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Wed Mar-23-11 10:52 AM
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| 95. One of those is the IDEA of individual liberty and a nation ruled by laws not men. |
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Edited on Wed Mar-23-11 10:53 AM by AlbertCat
Over 200 years ago. (and it came with a war) Anything more recent?
And EVERY civilization that ever was has created some good music... and lots of bad.
And no one said we were "evil incarnate".
Talk about hyperbolic nonsense!
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| -Sometimes I think my German friends were right |
Taverner |
Mar-22-11 01:51 PM |
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Agreed. |
FiveGoodMen |
Mar-22-11 01:52 PM |
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We create the terrorists that we then have to fight |
Angry Dragon |
Mar-22-11 01:55 PM |
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A very profitable one. |
CrossChris |
Mar-22-11 02:04 PM |
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Sure does keep the money flowing, though. nt |
DCKit |
Mar-22-11 02:04 PM |
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How true... |
sad sally |
Mar-23-11 01:34 PM |
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That is the very point |
Enthusiast |
Mar-23-11 06:01 AM |
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Amen |
Ricochet21 |
Mar-23-11 12:36 PM |
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No doubt-- we have sick people running this country |
spooked911 |
Mar-22-11 01:58 PM |
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Rec'd n/t |
Catherina |
Mar-22-11 02:00 PM |
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Empire for the Few, the Proud, the Have-More Elite Sonsuvbitches. |
Octafish |
Mar-22-11 02:03 PM |
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Psst. And it's not our empire. |
Solomon |
Mar-23-11 07:36 AM |
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I was born during Viet Nam and I think it's safe to say that |
alsame |
Mar-22-11 02:04 PM |
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Yep - even during Carter we fought in El Salvador |
Taverner |
Mar-22-11 02:09 PM |
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Um, yeah... |
a la izquierda |
Mar-22-11 02:34 PM |
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Pretty much |
Taverner |
Mar-22-11 02:35 PM |
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Carter gave us -- er, I mean -- the Soviets, Afghanistan and the Mujahedin. |
Octafish |
Mar-22-11 03:38 PM |
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I suspect that these war decisions... |
CoffeeCat |
Mar-23-11 11:10 AM |
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I was born during WWII and I can safely say the same thing if we |
jwirr |
Mar-23-11 12:04 PM |
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We are a war-mongering country |
hifiguy |
Mar-22-11 02:07 PM |
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We've had a war going on consistently since Bunker Hill was attacked |
KamaAina |
Mar-22-11 02:13 PM |
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Very Good Point |
Taverner |
Mar-22-11 02:22 PM |
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Amen. I was just reading about the decades of the "Indian Wars" following the Civil War |
anneboleyn |
Mar-23-11 04:50 PM |
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Always seems to be a "reason" to intervene. Always seems to be in a strategic or oil rich location. |
DirkGently |
Mar-22-11 02:16 PM |
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yeah, an Italian friend told me: |
mimitabby |
Mar-22-11 02:21 PM |
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Wargasm is addicting... |
Dappleganger |
Mar-22-11 02:23 PM |
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Have you read John Perkins' "Confessions of an Economic Hit Man?" |
in_cog_ni_to |
Mar-22-11 02:25 PM |
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+1000,and this is international in scope,the USA,run by the banksters,plays the role of enforcer |
stockholmer |
Mar-23-11 06:37 AM |
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After Perkins, Klein's Shock Doctrine. |
Jackpine Radical |
Mar-23-11 10:07 AM |
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I thought I was the only one who read it. |
russspeakeasy |
Mar-23-11 10:27 AM |
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I think it was a best-seller (NYT) |
me b zola |
Mar-23-11 12:56 PM |
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"And if there is one thing the USA is known for, its our war. " |
Vinnie From Indy |
Mar-22-11 02:25 PM |
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"the IDEA of individual liberty and a nation ruled by laws not men." seriously... |
in_cog_ni_to |
Mar-22-11 02:28 PM |
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Check out the Wiki page I've linked below |
intaglio |
Mar-23-11 05:15 AM |
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One of those is the IDEA of individual liberty and a nation ruled by laws not men. |
AlbertCat |
Mar-23-11 10:52 AM |
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More recently: the idea of equal rights |
