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The Wielding Truth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 03:52 PM
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60. It's crazy. I agree with you, yet I see this as a real option to this situation.
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  -We have no right to interfere in a civil war. Dangerman  Mar-20-11 04:09 PM   #0 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Mar-20-11 04:11 PM   #1 
  - We were faced with the massacre of too many innocents. They needed help and that is why we are there  The Wielding Truth   Mar-20-11 04:12 PM   #2 
  - The Onion called.  L. Coyote   Mar-20-11 04:15 PM   #5 
  - That is not an argument. nt  Deep13   Mar-21-11 12:46 PM   #34 
  - Massacres and genocides are hilarious. Got it.  bobbolink   Mar-21-11 01:14 PM   #46 
  - Then why  BobbyBoring   Mar-20-11 04:15 PM   #6 
  - R2P wasn't implemented then.  joshcryer   Mar-20-11 04:26 PM   #15 
  - BTW, we tried Burma but China and Russia said no.  joshcryer   Mar-20-11 04:26 PM   #16 
     - well, maybe we need to try again, since everyone is in such a humanitarian frame of mind  anarch   Mar-21-11 12:54 PM   #40 
  - I know. We are so altruistic, aren't we? That was the same reason  sabrina 1   Mar-20-11 04:33 PM   #18 
  - Only one of the reasons and it was not the same as this. We are responding  The Wielding Truth   Mar-21-11 12:33 PM   #28 
     - Another fact we keep forgetting... Iraqis did NOT ask for intervention from the UN.  bobbolink   Mar-21-11 01:16 PM   #48 
     - Well, if that is the only reason we are there, what about the  sabrina 1   Mar-21-11 03:05 PM   #59 
     - Do they have a substantial rebellion on going in the Ivory Coast?  The Wielding Truth   Mar-21-11 04:06 PM   #62 
        - Of course, supporters of the elected president are rebelling  sabrina 1   Mar-21-11 04:23 PM   #63 
     - Libya did not have  paulk   Mar-21-11 09:25 PM   #77 
  - What "innocents"? This is now an armed rebellion.  PurityOfEssence   Mar-20-11 04:44 PM   #19 
  - These rebels would not be armed had they not been attack by Qaddafi.  The Wielding Truth   Mar-21-11 12:17 PM   #24 
  - But they are now. Now they're not innocent, vulnerable non-combatants  PurityOfEssence   Mar-21-11 05:46 PM   #65 
  - Yemen's largest miitary force defected illegally. If there are clashes...  joshcryer   Mar-21-11 07:45 PM   #73 
     - I feel that we should not intervene  PurityOfEssence   Mar-21-11 09:24 PM   #76 
  - Truth is we hardly ever cared about genocide before  Riftaxe   Mar-20-11 05:41 PM   #23 
  - Then why hasn't the US/NATO intervened in the US/NATO occupation of Afghanistan?  Alamuti Lotus   Mar-21-11 12:25 PM   #26 
  - We are mending and leaving the mistake and mess of Afghanistan.  The Wielding Truth   Mar-21-11 12:35 PM   #29 
     - mending what?? "surge" means escalation, not "mending and leaving"  Alamuti Lotus   Mar-21-11 12:49 PM   #38 
        - The surge is over. Isn't it? Aren't we withdrawing now?  The Wielding Truth   Mar-21-11 01:06 PM   #41 
           - ...No.  Alamuti Lotus   Mar-21-11 01:16 PM   #50 
              - Okay. It's on it's way. But Repubs are contesting. Of course.  The Wielding Truth   Mar-21-11 01:28 PM   #55 
                 - Talk from American politicians is cheap, particularly when actions betray aforementioned "talk"  Alamuti Lotus   Mar-21-11 01:32 PM   #57 
                    - It's crazy. I agree with you, yet I see this as a real option to this situation.  The Wielding Truth   Mar-21-11 03:52 PM   #60 
  - Then Bahrain must be next  pokerfan   Mar-21-11 12:31 PM   #27 
  - If the resistance is strong enough, many are being killed and the  The Wielding Truth   Mar-21-11 12:43 PM   #31 
  - Bull shit  pokerfan   Mar-21-11 12:48 PM   #36 
  - Yemen is currently a better example, 60% of the military defected, illegally.  joshcryer   Mar-21-11 07:43 PM   #72 
  - what are we, freaking superman or something??  shanti   Mar-21-11 12:50 PM   #39 
