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themadstork Donating Member (797 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-11 01:25 PM
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131. I mainly meant the way
In which the military and the CIA can themselves decide when the violation of human rights is OK. The official reasoning here seems to be that because he is a military prisoner, this sort of treatment is allowed. That's bullshit. The party in position to violate human rights should never be the party deciding when we can morally (if ever) do so.
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  -Straight up...do YOU believe that Bradley Manning deserves this treatment? Ken Burch  Mar-13-11 11:19 PM   #0 
  - No and Hell No...He's not been convincted of anything. n/t  whathehell   Mar-13-11 11:21 PM   #1 
  - there is a very well known murder case....  Clio the Leo   Mar-14-11 12:16 AM   #48 
     - This isn't about "sleeping nude"!  pacalo   Mar-14-11 02:08 AM   #102 
     - What was his name?  whathehell   Mar-14-11 02:31 AM   #111 
  - No. A million times NO.  emilyg   Mar-13-11 11:22 PM   #2 
  - I don't believe any human deserves that treatment  OneHalfNote   Mar-13-11 11:23 PM   #3 
  - I think he deserves a medal and a statue on the D.C. Mall for public service.  Tierra_y_Libertad   Mar-13-11 11:23 PM   #4 
  - OT somewhat, but Daniel Ellsburg has famously said that we will  coalition_unwilling   Mar-14-11 05:01 PM   #166 
  - No. Of course not.  NoTimeToulouse   Mar-13-11 11:23 PM   #5 
  - he has access to legal counsel, and has had access for quite some time-  Bluerthanblue   Mar-13-11 11:39 PM   #21 
     - Mere detainment isn't the issue, it's the *treatment*. The nudity without the benefit of  pacalo   Mar-14-11 02:16 AM   #104 
        - did you read the link to information from his own attorney?  Bluerthanblue   Mar-14-11 07:34 AM   #118 
           - I get my "claims" from reading about his treatment.  pacalo   Mar-14-11 06:27 PM   #169 
              - the articles you cite are fine .. but  Bluerthanblue   Mar-14-11 08:47 PM   #172 
                 - I was unaware that there are prison sentences of "life in solitary". Have we sunk THAT far?  pacalo   Mar-14-11 09:06 PM   #174 
                 - Please see my post at #102 for updated info. The info you gave is from 12/10.  pacalo   Mar-14-11 09:16 PM   #175 
  - NO  jwirr   Mar-13-11 11:23 PM   #6 
  - No  Canuckistanian   Mar-13-11 11:25 PM   #7 
  - Not just no.........FUCK NO.  CaliforniaPeggy   Mar-13-11 11:25 PM   #8 
  - No! Due process without torture. nt  madmax   Mar-13-11 11:25 PM   #9 
  - No, no one does whether or not they have already been found guilty  csziggy   Mar-13-11 11:27 PM   #10 
  - No. I will not be voting for Obama in 2012 because of this issue - n/t  coalition_unwilling   Mar-13-11 11:28 PM   #11 
  - NO - his treatment is an abomination  BillyJack   Mar-13-11 11:29 PM   #12 
  - NO!  Poll_Blind   Mar-13-11 11:29 PM   #13 
  - No.  Gemini Cat   Mar-13-11 11:30 PM   #14 
  - Apparently by minimizing torturous acts as though it's just another day in the Mayberry jail.  pacalo   Mar-14-11 02:21 AM   #106 
  - No. Not under any circumstances.  1monster   Mar-13-11 11:31 PM   #15 
