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Sun Dec-26-10 10:27 PM
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| 17. Psssstttt... there were slaves in the North and South |
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and Lincoln himself said:
"If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone I would also do that. What I do about slavery, and the colored race, I do because I believe it helps to save the Union; and what I forbear, I forbear because I do not believe it would help to save the Union. I shall do less whenever I shall believe what I am doing hurts the cause, and I shall do more whenever I shall believe doing more will help the cause. I shall try to correct errors when shown to be errors; and I shall adopt new views so fast as they shall appear to be true views."
translate:
I will do whatever it takes to preserve the Union. Too many believe the spoon-fed 6th grade History version of the Civil War.
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| -The South Celebrates The Bloodiest War In U.S. History |
Harry Hope |
Dec-26-10 09:52 PM |
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These celebrations of treason and terrorism are sickening |
47of74 |
Dec-26-10 09:53 PM |
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agreed... |
GSLevel9 |
Dec-26-10 10:22 PM |
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Ahem. |
Commie Pinko Dirtbag |
Dec-26-10 11:22 PM |
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+1 |
JVS |
Dec-27-10 07:12 AM |
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amen |
SwampG8r |
Dec-27-10 12:35 AM |
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This bullshit was the crucible of the 2nd Amendment. |
sharesunited |
Dec-26-10 09:58 PM |
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You have your history backwards. |
former9thward |
Dec-26-10 10:13 PM |
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Ah, but the Civil War was the rebellion envisioned by the 2nd. |
sharesunited |
Dec-26-10 10:15 PM |
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Are you joking? An entire population was freed from slavery as |
coalition_unwilling |
Dec-26-10 10:21 PM |
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No shot needed to have been fired. The only reason any shot was fired is because of the 2nd. |
sharesunited |
Dec-26-10 10:35 PM |
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You're viewing the past through the lens of the present |
ttwiddler |
Dec-26-10 10:50 PM |
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The 2nd was injected to induce ratification of the Constitution. It was an appeasement. |
sharesunited |
Dec-26-10 10:54 PM |
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Not really |
ttwiddler |
Dec-26-10 11:20 PM |
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If you are saying the 2nd is in there because of state participation in disaster relief?? |
sharesunited |
Dec-26-10 11:31 PM |
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Again, no |
ttwiddler |
Dec-27-10 01:48 AM |
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The South seized Federal arsenals... |
krispos42 |
Dec-27-10 12:46 AM |
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Just a clarification |
reformed_military |
Dec-28-10 09:02 AM |
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The southerners envisioned the same thing |
lepus |
Dec-27-10 09:42 AM |
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You might want to check your history a bit |
lepus |
Dec-27-10 09:32 AM |
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Do you have a source for slavery continuing in the north for the |
coalition_unwilling |
Dec-27-10 10:56 AM |
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Coalition_Unwilling |
reformed_military |
Dec-28-10 09:43 AM |
#134 |
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That is not what the founders were thinking about when they wrote the 2nd amendment. |
former9thward |
Dec-26-10 10:41 PM |
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Inevitable when you say the People have a right to go to war with their government. |
sharesunited |
Dec-26-10 10:43 PM |
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The writers of the Bill of Rights made the 2nd amendment |
former9thward |
Dec-26-10 11:32 PM |
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What utter crap. |
sharesunited |
Dec-26-10 11:35 PM |
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You don't know me or anything that is in my life. |
former9thward |
Dec-27-10 12:09 AM |
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The background has to stand up against the challenge. |
sharesunited |
Dec-27-10 12:18 AM |
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Fiddle Faddle |
RegieRocker |
Dec-27-10 09:38 PM |
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The second amendment provided the means to be able to go to war with the government. |
