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silver10 Donating Member (492 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-11 02:09 AM
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101. takes a lot more than this
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  -Two types of arguments against our intervention in Libya BzaDem  Mar-19-11 11:26 PM   #0 
  - great job supporting the Bush invasion of Iraq. He couldn't have said it better. nt  msongs   Mar-19-11 11:38 PM   #1 
  - If you actually read my post, it doesn't support Bush's invasion of Iraq at all. Nice try though.  BzaDem   Mar-19-11 11:41 PM   #2 
  - True, but...  progressoid   Mar-19-11 11:51 PM   #8 
  - I think "why don't we intervene in country X" arguments can be used to analyze motive.  BzaDem   Mar-19-11 11:54 PM   #11 
     - The 'why don't we intervene' argument was simply a response  sabrina 1   Mar-20-11 01:40 AM   #84 
        - OK, if all people are doing is using that argument to argue for more intervention, or to paint  BzaDem   Mar-20-11 02:06 AM   #99 
  - it sounds like you do. Nice try.  silver10   Mar-20-11 12:39 AM   #38 
     - That is a problem with your comprehension -- not my post. n/t  BzaDem   Mar-20-11 12:52 AM   #46 
        - Not my problem  silver10   Mar-20-11 12:59 AM   #56 
  - Great job of pretzeling.  bobbolink   Mar-19-11 11:42 PM   #4 
  - Your reply doesn't actually address the logic of the OP's argument. nt  ZombieHorde   Mar-19-11 11:44 PM   #5 
  - Did you even read the OP?  Joe the Revelator   Mar-19-11 11:50 PM   #7 
  - I knew I heard this before!  silver10   Mar-20-11 12:39 AM   #36 
  - Those are nice arguments. I have seen a third reason for not invading Libya.  ZombieHorde   Mar-19-11 11:42 PM   #3 
  - I wish more DUers had read the daily reports from the ground in Libya before making up their minds.  bobbolink   Mar-19-11 11:56 PM   #12 
  - I agree about the USs track record and I think it is a legitimate response, however, the US...  joshcryer   Mar-20-11 12:18 AM   #24 
     - Yea, right, the US isn't leading it  silver10   Mar-20-11 01:07 AM   #63 
        - I believe Obama isn't lying when he says that we're enabling France and the UK.  joshcryer   Mar-20-11 02:11 AM   #103 
           - You REALLY think they're leading. Huh.  silver10   Mar-20-11 02:21 AM   #109 
              - Yep.  joshcryer   Mar-20-11 02:46 AM   #118 
                 - Because everything we are told about wars we are in is so true.  silver10   Mar-20-11 07:56 AM   #128 
  - There is a third one and I thought it is legitimate.  Amonester   Mar-19-11 11:48 PM   #6 
  - Which argument did the BRIC countries + Germany use to abstain?  leftstreet   Mar-19-11 11:51 PM   #9 
  - I don't know offhand.  BzaDem   Mar-19-11 11:57 PM   #13 
  - The first argument reveals the second  Union Scribe   Mar-19-11 11:53 PM   #10 
  - Responses.  Igel   Mar-19-11 11:59 PM   #14 
  - What false premise are you claiming I made?  BzaDem   Mar-20-11 12:08 AM   #17 
  - We didn't get oil in Iraq?  sabrina 1   Mar-20-11 01:51 AM   #91 
  - No oil and no great amount of handwringing?  OnyxCollie   Mar-20-11 02:35 AM   #115 
  - Arab league requests no fly zone  Confusious   Mar-20-11 12:05 AM   #15 
  - Libya is country X  Imagevision   Mar-20-11 12:08 AM   #16 
  - And none of the arguments for intervention make sense  DainBramaged   Mar-20-11 12:09 AM   #18 
  - My only point is that for an argument against intervention to make sense, it really needs to be  BzaDem   Mar-20-11 12:11 AM   #19 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Mar-20-11 07:15 AM   #120 
  - If you were listening to the protesters on the ground, it all makes sense.  bobbolink   Mar-20-11 12:11 AM   #20 
     - ITA. nt  DevonRex   Mar-20-11 12:15 AM   #21 
  - +1, completely. The first example is the best case of illogic, because you ask the person...  joshcryer   Mar-20-11 12:16 AM   #22 
  - I find the lack of consistent policy most problematic.  Gregorian   Mar-20-11 12:16 AM   #23 
  - OK, let's assume then that we are not "in favor of humanitarian values."  BzaDem   Mar-20-11 12:18 AM   #25 
  - It's a matter of trusting our intentions.  Gregorian   Mar-20-11 12:46 AM   #43 
