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Tx4obama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-11 04:45 PM
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65. You are overlooking the fact that .....
Gaddafi publicly said he was going to go into Benghazi and kill all the people there.

I don't recall any U.S. President ever saying he was going to go house to house and kill citizens.

The UN is not launching missiles to kill civilians, the missiles are aimed at and are taking out Gaddafi's air force and military bases.

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  -Is the war in Libya legal? originalpckelly  Mar-25-11 02:38 PM   #0 
  - why such obvious negative bias for choice #4? unrec'd just for that.  inna   Mar-25-11 02:40 PM   #1 
  - I called for it to happen, applaud it, and consider it legal.  damntexdem   Mar-25-11 02:48 PM   #9 
  - I am only guessing here, but I think option #4 is for pacifists. nt  ZombieHorde   Mar-25-11 02:52 PM   #13 
  - Not for us. Only Congress should declare war  Cleita   Mar-25-11 02:41 PM   #2 
  - On the other hand, the part of the legislative branch that ratifies treaties...  originalpckelly   Mar-25-11 02:44 PM   #6 
  - Wow! A bit perturbed aren't you?  Cleita   Mar-25-11 03:00 PM   #16 
  - nor did the Senate need to pass a resolution calling for a no fly zone over Libya  Motown_Johnny   Mar-25-11 03:33 PM   #27 
  - Ratification of the UN treaty did not alter the enumerated powers of the legislature.  fittosurvive   Mar-25-11 04:07 PM   #37 
     - Where have you been the 50+ years the UN has been around?  originalpckelly   Mar-25-11 04:10 PM   #41 
        - Legitimate...?  fittosurvive   Mar-25-11 04:29 PM   #49 
           - Those founding principles included considering black dudes 3/5 of whites.  originalpckelly   Mar-25-11 04:32 PM   #52 
              - That was not a founding principle. This IS the founding principle.  fittosurvive   Mar-25-11 04:36 PM   #55 
                 - "all men are created equal" And what about women?  originalpckelly   Mar-25-11 04:41 PM   #60 
                    - You will have to forgive the framers for not agonizing over questions of  fittosurvive   Mar-25-11 05:05 PM   #82 
                    - Oh, so sorry. So that's why women couldn't vote?  originalpckelly   Mar-25-11 05:09 PM   #87 
                    - They didn't consider slaves or women people. Only white men. n/t  Tx4obama   Mar-25-11 05:19 PM   #96 
                       - ...and your point is...?  fittosurvive   Mar-25-11 05:29 PM   #108 
                          - 1. These are not the kind of people we should idolize.  originalpckelly   Mar-25-11 05:42 PM   #117 
                             - I don't idolize or follow men, I follow ideas. Having said that, as a political group,  fittosurvive   Mar-25-11 06:14 PM   #129 
                             - So you seem to be ok with Bush's notion that the Constitution is only  TorchTheWitch   Mar-25-11 07:08 PM   #138 
                                - You are not interested in the rule of law.  originalpckelly   Mar-25-11 08:07 PM   #140 
  - Obama has 45 days to get Congress to declare war  walldude   Mar-25-11 02:48 PM   #8 
     - where did you get that from?  Motown_Johnny   Mar-25-11 03:31 PM   #26 
     - And where does it say that in the US Constitution?  originalpckelly   Mar-25-11 03:53 PM   #33 
  - Was Libya a threat to the international peace on March 16, 2011?  MrCoffee   Mar-25-11 02:42 PM   #3 
  - x2  Lucinda   Mar-25-11 04:22 PM   #47 
  - I'll go ahead and Rec it then.  Quantess   Mar-25-11 02:42 PM   #4 
  - When the US is in volved it's legal...........  BlueJac   Mar-25-11 02:43 PM   #5 
  - Depends on who you ask  The2ndWheel   Mar-25-11 02:46 PM   #7 
  - Has any war we been in the last 60 plus years been legal? n/t  doc03   Mar-25-11 02:48 PM   #10 
  - No  Cali_Democrat   Mar-25-11 02:49 PM   #11 
  - How is it illegal?  originalpckelly   Mar-25-11 02:50 PM   #12 
