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| 5. Susan Rice: A Voice for Intervention |
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Susan Rice: A Voice for InterventionAs Muammar Gaddafi's troops closed in on the rebel stronghold of Benghazi on March 15, President Barack Obama put the fate of the city's 1 million residents in the hands of U.N. Ambassador Susan Rice. At a meeting of the National Security Council (NSC) that afternoon, Defense Secretary Robert Gates, leery of another war in the Middle East, told Obama a U.N.-proposed no-fly zone would not stop Gaddafi from taking the town. Rice, participating via video teleconference from New York City, said she could get a tougher resolution allowing broader intervention — including the ability to attack armor and ground troops — that would do the trick. Obama gave Rice the go-ahead — and in doing so, put her on the spot. Rice, 46, was a staffer at the NSC in 1994 when the world failed to stop the genocide in Rwanda. A participant in deliberations on the crisis, she later said the White House failed to see the larger moral imperative to act and told Harvard scholar Samantha Power, now an Obama NSC aide, "I swore to myself that if I ever faced such a crisis again, I would come down on the side of dramatic action, going down in flames if that was required."
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| -Libyan Revolution Day 35 part 2 (Benghazi says thanks, Misurata persists after 5 days shelling) |
joshcryer |
Mar-24-11 07:22 AM |
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Current time in Libya is 2:24pm Thursday, March 24 |
joshcryer |
Mar-24-11 07:24 AM |
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Qaddafi Loyalists Resume Attacks on Rebel Cities |
joshcryer |
Mar-24-11 07:25 AM |
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Allies target Libyan ground forces after decimating air force |
joshcryer |
Mar-24-11 07:27 AM |
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Allies Step Up Bombing in Tripoli |
joshcryer |
Mar-24-11 07:29 AM |
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Susan Rice: A Voice for Intervention |
joshcryer |
Mar-24-11 07:30 AM |
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"I swore to myself that if I ever faced such a crisis again, I would come down on the side of |
bobbolink |
Mar-24-11 11:37 AM |
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Omar Sodani Innocent: Rebels Take Note |
joshcryer |
Mar-24-11 07:34 AM |
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Actually, you snagged something interesting here as well. |
Iterate |
Mar-24-11 05:18 PM |
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Oh wow - thanks for explaining |
MedleyMisty |
Mar-24-11 07:02 PM |
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A lifetime's worth of learning, I'm sure. |
Iterate |
Mar-24-11 08:24 PM |
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Rest assured.... whatever you add, I will deeply appreciate. |
bobbolink |
Mar-24-11 09:09 PM |
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Gaddafi Tanks Roll Back from Two Cities |
joshcryer |
Mar-24-11 07:35 AM |
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French strike deep in Libya, targeting arms flow |
joshcryer |
Mar-24-11 07:45 AM |
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Here's that video of the protesters talking in the streets of Misrata, then being shelled: |
joshcryer |
Mar-24-11 07:53 AM |
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Gadhafi sends up first warplane violating no fly zone |
tabatha |
Mar-24-11 08:24 AM |
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Gadhafi's Warplane Shot Down by French Fighter Jets in Misrata |
pinboy3niner |
Mar-24-11 10:12 AM |
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So we shot down a jet trainer? |
happyslug |
Mar-24-11 03:08 PM |
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Well if.... |
CJvR |
Mar-24-11 04:59 PM |
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But from more detail reports below, it sounds like it was bate |
happyslug |
Mar-24-11 07:46 PM |
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Top Ten Accomplishments of the UN No-Fly Zone |
tabatha |
Mar-24-11 09:15 AM |
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CURRENT TIME IN LIBYA = 5 PM THURSDAY, MARCH 24 |
pinboy3niner |
Mar-24-11 10:00 AM |
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Jordan to provide solely humanitarian assistance to coalition |
pinboy3niner |
Mar-24-11 10:20 AM |
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Ship carrying fuel bound for Libya; may be interdicted or attacked, offricial says |
pinboy3niner |
Mar-24-11 10:26 AM |
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Brief summary of events so far today |
pinboy3niner |
Mar-24-11 10:31 AM |
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"My 14-yr-old son shot in leg...had to be amputated...because no proper medical treatment" |
pinboy3niner |
Mar-24-11 10:45 AM |
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Doctors operating without anesthesia in Misrata hospital |
tabatha |
Mar-24-11 05:33 PM |
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Good map of coalition forces in the Mediterranean: |
pinboy3niner |
Mar-24-11 10:55 AM |
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More info on shoot-down of Libyan jet by French Rafale fighter: |
pinboy3niner |
Mar-24-11 11:06 AM |
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UPDATE: Libyan plane may have been destroyed on the ground 'after it landed' |
pinboy3niner |
Mar-24-11 11:12 AM |