  - +1 Few in America and no-one outside of America are fooled.  Poll_Blind   Mar-20-11 12:20 AM   #26 
  - Apparently, some outside America are "fooled," since other countries are taking the lead on this. nt  BzaDem   Mar-20-11 12:22 AM   #27 
     - Quelle-surprise! The Coalition of the Drilling- at it again? Who would have guessed?  Poll_Blind   Mar-20-11 12:26 AM   #28 
        - Well it kind of goes against your statement that "no one outside America was fooled."  BzaDem   Mar-20-11 12:29 AM   # 
           - Heh heh, oh maaaan. You know what (hands up in the air) ya got me!  Poll_Blind   Mar-20-11 12:31 AM   #31 
  - Rewanda predated R2P and in fact helped bring R2P into existance.  joshcryer   Mar-20-11 12:31 AM   #30 
     - Now I wonder if we're operating in coherence with the UN ruling.  Gregorian   Mar-20-11 12:50 AM   #45 
        - This is the FIRST TIME R2P has been invoked and implemented*. Burma was vetoed by China+Russia.  joshcryer   Mar-20-11 12:56 AM   #52 
  - The 1st argument makes perfect sense  Ramulux   Mar-20-11 12:29 AM   #29 
  - I think the first question shows a complete disconnect from what's happening in Libya...  joshcryer   Mar-20-11 12:32 AM   #32 
  - "These are questions you actually have to ask"  BzaDem   Mar-20-11 12:34 AM   #33 
  - Ugh.  Hissyspit   Mar-20-11 12:35 AM   #34 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Mar-20-11 12:38 AM   #35 
  - Nope. Are you? n/t  BzaDem   Mar-20-11 12:39 AM   #37 
  - No way.  silver10   Mar-20-11 12:41 AM   #39 
     - If I were a libertarinan social-darwinist, "let the poor starve" type person like Ron Paul  BzaDem   Mar-20-11 12:43 AM   #40 
        - The right wing is always searching for ways to be in a war  silver10   Mar-20-11 12:52 AM   #47 
           - And the far, far right social darwinist "let the poor starve" libertarians are always searching for  BzaDem   Mar-20-11 12:53 AM   #49 
              - In your imagination  silver10   Mar-20-11 12:54 AM   #50 
              - Actually, it's in reality. The fact that you don't understand that is your problem -- not mine.  BzaDem   Mar-20-11 12:56 AM   #51 
                 - Not understanding you is not a problem for me  silver10   Mar-20-11 12:58 AM   #54 
                    - Perhaps, but not understanding reality is a problem for you. n/t  BzaDem   Mar-20-11 01:00 AM   #57 
                       - I don't support a war, so I don't understand reality?  silver10   Mar-20-11 01:02 AM   #58 
                          - You stated that far right libertarian's opposition to intervention is "in my imagination."  BzaDem   Mar-20-11 01:06 AM   #61 
                             - Well, since you are agonizing about not going, I hope you enlisted to help in our 3 wars  silver10   Mar-20-11 01:09 AM   #65 
                             - Who says I supported the other two?  BzaDem   Mar-20-11 01:13 AM   #67 
                                - Well, it is very obvious you support intervention, I'm just asking when you ship out?  silver10   Mar-20-11 01:17 AM   #68 
                                   - Asked and answered (see post 67). n/t  BzaDem   Mar-20-11 01:19 AM   #70 
                                      - Well, it's nice that you'd give a few buck yourself, but send someone else  silver10   Mar-20-11 01:22 AM   #73 
                                         - As I said  BzaDem   Mar-20-11 01:24 AM   #76 
                                            - I've been in the army, and I know all about war, so let's not go there.  silver10   Mar-20-11 01:32 AM   #78 
                                            - I also think there should be a very important reason.  BzaDem   Mar-20-11 01:38 AM   #82 
                                            - If it is important enough to you, why can't you join? If too old, how about your children?  silver10   Mar-20-11 01:46 AM   #87 
                                            - I got a response for all my posts but this one? go wonder  silver10   Mar-20-11 01:55 AM   #92 
                                            - Maybe you should wait a few minutes before looking silly. n/t  BzaDem   Mar-20-11 01:57 AM   #94 
                                            - takes a lot more than this  silver10   Mar-20-11 02:09 AM   #101 