JDPriestly |
Mar-23-11 12:34 PM |
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Starting wars IS a major definition of your nation |
LiberalLovinLug |
Mar-23-11 01:46 PM |
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Not Hyperbolic Nonsense |
havbrush |
Mar-23-11 01:52 PM |
#129 |
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Only the USA is capable of Ideas.. |
2banon |
Mar-24-11 02:43 PM |
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The facts don't lie...we can make history lie, but the facts..... |
Desertrose |
Mar-22-11 02:27 PM |
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You discern no differences at all in the current situation? |
bobbolink |
Mar-23-11 09:47 AM |
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not yet.. |
2banon |
Mar-24-11 02:49 PM |
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It makes me sad. Always money for killing people, never money for improvement. |
HughBeaumont |
Mar-22-11 02:28 PM |
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The MIC grew us into an Empire |
felix_numinous |
Mar-22-11 02:31 PM |
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Oh yes, this empire will end, but it won't be pretty. |
Quantess |
Mar-23-11 12:47 AM |
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No doubt about it... |
ljm2002 |
Mar-22-11 02:37 PM |
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There are many that say |
BobbyBoring |
Mar-22-11 02:50 PM |
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War Profiteers! |
AnotherDreamWeaver |
Mar-23-11 12:49 AM |
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Remember what happened to Paul. |
MedicalAdmin |
Mar-23-11 12:15 PM |
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Not to change the subject but |
Enthusiast |
Mar-23-11 06:08 AM |
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BobbyBoring, GWB told one of the South American leaders that the way to |
JDPriestly |
Mar-23-11 12:44 PM |
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I can not for the life of me understand anyone that can't see the faults of their home |
mrcheerful |
Mar-22-11 02:55 PM |
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Everyone forgets the Flying Tigers. |
Enthusiast |
Mar-23-11 06:18 AM |
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A country founded on a LIE..... |
DeSwiss |
Mar-22-11 03:00 PM |
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Yep! |
Little Star |
Mar-22-11 03:00 PM |
#27 |
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Sometimes? n/t |
hootinholler |
Mar-22-11 03:07 PM |
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Somebody had to step in |
JackintheGreen |
Mar-22-11 03:10 PM |
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FTR It did include that |
Taverner |
Mar-22-11 03:41 PM |
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Then I cheerfully accept their gentle rebuke. n/t |
JackintheGreen |
Mar-22-11 03:51 PM |
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Even though it is true? |
Enthusiast |
Mar-23-11 06:19 AM |
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You clearly didn't read my response |
JackintheGreen |
Mar-23-11 09:37 AM |
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ohh puhleeze.. |
2banon |
Mar-24-11 03:03 PM |
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That is sadly true. It can be changed in numerous ways but unfortunately it'll |
StarburstClock |
Mar-22-11 03:36 PM |
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Corruption is the main factor. |
Enthusiast |
Mar-23-11 06:22 AM |
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K'ing & R' ing a must read OP |
Mimosa |
Mar-22-11 03:42 PM |
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that just goes to show ya |
Motown_Johnny |
Mar-22-11 03:44 PM |
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Yup. We are dayum good at those two things. |
AllyCat |
Mar-23-11 12:26 AM |
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Since there have only been 200,000 Peace Corps members/volunteers since 1961, you are a member of a |
apocalypsehow |
Mar-23-11 01:10 AM |
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Have a look at this Wiki page |
intaglio |
Mar-23-11 05:02 AM |
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Wow, what a list. |
tclambert |
Mar-23-11 06:27 AM |
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thanks for that link |
LittleGirl |
Mar-23-11 06:57 AM |
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It's the sad truth |
malaise |
Mar-23-11 05:19 AM |
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There is far too much militarism |
Enthusiast |
Mar-23-11 05:58 AM |
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We don't kill indiscriminately. |
Confusious |
Mar-23-11 06:02 AM |
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True. |
Enthusiast |
Mar-23-11 06:27 AM |
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Well, to be honest.... |
Confusious |
Mar-23-11 06:36 AM |
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Yep. How dare those brown people be sitting on OUR oil |
hifiguy |
Mar-23-11 09:27 AM |
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Exactly |
Enthusiast |
Mar-23-11 10:30 AM |
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Sad but true |
