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121. This pretty much sums it up. Big kick and rec
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  -Capitalism finally destroyed Democracy salinen  Mar-13-11 06:31 PM   #0 
  - kr  Hannah Bell   Mar-13-11 06:31 PM   #1 
  - Can we kill Capitalism now?  leftstreet   Mar-13-11 06:33 PM   #2 
  - I'm completely for it at this point.  Initech   Mar-13-11 09:03 PM   #38 
  - We'd Do Good  liberalmike27   Mar-14-11 09:28 AM   #74 
     - Well said  mochajava666   Mar-14-11 02:38 PM   #132 
  - Yes please  slay   Mar-14-11 12:07 PM   #106 
  - Yes. Si se puede.  readmoreoften   Mar-14-11 12:34 PM   #115 
  - You need and FDR not a Nixon. nm  rhett o rick   Mar-14-11 05:39 PM   #156 
  - What should we try? Russia and China discovered socialism with its central control of production  jody   Mar-13-11 06:34 PM   #3 
  - Russia and China were socialist? wtf? n/t  leftstreet   Mar-13-11 06:36 PM   #5 
  - Obviously you aren't prepared to debate the economics of production and government. nt  jody   Mar-13-11 06:38 PM   #6 
  - No, Leftstreet is correct. You are confusing Communism with Socialism.  Matariki   Mar-13-11 06:41 PM   #8 
  - ROFLMAO Have a blissful day. n/t  jody   Mar-13-11 06:42 PM   #10 
  - That's a peculiar response.  Matariki   Mar-13-11 06:47 PM   #13 
  - We are all very familiar with  Enthusiast   Mar-14-11 06:22 AM   #49 
  - Some people come here to disagree.... n/t  Chemical Bill   Mar-14-11 05:18 PM   #152 
  - That's a peculiar response.  AlbertCat   Mar-14-11 08:54 AM   #60 
  - That's the sound of somebody  Cherchez la Femme   Mar-14-11 09:13 AM   #68 
  - I love when people use China and Russia as exaples of failed socialism.  white_wolf   Mar-13-11 07:40 PM   #25 
     - You do know that Europe supports capitalism to control production, don't you? If not then you need  jody   Mar-13-11 07:46 PM   #26 
        - A very regulated form of capitalism.  white_wolf   Mar-13-11 07:59 PM   #30 
           - Please identify European countries in which govt decides what products to produce & their price. nt  jody   Mar-13-11 08:05 PM   #31 
              - Socialism can exist in a demand market economy.......  socialist_n_TN   Mar-13-11 09:00 PM   #37 
              - OK but can you answer #31? nt  jody   Mar-13-11 09:08 PM   #39 
              - Youre trying to confuse the issues.  Fuddnik   Mar-14-11 08:45 AM   #57 
                 - Marx used the terms interchangeably  Recursion   Mar-14-11 02:24 PM   #127 
                 - Sorry to break it to you but Groucho and Karl were not related.  liberation   Mar-14-11 04:02 PM   #141 
                    - Funny you mention Kapital, since he didn't mention communism or socialism in it  Recursion   Mar-14-11 04:08 PM   #142 
                       - I wouldn't describe Das Kaptial as funny, more like tedious.  liberation   Mar-14-11 04:53 PM   #148 
                 - Please study a little about Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel who spawned Left and Right Hegelianism  jody   Mar-14-11 06:35 PM   #171 
              - The Commons  liberalmike27   Mar-14-11 09:48 AM   #79 
                 - Businesses are using 80% of our water -- MIC using 80% of our oil --  defendandprotect   Mar-14-11 12:21 PM   #110 
                 - Yes, bro. Those are the ones that, AT A MINIMUM, ......  socialist_n_TN   Mar-14-11 01:52 PM   #124 
              - Tax policies  bongbong   Mar-14-11 08:24 AM   #55 
