2gabby
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Sat Mar-19-11 04:18 PM
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The people most affected by a draft will be the people who didn't want to join the military. And the people most opposed to the military, maybe like a lot of people on here, will be the most unfairly forced to join. Forced to support a killing machine.
I guess what I'm saying is that you BETTER keep in mind that the people who oppose war, many young liberal progressives, would be the most hurt by a draft. You would hurt good nonviolent young people the most. Period. And, hurting them as policy might not be good. Won't make them love their country, trust their government, or improve their health. They wouldn't be the same, and it would be your fault, not theirs. It's not shared responsibility, its shared tragedy.
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| -Should the military draft be brought back? |
undeterred |
Mar-19-11 01:06 PM |
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let's do it Roman style. Draft only the rich. |
provis99 |
Mar-19-11 01:08 PM |
#1 |
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and make the poor slaves? |
Motown_Johnny |
Mar-19-11 01:28 PM |
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They also drafted the poor |
WatsonT |
Mar-19-11 01:33 PM |
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Well that part has already been done, so no action required there. |
lonestarnot |
Mar-19-11 03:12 PM |
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I maybe wouldn't mind that. |
lonestarnot |
Mar-19-11 03:11 PM |
#77 |
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They should be forced to surrender their assets while they serve too. |
Xenotime |
Mar-23-11 11:24 AM |
#167 |
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It should be 18-40, if it is anything at all. |
GodlessBiker |
Mar-19-11 01:09 PM |
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It should be draft supporters ONLY, if anything at all. n/t |
jacquelope |
Mar-19-11 02:51 PM |
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Yes. And, a book of matches should be issued with every draft card to burn it with. |
Tierra_y_Libertad |
Mar-19-11 01:09 PM |
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It would definitely IMO keep more of the country in focus on what is going on if |
RKP5637 |
Mar-19-11 01:16 PM |
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NO ONE GIVES A SHIT |
leftstreet |
Mar-19-11 01:21 PM |
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The government is spending 2BILLION DOLLARS a week in Afghanistan! |
undeterred |
Mar-19-11 01:27 PM |
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That "is" the bottom line, no one gives a shit about anything in America anymore. n/t |
RKP5637 |
Mar-19-11 02:15 PM |
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And somehow... |
Aerows |
Mar-19-11 06:00 PM |
#119 |
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+100,000,000 !!! |
jacquelope |
Mar-19-11 03:13 PM |
#80 |
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use the match to light a joint and you would be undraftable |
reggie the dog |
Mar-19-11 03:25 PM |
#87 |
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I was opposed to the draft in the '60s also, and I can't believe I just voted for it. |
Raksha |
Mar-19-11 04:53 PM |
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You have a draft and more poor boys die in even more rich man's wars. |
glen123098 |
Mar-19-11 05:04 PM |
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HELL NO! My son turned 18 4 days ago. No military can have him. Sorry. n/t |
in_cog_ni_to |
Mar-19-11 01:10 PM |
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I just ADOPTED a baby boy last month NO WAY IN HELL!!!! |
jacquelope |
Mar-19-11 02:50 PM |
#71 |
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Wait...you're saying a Democrat came up with this shit? |
leftstreet |
Mar-19-11 01:10 PM |
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The only way to stop these wars is to get people out to protest. |
undeterred |
Mar-19-11 01:14 PM |
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LOLLOL - yeah we never thought of that n/t |
leftstreet |
Mar-19-11 01:16 PM |
#11 |
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Exactly!!! n/t |
RKP5637 |
Mar-19-11 01:17 PM |
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Yeah, that really worked in Vietnam. 50,000 American deaths there, |
pnwmom |
Mar-19-11 01:52 PM |
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Do you feel the current wars are out of sight, out of mind for most Americans? n/t |
RKP5637 |
Mar-19-11 02:14 PM |
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I don't think draft-related protests would make any difference. |
pnwmom |
Mar-19-11 06:04 PM |
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I agree with your posts. If we protest the protesters become blamed just like in |
RKP5637 |
Mar-19-11 06:21 PM |
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Those nightly broadcasts did help. But Bush also put a lid on that |
pnwmom |
Mar-19-11 09:26 PM |
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Yep, out of sight, out of mind, no pictures of the coffins. US talks about other |
RKP5637 |
Mar-19-11 10:16 PM |
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Frankly with or without the draft we are screwed, as with most things, because |
RKP5637 |
Mar-19-11 02:26 PM |
#57 |
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How long did protests go on during Vietnam before that war ended? |
Forkboy |
Mar-19-11 01:19 PM |
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For years, through 50,000 deaths. And it was Watergate that |
pnwmom |
Mar-19-11 01:50 PM |
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58,000 deaths |
reggie the dog |
Mar-19-11 03:24 PM |
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No, it was not. - perhaps you are thinking of the Pentagon Papers. |