lepus |
Dec-27-10 09:47 AM |
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John Brown certainly thought it was inevitable. It was good for |
coalition_unwilling |
Dec-26-10 10:49 PM |
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Let the trolls be trolls |
FrancisTreptoe |
Dec-26-10 09:59 PM |
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Psssstttt... there were slaves in the North and South |
GSLevel9 |
Dec-26-10 10:27 PM |
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At the time of the start of the Civil War, slavery had become a purely Southern thing. |
Commie Pinko Dirtbag |
Dec-26-10 11:03 PM |
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Slavery continued in northern states for over 20 years after the civil war. |
lepus |
Dec-27-10 09:48 AM |
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Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. |
Commie Pinko Dirtbag |
Dec-27-10 06:42 PM |
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If you were black, slavery has never stopped! |
DeadEyeDyck |
Dec-27-10 09:44 PM |
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Got my arm-chair and pop-corn |
DeadEyeDyck |
Dec-27-10 09:46 PM |
#125 |
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Slavery was outlawed in the United States by 13th amendment. |
Synicus Maximus |
Dec-27-10 09:57 PM |
#126 |
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Like in that hotbed of rebellion, Delaware. |
sofa king |
Dec-27-10 08:43 PM |
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It seems the dividing line was a bit farther North than I thought. Wikipedia: |
Commie Pinko Dirtbag |
Dec-27-10 09:13 PM |
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Yes, the Mason-Dixon Line doesn't even include Virginia, anymore. |
sofa king |
Dec-27-10 10:57 PM |
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Not sure exactly what point you are trying to make here. Lincoln |
coalition_unwilling |
Dec-26-10 11:10 PM |
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Did I ever state that the North was slave free?? I clearly didn't |
FrancisTreptoe |
Dec-26-10 11:32 PM |
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You mean, like yours? The U.S. of A. ENSLAVED a race of |
Kalyke |
Dec-27-10 10:29 PM |
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I never once stated the north was always slave free. But nice try. |
FrancisTreptoe |
Dec-28-10 02:11 AM |
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Why not just realize that that's how the elite sold it to the masses? |
Kalyke |
Dec-28-10 09:37 PM |
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That's OK. I'm holding a ball in 2015 to celebrate the 150th anniversary |
coalition_unwilling |
Dec-26-10 10:01 PM |
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and you'd have the RIGHT to make that celebration. nt |
GSLevel9 |
Dec-26-10 10:28 PM |
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Like the jerks in SC. But unlike the jerks in SC, he wouldn't be a jerk. |
Commie Pinko Dirtbag |
Dec-26-10 11:13 PM |
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I'll join you. |
JVS |
Dec-27-10 07:30 AM |
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...or the burning of Atlanta. |
roamer65 |
Dec-27-10 11:03 AM |
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LMAO - If they can celebrate their secessionist treason, I can celebrate |
coalition_unwilling |
Dec-27-10 11:15 AM |
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Yeehah! |
RegieRocker |
Dec-27-10 09:40 PM |
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Do ahead.... and where are you holding this "shin-dig" |
Kalyke |
Dec-28-10 10:35 PM |
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Did you bother to read the OP or to read my response to the OP? |
coalition_unwilling |
Dec-28-10 10:43 PM |
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Red necks are in the mid-West. |
Kalyke |
Dec-29-10 12:00 AM |
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They should burn some fucking crosses while they're at it too. |
Swamp Rat |
Dec-26-10 10:03 PM |
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Dec-27-10 08:30 PM |
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Gee, and my lying ears heard Rush Limbaugh uttering that racist shit. . |
B Calm |
Dec-27-10 08:51 PM |
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charleston sc is not "the south" |
Tunkamerica |
Dec-26-10 10:09 PM |
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The hell it is not. |
GoCubsGo |
Dec-27-10 07:00 AM |
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It is one small city in South Carolina. |
Tunkamerica |
Dec-27-10 12:51 PM |
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So this isn't even some kind of stupid tradition? They just decided now would be a good time to |
Mayberry Machiavelli |
Dec-26-10 10:10 PM |
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It's the sesquicentennial of the war. Back around the 50th anniversary, |
