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customerserviceguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-11 07:00 PM
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137. It's the idea of
'if we're all in this together, things will change'.

For Repigs, they think that if minimum wage people don't have an earned income credit, they'll oppose government spending.

For people like yourself who think that if everybody is subject to the draft, we'll all be against wars of choice.

It's the same logic, really.
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  -Should the military draft be brought back? undeterred  Mar-19-11 01:06 PM   #0 
  - let's do it Roman style. Draft only the rich.  provis99   Mar-19-11 01:08 PM   #1 
  - and make the poor slaves?  Motown_Johnny   Mar-19-11 01:28 PM   #24 
  - They also drafted the poor  WatsonT   Mar-19-11 01:33 PM   #26 
  - Well that part has already been done, so no action required there.  lonestarnot   Mar-19-11 03:12 PM   #78 
  - I maybe wouldn't mind that.  lonestarnot   Mar-19-11 03:11 PM   #77 
  - They should be forced to surrender their assets while they serve too.  Xenotime   Mar-23-11 11:24 AM   #167 
  - It should be 18-40, if it is anything at all.  GodlessBiker   Mar-19-11 01:09 PM   #2 
  - It should be draft supporters ONLY, if anything at all. n/t  jacquelope   Mar-19-11 02:51 PM   #73 
  - Yes. And, a book of matches should be issued with every draft card to burn it with.  Tierra_y_Libertad   Mar-19-11 01:09 PM   #3 
  - It would definitely IMO keep more of the country in focus on what is going on if  RKP5637   Mar-19-11 01:16 PM   #10 
  - NO ONE GIVES A SHIT  leftstreet   Mar-19-11 01:21 PM   #15 
     - The government is spending 2BILLION DOLLARS a week in Afghanistan!  undeterred   Mar-19-11 01:27 PM   #23 
     - That "is" the bottom line, no one gives a shit about anything in America anymore. n/t  RKP5637   Mar-19-11 02:15 PM   #56 
     - And somehow...  Aerows   Mar-19-11 06:00 PM   #119 
  - +100,000,000 !!!  jacquelope   Mar-19-11 03:13 PM   #80 
  - use the match to light a joint and you would be undraftable  reggie the dog   Mar-19-11 03:25 PM   #87 
  - I was opposed to the draft in the '60s also, and I can't believe I just voted for it.  Raksha   Mar-19-11 04:53 PM   #108 
     - You have a draft and more poor boys die in even more rich man's wars.  glen123098   Mar-19-11 05:04 PM   #110 
  - HELL NO! My son turned 18 4 days ago. No military can have him. Sorry. n/t  in_cog_ni_to   Mar-19-11 01:10 PM   #4 
  - I just ADOPTED a baby boy last month NO WAY IN HELL!!!!  jacquelope   Mar-19-11 02:50 PM   #71 
  -'re saying a Democrat came up with this shit?  leftstreet   Mar-19-11 01:10 PM   #5 
  - The only way to stop these wars is to get people out to protest.  undeterred   Mar-19-11 01:14 PM   #7 
  - LOLLOL - yeah we never thought of that n/t  leftstreet   Mar-19-11 01:16 PM   #11 
  - Exactly!!! n/t  RKP5637   Mar-19-11 01:17 PM   #12 
  - Yeah, that really worked in Vietnam. 50,000 American deaths there,  pnwmom   Mar-19-11 01:52 PM   #45 
     - Do you feel the current wars are out of sight, out of mind for most Americans? n/t  RKP5637   Mar-19-11 02:14 PM   #55 
     - I don't think draft-related protests would make any difference.  pnwmom   Mar-19-11 06:04 PM   #120 
        - I agree with your posts. If we protest the protesters become blamed just like in  RKP5637   Mar-19-11 06:21 PM   #126 
           - Those nightly broadcasts did help. But Bush also put a lid on that  pnwmom   Mar-19-11 09:26 PM   #140 
              - Yep, out of sight, out of mind, no pictures of the coffins. US talks about other  RKP5637   Mar-19-11 10:16 PM   #141 
     - Frankly with or without the draft we are screwed, as with most things, because  RKP5637   Mar-19-11 02:26 PM   #57 
  - How long did protests go on during Vietnam before that war ended?  Forkboy   Mar-19-11 01:19 PM   #14 
  - For years, through 50,000 deaths. And it was Watergate that  pnwmom   Mar-19-11 01:50 PM   #43 
     - 58,000 deaths  reggie the dog   Mar-19-11 03:24 PM   #86 