  - NO!!  Maraya1969   Mar-13-11 11:34 PM   #16 
  - NO! Completely disagree with torture -- nation has always disagree with it -- so has military!!  defendandprotect   Mar-13-11 11:37 PM   #17 
  - Under no circumstances is torture acceptable.  Dawson Leery   Mar-13-11 11:38 PM   #18 
  - He absolutely does not! Nobody deserves such treatment,  kas125   Mar-13-11 11:38 PM   #19 
  - no  Snoutport   Mar-13-11 11:38 PM   #20 
  - NO!  slay   Mar-13-11 11:41 PM   #22 
  - NO!  Joe Bacon   Mar-13-11 11:41 PM   #23 
  - Who? Obama doesn't know what's going on.  Mimosa   Mar-13-11 11:50 PM   #30 
  - Well that's what happens to treasoners  BluegrassDem   Mar-13-11 11:42 PM   #24 
  - Manning didn't commit treason, he most likely EXPOSED the treason of others.  BillyJack   Mar-13-11 11:46 PM   #26 
  - Prove treason. Presumption of innocence.  Hissyspit   Mar-13-11 11:48 PM   #28 
  - Didn't he admit to doing it?  Shiver   Mar-14-11 02:31 AM   #110 
     - Chat logs were released. They could be forged.  Hissyspit   Mar-14-11 03:06 AM   #116 
  - Congratulations! You've just endorsed the use of torture as an  coalition_unwilling   Mar-13-11 11:59 PM   #37 
  - And mine.  dixiegrrrrl   Mar-14-11 11:35 AM   #124 
  - And mine.  Hong Kong Cavalier   Mar-14-11 03:07 PM   #138 
  - Have you checked to make sure you know the definition of "treasoner"?  EFerrari   Mar-14-11 12:21 AM   #51 
  - You mean they took away Harry Treasoner's underwear at night?  Ken Burch   Mar-14-11 01:53 AM   #94 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Mar-14-11 02:01 AM   #100 
  - Really? So Cheney, Rove and Scooter Libby who outed a covert  walldude   Mar-14-11 08:17 AM   #123 
  - You'll have your fair trial and then be shot!  neverforget   Mar-14-11 03:12 PM   #141 
  - Dude... that's not even a word. nt.  druidity33   Mar-14-11 06:29 PM   #170 
  - No.  midnight   Mar-13-11 11:44 PM   #25 
  - No.  pinkkillersheep   Mar-13-11 11:46 PM   #27 
  - Hey if you were Manning or a prisoner in Guantanemo (sp?) or just  BillyJack   Mar-13-11 11:59 PM   #38 
     - I do care and would be more than willing to fight for his legal rights.  pinkkillersheep   Mar-14-11 12:38 AM   #69 
  - Yes. Obama answered this question straight up.  hardcover   Mar-13-11 11:50 PM   #29 
  - And Obama wouldn't lie to us, would he?  Mimosa   Mar-13-11 11:51 PM   #33 
  - No. He said he had been assured by the Pentagram that the treatment  EFerrari   Mar-14-11 12:22 AM   #52 
  - You trust him when he says people DESERVE to be persecuted?  Ken Burch   Mar-14-11 01:54 AM   #95 
  - Is that you, Brittney?  PassingFair   Mar-14-11 08:09 AM   #120 
  - no!  shanti   Mar-13-11 11:50 PM   #31 
  - Nope. And I don't see this as a progressive administration.  Lucinda   Mar-13-11 11:51 PM   #32 
  - Yes,  Hamlette   Mar-13-11 11:53 PM   #34 
  - Mannings Father Condemns Treatment of Imprisoned Son  EFerrari   Mar-14-11 12:25 AM   #54 
     - the article cherry picks the interview and its title is completely misleading  Hamlette   Mar-14-11 02:15 AM   #103 
  - I don't know how he's being treated  veganlush   Mar-13-11 11:58 PM   #35 
  - That is right. We don't know. I'm not going to take the word of a lawyer or a distraught father  hardcover   Mar-14-11 12:08 AM   #43 