onlyadream |
Mar-23-11 06:21 AM |
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We don't just deny, we tout our humaneness and generosity |
lunatica |
Mar-23-11 06:24 AM |
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Yes. It is actually hard to believe. |
Enthusiast |
Mar-23-11 06:31 AM |
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This is why non-violent protest can work so well. |
Pacifist Patriot |
Mar-23-11 09:18 AM |
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War is the Health of the State.........Randolph Bourne |
stockholmer |
Mar-23-11 06:31 AM |
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But when we make war, we don't hurt anybody or break anything. |
tclambert |
Mar-23-11 06:34 AM |
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We are. n/t |
hulka38 |
Mar-23-11 06:37 AM |
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I'm fairly new to DU and it's people like you that keep me here. nt |
Modern_Matthew |
Mar-23-11 06:38 AM |
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Manifest Destiny |
Citizen Worker |
Mar-23-11 06:59 AM |
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Remember Ho Chi Minh? |
The Wizard |
Mar-23-11 08:02 AM |
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Ho begged the US for help to get the French out of Vietnam |
hifiguy |
Mar-23-11 09:36 AM |
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He begged Wilson, not FDR or Truman, for help. |
ieoeja |
Mar-23-11 10:05 AM |
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I just read McCulloch's Truman bio |
hifiguy |
Mar-23-11 10:42 AM |
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Yes, he did. I stopped reading when I got to the Wilson request. |
ieoeja |
Mar-23-11 11:03 AM |
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Ho wanted to be a US ally |
The Wizard |
Mar-23-11 03:53 PM |
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HoChi Minh |
havbrush |
Mar-24-11 02:29 PM |
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Yes, this is a sad, sad truth. |
avaistheone1 |
Mar-23-11 08:12 AM |
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Predatory states tend to be. We have a perpetual war time economy. |
mmonk |
Mar-23-11 08:15 AM |
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Until people are punished for this at the ballot box it will continue. |
harun |
Mar-23-11 08:21 AM |
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Really? |
tavalon |
Mar-23-11 08:32 AM |
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We are no longer a Democracy, not even close. |
harun |
Mar-23-11 09:24 AM |
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Oh, we were involved in things before WWII... |
Javaman |
Mar-23-11 08:53 AM |
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Good post |
davidthegnome |
Mar-23-11 09:10 AM |
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Try teaching American history to children without feeling like it's war to war to war to war... |
Pacifist Patriot |
Mar-23-11 09:17 AM |
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Don't forget the drug war! it's a war "waged on their own people" too. Time for us to bomb ourselves |
Gravel Democrat |
Mar-23-11 10:08 AM |
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I've Been Getting Bombed In The Drug War For Years n/t |
Forrest Greene |
Mar-23-11 11:01 AM |
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And the war on "terrorism" which define as: We know it when we see it. |
JDPriestly |
Mar-23-11 12:48 PM |
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Indeed. Today I was explaining LBJ's two wars. |
Pacifist Patriot |
Mar-23-11 01:24 PM |
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The people of America don't control the govt and haven't for a long time. |
baldguy |
Mar-23-11 09:33 AM |
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A lot of Americans require an outside view |
Swampguana |
Mar-23-11 09:42 AM |
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Good point. Can't argue with that. |
mochajava666 |
Mar-23-11 09:43 AM |
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The US does seem to enjoy war. nt |
ZombieHorde |
Mar-23-11 09:48 AM |
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"And if there is one thing the USA is known for, its our war. " |
Bragi |
Mar-23-11 10:00 AM |
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I had the same awakening. |
The Backlash Cometh |
Mar-23-11 10:00 AM |
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American exceptionalism-- |
Jackpine Radical |
Mar-23-11 10:09 AM |
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sometimes I think Joseph Perkins was right |
hfojvt |
Mar-23-11 10:34 AM |
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hfpjvt. I think my country is basically good. |
JDPriestly |
Mar-23-11 12:52 PM |
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I think Americans are basically good. It's America I have issues with. |
Pacifist Patriot |
Mar-23-11 01:25 PM |
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yep |
barbtries |
Mar-23-11 10:42 AM |
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America IS a war-monger country. |
AlbertCat |
Mar-23-11 10:45 AM |