     - No, it was not. - perhaps you are thinking of the Pentagon Papers.  kiva   Mar-19-11 03:35 PM   #94 
        - The first reports related to Watergate came out months before  pnwmom   Mar-19-11 06:06 PM   #121 
           - Everything he said and did shows that he had no  kiva   Mar-19-11 07:45 PM   #138 
  - I protested against the draft in the 60's, but we  lob1   Mar-19-11 01:35 PM   #28 
  - The protests didn't end the war. Nixon only negotiated  pnwmom   Mar-19-11 01:53 PM   #46 
     - it wasn't after Watergate, why do you keep repeating this misinformation?  bettyellen   Mar-20-11 07:48 AM   #147 
  - Wrong. We had years of protests in Vietnam, and 50,000 soldiers  pnwmom   Mar-19-11 01:49 PM   #41 
  - +1  Poll_Blind   Mar-19-11 02:01 PM   #51 
  - That's a big gamble. Didn't work for Vietnam.  dorkulon   Mar-19-11 02:50 PM   #72 
  - He is most likely is a DINO with no kids.  RC   Mar-19-11 01:15 PM   #9 
  - No, he's a black man who sees how the poor and minorities are  undeterred   Mar-19-11 01:17 PM   #13 
  - He is a black man who was drafted for Korea  nadinbrzezinski   Mar-19-11 06:57 PM   #135 
  - Rangel's been on this hobby horse for years  KamaAina   Mar-23-11 11:23 AM   #165 
  - Whaaat??  HappyMe   Mar-19-11 01:14 PM   #6 
  - No, what we should do is cap oil company profits, and start taxing the fuck out of them.  Initech   Mar-19-11 01:15 PM   #8 
  - i just can't agree  2gabby   Mar-19-11 01:22 PM   #16 
  - Welcome to DU!  undeterred   Mar-19-11 01:24 PM   #18 
  - oh, gee thank you :)  2gabby   Mar-19-11 02:46 PM   #67 
  - Welcome to DU, 2gabby! (Love the name.) I actually would be for the draft BUT  tpsbmam   Mar-19-11 04:07 PM   #102 
     - wish i could agree with u :)  2gabby   Mar-19-11 04:56 PM   #109 
  - Yes  Aerows   Mar-19-11 01:22 PM   #17 
  - +1  Supply Side Jesus   Mar-19-11 01:25 PM   #19 
  - It Would Cause More Wars  AndyTiedye   Mar-19-11 01:41 PM   #34 
  - How would they end? nt  ZombieHorde   Mar-19-11 01:42 PM   #36 
     - With protests and open revolt in the street n/t  Aerows   Mar-19-11 01:58 PM   #48 
        - I know I can't predict the future, but I don't think the US government would  ZombieHorde   Mar-19-11 02:49 PM   #70 
  - Do you want the US to have a standing army or don't you?  Agony   Mar-19-11 01:25 PM   #20 
  - I'd rather have it sitting down and not leaving our shores.  Better Believe It   Mar-19-11 01:27 PM   #22 
  - +1 or +10000000 or whatever means that I agree with you nt  Agony   Mar-19-11 01:29 PM   #25 
  - okay, i have to  2gabby   Mar-19-11 01:33 PM   #27 
  - The problem is, ALL won't end up serving.  HappyMe   Mar-19-11 01:35 PM   #29 
  - Not as long as we insist on being the worlds policeman and interfering where  RC   Mar-19-11 01:39 PM   #33 
  - I think we should let them have some chairs.  verges   Mar-19-11 01:43 PM   #37 
  - You can have a standing army made of of volunteers, as it is now.  pnwmom   Mar-19-11 01:46 PM   #39 
  - you first  lame54   Mar-23-11 11:23 AM   #166 
  - Other.. mandatory military service for all  Motown_Johnny   Mar-19-11 01:26 PM   #21 
  - Make sure the rich have some skin in the game.  Jackpine Radical   Mar-19-11 01:36 PM   #30 
  - Only if all the Congresspeople' kids are the first to be drafted. (n/t)  LAGC   Mar-19-11 01:38 PM   #31 
  - No, I strongly disapprove of a draft.  ZombieHorde   Mar-19-11 01:39 PM   #32 
  - Has anyone else noticed the gender-neutral language in this letter?  kiva   Mar-19-11 01:41 PM   #35 
  - It would only make it EASIER to send men and women to  pnwmom   Mar-19-11 01:55 PM   #47 
  - Your second paragraph says it all.  kiva   Mar-19-11 02:00 PM   #49 
  - The ability of the military to staff an army with volunteers  undeterred   Mar-19-11 02:11 PM   #53 
  - Your second paragraph says it all.  kiva   Mar-19-11 02:00 PM   #50 
  - yes  2gabby   Mar-19-11 02:14 PM   #54 
     - Your thinking reminds me of someone...  timtom   Mar-20-11 06:12 AM   #144 
        - that gave me a chuckle, this grim am  2gabby   Mar-20-11 09:55 AM   #149 
  - People who support this haven't learned from history.  pnwmom   Mar-19-11 01:43 PM   #38 