     - The Pentagon already copped to it. Try again. n/t  EFerrari   Mar-14-11 12:34 AM   #67 
     - +1  chill_wind   Mar-14-11 01:11 AM   #80 
     - Copped to what? That he is on suicide watch?  Travelman   Mar-14-11 12:06 PM   #127 
     - They take his shorts away at night.  Ken Burch   Mar-14-11 01:13 AM   #81 
     - The Army ADMITTED they take his underwear away at night.  Ken Burch   Mar-14-11 01:51 AM   #92 
     - But you'd take the word of the military-industrial complex?  Ken Burch   Mar-14-11 01:55 AM   #96 
  - No, absolutely not!  ananda   Mar-13-11 11:59 PM   #36 
  - Hell No!  DeSwiss   Mar-13-11 11:59 PM   #39 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Mar-14-11 12:03 AM   #40 
  - Oh give me a break......boooyah for the "sleep suit"  BillyJack   Mar-14-11 12:08 AM   #44 
  - Even that story has falsehood in it. He NEVER had to be naked. He was allowed to keep his shorts on.  hardcover   Mar-14-11 12:14 AM   #46 
  - Really? First Lt Brian Villiard states the brig commander decided otherwise.  chill_wind   Mar-14-11 12:43 AM   #75 
  - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Mar-14-11 12:36 AM   #68 
  - He shouldn't be on suicide watch at all  Ken Burch   Mar-14-11 01:49 AM   #90 
  - Yes, there is a good reason not to have his trial immediately.  Travelman   Mar-14-11 12:26 PM   #129 
     - You've already convicted him in your mind  Ken Burch   Mar-14-11 02:58 PM   #135 
        - Well, first you need to get your shit straight  Travelman   Mar-14-11 03:29 PM   #142 
           - You can't really compare Bradley Manning to Jared Loughner  Ken Burch   Mar-14-11 03:38 PM   #145 
           - You called him a traitor.  Ken Burch   Mar-14-11 03:39 PM   #146 
              - "Secrecy never helps the people."  Travelman   Mar-14-11 03:59 PM   #151 
                 - Secrecy in GOVERNMENT...personal secrecy is different.  Ken Burch   Mar-14-11 04:03 PM   #153 
                    - Oh. So now it's just government secrecy.  Travelman   Mar-14-11 04:46 PM   #163 
                       - All weaponry instructions are available by now anyway.  Ken Burch   Mar-14-11 05:03 PM   #168 
  - An apology because he now wears a dorky green potato sack?!  pacalo   Mar-14-11 02:30 AM   #109 
  - Hell No  bahrbearian   Mar-14-11 12:06 AM   #41 
  - I think of it like this  Zanzoobar   Mar-14-11 12:07 AM   #42 
  - Nope - he wasn't "taken to the bank"  BillyJack   Mar-14-11 12:17 AM   #49 
  - 'splain, Ricky.  Zanzoobar   Mar-14-11 12:29 AM   #59 
  - That is the most ignorant shit I've heard on DU...  johnroshan   Mar-14-11 12:40 AM   #73 
  - Good luck changing military protocol  Zanzoobar   Mar-14-11 12:45 AM   #78 
  - "he jumped into a meat grinder"? that's a pretty despicable thing to say  Ken Burch   Mar-14-11 01:58 AM   #97 
  - To be honest, there's stuff going on we may not know about.  cecilfirefox   Mar-14-11 12:14 AM   #45 
  - Finally, someone who makes sense. Except for the naked part. He was not naked.  hardcover   Mar-14-11 12:17 AM   #50 
  - Yes, they are using forced nudity on him, just like in Abu Graib.  EFerrari   Mar-14-11 12:32 AM   #63 
  - Will you stop the insistent bull---t already?  chill_wind   Mar-14-11 01:29 AM   #84 
  - The Army ADMITTED they took away his underwear at night.  Ken Burch   Mar-14-11 01:50 AM   #91 