                                            - I am not going to reveal personal info about myself on a message board, so you can believe it or not  BzaDem   Mar-20-11 01:57 AM   #93 
                                            - I think if this is important enough to you, you'd say that you indeed encourage your family to join  silver10   Mar-20-11 02:00 AM   #95 
                                            - Would you freely live in Benghazi without intervention, then? If maintaining the status quo is that  BzaDem   Mar-20-11 02:02 AM   #96 
                                            - why should I live there?  silver10   Mar-20-11 02:05 AM   #98 
                                            - would you live in Iraq?  silver10   Mar-20-11 02:06 AM   #100 
                                            - I care about Americans and using the money for Americans  silver10   Mar-20-11 02:05 AM   #97 
                                            - "why should I live there?"  BzaDem   Mar-20-11 02:10 AM   #102 
                                            - Fight for justice, like Iraq? Vietnam? N. Korea? Somalia. We were really effective  silver10   Mar-20-11 02:13 AM   #104 
                                            - Isn't it overly simplistic to pretend the world is black and white, and that any intervention is  BzaDem   Mar-20-11 02:15 AM   #105 
                                            - So, why are you picking saving Libya? why not Rwanda? why not The Congo? Sierra Leone?  silver10   Mar-20-11 02:16 AM   #106 
                                            - While I again have limited information, I would have supported intervention in Rwanda  BzaDem   Mar-20-11 02:18 AM   #107 
                                            - and the dozens of other countries? all being killed by leaders?  silver10   Mar-20-11 02:20 AM   #108 
                                            - Again, I would have to research the cost/humanitarian-benefit analysis, because the world is not  BzaDem   Mar-20-11 02:21 AM   #110 
                                            - All human life has a price (bearing cost analysis) but yours is not on the table  silver10   Mar-20-11 02:24 AM   #111 
                                            - Well, you are apparently not on the table for living in any of the places you want no intervention  BzaDem   Mar-20-11 02:24 AM   #112 
                                            - Unlike you, I served my country. I put my "money where my mouth is"  silver10   Mar-20-11 02:25 AM   #113 
                                            - And I never said otherwise.  BzaDem   Mar-20-11 02:27 AM   #114 
                                            - I'll finish this with May all the dead civilians souls who got bombed be on your head  silver10   Mar-20-11 07:45 AM   #122 
                                            - People in other countries we bombed and invaded suffered  silver10   Mar-20-11 07:55 AM   #126 
                                            - Are YOU a repbulican? PLacing money as a higher value than people's lives sounds tha tway to me  HEyHEY   Mar-20-11 02:46 AM   #117 
                                            - You think I'm a republican because I'm against war?  silver10   Mar-20-11 07:53 AM   #123 
                             - I didn't say anything about libertarians becasue I don't give a good god-damn about them  silver10   Mar-20-11 01:10 AM   #66 
              - And I hope you aren't insinuating I am a far far right libertarian  silver10   Mar-20-11 12:58 AM   #53 
                 - I'm not insinuating that you're a libertarian any more than you're insinuating that I'm a Republican  BzaDem   Mar-20-11 12:59 AM   #55 
                    - OK, good then. Because I don't care what you are, just what your post sounds like  silver10   Mar-20-11 01:03 AM   #59 
                       - And I similarly don't care what you are -- just what your "us, not them" reasoning sounds like.  BzaDem   Mar-20-11 01:06 AM   #62 
                          - Wow. You really make no sense. Just saying  silver10   Mar-20-11 01:08 AM   #64 
                             - How does that make no sense yo you? Cause it isn't selfish and republican-style thinking?  HEyHEY   Mar-20-11 02:48 AM   #119 