     - How would you characterize the situation in Libya prior to UN S/Res 1973?  MrCoffee   Mar-25-11 02:53 PM   #14 
        - I'LL *risk* a Rwanda '2'.  Amonester   Mar-25-11 03:16 PM   #19 
           - It was a genocide?  MrCoffee   Mar-25-11 03:20 PM   #21 
              - Go ahead, put a tag on human beings.  Amonester   Mar-25-11 03:26 PM   #22 
              - Well, ok then  MrCoffee   Mar-25-11 03:28 PM   #23 
              - another question?  Amonester   Mar-25-11 03:30 PM   #25 
              - And by the way, comparing Libya to Rwanda seriously devalues the hundreds of thousands who died  MrCoffee   Mar-25-11 03:29 PM   #24 
                 - So what you're saying is like, well, thousands died there, so what?  Amonester   Mar-25-11 06:30 PM   #134 
              - It was not a genocide, it would have been and was becoming quickly a MASSACRE!  originalpckelly   Mar-25-11 03:56 PM   #34 
                 - There is a defined legal framework under which the Security Council can invoke Chapter VII  MrCoffee   Mar-25-11 04:18 PM   #45 
  - Now we love war!  BlueJac   Mar-25-11 02:59 PM   #15 
  - Didn't you hear?  moparlunatic   Mar-25-11 03:09 PM   #17 
  - we love saving innocent lives !  Motown_Johnny   Mar-25-11 03:33 PM   #28 
     - No, we don't  MrCoffee   Mar-25-11 03:42 PM   #30 
  - Other: Doesn't matter -- we're there, and if it turns out to be illegal, nothing will  gateley   Mar-25-11 03:11 PM   #18 
  - Here's a link to a great discussion by legal experts  Tx4obama   Mar-25-11 04:51 PM   #71 
     - Thanks! nt  gateley   Mar-25-11 05:08 PM   #86 
  - No. But it will be when Gadhaffi invades Poland.  Tierra_y_Libertad   Mar-25-11 03:19 PM   #20 
  - why not ask people to read the War Powers Act before answering?  Motown_Johnny   Mar-25-11 03:37 PM   #29 
  - War Powers Act has nothing to do with it  MrCoffee   Mar-25-11 03:42 PM   #31 
  - And where in the US Constitution does it give the President the power to do this?  originalpckelly   Mar-25-11 04:06 PM   #36 
     - The only court the Constitution authorizes is the Supreme Court  MrCoffee   Mar-25-11 04:10 PM   #42 
        - It's called the War Power Resolution, and it's bad idea to delegate like that.  originalpckelly   Mar-25-11 04:12 PM   #43 
        - Whether it is a good or bad idea is irrelevant, it is a Constitutional delegation  MrCoffee   Mar-25-11 04:15 PM   #44 
           - And where does it say in the US Constitution that the Congress may delegate its powers?  originalpckelly   Mar-25-11 04:19 PM   #46 
              - SCOTUS decided that  MrCoffee   Mar-25-11 04:22 PM   #48 
                 - And where does the SCOTUS get off doing that?  originalpckelly   Mar-25-11 04:30 PM   #50 
                    - SCOTUS consistently holds delegation and separation of powers...well, separate  MrCoffee   Mar-25-11 04:34 PM   #54 
                    - As far as SCOTUS having the power to approve of delegation...they just flat out stole that one  MrCoffee   Mar-25-11 04:38 PM   #57 
        - What in the world are you talking about?  Xithras   Mar-25-11 05:20 PM   #97 
           - Precisely.  originalpckelly   Mar-25-11 05:26 PM   #103 
           - You are correct, of course. I misspoke.  MrCoffee   Mar-25-11 05:30 PM   #109 
  - as legal as bushes wars are. nt  wildbilln864   Mar-25-11 03:43 PM   #32 
  - Rather have the UN authorizing military action than the US congress which rarely say "NO".  pampango   Mar-25-11 04:03 PM   #35 
  - I couldn't agree more.  originalpckelly   Mar-25-11 04:08 PM   #38 
  - Either way, it is immoral and unjust.  David__77   Mar-25-11 04:09 PM   #39 
  - Maybe another major crisis will bring the world's people in line?  sad sally   Mar-25-11 04:30 PM   #51 
     - Ugh Rockefeller.  David__77   Mar-25-11 04:36 PM   #56 
  - its invasion and WWIII  lovuian   Mar-25-11 04:09 PM   #40 
  - The UN's no-fly zone is legal.  Tx4obama   Mar-25-11 04:33 PM   #53 