  - The army ADMITTED they took his underwear STOP LYING.  Ken Burch   Mar-14-11 01:59 AM   #98 
  - Planet earth calling...  pacalo   Mar-14-11 02:36 AM   #112 
  - "I really wish folks would stop treating him like a hero."  Clio the Leo   Mar-14-11 12:25 AM   #55 
  - Even if the only thing he'd leaked was the video  EFerrari   Mar-14-11 12:29 AM   #58 
  - Punitive pre-trial detention is illegal in this country. n/t  EFerrari   Mar-14-11 12:26 AM   #56 
  - How utterly asinine  Travelman   Mar-14-11 12:13 PM   #128 
  - "The man is a criminal" you say.  BillyJack   Mar-14-11 12:29 AM   #60 
  - I do believe in that concept, BUT  cecilfirefox   Mar-14-11 12:32 AM   #64 
     - It's not just a "concept", it's the law.  EFerrari   Mar-14-11 12:38 AM   #70 
  - He isn't a "criminal" unless he's actually been convicted of a crime.  Ken Burch   Mar-14-11 01:47 AM   #89 
  - No  jannyk   Mar-14-11 12:15 AM   #47 
  - No.  steve2470   Mar-14-11 12:24 AM   #53 
  - hell no  libodem   Mar-14-11 12:29 AM   #57 
  - Hell no!!!  Raksha   Mar-14-11 12:30 AM   #61 
  - No. And I don't give a flying fuck if it's a mlitary court  themadstork   Mar-14-11 12:31 AM   #62 
  - I was in the military  Zanzoobar   Mar-14-11 12:42 AM   #74 
     - I mainly meant the way  themadstork   Mar-14-11 01:25 PM   #131 
  - No. The unhumane treatment of Bradley Manning goes beyond the degrading forced nudity  chill_wind   Mar-14-11 12:32 AM   #65 
  - No..he hasn't even been tried or convicted yet, but no, he doesn't deserve to be tortured!  krabigirl   Mar-14-11 12:34 AM   #66 
  - Absolutely not. n/t  Unvanguard   Mar-14-11 12:38 AM   #71 
  - No.  highplainsdem   Mar-14-11 12:40 AM   #72 
  - It is shameful. But the plutarchy can't have peasants exposing  Zorra   Mar-14-11 12:43 AM   #76 
  - No, he does not  Oilwellian   Mar-14-11 12:45 AM   #77 
  - I feel like I don't know what is going on.  ZombieHorde   Mar-14-11 01:10 AM   #79 
  - Absolutely not!  timtom   Mar-14-11 01:15 AM   #82 
  - Absolutely not. n/t  Beam Me Up   Mar-14-11 01:21 AM   #83 
  - Absolutely Not! nt  Raine   Mar-14-11 01:29 AM   #85 
  - Not even if he's guilty of leaking the docs.  grahamhgreen   Mar-14-11 01:29 AM   #86 
  - No! No excuses  donheld   Mar-14-11 01:39 AM   #87 
  - No  Electric Monk   Mar-14-11 01:40 AM   #88 
  - Of course not, only a very few people here do.  Rex   Mar-14-11 01:51 AM   #93 
  - That's not my experience  Ken Burch   Mar-14-11 02:00 AM   #99 
     - From your own thread, the 'nos' seem to have it.  Rex   Mar-14-11 04:05 AM   #117 
        - Agreed, torture has only a handful of supporters on DU  Bragi   Mar-14-11 08:01 AM   #119 
        - "torture has only a handful of supporters on DU"?  Ken Burch   Mar-14-11 03:02 PM   #136 
        - I'm glad this response is happening in this thread  Ken Burch   Mar-14-11 02:35 PM   #134 
           - Me too! /nt  Bragi   Mar-14-11 03:05 PM   #137 
  - No. The treatment is criminal regardless of Manning's guilt.  PufPuf23   Mar-14-11 02:06 AM   #101 
  - Yes, this. Our government is bound by the principles of human decency,  themadstork   Mar-14-11 01:21 PM   #130 
  - No. It's ahuman rights abuse  Betty Karlson   Mar-14-11 02:19 AM   #105 