  - Nobody knows for sure what the consequences would be  undeterred   Mar-19-11 01:49 PM   #42 
  - Other. Universal national service  MH1   Mar-19-11 01:48 PM   #40 
  - NO! More Cannon Fodder = More Wars!  AndyTiedye   Mar-19-11 01:51 PM   #44 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Mar-19-11 02:05 PM   #52 
  - Anyone that voted YES is a vile human being and shouldn't be allowed to breathe my air. nt  Modern_Matthew   Mar-19-11 02:27 PM   #58 
  - Well. That's constructive.  undeterred   Mar-19-11 02:30 PM   #59 
  - Yeah, well. It's not very constructive forcing people into war, either.  Modern_Matthew   Mar-19-11 02:33 PM   #62 
  - Anyone who voted YES should be drafted first! n/t  jacquelope   Mar-19-11 03:24 PM   #85 
  - Yes and so should indentured servitude and slavery.  timtom   Mar-19-11 02:30 PM   #60 
  - How else are we supposed to protect the investments of the wealthiest 1%?  Marr   Mar-19-11 02:32 PM   #61 
  - War exploits men.  undeterred   Mar-19-11 02:36 PM   #63 
  - Is this poll being rigged by freepers?  Youth Uprising   Mar-19-11 02:39 PM   #64 
  - I only linked to provide a quote from Rangel's letter  undeterred   Mar-19-11 02:46 PM   #68 
  - No, I voted yes for the same reason Rangle proposed this -  kiva   Mar-19-11 02:47 PM   #69 
  - Exactly!  undeterred   Mar-19-11 02:54 PM   #74 
  - How about a special war tax? That'll get their attention.  Auggie   Mar-19-11 03:19 PM   #83 
     - A war tax should have been passed on day 1  OmahaBlueDog   Mar-20-11 01:46 AM   #143 
  - It's gotta be the freepers.  jacquelope   Mar-20-11 01:39 AM   #142 
  - Many think a draft will reduce the number of wars  hack89   Mar-20-11 07:21 AM   #145 
  - Who here with children are willing to have them risk their lives by being involuntarily drafted?  elocs   Mar-19-11 02:45 PM   #65 
  - A draft would NEVER be fairly implemented  Urban Prairie   Mar-19-11 02:45 PM   #66 
  - maybe our military ought to focus on real threats  2gabby   Mar-19-11 03:07 PM   #75 
  - I'm tired of this country offering so many young people almost no other opportunities and then  Maru Kitteh   Mar-19-11 03:10 PM   #76 
  - What and let them be able to kill you for their greedy wars?  RegieRocker   Mar-19-11 03:12 PM   #79 
  - Very easy to avoid, smoke weed, fail the drug test, and stay out  reggie the dog   Mar-19-11 03:17 PM   #81 
  - why should my daughter or my nephew be turned into killers  reggie the dog   Mar-19-11 03:19 PM   #82 
  - Nixon wanted a volunteer army. Tell you anything?  mikehiggins   Mar-19-11 03:22 PM   #84 
  - The people who volunteer now are doing so because  undeterred   Mar-19-11 03:32 PM   #90 
  - oh my god...  shanti   Mar-19-11 03:26 PM   #88 
  - You'd be surprised  cemaphonic   Mar-19-11 05:30 PM   #113 
  - I'm surprised to see all the yes votes here  customerserviceguy   Mar-19-11 03:31 PM   #89 
  - Yes I would include women  nadinbrzezinski   Mar-19-11 03:34 PM   #91 
  - A bill to draft would have to include women  customerserviceguy   Mar-19-11 03:38 PM   #95 
     - After they finish their college they go into officer candidate school  nadinbrzezinski   Mar-19-11 03:50 PM   #99 
        - So, these look like the choices for someone with over six months  customerserviceguy   Mar-19-11 05:08 PM   #111 
  - The language of Rangels bill and letter is inclusive.  undeterred   Mar-19-11 03:34 PM   #92 
  - Yes, I can see that  customerserviceguy   Mar-19-11 03:40 PM   #96 
     - People voting for the draft here are against war.  undeterred   Mar-19-11 03:46 PM   #98 
     - So is putting in tax cuts for the rich  customerserviceguy   Mar-19-11 04:48 PM   #105 
     - I will use my nieces as examples  nadinbrzezinski   Mar-19-11 03:53 PM   #101 
        - With an inclusion of women into any draft bill  customerserviceguy   Mar-19-11 04:51 PM   #107 
  - DU has always voted this way for the draft  Renew Deal   Mar-20-11 04:41 PM   #157 
  - Should the institution of slavery be brought back?  fittosurvive   Mar-19-11 03:34 PM   #93 
