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RZM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-11 06:04 AM
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54. That's not the entire argument
There are many other components as well, including issues of human rights and democracy (and yes, even oil). I'm not condeming everybody who's against intervention here. All I'm saying is that Western leftists (i.e., DU) should think long and hard about which side they want to prevail here. Not intervening ensures that Ghaddafi remains on top. Is that what DU wants?
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  -Let's rewind back to 1936 RZM  Mar-20-11 04:20 AM   #0 
  - They would say not US while  denem   Mar-20-11 04:28 AM   #1 
  - Agreeed  RZM   Mar-20-11 04:34 AM   #3 
  - Too much history for people to absorb. I know the anarchists got involved.  joshcryer   Mar-20-11 04:32 AM   #2 
  - Anarchists were certainly part of the Popular Front and the International Brigades  RZM   Mar-20-11 04:36 AM   #4 
  - Yes, and they got betrayed by the communists  PurityOfEssence   Mar-20-11 04:37 AM   #5 
     - Yep, there was a communist here defending that in the "capitalism is no democratic" thread.  joshcryer   Mar-20-11 04:39 AM   #7 
     - The point here is intervention  RZM   Mar-20-11 04:46 AM   #13 
        - What breaks my heart about this is that Benghazi was / is very much a Catalonia for Libya.  joshcryer   Mar-20-11 04:52 AM   #16 
           - I guess some poeple just don't get it  RZM   Mar-20-11 05:06 AM   #24 
              - So do I, and I don't think they're terrorists.  joshcryer   Mar-20-11 05:25 AM   #36 
  - not getting the parallel with the spanish civil war whatsoever.  Hannah Bell   Mar-20-11 04:37 AM   #6 
  - It's a question of intervention.  joshcryer   Mar-20-11 04:40 AM   #8 
  - what does anything about libya have to do with the spanish civil war?  Hannah Bell   Mar-20-11 04:41 AM   #9 
     - Libya does not equal Spain in a domestic sense  RZM   Mar-20-11 04:43 AM   #11 
        - franco was a fascist trying to overthrow an elected government, that's  Hannah Bell   Mar-20-11 04:51 AM   #15 
           - Here you have rebels trying to overthrow an authoritarian government  RZM   Mar-20-11 04:56 AM   #19 
              - which has nothing to do with the spanish civil war. there is no parallel.  Hannah Bell   Mar-20-11 05:05 AM   #23 
                 - Please read closely here  RZM   Mar-20-11 05:09 AM   #26 
                    - franco was not a dictator at the time of the spanish civil war. he was a rebel general  Hannah Bell   Mar-20-11 05:16 AM   #30 
                       - Sheesh, have you read my posts here?  RZM   Mar-20-11 05:20 AM   #31 
                          - there is no reason to invoke the spanish civil war. i have no idea why you don't get it.  Hannah Bell   Mar-20-11 05:23 AM   #34 
                             - Was Franco 'our dictator?'  RZM   Mar-20-11 05:26 AM   #37 
                                - apparently so, as he remained in power for a very long time with no challenge  Hannah Bell   Mar-20-11 05:30 AM   #39 
                                - I meant at the time he seized power, which is when all of this, you know, mattered  RZM   Mar-20-11 05:34 AM   #42 
                                - I do believe Franco was a lesser evil at that time and at that culture from a global perspective.  joshcryer   Mar-20-11 05:35 AM   #43 
                                   - Many people agreed  RZM   Mar-20-11 05:41 AM   #46 
                                   - ???? no, i don't think so.  Hannah Bell   Mar-20-11 05:44 AM   #47 
  - It's about the foreign response  RZM   Mar-20-11 04:41 AM   #10 
     - the situation then did not parallel the situation today. there is no parallel.  Hannah Bell   Mar-20-11 04:53 AM   #17 
     - I don't think you're getting this  RZM   Mar-20-11 04:59 AM   #20 
     - i get totally what you are saying. but there is no parallel in the situation.  Hannah Bell   Mar-20-11 05:09 AM   #25 
        - What are you arguing here then?  RZM   Mar-20-11 05:11 AM   #28 
           - i am arguing that you are illegitimately invoking the spanish civil war  Hannah Bell   Mar-20-11 05:21 AM   #32 
              - I will not  RZM   Mar-20-11 05:23 AM   #35 
     - BTW  RZM   Mar-20-11 05:02 AM   #21 
        - completely irrelevant to the point under discussion. there is no parallel whatsoever  Hannah Bell   Mar-20-11 05:10 AM   #27 
           - I don't think you're going to come around here  RZM   Mar-20-11 05:12 AM   #29 
              - my point is about your inability to make a case for intervention beyond  Hannah Bell   Mar-20-11 05:31 AM   #40 
                 - One more time  RZM   Mar-20-11 05:39 AM   #45 
                    - lol. if this is the entire argument for intervention, not a chance in hell i'd  Hannah Bell   Mar-20-11 05:59 AM   #53 
                       - That's not the entire argument  RZM   Mar-20-11 06:04 AM   #54 
     - here is my issue....  ejpoeta   Mar-20-11 05:56 AM   #51 
  - There's also 1939 when Britain and France 'intervened' on another country's actions  Turborama   Mar-20-11 04:45 AM   #12 
  - Agreed. They finally got wise after Hitler took over Bohemia and Moravia  RZM   Mar-20-11 04:49 AM   #14 
  - you're comparing this now to england fighting hitler?  Hannah Bell   Mar-20-11 04:55 AM   #18 
     - Ghaddafi has invaded Eastern Libya, which is in open revolt against him n/t  RZM   Mar-20-11 05:04 AM   #22 
     - "invaded"? um, last time i checked, eastern libya was part of libya,  Hannah Bell   Mar-20-11 05:32 AM   #41 
        - I see  RZM   Mar-20-11 05:37 AM   #44 
           - you're saying a head of state "invades" the country he rules?  Hannah Bell   Mar-20-11 05:45 AM   #48 
              - Did the North 'invade' the South during the Civil War?  RZM   Mar-20-11 05:51 AM   #49 
                 - no. the south was rebelling against the central government. the north did not "invade"  Hannah Bell   Mar-20-11 05:55 AM   #50 
                    - Huh? So it's not a civil war in Libya?  RZM   Mar-20-11 05:58 AM   #52 
     - Can you read? "Britain and France 'intervened' on another country's actions"  Turborama   Mar-20-11 05:23 AM   #33 
        - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Mar-20-11 05:29 AM   #38 
  - Wrong, but thanks for playing. nt  Modern_Matthew   Mar-20-11 06:31 AM   #55 
  - Do you have ANY friggen idea who "The Rebels" are in Libya?  bvar22   Mar-20-11 08:00 AM   #56 

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