  - +1  we can do it   Mar-14-11 07:22 AM   #51 
  - Agree, but what they tried wasnt even Marxist communism. And today China is  rhett o rick   Mar-14-11 05:44 PM   #159 
     - Indeed. Me, I'd prefer a Socialist Democracy.  Matariki   Mar-14-11 09:10 PM   #177 
  - Apparently not. Not if China and Russia are socialist n/t  leftstreet   Mar-13-11 06:42 PM   #9 
  - Russia and China ARE socialist states  lark   Mar-14-11 12:29 PM   #114 
  - no. they are state capitalist societies.  provis99   Mar-14-11 04:14 PM   #144 
  - they are socialist like Hitler's Germany was socialist. Only in the leader's minds. nm  rhett o rick   Mar-14-11 05:45 PM   #160 
  - wtf???  BOG PERSON   Mar-14-11 05:24 PM   #154 
  - Northern Europe is a better example.  Matariki   Mar-13-11 06:39 PM   #7 
  - Europe allowed capitalism to control production and then taxed the yield from capitalism to give to  jody   Mar-13-11 06:47 PM   #14 
     - So you're asking - what would a system look like without profit?  leftstreet   Mar-13-11 06:49 PM   #16 
     - If there's no profit, how do you intend to fund social services and goods that are shared by many  jody   Mar-13-11 06:54 PM   #19 
        - Would you settle for 'profit' not held in private hands?  leftstreet   Mar-13-11 06:56 PM   #20 
        - See #14. The issue is first make a pie, i.e. profit, then determine who gets a slice of that pie.  jody   Mar-13-11 07:03 PM   #22 
        - In my studies decades ago, economist used Greek pi to denote profits, e.g. Greek pi = revenue cost  jody   Mar-13-11 07:19 PM   #24 
        - You don't need profit to pay for those services...  W_HAMILTON   Mar-13-11 07:47 PM   #27 
           - Interesting idea, why don't you run for president on that platform? n/t  jody   Mar-13-11 07:51 PM   #28 
              - I'm too young :) n/t  W_HAMILTON   Mar-14-11 12:28 AM   #46 
     - Capitalism v socialism  havbrush   Mar-14-11 01:43 PM   #122 
        - Please parse #14 and tell me specifically where you and I disagree. n/t  jody   Mar-14-11 06:44 PM   #172 
  - USSR-communist, Russia is socialist  barbiegeek   Mar-13-11 06:51 PM   #17 
  - OP challenged capitalism, just one way of controlling production. When compared to socialism, one  jody   Mar-13-11 06:59 PM   #21 
  - You have to watch your terms.  Igel   Mar-13-11 07:52 PM   #29 
  - Now Igel, why bring facts into the discussion! n/t  jody   Mar-13-11 08:08 PM   #33 
     - I am with you  reggie the dog   Mar-14-11 07:52 AM   #54 
  - China is mostly now authoritarian oligarchic capitalism,with a veneer of Communist party ideology  stockholmer   Mar-14-11 11:41 AM   #103 
  - They call themselves communists but Karl Marx would disagree. They are capitalists.  rhett o rick   Mar-14-11 05:47 PM   #161 
  - actually russia rejected communism  BOG PERSON   Mar-14-11 05:57 PM   #162 
  - The usual sophistry. As though they're the only alternative, or no new system can ever exist.  JackRiddler   Mar-14-11 12:38 AM   #48 
  - So what new economic system do you propose in lieu of capitalism and socialism? n/t  jody   Mar-14-11 06:46 PM   #173 
     - islamist third-positionism is the hot new thing  BOG PERSON   Mar-14-11 08:52 PM   #176 
     - Socialism with democracy would be a start.  JackRiddler   Mar-15-11 01:27 AM   #184 
  - The options are not limited to our current oligarchy and Stalin's Soviet Union.  SOS   Mar-14-11 10:35 AM   #95 
  - indeed  BOG PERSON   Mar-14-11 10:09 PM   #179 
     - True  SOS   Mar-15-11 08:09 AM   #187 