  - So The UN Snaps Its FIngers, and the US Jumps?  zorahopkins   Mar-25-11 04:40 PM   #58 
  - I think it's the other way around. The U.S. Senate requested the NFZ and the UN jumped. n/t  Tx4obama   Mar-25-11 04:41 PM   #61 
     - So The UN Really Is A US Puppet?  zorahopkins   Mar-25-11 04:45 PM   #64 
        - The protesters in Libya requested the UN to impose the NFZ first. n/t  Tx4obama   Mar-25-11 04:46 PM   #67 
           - Ooops, don't tell them the truth.  originalpckelly   Mar-25-11 04:47 PM   #68 
           - So We Are Engaged In An Illegal War Because  zorahopkins   Mar-25-11 04:49 PM   #70 
              - Protester council asked for help before Senate passed resolution...  originalpckelly   Mar-25-11 04:53 PM   #73 
              - Russia And China Are Part of The UN  zorahopkins   Mar-25-11 04:57 PM   #76 
                 - All of the countries you cite have terrible human rights records for their own people...  originalpckelly   Mar-25-11 05:08 PM   #85 
                 - And The US Has A Wonderful Human RIghts Record?  zorahopkins   Mar-25-11 05:17 PM   #95 
                    - Yeah, we summarily execute people for adultery, disappear journalists...  originalpckelly   Mar-25-11 05:24 PM   #100 
                    - +1,000,000,000  N_E_1 for Tennis   Mar-25-11 05:45 PM   #119 
                 - The US surely could have told the UN that, but didn't.  Amonester   Mar-25-11 06:01 PM   #126 
              - The UN is emposing the NFZ because ....  Tx4obama   Mar-25-11 04:57 PM   #75 
                 - So The US Really Wanted War?  zorahopkins   Mar-25-11 05:02 PM   #79 
                    - Don't be ridiculous...  Tx4obama   Mar-25-11 05:05 PM   #81 
                    - No One Wants War?  zorahopkins   Mar-25-11 05:11 PM   #89 
                    - So ,you would just let the people of Benghazi die.  Tx4obama   Mar-25-11 05:13 PM   #91 
                       - The US Is NOT The World's Policeman  zorahopkins   Mar-25-11 05:22 PM   #98 
                          - No matter how much you'd like to see those other things done....  Tx4obama   Mar-25-11 05:26 PM   #104 
                          - You did not answer the question.  Tx4obama   Mar-25-11 05:28 PM   #106 
                             - How Many People Would You Have Let Saddam Kill?  zorahopkins   Mar-25-11 05:33 PM   #111 
                    - What about Darfur?  N_E_1 for Tennis   Mar-25-11 06:02 PM   #127 
                    - So, you wanted Gaddafi to go into Benghazi and massacre the people of Benghazi?  Tx4obama   Mar-25-11 05:07 PM   #83 
                       - How Many Hungry American Children Do You Want To Starve?  zorahopkins   Mar-25-11 05:25 PM   #101 
                          - In turn, I'd say the same to you. The price of oil will rise because of such a conflicted nation...  originalpckelly   Mar-25-11 05:28 PM   #107 
                          - So It Is All About The Oil  zorahopkins   Mar-25-11 05:35 PM   #114 
                             - Do you drive a car?  originalpckelly   Mar-25-11 05:46 PM   #120 
                             - Going into Libya to protect the 670,000 people of Benghazi was NOT about oil.  Tx4obama   Mar-25-11 06:22 PM   #132 
                          - You did not answer my question. How many dead Benghazians are okay with you?  Tx4obama   Mar-25-11 05:39 PM   #115 
                             - I Like The People of Africa  zorahopkins   Mar-25-11 05:44 PM   #118 
                                - Have the people of Saudi Arabia asked the UN for intervention?  Tx4obama   Mar-25-11 05:49 PM   #122 
  - If someone launched a couple hundred cruise missiles into the United States  fittosurvive   Mar-25-11 04:40 PM   #59 
  - And what would you call it if our government slaughtered thousands of Americans...  originalpckelly   Mar-25-11 04:43 PM   #63 
  - I believe the last time that happened, the called it a civil war.  fittosurvive   Mar-25-11 04:46 PM   #66 