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French confirm air-to-ground missile fired on Libyan plane after it landed |
pinboy3niner |
Mar-24-11 11:20 AM |
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I wonder if it was someone defecting? |
tabatha |
Mar-24-11 11:21 AM |
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'Morning, Tabatha! Flying in NFZ is not the smartest way to defect... :) |
pinboy3niner |
Mar-24-11 11:31 AM |
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Flying in a NFZ is not smart,, period. But he did land. |
tabatha |
Mar-24-11 12:27 PM |
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I doubt it, most Libyan Pilots are from Qaddafi own tribe |
happyslug |
Mar-24-11 03:34 PM |
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Two pilots defected to Malta right at the beginning. |
tabatha |
Mar-24-11 04:32 PM |
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I remember that, but then no one else has, it later it was reported on who are the pilots |
happyslug |
Mar-24-11 07:49 PM |
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Not at all. |
tabatha |
Mar-24-11 07:52 PM |
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Tweets from Transitional National Council presser @ 1 hour ago (interesting) |
Waiting For Everyman |
Mar-24-11 11:39 AM |
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Good day, mate! These are some very revealing tweets, and thanks for posting them! |
bobbolink |
Mar-24-11 11:45 AM |
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Tanks... |
CJvR |
Mar-24-11 05:13 PM |
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Right but here's the thing. The tanks are dead meat in open country w/ coalition aircraft overhead |
kenny blankenship |
Mar-24-11 09:01 PM |
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I'm not up on warfare strategy, and appreciate your input! |
bobbolink |
Mar-24-11 09:11 PM |
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VERY interesting, thanks WFE |
pinboy3niner |
Mar-24-11 11:58 AM |
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Turkey's parliament approves govt decision to join NATO naval operation to enforce embargo |
pinboy3niner |
Mar-24-11 12:04 PM |
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Frankly, these seem reasonable demands /eom |
al bupp |
Mar-24-11 02:57 PM |
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Turkey and France clash over Libya air campaign |
pinboy3niner |
Mar-24-11 12:12 PM |
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International Court Expects Libyan Prosecution |
pinboy3niner |
Mar-24-11 12:24 PM |
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Recommended reading ~ The Challenge of Libya: Where Will it End? |
pinboy3niner |
Mar-24-11 12:33 PM |
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Clarity on Libya eludes some potential 2012 GOP presidential candidates |
pinboy3niner |
Mar-24-11 12:55 PM |
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Rebels kill 30 govt snipers in Misrata, reach the center of town, spokesman tells Reuters nt |
pinboy3niner |
Mar-24-11 01:00 PM |
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This makes no sense, you NEVER have 30 snipers in one place |
happyslug |
Mar-24-11 03:39 PM |
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It wasn't one spot or one action |
pinboy3niner |
Mar-24-11 03:49 PM |
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Gaddafi has sent out lots of snipers |
tabatha |
Mar-24-11 04:36 PM |
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But you do NOT go "house to house, room to room, closet to closet." with snipers |
happyslug |
Mar-24-11 07:42 PM |
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Yes, I agree 30 in one place is a bit much. |
tabatha |
Mar-24-11 07:50 PM |
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Who's Backing Up Obama on Libya? |
pinboy3niner |
Mar-24-11 01:11 PM |
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You've got to see this: vid from a truck in G convoy to Benghazi that coalition bombed 1st night |
Waiting For Everyman |
Mar-24-11 01:12 PM |
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That is quite something. So this is a Ghaddoufous convoy? |
bobbolink |
Mar-24-11 02:51 PM |
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Yes, it's the one the coalition bombed the first night, |
Waiting For Everyman |
Mar-24-11 03:01 PM |
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Some compared it to the massacre of Iraqi forces retreating from Kuwait |
pinboy3niner |
Mar-24-11 03:13 PM |
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I had no idea it was THAT big. If some of that diverted to Ajdabiah, |
Waiting For Everyman |
Mar-24-11 03:22 PM |
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As I recall now, reporters |
Iterate |
Mar-24-11 08:14 PM |
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That's normal procedure for a military unit on the move |
pinboy3niner |
Mar-24-11 08:43 PM |
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wow... that was quite a catch to find that phone ...I'm assuming it was buried in rubble. |
bobbolink |
Mar-24-11 03:24 PM |
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I posted it in Political Video and GD so more people might see it, but |
Waiting For Everyman |
Mar-24-11 03:33 PM |
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I'm sure its being watched... I think people are afraid of taking an unpopular stand, and others are |
bobbolink |
Mar-24-11 03:40 PM |
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You're right, "watched" is what counts. |