  - Good comparison n/t  customerserviceguy   Mar-19-11 03:41 PM   #97 
  - No, its not.  undeterred   Mar-19-11 03:51 PM   #100 
     - but  2gabby   Mar-19-11 04:18 PM   #103 
     - How is drafting everyone more unfair to some than to others?  undeterred   Mar-19-11 05:46 PM   #116 
        - Sounds like the argument the Rethuglicans use  customerserviceguy   Mar-19-11 06:24 PM   #128 
        - I have no idea how that has anything to do with this.  undeterred   Mar-19-11 06:31 PM   #129 
           - It's the idea of  customerserviceguy   Mar-19-11 07:00 PM   #137 
        - yes, i think some people want to join, its volunteer now  2gabby   Mar-19-11 07:45 PM   #139 
     - If this ever happens  customerserviceguy   Mar-19-11 04:46 PM   #104 
        - "Playing strategy with innocent people's lives is something the Republicons like to do"  wickerwoman   Mar-19-11 05:43 PM   #115 
        - Thank you  customerserviceguy   Mar-19-11 06:49 PM   #132 
        - There should be no college deferrments  undeterred   Mar-19-11 05:49 PM   #118 
           - Ah, but there always will be  customerserviceguy   Mar-19-11 06:21 PM   #127 
  - YES! People would then rise up and demand an end to low wages !!111  leftstreet   Mar-19-11 06:11 PM   #124 
  - Once again, no, Rangel. Young people are not political bargaining chips. n/t  Akoto   Mar-19-11 04:48 PM   #106 
  - Hell no. My kids won't be fighting in these wars of imperialism. End the effing wars.  krabigirl   Mar-19-11 05:10 PM   #112 
  - No. The state does not have the right to compel people to serve it.  wickerwoman   Mar-19-11 05:40 PM   #114 
  - there should be a public referendum on all wars  Bardley   Mar-19-11 05:48 PM   #117 
  - Don't like the secret ballot concept, eh?  Marengo   Mar-20-11 10:12 AM   #153 
  - Yes, but open regsitration only to  demwing   Mar-19-11 06:09 PM   #122 
  - Our command structure and current social attitude...  BOHICA12   Mar-19-11 06:09 PM   #123 
  - The military is getting ready to actively decrease its ranks  joe_sixpack   Mar-19-11 06:17 PM   #125 
  - Only if  madamesilverspurs   Mar-19-11 06:36 PM   #130 
  - This isn't Israel, Mr. Rangel, and I don't think emulating them is the best thing.  Arkana   Mar-19-11 06:49 PM   #131 
  - Absolutely not  NuclearDem   Mar-19-11 06:55 PM   #133 
  - no, it is morally wrong to draft people to kill other people  pitohui   Mar-19-11 06:55 PM   #134 
  - Why?  ileus   Mar-19-11 06:59 PM   #136 
  - We can't afford it - it would explode the defense budget.  hack89   Mar-20-11 07:26 AM   #146 
  - Funny thing about fishing . . . . it never works out so well for the BAIT.  HughBeaumont   Mar-20-11 08:00 AM   #148 
  - oh that's the best one, the bait  2gabby   Mar-20-11 10:02 AM   #151 
  - Thinking more about what you said. Nationwide strike is what its gonna take  2gabby   Mar-20-11 10:11 AM   #152 
  - Yes, with no loopholes.  sarcasmo   Mar-20-11 09:57 AM   #150 
  - kicking for those who missed it  undeterred   Mar-20-11 04:05 PM   #154 
  - This is a very silly, wrong-headed idea.  sibelian   Mar-20-11 04:09 PM   #155 
  - Thanks for your opinion.  undeterred   Mar-20-11 04:35 PM   #156 
  - yes  handmade34   Mar-20-11 04:41 PM   #158 
  - Liberals who vote "yes" because they think that the draft will create an upswell against a war  The Backlash Cometh   Mar-20-11 04:43 PM   #159 
  - End the fucking wars! n/t  Chemical Bill   Mar-20-11 04:44 PM   #160 
  - Aside from "getting even" with the well-to-do, I don't see why we need a draft.  Blue-Jay   Mar-20-11 04:56 PM   #161 
  - Yeah, how about I'LL decide when I want to die in a war. ~nt  CommonSensePLZ   Mar-20-11 06:31 PM   #162 
  - hell no. Ending wars by giving more bodies to throw into it is an asinine idea.  uppityperson   Mar-23-11 11:12 AM   #163 
  - We don't want our children turned into killers ...unless they enlist. pfffft!  L0oniX   Mar-23-11 11:19 AM   #164 
  - Yup. See how quickly the gung-ho wingnuts change their tune after Johnny Tea Patriot has to put his  truebrit71   Mar-23-11 11:26 AM   #168 

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