  - And then again, when you look at our "Revolution" it met the textbook defnition of civil war as well  originalpckelly   Mar-25-11 04:48 PM   #69 
     - Indeed, and the Tories are still the conservatives. But there is no longer  fittosurvive   Mar-25-11 04:55 PM   #74 
  - They are ..  N_E_1 for Tennis   Mar-25-11 06:12 PM   #128 
  - You are overlooking the fact that .....  Tx4obama   Mar-25-11 04:45 PM   #65 
     - Is the same UN that appointed Libya to the Human Rights Council?  fittosurvive   Mar-25-11 05:02 PM   #80 
  - Please answer this question (no one else will)  MrCoffee   Mar-25-11 04:42 PM   #62 
     - This would be the textbook situation of why the UN even exists.  originalpckelly   Mar-25-11 04:52 PM   #72 
        - But it is just about Libya  MrCoffee   Mar-25-11 04:59 PM   #77 
        - It is an important question and it has not been answered.  fittosurvive   Mar-25-11 05:13 PM   #90 
        - There is no way ever that the GOP will have a rational contemplation and debate.  Tx4obama   Mar-25-11 05:15 PM   #93 
           - Neither has this council of appointed and unaccountable gangsters.  fittosurvive   Mar-25-11 05:27 PM   #105 
        - The actions of Libya are in that context, there is no need to do anything in other nations, yet.  originalpckelly   Mar-25-11 05:17 PM   #94 
        - Yes, I agree.  Tx4obama   Mar-25-11 05:01 PM   #78 
           - You are arguing for preemptive war by the UN  MrCoffee   Mar-25-11 05:07 PM   #84 
              - It is not preemptive war. It is a NFZ that is being implemented to protect Libyans.  Tx4obama   Mar-25-11 05:09 PM   #88 
              - That sort of logic could lead one to believe that the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor  fittosurvive   Mar-25-11 05:35 PM   #113 
                 - This has come to a point where you have pushed it so far a FUCK YOU is in order.  originalpckelly   Mar-25-11 05:48 PM   #121 
                 - Actually, it was said with tongue planted firmly in cheek.  fittosurvive   Mar-25-11 06:20 PM   #131 
                 - You comment is almost too ridiculous to respond to.  Tx4obama   Mar-25-11 05:55 PM   #124 
              - A preemptive war is one where you are not responding to agressive actions.  originalpckelly   Mar-25-11 05:13 PM   #92 
                 - In that case, the answer to your original question is no.  MrCoffee   Mar-25-11 05:25 PM   #102 
  - War is wrong even when a piece of paper says it's fine. Please don't respond with sob stories. nt  Modern_Matthew   Mar-25-11 05:23 PM   #99 
  - It would be wrong to allow Gaddafi to massacre the men, women, and children in Benghazi.  Tx4obama   Mar-25-11 05:32 PM   #110 
     - You're reframing the question  MrCoffee   Mar-25-11 05:33 PM   #112 
     - That would depend on what sort of people they are.  fittosurvive   Mar-25-11 05:41 PM   #116 
        - "What sort of people they are",  N_E_1 for Tennis   Mar-25-11 06:29 PM   #133 
           - You should be more frightened by the nature of your undefined hierarchy of values.  fittosurvive   Mar-25-11 06:41 PM   #136 
              - Oh, please explain  N_E_1 for Tennis   Mar-25-11 07:08 PM   #137 
                 - The hierarchy of values which holds that Americans are not obligated to sacrifice  fittosurvive   Mar-25-11 08:04 PM   #139 
                    - Fear factor then,  N_E_1 for Tennis   Mar-25-11 08:35 PM   #141 
                       - I have no idea what it is that you are saying.  fittosurvive   Mar-26-11 07:56 AM   #142 
  - Dangerous Precedent  Runework   Mar-25-11 05:51 PM   #123 
  - Go do some homework  Tx4obama   Mar-25-11 06:00 PM   #125 
     - Go read more carefully  Runework   Mar-25-11 06:19 PM   #130 
  - I hate to say it but re Libya massacre, John McCain is getting the truth out on FoxNews  Tx4obama   Mar-25-11 06:39 PM   #135 
  - Other: It doesn't matter. Superpowers do what the hell they want anyway.  howard112211   Mar-26-11 08:00 AM   #143 

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