  - No. Deserves a medal instead and a promotion. n/t  Duende azul   Mar-14-11 02:25 AM   #107 
  - I don't believe ANYONE deserves such treatment  TorchTheWitch   Mar-14-11 02:26 AM   #108 
  - No. I used to think only backward-thinking third-world countries would stoop so low.  pacalo   Mar-14-11 02:43 AM   #113 
  - I used to believe we weren't a backward-thinking, third-world country. n/t  gkhouston   Mar-14-11 01:35 PM   #133 
  - I do not think that anyone deserves the treatment that Bradley Manning  JDPriestly   Mar-14-11 02:48 AM   #114 
  - NO!  burrowowl   Mar-14-11 02:52 AM   #115 
  - Absolutely NOT!  mod mom   Mar-14-11 08:12 AM   #121 
  - NO. Even if convicted he doesn't deserve that kind of treatment.  hobbit709   Mar-14-11 08:16 AM   #122 
  - No!! nt  riderinthestorm   Mar-14-11 11:46 AM   #125 
  - No n/t  OhioChick   Mar-14-11 11:48 AM   #126 
  - No. I wonder if they're trying to coerce a confession or induce a suicide. n/t  gkhouston   Mar-14-11 01:33 PM   #132 
  - They want to break him and intimidate other whistleblowers  Bragi   Mar-14-11 03:09 PM   #140 
  - No! n/t  Aerows   Mar-14-11 03:08 PM   #139 
  - Fuck no. It makes me sick. And people who support his torture make me sick.  readmoreoften   Mar-14-11 03:36 PM   #143 
  - It scares the Hell out of me that many on DU support torture  mochajava666   Mar-14-11 03:37 PM   #144 
  - What's worse is that so many blindly trust the war machine  Ken Burch   Mar-14-11 03:41 PM   #147 
     - Well said  mochajava666   Mar-14-11 03:47 PM   #148 
     - exactly right  G_j   Mar-14-11 03:59 PM   #150 
  - My take--so far the only issue I've seen is the clothes thing. If Manning were to committ suicide  ecstatic   Mar-14-11 03:58 PM   #149 
  - The ARMY shrink ruled a month ago that Manning wasn't suicidal.  Ken Burch   Mar-14-11 04:01 PM   #152 
     - Probably because he openly made a remark  ecstatic   Mar-14-11 04:07 PM   #155 
        - He said that BEFORE the shrink's ruling, and has repeatedly stated he was just being sarcastic  Ken Burch   Mar-14-11 04:08 PM   #156 
           - If I make a comment about a bomb on a plane  ecstatic   Mar-14-11 04:10 PM   #158 
              - This isn't the same thing.  Ken Burch   Mar-14-11 04:12 PM   #159 
                 - No one is using suicide watch as an additional punishment  Travelman   Mar-14-11 04:53 PM   #164 
                    - So what are you saying....that Manning has to be kept on suicide watch for the REST of his time in  Ken Burch   Mar-14-11 04:58 PM   #165 
                    - Oh heavens no! Suicide would not do!  elias49   Mar-14-11 09:05 PM   #173 
  - Another letter sent to the President and other Officials.  sallysense   Mar-14-11 04:04 PM   #154 
  - Hell, no!  al bupp   Mar-14-11 04:09 PM   #157 
  - No No No No No No and NO!  Mojeoux   Mar-14-11 04:13 PM   #160 
  - Nope! nt  City Lights   Mar-14-11 04:15 PM   #161 
  - of course he does't but he put his dumb butt in the situation so I  okieinpain   Mar-14-11 04:28 PM   #162 
  - NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!  zorahopkins   Mar-14-11 05:03 PM   #167 
  - NO... but those wishing this treatment on him  fascisthunter   Mar-14-11 06:32 PM   #171 
  - NO!  dhpgetsit   Mar-14-11 10:28 PM   #176 
 

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