kiva |
Mar-19-11 03:35 PM |
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The first reports related to Watergate came out months before |
pnwmom |
Mar-19-11 06:06 PM |
#121 |
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Everything he said and did shows that he had no |
kiva |
Mar-19-11 07:45 PM |
#138 |
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I protested against the draft in the 60's, but we |
lob1 |
Mar-19-11 01:35 PM |
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The protests didn't end the war. Nixon only negotiated |
pnwmom |
Mar-19-11 01:53 PM |
#46 |
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it wasn't after Watergate, why do you keep repeating this misinformation? |
bettyellen |
Mar-20-11 07:48 AM |
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Wrong. We had years of protests in Vietnam, and 50,000 soldiers |
pnwmom |
Mar-19-11 01:49 PM |
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+1 |
Poll_Blind |
Mar-19-11 02:01 PM |
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That's a big gamble. Didn't work for Vietnam. |
dorkulon |
Mar-19-11 02:50 PM |
#72 |
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He is most likely is a DINO with no kids. |
RC |
Mar-19-11 01:15 PM |
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No, he's a black man who sees how the poor and minorities are |
undeterred |
Mar-19-11 01:17 PM |
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He is a black man who was drafted for Korea |
nadinbrzezinski |
Mar-19-11 06:57 PM |
#135 |
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Rangel's been on this hobby horse for years |
KamaAina |
Mar-23-11 11:23 AM |
#165 |
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Whaaat?? |
HappyMe |
Mar-19-11 01:14 PM |
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No, what we should do is cap oil company profits, and start taxing the fuck out of them. |
Initech |
Mar-19-11 01:15 PM |
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i just can't agree |
2gabby |
Mar-19-11 01:22 PM |
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Welcome to DU! |
undeterred |
Mar-19-11 01:24 PM |
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oh, gee thank you :) |
2gabby |
Mar-19-11 02:46 PM |
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Welcome to DU, 2gabby! (Love the name.) I actually would be for the draft BUT |
tpsbmam |
Mar-19-11 04:07 PM |
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wish i could agree with u :) |
2gabby |
Mar-19-11 04:56 PM |
#109 |
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Yes |
Aerows |
Mar-19-11 01:22 PM |
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+1 |
Supply Side Jesus |
Mar-19-11 01:25 PM |
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It Would Cause More Wars |
AndyTiedye |
Mar-19-11 01:41 PM |
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How would they end? nt |
ZombieHorde |
Mar-19-11 01:42 PM |
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With protests and open revolt in the street n/t |
Aerows |
Mar-19-11 01:58 PM |
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I know I can't predict the future, but I don't think the US government would |
ZombieHorde |
Mar-19-11 02:49 PM |
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Do you want the US to have a standing army or don't you? |
Agony |
Mar-19-11 01:25 PM |
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I'd rather have it sitting down and not leaving our shores. |
Better Believe It |
Mar-19-11 01:27 PM |
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+1 or +10000000 or whatever means that I agree with you nt |
Agony |
Mar-19-11 01:29 PM |
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okay, i have to |
2gabby |
Mar-19-11 01:33 PM |
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The problem is, ALL won't end up serving. |
HappyMe |
Mar-19-11 01:35 PM |
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Not as long as we insist on being the worlds policeman and interfering where |
RC |
Mar-19-11 01:39 PM |
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I think we should let them have some chairs. |
verges |
Mar-19-11 01:43 PM |
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You can have a standing army made of of volunteers, as it is now. |
pnwmom |
Mar-19-11 01:46 PM |
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you first |
lame54 |
Mar-23-11 11:23 AM |
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Other.. mandatory military service for all |
Motown_Johnny |
Mar-19-11 01:26 PM |
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Make sure the rich have some skin in the game. |
Jackpine Radical |
Mar-19-11 01:36 PM |
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Only if all the Congresspeople' kids are the first to be drafted. (n/t) |
LAGC |
Mar-19-11 01:38 PM |
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No, I strongly disapprove of a draft. |
ZombieHorde |
Mar-19-11 01:39 PM |
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Has anyone else noticed the gender-neutral language in this letter? |
kiva |
Mar-19-11 01:41 PM |
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It would only make it EASIER to send men and women to |
pnwmom |
Mar-19-11 01:55 PM |
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Your second paragraph says it all. |
kiva |
Mar-19-11 02:00 PM |
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The ability of the military to staff an army with volunteers |
undeterred |
Mar-19-11 02:11 PM |
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Your second paragraph says it all. |
kiva |
Mar-19-11 02:00 PM |
#50 |
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yes |
2gabby |
Mar-19-11 02:14 PM |
#54 |
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Your thinking reminds me of someone... |
timtom |
Mar-20-11 06:12 AM |
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that gave me a chuckle, this grim am |
2gabby |