  - Psst...  originalpckelly   Mar-20-11 04:12 PM   #3 
  - And if I am not mistaken the French gave us a bit of help. That said  jwirr   Mar-20-11 04:16 PM   #7 
  - Fine for our country, but not their's?  originalpckelly   Mar-20-11 04:24 PM   #11 
  - And, the French and Brits almost "helped" again in the other civil war..the South that is.  Tierra_y_Libertad   Mar-21-11 01:14 PM   #47 
  - Noone bothers to read the UN Charter, it seems. Usurping the UN  L. Coyote   Mar-20-11 04:14 PM   #4 
  - Yes it is. Inter- and intranational conflicts have historically sucked in the larger world. nt.  Hosnon   Mar-20-11 04:26 PM   #13 
  - Not a right, an obligation. Pursuant to Chapter VII, Articles 39-51 of the UN Charter.  Spider Jerusalem   Mar-20-11 04:17 PM   #8 
  - Thank you  wtmusic   Mar-20-11 04:22 PM   #10 
  - Yep. Ironically for the OP, what we have is more than a right...  Hosnon   Mar-20-11 04:24 PM   #12 
  - +1  Deep13   Mar-21-11 12:47 PM   #35 
  - As a life long pacifist, this Libyan thing has me in a spin  randr   Mar-20-11 04:22 PM   #9 
  - Exactly.  originalpckelly   Mar-20-11 04:26 PM   #14 
  - Again, a major difference... the Iraqis did NOT ask the UN for a no fly zone.  bobbolink   Mar-21-11 01:22 PM   #54 
  - Thank you for your honest and reasonable reply! We are ALL conflicted.  bobbolink   Mar-21-11 01:20 PM   #52 
  - Same feelings -- by the time things reach this point, many options are gone ....  defendandprotect   Mar-21-11 01:32 PM   #56 
  - Almost 700 people were murdered in Egypt, if it escalated to the level Libya has...  joshcryer   Mar-21-11 07:30 PM   #68 
  - Egypt and Tunisia  reggie the dog   Mar-20-11 04:28 PM   #17 
  - If indeed it was a civil war,  Iterate   Mar-20-11 04:50 PM   #20 
  - And what results is something the CIA termed "blowback"  The Northerner   Mar-20-11 04:58 PM   #21 
  - We do. Unless you are Bolton and want to dissolve the UN  FLPanhandle   Mar-20-11 04:59 PM   #22 
  - I completely agree  Stinky The Clown   Mar-21-11 12:21 PM   #25 
  - Nope. None of us  Catherina   Mar-21-11 12:43 PM   #30 
  - U.N. authorization creates that right.  Deep13   Mar-21-11 12:45 PM   #32 
  - I agree.  The Wielding Truth   Mar-21-11 01:09 PM   #42 
  - Says who? You? n/t  BzaDem   Mar-21-11 12:46 PM   #33 
  - im glad the UN and arab league is more sane than you  meow mix   Mar-21-11 12:48 PM   #37 
  - But..but..it worked ever so well in Vietnam and is working ever so well in Afghanistan.  Tierra_y_Libertad   Mar-21-11 01:11 PM   #43 
  - Amen! Fuck those unarmed civilians!  JNelson6563   Mar-21-11 01:11 PM   #44 
  - Hey. You forgot the sarcasm icon.  The Wielding Truth   Mar-21-11 01:18 PM   #51 
     - Hoped I didn't need it.  JNelson6563   Mar-21-11 01:43 PM   #58 
  - The no fly zone  dipsydoodle   Mar-21-11 01:12 PM   #45 
  - I can see it that way too,but we are here to help too. Maybe not with a  The Wielding Truth   Mar-21-11 01:16 PM   #49 
  - Libya isn't a "civil war" -- it's an uprising of the people to get rid of a dictator ....  defendandprotect   Mar-21-11 01:22 PM   #53 
  - "long propped up by the US" = lol.  Hannah Bell   Mar-21-11 03:53 PM   #61 
  - It's very well known that Gaddafi was kept in power by the CIA.  joshcryer   Mar-21-11 07:40 PM   #70 
     - indeed?  Hannah Bell   Mar-21-11 08:21 PM   #74 
  - "...Libya's ``cooperation on intelligence is strong and getting stronger,..''  robdogbucky   Mar-21-11 05:05 PM   #64 
     - Thank you -- this was Bush administration "normalizing" relations with Libya and more -- !!  defendandprotect   Mar-21-11 06:36 PM   #67 
        - +1  joshcryer   Mar-21-11 07:40 PM   #71 
  - I agree.  David__77   Mar-21-11 05:51 PM   #66 
  - Would you say the same if Egypt or Yemen escalated to the same level Libya has?  joshcryer   Mar-21-11 07:33 PM   #69 
  - if we did nothing....  unkachuck   Mar-21-11 09:08 PM   #75 
 

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