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Sun Mar-20-11 02:16 AM
Response to Reply #105 |
| 106. So, why are you picking saving Libya? why not Rwanda? why not The Congo? Sierra Leone? |
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Edited on Sun Mar-20-11 02:16 AM by silver10
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| -Two types of arguments against our intervention in Libya |
BzaDem |
Mar-19-11 11:26 PM |
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great job supporting the Bush invasion of Iraq. He couldn't have said it better. nt |
msongs |
Mar-19-11 11:38 PM |
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If you actually read my post, it doesn't support Bush's invasion of Iraq at all. Nice try though. |
BzaDem |
Mar-19-11 11:41 PM |
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True, but... |
progressoid |
Mar-19-11 11:51 PM |
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I think "why don't we intervene in country X" arguments can be used to analyze motive. |
BzaDem |
Mar-19-11 11:54 PM |
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The 'why don't we intervene' argument was simply a response |
sabrina 1 |
Mar-20-11 01:40 AM |
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OK, if all people are doing is using that argument to argue for more intervention, or to paint |
BzaDem |
Mar-20-11 02:06 AM |
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it sounds like you do. Nice try. |
silver10 |
Mar-20-11 12:39 AM |
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That is a problem with your comprehension -- not my post. n/t |
BzaDem |
Mar-20-11 12:52 AM |
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Not my problem |
silver10 |
Mar-20-11 12:59 AM |
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Great job of pretzeling. |
bobbolink |
Mar-19-11 11:42 PM |
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Your reply doesn't actually address the logic of the OP's argument. nt |
ZombieHorde |
Mar-19-11 11:44 PM |
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Did you even read the OP? |
Joe the Revelator |
Mar-19-11 11:50 PM |
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I knew I heard this before! |
silver10 |
Mar-20-11 12:39 AM |
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Those are nice arguments. I have seen a third reason for not invading Libya. |
ZombieHorde |
Mar-19-11 11:42 PM |
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I wish more DUers had read the daily reports from the ground in Libya before making up their minds. |
bobbolink |
Mar-19-11 11:56 PM |
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I agree about the USs track record and I think it is a legitimate response, however, the US... |
joshcryer |
Mar-20-11 12:18 AM |
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Yea, right, the US isn't leading it |
silver10 |
Mar-20-11 01:07 AM |
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I believe Obama isn't lying when he says that we're enabling France and the UK. |
joshcryer |
Mar-20-11 02:11 AM |
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You REALLY think they're leading. Huh. |
silver10 |
Mar-20-11 02:21 AM |
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Yep. |
joshcryer |
Mar-20-11 02:46 AM |
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Because everything we are told about wars we are in is so true. |
silver10 |
Mar-20-11 07:56 AM |
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There is a third one and I thought it is legitimate. |
Amonester |
Mar-19-11 11:48 PM |
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Which argument did the BRIC countries + Germany use to abstain? |
leftstreet |
Mar-19-11 11:51 PM |
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I don't know offhand. |
BzaDem |
Mar-19-11 11:57 PM |
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The first argument reveals the second |
Union Scribe |
Mar-19-11 11:53 PM |
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Responses. |
Igel |
Mar-19-11 11:59 PM |
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What false premise are you claiming I made? |
BzaDem |
Mar-20-11 12:08 AM |
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We didn't get oil in Iraq? |
sabrina 1 |
Mar-20-11 01:51 AM |
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No oil and no great amount of handwringing? |
OnyxCollie |
Mar-20-11 02:35 AM |
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Arab league requests no fly zone |
Confusious |
Mar-20-11 12:05 AM |
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Libya is country X |
Imagevision |
Mar-20-11 12:08 AM |
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And none of the arguments for intervention make sense |
DainBramaged |
Mar-20-11 12:09 AM |
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My only point is that for an argument against intervention to make sense, it really needs to be |
BzaDem |
Mar-20-11 12:11 AM |
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Mar-20-11 07:15 AM |
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If you were listening to the protesters on the ground, it all makes sense. |
bobbolink |
Mar-20-11 12:11 AM |
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ITA. nt |
DevonRex |
Mar-20-11 12:15 AM |