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One Small Thing That Helps |
Forrest Greene |
Mar-23-11 10:46 AM |
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goes waaaaay back... |
Locrian |
Mar-23-11 10:54 AM |
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so, the Germans were calling us warmongers? that's rich. |
ReturnoftheDjedi |
Mar-23-11 11:06 AM |
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Why? |
Bragi |
Mar-23-11 11:08 AM |
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This American is calling Amerika: War Monger - Deal with That! |
2banon |
Mar-24-11 03:11 PM |
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If any other country attacked as many countries as we have |
Curtis |
Mar-23-11 11:07 AM |
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Ever since the Vietnam War, the way that militarism is considered "patriotic" |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Mar-23-11 11:17 AM |
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If we were a warmongering nation would we have a nobel laureate as president? |
WatsonT |
Mar-23-11 11:20 AM |
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Rec |
RMBEBBP |
Mar-23-11 11:20 AM |
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And another one..... |
femrap |
Mar-23-11 11:24 AM |
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We send all of our old weapons out into the world |
raouldukelives |
Mar-23-11 11:29 AM |
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I'm tired of it being called Defense. |
obxhead |
Mar-23-11 11:30 AM |
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The British War Museum was an eye opener for me |
Snoutport |
Mar-23-11 11:32 AM |
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I was hoping that with President Obama in office all of this would change. |
Xenotime |
Mar-23-11 11:32 AM |
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Mar-23-11 01:43 PM |
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Germans calling another country |
liberalhistorian |
Mar-23-11 12:06 PM |
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Chutzpah =/= "Full of Shit" |
demwing |
Mar-23-11 12:11 PM |
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Bout time you came around to the truth. Not happy that |
OwnedByFerrets |
Mar-23-11 12:07 PM |
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Well I grew up during the western TV craze and by my teens I realized that it |
mrcheerful |
Mar-23-11 12:30 PM |
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Had I know the facts about "Columbus" when in high school, |
OwnedByFerrets |
Mar-24-11 06:17 PM |
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Yeah should have seen my history teachers face when I pointed out the fact that ole Chris not only |
mrcheerful |
Mar-24-11 06:29 PM |
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Those are just fun facts. Once you learn that good ole Chris |
OwnedByFerrets |
Mar-25-11 06:20 PM |
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Germans calling anyone a war monger causes me to giggle. |
deaniac21 |
Mar-23-11 01:52 PM |
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Me too. Since 1945 they have become very circumspect, but not before. For centuries |
anneboleyn |
Mar-23-11 04:57 PM |
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Not particularly so |
WatsonT |
Mar-24-11 09:17 AM |
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Call it at "empire" for that IS what it is. |
RedCloud |
Mar-23-11 01:56 PM |
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Seems to me the Germans know something about the outcome of war mongering. |
CTyankee |
Mar-23-11 03:57 PM |
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The irony is that they didn't learn it after WWI. |
anneboleyn |
Mar-23-11 04:58 PM |
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Well, that was a different war. WW I was fought over colonial territories. |
CTyankee |
Mar-23-11 06:37 PM |
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The harsh terms of their surrender explain that /nt |
Bragi |
Mar-24-11 07:41 AM |
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I wonder what happens when we run out of countries that have bad guys as leaders |
TNLib |
Mar-23-11 04:33 PM |
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This is a good question. But I don't think we need to fear any dictator of a country without oil |
CTyankee |
Mar-23-11 06:38 PM |
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Soo Next time your German friends talk about how America is a war monger |
DFab420 |
Mar-23-11 04:42 PM |
#134 |
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Not to mention the Germanic tribes vs. the Roman Empire |
anneboleyn |
Mar-23-11 05:00 PM |
#139 |
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I don't automatically assume that the Germans "forgot" anything. I think they learned a brutal |
CTyankee |
Mar-24-11 07:39 AM |
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It is because war makes certain people really rich... |
YellowRubberDuckie |
Mar-23-11 04:57 PM |
#136 |
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Secret societies role in cultural imperialism? |
Mosaic |
Mar-24-11 08:49 AM |
#144 |
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