar-25-11 04:40 PM   #58 
  - I think it's the other way around. The U.S. Senate requested the NFZ and the UN jumped. n/t  Tx4obama   Mar-25-11 04:41 PM   #61 
     - So The UN Really Is A US Puppet?  zorahopkins   Mar-25-11 04:45 PM   #64 
        - The protesters in Libya requested the UN to impose the NFZ first. n/t  Tx4obama   Mar-25-11 04:46 PM   #67 
           - Ooops, don't tell them the truth.  originalpckelly   Mar-25-11 04:47 PM   #68 
           - So We Are Engaged In An Illegal War Because  zorahopkins   Mar-25-11 04:49 PM   #70 
              - Protester council asked for help before Senate passed resolution...  originalpckelly   Mar-25-11 04:53 PM   #73 
              - Russia And China Are Part of The UN  zorahopkins   Mar-25-11 04:57 PM   #76 
                 - All of the countries you cite have terrible human rights records for their own people...  originalpckelly   Mar-25-11 05:08 PM   #85 
                 - And The US Has A Wonderful Human RIghts Record?  zorahopkins   Mar-25-11 05:17 PM   #95 
                    - Yeah, we summarily execute people for adultery, disappear journalists...  originalpckelly   Mar-25-11 05:24 PM   #100 
                    - +1,000,000,000  N_E_1 for Tennis   Mar-25-11 05:45 PM   #119 
                 - The US surely could have told the UN that, but didn't.  Amonester   Mar-25-11 06:01 PM   #126 
              - The UN is emposing the NFZ because ....  Tx4obama   Mar-25-11 04:57 PM   #75 
                 - So The US Really Wanted War?  zorahopkins   Mar-25-11 05:02 PM   #79 
                    - Don't be ridiculous...  Tx4obama   Mar-25-11 05:05 PM   #81 
                    - No One Wants War?  zorahopkins   Mar-25-11 05:11 PM   #89 
                    - So ,you would just let the people of Benghazi die.  Tx4obama   Mar-25-11 05:13 PM   #91 
                       - The US Is NOT The World's Policeman  zorahopkins   Mar-25-11 05:22 PM   #98 
                          - No matter how much you'd like to see those other things done....  Tx4obama   Mar-25-11 05:26 PM   #104 
                          - You did not answer the question.  Tx4obama   Mar-25-11 05:28 PM   #106 
                             - How Many People Would You Have Let Saddam Kill?  zorahopkins   Mar-25-11 05:33 PM   #111 
                    - What about Darfur?  N_E_1 for Tennis   Mar-25-11 06:02 PM   #127 
                    - So, you wanted Gaddafi to go into Benghazi and massacre the people of Benghazi?  Tx4obama   Mar-25-11 05:07 PM   #83 
                       - How Many Hungry American Children Do You Want To Starve?  zorahopkins   Mar-25-11 05:25 PM   #101 
                          - In turn, I'd say the same to you. The price of oil will rise because of such a conflicted nation...  originalpckelly   Mar-25-11 05:28 PM   #107 
                          - So It Is All About The Oil  zorahopkins   Mar-25-11 05:35 PM   #114 
                             - Do you drive a car?  originalpckelly   Mar-25-11 05:46 PM   #120 
                             - Going into Libya to protect the 670,000 people of Benghazi was NOT about oil.  Tx4obama   Mar-25-11 06:22 PM   #132 
                          - You did not answer my question. How many dead Benghazians are okay with you?  Tx4obama   Mar-25-11 05:39 PM   #115 
                             - I Like The People of Africa  zorahopkins   Mar-25-11 05:44 PM   #118 
                                - Have the people of Saudi Arabia asked the UN for intervention?  Tx4obama   Mar-25-11 05:49 PM   #122 
  - If someone launched a couple hundred cruise missiles into the United States  fittosurvive   Mar-25-11 04:40 PM   #59 
  - And what would you call it if our government slaughtered thousands of Americans...  originalpckelly   Mar-25-11 04:43 PM   #63 
  - I believe the last time that happened, the called it a civil war.  fittosurvive   Mar-25-11 04:46 PM   #66 