struggle4progress |
Dec-26-10 10:50 PM |
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Declaration of the Immediate Causes Which Induce and Justify the Secession of South Carolina |
struggle4progress |
Dec-26-10 10:15 PM |
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there's something ironic here |
d_r |
Dec-27-10 12:36 AM |
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That's the war where the South's ass was whupped. |
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin |
Dec-26-10 10:16 PM |
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Really? |
Kalyke |
Dec-28-10 10:38 PM |
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written by a revisionist moron. nt |
GSLevel9 |
Dec-26-10 10:21 PM |
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Why's that? |
HEyHEY |
Dec-26-10 10:23 PM |
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actually... |
GSLevel9 |
Dec-26-10 10:32 PM |
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Which guy and what did he get wrong? |
HEyHEY |
Dec-26-10 10:42 PM |
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well... |
GSLevel9 |
Dec-26-10 11:24 PM |
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Sources please? |
Commie Pinko Dirtbag |
Dec-26-10 11:37 PM |
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for which part? |
GSLevel9 |
Dec-26-10 11:51 PM |
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I Have Strong Doubts |
NashVegas |
Dec-27-10 11:12 AM |
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Hey... it's KNOXVegas, not NashVegas. You STOLE that. |
Kalyke |
Dec-28-10 10:41 PM |
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Exactly what 'clumsy diplomacy' are you accusing Lincoln of? Would |
coalition_unwilling |
Dec-27-10 12:03 AM |
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At that point... |
GSLevel9 |
Dec-27-10 12:24 AM |
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At that point (to use your phrasing), SC was guilty of (at best) |
coalition_unwilling |
Dec-27-10 12:57 AM |
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yes, you're right... |
GSLevel9 |
Dec-27-10 01:22 AM |
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You have no way of knowing whether or not |
Tsiyu |
Dec-27-10 11:55 AM |
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used it to incite the Northern states who all wanted to raise armies and attack the Southern states. |
Tunkamerica |
Dec-27-10 12:54 PM |
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For accuracy sake: one Union soldier was killed during the assault on Ft Sumter. (nt) |
ieoeja |
Dec-27-10 01:10 PM |
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Strawman. That's not the 6th grade version. And your estimation of Lincoln is ridiculous. |
JVS |
Dec-27-10 07:24 AM |
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I will never understand this |
proud2BlibKansan |
Dec-26-10 10:24 PM |
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Gonna' catch you a trophy bass! |
The Midway Rebel |
Dec-26-10 10:36 PM |
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For real. |
Mayberry Machiavelli |
Dec-26-10 10:38 PM |
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This article is trash |
ttwiddler |
Dec-26-10 10:54 PM |
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Dec-26-10 11:05 PM |
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No. |
Commie Pinko Dirtbag |
Dec-26-10 11:11 PM |
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Psst. Hey. Lookie here. |
Commie Pinko Dirtbag |
Dec-26-10 11:18 PM |
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ROTFLMAO -- 'Lost' is a mild understatement. More like 'Got your |
coalition_unwilling |
Dec-26-10 11:35 PM |
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The civil war revisionists give the rest of us (the southerners) a bad name |
steve2470 |
Dec-26-10 11:34 PM |
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Charleston is now the entire South? |
Cali_Democrat |
Dec-27-10 01:03 AM |
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When I was living in South Carolina, I was told. . . |
kevinbgoode |
Dec-27-10 01:58 AM |
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Now that I live in the South |
notesdev |
Dec-27-10 06:03 AM |
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Which is REALLY ironic |
Le Taz Hot |
Dec-27-10 06:25 AM |
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Here's the difference |
notesdev |
Dec-27-10 06:37 AM |
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The subject was self-determination |
Le Taz Hot |
Dec-27-10 06:51 AM |
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The double standards were all around |
notesdev |
Dec-27-10 06:54 AM |
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OK, I'm apparently dealing with ADD. |
Le Taz Hot |
Dec-27-10 07:00 AM |
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Eh? |