Mar-20-11 09:55 AM |
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People who support this haven't learned from history. |
pnwmom |
Mar-19-11 01:43 PM |
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Nobody knows for sure what the consequences would be |
undeterred |
Mar-19-11 01:49 PM |
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Other. Universal national service |
MH1 |
Mar-19-11 01:48 PM |
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NO! More Cannon Fodder = More Wars! |
AndyTiedye |
Mar-19-11 01:51 PM |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Mar-19-11 02:05 PM |
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Anyone that voted YES is a vile human being and shouldn't be allowed to breathe my air. nt |
Modern_Matthew |
Mar-19-11 02:27 PM |
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Well. That's constructive. |
undeterred |
Mar-19-11 02:30 PM |
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Yeah, well. It's not very constructive forcing people into war, either. |
Modern_Matthew |
Mar-19-11 02:33 PM |
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Anyone who voted YES should be drafted first! n/t |
jacquelope |
Mar-19-11 03:24 PM |
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Yes and so should indentured servitude and slavery. |
timtom |
Mar-19-11 02:30 PM |
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How else are we supposed to protect the investments of the wealthiest 1%? |
Marr |
Mar-19-11 02:32 PM |
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War exploits men. |
undeterred |
Mar-19-11 02:36 PM |
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Is this poll being rigged by freepers? |
Youth Uprising |
Mar-19-11 02:39 PM |
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I only linked to provide a quote from Rangel's letter |
undeterred |
Mar-19-11 02:46 PM |
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No, I voted yes for the same reason Rangle proposed this - |
kiva |
Mar-19-11 02:47 PM |
#69 |
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Exactly! |
undeterred |
Mar-19-11 02:54 PM |
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How about a special war tax? That'll get their attention. |
Auggie |
Mar-19-11 03:19 PM |
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A war tax should have been passed on day 1 |
OmahaBlueDog |
Mar-20-11 01:46 AM |
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It's gotta be the freepers. |
jacquelope |
Mar-20-11 01:39 AM |
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Many think a draft will reduce the number of wars |
hack89 |
Mar-20-11 07:21 AM |
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Who here with children are willing to have them risk their lives by being involuntarily drafted? |
elocs |
Mar-19-11 02:45 PM |
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A draft would NEVER be fairly implemented |
Urban Prairie |
Mar-19-11 02:45 PM |
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maybe our military ought to focus on real threats |
2gabby |
Mar-19-11 03:07 PM |
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I'm tired of this country offering so many young people almost no other opportunities and then |
Maru Kitteh |
Mar-19-11 03:10 PM |
#76 |
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What and let them be able to kill you for their greedy wars? |
RegieRocker |
Mar-19-11 03:12 PM |
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Very easy to avoid, smoke weed, fail the drug test, and stay out |
reggie the dog |
Mar-19-11 03:17 PM |
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why should my daughter or my nephew be turned into killers |
reggie the dog |
Mar-19-11 03:19 PM |
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Nixon wanted a volunteer army. Tell you anything? |
mikehiggins |
Mar-19-11 03:22 PM |
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The people who volunteer now are doing so because |
undeterred |
Mar-19-11 03:32 PM |
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oh my god... |
shanti |
Mar-19-11 03:26 PM |
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You'd be surprised |
cemaphonic |
Mar-19-11 05:30 PM |
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I'm surprised to see all the yes votes here |
customerserviceguy |
Mar-19-11 03:31 PM |
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Yes I would include women |
nadinbrzezinski |
Mar-19-11 03:34 PM |
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A bill to draft would have to include women |
customerserviceguy |
Mar-19-11 03:38 PM |
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After they finish their college they go into officer candidate school |
nadinbrzezinski |
Mar-19-11 03:50 PM |
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So, these look like the choices for someone with over six months |
customerserviceguy |
Mar-19-11 05:08 PM |
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The language of Rangels bill and letter is inclusive. |
undeterred |
Mar-19-11 03:34 PM |
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Yes, I can see that |
customerserviceguy |
Mar-19-11 03:40 PM |
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People voting for the draft here are against war. |
undeterred |
Mar-19-11 03:46 PM |
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So is putting in tax cuts for the rich |
customerserviceguy |
Mar-19-11 04:48 PM |
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I will use my nieces as examples |
nadinbrzezinski |
Mar-19-11 03:53 PM |
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With an inclusion of women into any draft bill |
customerserviceguy |
Mar-19-11 04:51 PM |
#107 |
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DU has always voted this way for the draft |
Renew Deal |
Mar-20-11 04:41 PM |
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Should the institution of slavery be brought back? |
fittosurvive |
Mar-19-11 03:34 PM |
