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unapatriciated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-11 04:50 PM
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25. It is not a public space. Shopping centers are private property.
Edited on Fri Mar-25-11 05:02 PM by unapatriciated
http://www.pufmm.org/docs/How%20to%20use%20your%20First...

Scenario C
You are outside a Wal-Mart at the local mall, you are petitioning with a clipboard and handing
out flyers, the Salvation Army is handing out information and collecting donations next to you.
The store manager comes out and tells you to leave or they will call the police. What do you say?

Unfortunately, shopping malls are considered private property, so even though the Salvation
Army are outside Wal-Mart, it is at the Discretion of the Management to determine who gets to
solicit. Your response in this case would be to ask management at the store for permission or
politely explain you didn’t understand the policy and leave. Remember your First Amendment
rights to protest do not apply on private property, you must always ask permission. Many club
owners are willing to let you set up tables on their property, so don’t be shy.

on edit:
But this has been challenged in California and other States do have laws supporting signature gathering under First Amendment Rights. So it seems to be a state by state issue.

http://www.towleroad.com/2011/03/target-sues-to-keep-ac...

Target Sues to Keep Activist Group from Canvassing for Marriage Equality Outside its Stores
I mentioned this recently in one of my news round-ups, but today a case is set to begin in San Diego in which Target Corporation will face off against activists who want to petition for marriage equality outside its stores.

San Diego Gay and Lesbian News reports:

On Friday morning, Superior Court Judge Jeffrey B. Barton will listen to arguments from both sides after Minnesota-based Target Corp. sued the San Diego-based Canvass For A Cause (CFAC) to prevent the grass-roots activist group from gathering petition signatures in front of its stores in California.

The fundamental American right to free speech is at the heart of this case, said Tres Watson, executive director of CFAC who is a San Diego resident.

In an earlier court date on March 8, Judge Barton denied a motion by Target’s attorneys seeking a temporary restraining order against CFAC. Barton ruled that the right of free speech trumps over the business interest of Target in refusing the request



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  -Was asked for signature at Walmart yesterday, for new group wanting to WingDinger  Mar-25-11 10:45 AM   #0 
  - i HATE ballot initiatives.  xchrom   Mar-25-11 10:49 AM   #1 
  - I used to sign practically every ballot initiative  gratuitous   Mar-25-11 10:49 AM   #2 
  - I stopped when we realized that the signature gatherers were all paid by firms going for contracts.  freshwest   Mar-25-11 11:03 AM   #7 
  - Do you have a K-Mart?....Their prices are lower then W Mart  Tippy   Mar-25-11 10:51 AM   #3 
  - I don't go to Wal-Mart but two elections ago when I  Cleita   Mar-25-11 10:56 AM   #4 
  - I'm going to go Godwin here regarding Getting Stuff Done  MilesColtrane   Mar-25-11 11:00 AM   #5 
  - beat me to it. But it was Mussolini who they said got the trains to run on time.  FormerDittoHead   Mar-25-11 11:39 AM   #14 
     - Did the Allies give up after Germany bomb Pearl Harbor?  MilesColtrane   Mar-25-11 12:02 PM   #15 
  - I love ballot initiatives, direct democracy at its finest  MadHound   Mar-25-11 11:00 AM   #6 
  - not democracy at all - unless their is no payment per signature. It's rule by $$/corporations  msongs   Mar-25-11 11:30 AM   #11 
  - Not. When there is a crew asking for stuff, and another that has to  WingDinger   Mar-25-11 01:21 PM   #18 
  - Is it this kind of Getting Stuff Done?  Brickbat   Mar-25-11 11:11 AM   #8 
  - All ballot initiatives should be accompanied by a factsheet from LOWV explaining the measure  leveymg   Mar-25-11 11:29 AM   #9 
  - "Out the incumbents" was the battle cry of the Tea Party since Democrats took the majority  JohnnyRingo   Mar-25-11 11:29 AM   #10 
  - since the black guy became president actually..... nt  msongs   Mar-25-11 11:30 AM   #12 
  - Boycott union-busting Wal-Mart  L. Coyote   Mar-25-11 11:31 AM   #13 
  - In Colorado, there may be a referendum to require constitutional amendments to pass by 60%.  backscatter712   Mar-25-11 12:13 PM   #16 
  - Why don't you complain to the store management about the people pestering you for signatures?  Shagbark Hickory   Mar-25-11 01:07 PM   #17 
  - The supreme court has determined that outside a grocer is a public space.  WingDinger   Mar-25-11 01:23 PM   #19 
     - Is that what the manager told you? If not, Why not complain to the manager anyway.  Shagbark Hickory   Mar-25-11 04:19 PM   #21 
     - He/she would be sued, and gain them exposure  WingDinger   Mar-25-11 04:30 PM   #23 
        - Um no, If they were dumb enough to sue, they'd be suing walmart. A losing proposition that will cost  Shagbark Hickory   Mar-25-11 05:31 PM   #26 
     - not true, unless it is a public sidewalk.  lame54   Mar-25-11 04:38 PM   #24 
     - Good point.  Shagbark Hickory   Mar-25-11 05:32 PM   #27 
     - It is not a public space. Shopping centers are private property.  unapatriciated   Mar-25-11 04:50 PM   #25 
        - Yeah would be nice to stand outside walmart and hand out coupons for target or somewhere.  Shagbark Hickory   Mar-25-11 05:33 PM   #28 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Mar-25-11 01:34 PM   #20 
  - During the pre-Ahhhnold recall, one petition was suppposedly for  SoCalDem   Mar-25-11 04:28 PM   #22 
 

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