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+1, completely. The first example is the best case of illogic, because you ask the person... |
joshcryer |
Mar-20-11 12:16 AM |
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I find the lack of consistent policy most problematic. |
Gregorian |
Mar-20-11 12:16 AM |
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OK, let's assume then that we are not "in favor of humanitarian values." |
BzaDem |
Mar-20-11 12:18 AM |
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It's a matter of trusting our intentions. |
Gregorian |
Mar-20-11 12:46 AM |
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+1 Few in America and no-one outside of America are fooled. |
Poll_Blind |
Mar-20-11 12:20 AM |
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Apparently, some outside America are "fooled," since other countries are taking the lead on this. nt |
BzaDem |
Mar-20-11 12:22 AM |
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Quelle-surprise! The Coalition of the Drilling- at it again? Who would have guessed? |
Poll_Blind |
Mar-20-11 12:26 AM |
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Well it kind of goes against your statement that "no one outside America was fooled." |
BzaDem |
Mar-20-11 12:29 AM |
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Heh heh, oh maaaan. You know what (hands up in the air) ya got me! |
Poll_Blind |
Mar-20-11 12:31 AM |
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Rewanda predated R2P and in fact helped bring R2P into existance. |
joshcryer |
Mar-20-11 12:31 AM |
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Now I wonder if we're operating in coherence with the UN ruling. |
Gregorian |
Mar-20-11 12:50 AM |
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This is the FIRST TIME R2P has been invoked and implemented*. Burma was vetoed by China+Russia. |
joshcryer |
Mar-20-11 12:56 AM |
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The 1st argument makes perfect sense |
Ramulux |
Mar-20-11 12:29 AM |
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I think the first question shows a complete disconnect from what's happening in Libya... |
joshcryer |
Mar-20-11 12:32 AM |
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"These are questions you actually have to ask" |
BzaDem |
Mar-20-11 12:34 AM |
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Ugh. |
Hissyspit |
Mar-20-11 12:35 AM |
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Mar-20-11 12:38 AM |
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Nope. Are you? n/t |
BzaDem |
Mar-20-11 12:39 AM |
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No way. |
silver10 |
Mar-20-11 12:41 AM |
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If I were a libertarinan social-darwinist, "let the poor starve" type person like Ron Paul |
BzaDem |
Mar-20-11 12:43 AM |
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The right wing is always searching for ways to be in a war |
silver10 |
Mar-20-11 12:52 AM |
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And the far, far right social darwinist "let the poor starve" libertarians are always searching for |
BzaDem |
Mar-20-11 12:53 AM |
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In your imagination |
silver10 |
Mar-20-11 12:54 AM |
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Actually, it's in reality. The fact that you don't understand that is your problem -- not mine. |
BzaDem |
Mar-20-11 12:56 AM |
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Not understanding you is not a problem for me |
silver10 |
Mar-20-11 12:58 AM |
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Perhaps, but not understanding reality is a problem for you. n/t |
BzaDem |
Mar-20-11 01:00 AM |
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I don't support a war, so I don't understand reality? |
silver10 |
Mar-20-11 01:02 AM |
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You stated that far right libertarian's opposition to intervention is "in my imagination." |
BzaDem |
Mar-20-11 01:06 AM |
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Well, since you are agonizing about not going, I hope you enlisted to help in our 3 wars |
silver10 |
Mar-20-11 01:09 AM |
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Who says I supported the other two? |
BzaDem |
Mar-20-11 01:13 AM |
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Well, it is very obvious you support intervention, I'm just asking when you ship out? |
silver10 |
Mar-20-11 01:17 AM |
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Asked and answered (see post 67). n/t |
BzaDem |
Mar-20-11 01:19 AM |
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Well, it's nice that you'd give a few buck yourself, but send someone else |
silver10 |
Mar-20-11 01:22 AM |
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As I said |
BzaDem |
Mar-20-11 01:24 AM |
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I've been in the army, and I know all about war, so let's not go there. |
silver10 |
Mar-20-11 01:32 AM |
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I also think there should be a very important reason. |
BzaDem |
Mar-20-11 01:38 AM |
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If it is important enough to you, why can't you join? If too old, how about your children? |
silver10 |