Waiting For Everyman |
Mar-24-11 04:28 PM |
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Exactly. The denial is pretty heavy, and the facts sometimes have to seep in slowly. |
bobbolink |
Mar-24-11 04:47 PM |
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GREAT Czech story, Bobbo! ROFL! |
pinboy3niner |
Mar-24-11 05:34 PM |
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Thank you, Bobbolink, keep it up. Don't let anyone take you down. |
Amonester |
Mar-24-11 09:34 PM |
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I just looked at it, but then I've been on your side all along anyway. |
Raksha |
Mar-24-11 05:38 PM |
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Very intresting film. |
CJvR |
Mar-24-11 05:34 PM |
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Both sides are using civilian vehicles for combat... |
pinboy3niner |
Mar-24-11 05:44 PM |
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I read last night that Gaddafi was desperately trying to get troop transport for a long while |
Waiting For Everyman |
Mar-24-11 06:50 PM |
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Holy cow... so many pieces fitting together. Thanks! |
bobbolink |
Mar-24-11 07:53 PM |
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He has... |
CJvR |
Mar-24-11 09:02 PM |
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North Korea Suggests Libya Should Have Kept A-Bombs |
pinboy3niner |
Mar-24-11 01:21 PM |
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Maybe Ghaddoufous could join his pal in N. Korea. |
bobbolink |
Mar-24-11 02:58 PM |
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ROFLMAO! Don't miss "Star Trek Diplomacy" toon posted by n2doc: |
pinboy3niner |
Mar-24-11 01:33 PM |
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Misrata: At least 109 killed, more than 1,300 wounded in a week of attacks by govt forces |
pinboy3niner |
Mar-24-11 01:45 PM |
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Defense Secretary Gates: Syria should follow example of Egypt in dealing w/ protests |
pinboy3niner |
Mar-24-11 01:51 PM |
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BREAKING, CNN: NATO will take over Libya operation |
pinboy3niner |
Mar-24-11 02:11 PM |
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Reuters: Turkish FM says transfer to NATO will happen within one or two days nt |
pinboy3niner |
Mar-24-11 02:15 PM |
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Turkish FM quote: |
pinboy3niner |
Mar-24-11 02:27 PM |
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Good news. |
tabatha |
Mar-24-11 03:00 PM |
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Meaning the coalition may have that long to bomb Gaddafi's ground forces /eom |
al bupp |
Mar-24-11 03:02 PM |
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CNN now reporting "hiccups" in the deal (Turkey wants quicker handover) |
pinboy3niner |
Mar-24-11 03:42 PM |
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So will they spend time deliberating until the handover time? |
tabatha |
Mar-24-11 04:49 PM |
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One report said they don't expect to finish discussions tonight |
pinboy3niner |
Mar-24-11 05:01 PM |
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That certainly sounds good. I will HOPE! |
bobbolink |
Mar-24-11 03:12 PM |
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Six F-16’s from the Netherlands have arrived on Sardinia to do arms embargo patrols |
pinboy3niner |
Mar-24-11 02:32 PM |
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BREAKING: UN Sec. Gen.: No sign of Libya ceasefire, Gaddafi troops still attacking civilians |
pinboy3niner |
Mar-24-11 02:38 PM |
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Libya -- It Can Work |
pinboy3niner |
Mar-24-11 02:46 PM |
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"Discipline is a strong adversary, but will to freedom is stronger and a discipline of its own." |
bobbolink |
Mar-24-11 05:05 PM |
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A short quote |
Iterate |
Mar-24-11 11:41 PM |
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SYRIA (CNN): # of protesters killed by sec. forces reported as dozens to "upward of 100" nt |
pinboy3niner |
Mar-24-11 02:50 PM |
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UN Sec. Gen: Reps of Gaddafi regime and opposition will attend an AU mtg tomorrow |
pinboy3niner |
Mar-24-11 03:00 PM |
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The Guardian reports on the Pentagon briefing: |
pinboy3niner |
Mar-24-11 03:26 PM |
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MORE on UN Sec. General's report to the Security Council on Libya: |
pinboy3niner |
Mar-24-11 03:34 PM |
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CURRENT TIME IN LIBYA = 11 PM THURSDAY, MARCH 24 |
pinboy3niner |
Mar-24-11 04:00 PM |
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AJE report: Coalition air campaign against Libya continues |
pinboy3niner |
Mar-24-11 04:20 PM |
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The Guardian's summary of the most recent news: |
pinboy3niner |
Mar-24-11 04:41 PM |
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Wow, the rebels in Misrata have stuck it out. |
tabatha |
Mar-24-11 04:48 PM |
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BREAKING, CNN: Agreement reached on NFZ handover to NATO nt |
pinboy3niner |
Mar-24-11 05:09 PM |
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Great! Thanks for the news. |
tabatha |
Mar-24-11 05:10 PM |