  - And then again, when you look at our "Revolution" it met the textbook defnition of civil war as well  originalpckelly   Mar-25-11 04:48 PM   #69 
     - Indeed, and the Tories are still the conservatives. But there is no longer  fittosurvive   Mar-25-11 04:55 PM   #74 
  - They are ..  N_E_1 for Tennis   Mar-25-11 06:12 PM   #128 
  - You are overlooking the fact that .....  Tx4obama   Mar-25-11 04:45 PM   #65 
     - Is the same UN that appointed Libya to the Human Rights Council?  fittosurvive   Mar-25-11 05:02 PM   #80 
  - Please answer this question (no one else will)  MrCoffee   Mar-25-11 04:42 PM   #62 
     - This would be the textbook situation of why the UN even exists.  originalpckelly   Mar-25-11 04:52 PM   #72 
        - But it is just about Libya  MrCoffee   Mar-25-11 04:59 PM   #77 
        - It is an important question and it has not been answered.  fittosurvive   Mar-25-11 05:13 PM   #90 
        - There is no way ever that the GOP will have a rational contemplation and debate.  Tx4obama   Mar-25-11 05:15 PM   #93 
           - Neither has this council of appointed and unaccountable gangsters.  fittosurvive   Mar-25-11 05:27 PM   #105 
        - The actions of Libya are in that context, there is no need to do anything in other nations, yet.  originalpckelly   Mar-25-11 05:17 PM   #94 
        - Yes, I agree.  Tx4obama   Mar-25-11 05:01 PM   #78 
           - You are arguing for preemptive war by the UN  MrCoffee   Mar-25-11 05:07 PM   #84 
              - It is not preemptive war. It is a NFZ that is being implemented to protect Libyans.  Tx4obama   Mar-25-11 05:09 PM   #88 
              - That sort of logic could lead one to believe that the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor  fittosurvive   Mar-25-11 05:35 PM   #113 
                 - This has come to a point where you have pushed it so far a FUCK YOU is in order.  originalpckelly   Mar-25-11 05:48 PM   #121 
                 - Actually, it was said with tongue planted firmly in cheek.  fittosurvive   Mar-25-11 06:20 PM   #131 
                 - You comment is almost too ridiculous to respond to.  Tx4obama   Mar-25-11 05:55 PM   #124 
              - A preemptive war is one where you are not responding to agressive actions.  originalpckelly   Mar-25-11 05:13 PM   #92 
                 - In that case, the answer to your original question is no.  MrCoffee   Mar-25-11 05:25 PM   #102 
  - War is wrong even when a piece of paper says it's fine. Please don't respond with sob stories. nt  Modern_Matthew   Mar-25-11 05:23 PM   #99 
  - It would be wrong to allow Gaddafi to massacre the men, women, and children in Benghazi.  Tx4obama   Mar-25-11 05:32 PM   #110 
     - You're reframing the question  MrCoffee   Mar-25-11 05:33 PM   #112 
     - That would depend on what sort of people they are.  fittosurvive   Mar-25-11 05:41 PM   #116 
        - "What sort of people they are",  N_E_1 for Tennis   Mar-25-11 06:29 PM   #133 
           - You should be more frightened by the nature of your undefined hierarchy of values.  fittosurvive   Mar-25-11 06:41 PM   #136 
              - Oh, please explain  N_E_1 for Tennis   Mar-25-11 07:08 PM   #137 
                 - The hierarchy of values which holds that Americans are not obligated to sacrifice  fittosurvive   Mar-25-11 08:04 PM   #139 
                    - Fear factor then,  N_E_1 for Tennis   Mar-25-11 08:35 PM   #141 
                       - I have no idea what it is that you are saying.  fittosurvive   Mar-26-11 07:56 AM   #142 
  - Dangerous Precedent  Runework   Mar-25-11 05:51 PM   #123 
  - Go do some homework  Tx4obama   Mar-25-11 06:00 PM   #125 
     - Go read more carefully  Runework   Mar-25-11 06:19 PM   #130 
  - I hate to say it but re Libya massacre, John McCain is getting the truth out on FoxNews  Tx4obama   Mar-25-11 06:39 PM   #135 
  - Other: It doesn't matter. Superpowers do what the hell they want anyway.  howard112211   Mar-26-11 08:00 AM   #143 
 

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