Mar-20-11 01:46 AM |
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I got a response for all my posts but this one? go wonder |
silver10 |
Mar-20-11 01:55 AM |
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Maybe you should wait a few minutes before looking silly. n/t |
BzaDem |
Mar-20-11 01:57 AM |
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takes a lot more than this |
silver10 |
Mar-20-11 02:09 AM |
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I am not going to reveal personal info about myself on a message board, so you can believe it or not |
BzaDem |
Mar-20-11 01:57 AM |
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I think if this is important enough to you, you'd say that you indeed encourage your family to join |
silver10 |
Mar-20-11 02:00 AM |
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Would you freely live in Benghazi without intervention, then? If maintaining the status quo is that |
BzaDem |
Mar-20-11 02:02 AM |
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why should I live there? |
silver10 |
Mar-20-11 02:05 AM |
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would you live in Iraq? |
silver10 |
Mar-20-11 02:06 AM |
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I care about Americans and using the money for Americans |
silver10 |
Mar-20-11 02:05 AM |
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"why should I live there?" |
BzaDem |
Mar-20-11 02:10 AM |
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Fight for justice, like Iraq? Vietnam? N. Korea? Somalia. We were really effective |
silver10 |
Mar-20-11 02:13 AM |
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Isn't it overly simplistic to pretend the world is black and white, and that any intervention is |
BzaDem |
Mar-20-11 02:15 AM |
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So, why are you picking saving Libya? why not Rwanda? why not The Congo? Sierra Leone? |
silver10 |
Mar-20-11 02:16 AM |
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While I again have limited information, I would have supported intervention in Rwanda |
BzaDem |
Mar-20-11 02:18 AM |
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and the dozens of other countries? all being killed by leaders? |
silver10 |
Mar-20-11 02:20 AM |
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Again, I would have to research the cost/humanitarian-benefit analysis, because the world is not |
BzaDem |
Mar-20-11 02:21 AM |
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All human life has a price (bearing cost analysis) but yours is not on the table |
silver10 |
Mar-20-11 02:24 AM |
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Well, you are apparently not on the table for living in any of the places you want no intervention |
BzaDem |
Mar-20-11 02:24 AM |
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Unlike you, I served my country. I put my "money where my mouth is" |
silver10 |
Mar-20-11 02:25 AM |
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And I never said otherwise. |
BzaDem |
Mar-20-11 02:27 AM |
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I'll finish this with May all the dead civilians souls who got bombed be on your head |
silver10 |
Mar-20-11 07:45 AM |
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People in other countries we bombed and invaded suffered |
silver10 |
Mar-20-11 07:55 AM |
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Are YOU a repbulican? PLacing money as a higher value than people's lives sounds tha tway to me |
HEyHEY |
Mar-20-11 02:46 AM |
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You think I'm a republican because I'm against war? |
silver10 |
Mar-20-11 07:53 AM |
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I didn't say anything about libertarians becasue I don't give a good god-damn about them |
silver10 |
Mar-20-11 01:10 AM |
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And I hope you aren't insinuating I am a far far right libertarian |
silver10 |
Mar-20-11 12:58 AM |
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I'm not insinuating that you're a libertarian any more than you're insinuating that I'm a Republican |
BzaDem |
Mar-20-11 12:59 AM |
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OK, good then. Because I don't care what you are, just what your post sounds like |
silver10 |
Mar-20-11 01:03 AM |
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And I similarly don't care what you are -- just what your "us, not them" reasoning sounds like. |
BzaDem |
Mar-20-11 01:06 AM |
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Wow. You really make no sense. Just saying |
silver10 |
Mar-20-11 01:08 AM |
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How does that make no sense yo you? Cause it isn't selfish and republican-style thinking? |
HEyHEY |
Mar-20-11 02:48 AM |
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Anti-war is selfish and republican style? |
silver10 |
Mar-20-11 08:12 AM |
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No saying "fuck them, I got mine" is. |
HEyHEY |
Mar-20-11 12:35 PM |
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I don't see Canada in the coalition? |
silver10 |
Mar-20-11 02:50 PM |
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Canada sent six jets |
MedleyMisty |
Mar-20-11 02:58 PM |