notesdev |
Dec-27-10 07:07 AM |
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As a Pennsylvanian, I know that the South invaded my state at least twice. |
JVS |
Dec-27-10 07:20 AM |
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uh... |
notesdev |
Dec-27-10 07:27 AM |
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No. After 1.5 those puking dogs raided and destroyed a town and abducted people. |
JVS |
Dec-27-10 07:32 AM |
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Peanuts |
notesdev |
Dec-27-10 07:38 AM |
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Payback is a bitch. They got what they deserved. And our side didn't abduct, we liberated. |
JVS |
Dec-27-10 07:42 AM |
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Well there you go |
notesdev |
Dec-27-10 07:49 AM |
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They were in the wrong. I'm not going to "respect" them or their problems. |
JVS |
Dec-27-10 08:34 AM |
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Dec-27-10 08:45 AM |
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You mean The War of Southern Aggression? |
kwassa |
Dec-27-10 01:25 PM |
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The last regimes who "self-determined" the way you'd like fell 16 and 65 years ago respectively. |
Commie Pinko Dirtbag |
Dec-27-10 06:51 PM |
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Sherman destroyed the South's ability to wage war by hitting their economic |
neverforget |
Dec-27-10 08:12 PM |
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The truth is that civil war SUCKS. |
Dappleganger |
Dec-27-10 09:22 AM |
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war is horrible |
d_r |
Dec-27-10 06:44 PM |
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Oh, that's so cool! |
sofa king |
Dec-27-10 10:22 PM |
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Self-determination |
malaise |
Dec-27-10 06:42 AM |
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Slavery is a red herring |
notesdev |
Dec-27-10 06:45 AM |
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"Slavery was already well on its way out" |
JVS |
Dec-27-10 07:16 AM |
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"The slave-holding states will no longer have the power of self-government." |
JoePhilly |
Dec-27-10 11:24 AM |
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great video thanks |
d_r |
Dec-27-10 06:39 PM |
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It was about States Rights: the right to hold slaves. |
neverforget |
Dec-27-10 08:19 PM |
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What flavor was it? |
Commie Pinko Dirtbag |
Dec-27-10 09:06 AM |
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Oh, come on. The Civil Rights Act of 1965 is why the |
coalition_unwilling |
Dec-27-10 11:11 AM |
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the only point these people have to make is to be 'in your face' offensive. |
xchrom |
Dec-27-10 06:21 AM |
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There are only certain areas of the south which do this... |
Dappleganger |
Dec-27-10 09:24 AM |
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The South was invaded and occupied; the North wasn't. |
Spider Jerusalem |
Dec-27-10 06:37 AM |
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Slavery was the sine qua non of the entire matter. You say that |
coalition_unwilling |
Dec-27-10 11:33 AM |
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Sophistry? Not at all. |
Spider Jerusalem |
Dec-27-10 05:48 PM |
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It's sophistry not because Lincoln said the same thing (he most assurendly did not), but |
coalition_unwilling |
Dec-27-10 09:33 PM |
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Slavery was one of the causes and indeed the primary cause, yes. |
Spider Jerusalem |
Dec-27-10 09:39 PM |
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WTF? Talk about holding a grudge! |
lunatica |
Dec-27-10 08:39 AM |
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The Daily Show covered this perfectly. Link to video enclosed. |
JoePhilly |
Dec-27-10 11:25 AM |
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The term "Confederate" and "worthless" are synonymous for a reason. |
TexasObserver |
Dec-27-10 01:15 PM |
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Hear hear! |
JVS |
Dec-27-10 01:22 PM |
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Dec-27-10 08:31 PM |
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Dec-27-10 08:55 PM |
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Without reading a word of any subsequent post: |
Kalyke |
Dec-27-10 10:25 PM |
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Well, did you read any of the preceding posts (specifically, the |
coalition_unwilling |
Dec-27-10 10:41 PM |
#130 |
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