                                - Anti-war is selfish and republican style?  silver10   Mar-20-11 08:12 AM   #136 
                                   - No saying "fuck them, I got mine" is.  HEyHEY   Mar-20-11 12:35 PM   #142 
                                      - I don't see Canada in the coalition?  silver10   Mar-20-11 02:50 PM   #143 
                                         - Canada sent six jets  MedleyMisty   Mar-20-11 02:58 PM   #146 
                                            - Wow! a whole six jets - you must be so proud!  silver10   Mar-20-11 03:19 PM   #147 
  - Why? Cause he isn't blindy shouting "Conspiracy, war monger!" Without thinking  HEyHEY   Mar-20-11 02:44 AM   #116 
     - Illegally and arbitrarily bombing other countries is not humanitarian  silver10   Mar-20-11 08:18 AM   #139 
  - How about this one - the $ spent on this should be spent here instead? nt  kelly1mm   Mar-20-11 12:45 AM   #41 
  - +1  silver10   Mar-20-11 12:52 AM   #48 
  - Wonder if any of our 'little buddies' have slipped up, and posted opposing arguments under  guruoo   Mar-20-11 12:45 AM   #42 
  - See post #11. n/t  BzaDem   Mar-20-11 12:46 AM   #44 
     - It's like a  guruoo   Mar-20-11 01:04 AM   #60 
  - Here's one for you  gmaki   Mar-20-11 01:19 AM   #69 
  - But obviously not all war. (I presume you were not against the civil war, for example.)  BzaDem   Mar-20-11 01:22 AM   #72 
     - You are comparing this to the American Civil War - wow you do live in your own world  silver10   Mar-20-11 01:23 AM   #75 
     - No, actually, I'm not. This goes back to the comprehension issue.  BzaDem   Mar-20-11 01:25 AM   #77 
        - Deleted message  Name removed   Mar-20-11 01:32 AM   #79 
        - You have twice mischaracterized posts of mine.  BzaDem   Mar-20-11 01:47 AM   #88 
           - You are just too intellectual for me. Go back to agonizing over your 2 stupid arguments  silver10   Mar-20-11 01:49 AM   #89 
        - I comprehend you just fine!  silver10   Mar-20-11 07:53 AM   #124 
     - No I'm against all of them  gmaki   Mar-20-11 09:34 AM   #141 
        - agreed!  silver10   Mar-20-11 02:51 PM   #144 
  - How about: We have a Dept of Defense, not a Dept of Offense  HR_Pufnstuf   Mar-20-11 01:21 AM   #71 
  - So your objection is simply that the department is misnamed? That could easily be corrected. n/t  BzaDem   Mar-20-11 01:22 AM   #74 
     - You answered my question with a question.  HR_Pufnstuf   Mar-20-11 01:35 AM   #80 
        - +1  silver10   Mar-20-11 01:37 AM   #81 
        - Oh, I don't think they are defending us per se.  BzaDem   Mar-20-11 01:40 AM   #83 
  - What about national sovereignty?  PurityOfEssence   Mar-20-11 01:40 AM   #85 
  - "but this hardly seems to reach that level."  BzaDem   Mar-20-11 01:43 AM   #86 
  - +1  silver10   Mar-20-11 01:50 AM   #90 
  - Leave that Poor Mr Ghadaffi Aloooooooone!  meow mix   Mar-20-11 07:55 AM   #127 
     - How coincidental - people like you also make me want to puke.  silver10   Mar-20-11 07:58 AM   #129 
        - im not the one who wants to watch protestersors be slaughtered in the streets.  meow mix   Mar-20-11 08:00 AM   #131 
           - so when do YOU ship out to help support our 3rd war?  silver10   Mar-20-11 08:07 AM   #135 
  - and quite a few of the arguments for it make no sense  cali   Mar-20-11 07:22 AM   #121 
  - K&R they dont even care they just want to see the libyan protestors be slaughered  meow mix   Mar-20-11 07:54 AM   #125 
  - You just want to slaughter the protesters with your bombs.  silver10   Mar-20-11 07:59 AM   #130 
     - link please  meow mix   Mar-20-11 08:01 AM   #132 
     - CNN--Residents of Benghazi have one message, and that is: "Thankyou!"  meow mix   Mar-20-11 08:01 AM   #133 
        - link please  silver10   Mar-20-11 08:06 AM   #134 
        - there's nothing to shove down my panties  silver10   Mar-20-11 08:15 AM   #138 
  - #3 -- We cannot win this war, therefore we should stay out. n/t  Meeker Morgan   Mar-20-11 08:15 AM   #137 
  - Another argument is that war doesn't solve anything in the Middle East  ecstatic   Mar-20-11 08:46 AM   #140 
     - +1  silver10   Mar-20-11 02:54 PM   #145 

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