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Good comparison n/t |
customerserviceguy |
Mar-19-11 03:41 PM |
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No, its not. |
undeterred |
Mar-19-11 03:51 PM |
#100 |
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but |
2gabby |
Mar-19-11 04:18 PM |
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How is drafting everyone more unfair to some than to others? |
undeterred |
Mar-19-11 05:46 PM |
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Sounds like the argument the Rethuglicans use |
customerserviceguy |
Mar-19-11 06:24 PM |
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I have no idea how that has anything to do with this. |
undeterred |
Mar-19-11 06:31 PM |
#129 |
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It's the idea of |
customerserviceguy |
Mar-19-11 07:00 PM |
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yes, i think some people want to join, its volunteer now |
2gabby |
Mar-19-11 07:45 PM |
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If this ever happens |
customerserviceguy |
Mar-19-11 04:46 PM |
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"Playing strategy with innocent people's lives is something the Republicons like to do" |
wickerwoman |
Mar-19-11 05:43 PM |
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Thank you |
customerserviceguy |
Mar-19-11 06:49 PM |
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There should be no college deferrments |
undeterred |
Mar-19-11 05:49 PM |
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Ah, but there always will be |
customerserviceguy |
Mar-19-11 06:21 PM |
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YES! People would then rise up and demand an end to low wages !!111 |
leftstreet |
Mar-19-11 06:11 PM |
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Once again, no, Rangel. Young people are not political bargaining chips. n/t |
Akoto |
Mar-19-11 04:48 PM |
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Hell no. My kids won't be fighting in these wars of imperialism. End the effing wars. |
krabigirl |
Mar-19-11 05:10 PM |
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No. The state does not have the right to compel people to serve it. |
wickerwoman |
Mar-19-11 05:40 PM |
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there should be a public referendum on all wars |
Bardley |
Mar-19-11 05:48 PM |
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Don't like the secret ballot concept, eh? |
Marengo |
Mar-20-11 10:12 AM |
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Yes, but open regsitration only to |
demwing |
Mar-19-11 06:09 PM |
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Our command structure and current social attitude... |
BOHICA12 |
Mar-19-11 06:09 PM |
#123 |
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The military is getting ready to actively decrease its ranks |
joe_sixpack |
Mar-19-11 06:17 PM |
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Only if |
madamesilverspurs |
Mar-19-11 06:36 PM |
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This isn't Israel, Mr. Rangel, and I don't think emulating them is the best thing. |
Arkana |
Mar-19-11 06:49 PM |
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Absolutely not |
NuclearDem |
Mar-19-11 06:55 PM |
#133 |
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no, it is morally wrong to draft people to kill other people |
pitohui |
Mar-19-11 06:55 PM |
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Why? |
ileus |
Mar-19-11 06:59 PM |
#136 |
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We can't afford it - it would explode the defense budget. |
hack89 |
Mar-20-11 07:26 AM |
#146 |
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Funny thing about fishing . . . . it never works out so well for the BAIT. |
HughBeaumont |
Mar-20-11 08:00 AM |
#148 |
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oh that's the best one, the bait |
2gabby |
Mar-20-11 10:02 AM |
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Thinking more about what you said. Nationwide strike is what its gonna take |
2gabby |
Mar-20-11 10:11 AM |
#152 |
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Yes, with no loopholes. |
sarcasmo |
Mar-20-11 09:57 AM |
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kicking for those who missed it |
undeterred |
Mar-20-11 04:05 PM |
#154 |
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This is a very silly, wrong-headed idea. |
sibelian |
Mar-20-11 04:09 PM |
#155 |
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Thanks for your opinion. |
undeterred |
Mar-20-11 04:35 PM |
#156 |
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yes |
handmade34 |
Mar-20-11 04:41 PM |
#158 |
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Liberals who vote "yes" because they think that the draft will create an upswell against a war |
The Backlash Cometh |
Mar-20-11 04:43 PM |
#159 |
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End the fucking wars! n/t |
Chemical Bill |
Mar-20-11 04:44 PM |
#160 |
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Aside from "getting even" with the well-to-do, I don't see why we need a draft. |
Blue-Jay |
Mar-20-11 04:56 PM |
#161 |
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Yeah, how about I'LL decide when I want to die in a war. ~nt |
CommonSensePLZ |
Mar-20-11 06:31 PM |
#162 |
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hell no. Ending wars by giving more bodies to throw into it is an asinine idea. |
uppityperson |
Mar-23-11 11:12 AM |
#163 |
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We don't want our children turned into killers ...unless they enlist. pfffft! |
L0oniX |
Mar-23-11 11:19 AM |
#164 |
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Yup. See how quickly the gung-ho wingnuts change their tune after Johnny Tea Patriot has to put his |
truebrit71 |
Mar-23-11 11:26 AM |
#168 |
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