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Wow! a whole six jets - you must be so proud! |
silver10 |
Mar-20-11 03:19 PM |
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Why? Cause he isn't blindy shouting "Conspiracy, war monger!" Without thinking |
HEyHEY |
Mar-20-11 02:44 AM |
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Illegally and arbitrarily bombing other countries is not humanitarian |
silver10 |
Mar-20-11 08:18 AM |
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How about this one - the $ spent on this should be spent here instead? nt |
kelly1mm |
Mar-20-11 12:45 AM |
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+1 |
silver10 |
Mar-20-11 12:52 AM |
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Wonder if any of our 'little buddies' have slipped up, and posted opposing arguments under |
guruoo |
Mar-20-11 12:45 AM |
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See post #11. n/t |
BzaDem |
Mar-20-11 12:46 AM |
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It's like a |
guruoo |
Mar-20-11 01:04 AM |
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Here's one for you |
gmaki |
Mar-20-11 01:19 AM |
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But obviously not all war. (I presume you were not against the civil war, for example.) |
BzaDem |
Mar-20-11 01:22 AM |
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You are comparing this to the American Civil War - wow you do live in your own world |
silver10 |
Mar-20-11 01:23 AM |
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No, actually, I'm not. This goes back to the comprehension issue. |
BzaDem |
Mar-20-11 01:25 AM |
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Mar-20-11 01:32 AM |
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You have twice mischaracterized posts of mine. |
BzaDem |
Mar-20-11 01:47 AM |
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You are just too intellectual for me. Go back to agonizing over your 2 stupid arguments |
silver10 |
Mar-20-11 01:49 AM |
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I comprehend you just fine! |
silver10 |
Mar-20-11 07:53 AM |
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No I'm against all of them |
gmaki |
Mar-20-11 09:34 AM |
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agreed! |
silver10 |
Mar-20-11 02:51 PM |
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How about: We have a Dept of Defense, not a Dept of Offense |
HR_Pufnstuf |
Mar-20-11 01:21 AM |
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So your objection is simply that the department is misnamed? That could easily be corrected. n/t |
BzaDem |
Mar-20-11 01:22 AM |
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You answered my question with a question. |
HR_Pufnstuf |
Mar-20-11 01:35 AM |
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+1 |
silver10 |
Mar-20-11 01:37 AM |
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Oh, I don't think they are defending us per se. |
BzaDem |
Mar-20-11 01:40 AM |
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What about national sovereignty? |
PurityOfEssence |
Mar-20-11 01:40 AM |
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"but this hardly seems to reach that level." |
BzaDem |
Mar-20-11 01:43 AM |
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+1 |
silver10 |
Mar-20-11 01:50 AM |
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Leave that Poor Mr Ghadaffi Aloooooooone! |
meow mix |
Mar-20-11 07:55 AM |
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How coincidental - people like you also make me want to puke. |
silver10 |
Mar-20-11 07:58 AM |
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im not the one who wants to watch protestersors be slaughtered in the streets. |
meow mix |
Mar-20-11 08:00 AM |
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so when do YOU ship out to help support our 3rd war? |
silver10 |
Mar-20-11 08:07 AM |
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and quite a few of the arguments for it make no sense |
cali |
Mar-20-11 07:22 AM |
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K&R they dont even care they just want to see the libyan protestors be slaughered |
meow mix |
Mar-20-11 07:54 AM |
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You just want to slaughter the protesters with your bombs. |
silver10 |
Mar-20-11 07:59 AM |
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link please |
meow mix |
Mar-20-11 08:01 AM |
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CNN--Residents of Benghazi have one message, and that is: "Thankyou!" |
meow mix |
Mar-20-11 08:01 AM |
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link please |
silver10 |
Mar-20-11 08:06 AM |
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there's nothing to shove down my panties |
silver10 |
Mar-20-11 08:15 AM |
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#3 -- We cannot win this war, therefore we should stay out. n/t |
Meeker Morgan |
Mar-20-11 08:15 AM |
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Another argument is that war doesn't solve anything in the Middle East |
ecstatic |
Mar-20-11 08:46 AM |
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+1 |
silver10 |
Mar-20-11 02:54 PM |
#145 |
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