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NATO Sec-Gen: It will be NATO operation but "will include contributing partners" nt |
pinboy3niner |
Mar-24-11 05:14 PM |
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Well, that is certainly going to be disappointing for our detractors. |
bobbolink |
Mar-24-11 05:21 PM |
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HEADS-UP: CNN will have Sec. Clinton speaking from the State Dept soon |
pinboy3niner |
Mar-24-11 05:21 PM |
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It could not have been a very big bomb if they cold not find it. |
tabatha |
Mar-24-11 05:31 PM |
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CURRENT TIME IN LIBYA = 12:45 AM FRIDAY, MARCH 25 |
pinboy3niner |
Mar-24-11 05:45 PM |
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NATO countries to enforce Libya no-fly zone |
pinboy3niner |
Mar-24-11 05:52 PM |
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U.N. Secretary General Expresses New Alarm Over Libya Strife |
pinboy3niner |
Mar-24-11 06:05 PM |
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UAE has provided 12 warplanes to enforce NFZ |
pinboy3niner |
Mar-24-11 06:11 PM |
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What the bloody hell???? There is nothing in LBN at all about any of this... |
bobbolink |
Mar-24-11 06:31 PM |
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Libya's Civilians Suffer In Bloody Stalemate |
pinboy3niner |
Mar-24-11 06:21 PM |
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I'm hearing that General Ham is getting choked up |
MedleyMisty |
Mar-24-11 06:23 PM |
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deleted |
tabatha |
Mar-24-11 06:28 PM |
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thank you for posting that... I stepped away from the screen a bit too soon. |
bobbolink |
Mar-24-11 06:28 PM |
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Thanks for posting that |
pinboy3niner |
Mar-24-11 06:32 PM |
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The lives of the Libyans are getting "harder by the day" |
pinboy3niner |
Mar-24-11 06:39 PM |
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It sounds like medical supplies and some doctors are on the way. |
bobbolink |
Mar-24-11 06:48 PM |
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Libya: Gaddafi loyalists in Ajdabiya 'seeking to surrender' |
tabatha |
Mar-24-11 06:45 PM |
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LINK to TABATHA'S OP on this story: |
pinboy3niner |
Mar-24-11 07:22 PM |
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Ok, thanks! |
tabatha |
Mar-24-11 07:29 PM |
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Reuters: Gaddafi's entourage sends out secret peace feelers |
Waiting For Everyman |
Mar-24-11 07:13 PM |
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Setback for Nicolas Sarkozy as Nato wins command of Libyan campaign |
pinboy3niner |
Mar-24-11 07:14 PM |
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Ohhhhh, Sarkozy lost out. I bet I know someone who's peeing in her pants right now... |
bobbolink |
Mar-24-11 07:24 PM |
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UPDATE (ROFLMAO!) |
pinboy3niner |
Mar-24-11 07:28 PM |
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Misurata hospital damaged in fighting (with VIDEO) |
pinboy3niner |
Mar-24-11 08:03 PM |
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Libya rebels arrest man suspected of Yvonne Fletcher murder 27 years ago |
pinboy3niner |
Mar-24-11 08:28 PM |
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Wow. |
Waiting For Everyman |
Mar-24-11 08:37 PM |
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Posted a weird presser about this yesterday where his release was demanded. |
joshcryer |
Mar-24-11 08:40 PM |
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The details yesterday were both weird and sketchy |
pinboy3niner |
Mar-24-11 08:53 PM |
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Oh, that's the case I posted about in post #84 |
Iterate |
Mar-24-11 11:55 PM |
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Gaddafi destroyed the last food market in Misurata. |
Waiting For Everyman |
Mar-24-11 08:30 PM |
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Damn. I hope the coalition does something about them. |
tabatha |
Mar-24-11 08:34 PM |
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I saw in the tweets this morning that supplies by boat arranged by Mo Nabbous |
Waiting For Everyman |
Mar-24-11 08:45 PM |
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Thanks for your updates on this page too |
tabatha |
Mar-24-11 08:55 PM |
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I don't know how many lives they think they are saving by NOT taking out those tanks |
kenny blankenship |
Mar-24-11 08:55 PM |
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That sounds logical, however, there is so much rabid opposition to this action, that |
bobbolink |
Mar-24-11 09:16 PM |
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K&R |
highplainsdem |
Mar-24-11 08:41 PM |
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Day 36 here (sorry for being late): |
joshcryer |
Mar-24-11 08:55 PM |
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Your job is ruining your life. ^_^ |
bobbolink |
Mar-24-11 09:27 PM |
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There's only one answer--Fight Club! |
pinboy3niner |
Mar-24-11 09:40 PM |
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fight, Fight, FIGHT! |
bobbolink |
Mar-24-11 09:43 PM |
#142 |