  - Chomsky explained fake socialist scam like USSR  economic_liberal   Mar-14-11 02:16 PM   #126 
  - chomsky is an ultra-left philistine though  BOG PERSON   Mar-14-11 05:25 PM   #155 
  - Einstein wanted socialism  economic_liberal   Mar-14-11 02:54 PM   #134 
  - Karl Marx is rolling over. Neither Russia nor China practice socialism. China is the greatest  rhett o rick   Mar-14-11 05:42 PM   #158 
  - k&r  Starry Messenger   Mar-13-11 06:35 PM   #4 
  - Exactly  salinen   Mar-13-11 06:46 PM   #12 
  - Humanity vs. Profit.  AlbertCat   Mar-14-11 09:03 AM   #64 
  - Capitalism and democracy are not compatible.  AlbertCat   Mar-14-11 09:02 AM   #63 
     - What if the sun rotated around the earth?  Starry Messenger   Mar-14-11 12:11 PM   #107 
        - Our reality could easily be switched away from capitalism and towards a more humane and fair  defendandprotect   Mar-14-11 12:45 PM   #119 
  - Don't forget teachers and their budget-breaking pensions...  drokhole   Mar-13-11 06:44 PM   #11 
  - I really didn't think they'd go this far.  Overseas   Mar-13-11 06:48 PM   #15 
  - Yes  salinen   Mar-13-11 07:03 PM   #23 
     - So sad.  Overseas   Mar-13-11 09:57 PM   #41 
        - +1  handmade34   Mar-13-11 11:40 PM   #44 
        - Sadly, it wasn't just the GOP. Clinton played his part and now Obama is as well. n/t  cui bono   Mar-14-11 02:54 PM   #133 
  - The USA has a mixed economy that is way out of balance and has no choice  PufPuf23   Mar-13-11 06:52 PM   #18 
  - Greed finally destroyed capitalism.  Rex   Mar-13-11 08:08 PM   #32 
  - This, right here.  Shandris   Mar-13-11 08:26 PM   #34 
  - That is simply the BEST post I've ever seen on capitalism's limitation.  loudsue   Mar-14-11 08:54 AM   #59 
  - Erm...by all means. :-)  Shandris   Mar-14-11 02:56 PM   #135 
  - Capitalism could work just fine,  AlbertCat   Mar-14-11 09:08 AM   #66 
  - No -- Capitalism is suicidal and and evil -- you can't regulate evil ....  defendandprotect   Mar-14-11 12:42 PM   #116 
     - I don't know. I like having stuff  Recursion   Mar-14-11 02:27 PM   #129 
  - Yes. Well said.  lumberjack_jeff   Mar-14-11 09:41 AM   #76 
  - capitalism, and the monetary system that fuels it, are based on never-ending,always expanding growth  stockholmer   Mar-14-11 11:53 AM   #105 
  - Capitalism has "failed" repeated historically -- it's an evil and can't be regulated ....  defendandprotect   Mar-14-11 12:43 PM   #118 
  - that's the standard Marxist theory.  provis99   Mar-14-11 04:17 PM   #145 
  - Greed IS capitalism............  socialist_n_TN   Mar-13-11 08:27 PM   #35 
  - Profit is greed.  AlbertCat   Mar-14-11 09:10 AM   #67 
  - Do you have a savings account?  SDuderstadt   Mar-14-11 09:17 AM   #70 
     - How about a choice?.........  socialist_n_TN   Mar-14-11 03:08 PM   #136 
  - Capitalism = Greed  salinen   Mar-13-11 09:56 PM   #40 
  - Capitalism  Starry Messenger   Mar-13-11 11:20 PM   #42 
  - And it always will  hifiguy   Mar-14-11 09:06 AM   #65 
  - No. It hasn't...  SidDithers   Mar-13-11 08:29 PM   #36 
  - Capitalism + Democracy = Oxymoron  Tierra_y_Libertad   Mar-13-11 11:27 PM   #43 
  - Well, here's the story by Rahm, himself, on why business s/be grateful to Obama -- !!  defendandprotect   Mar-14-11 12:17 AM   #45 
  - I was listening to Thom Hartman and he said he expected another financial meltdown and expected  cui bono   Mar-14-11 03:10 PM   #137 
     - Missed Thom Hartmann today -- always interesting ... thanks!!  defendandprotect   Mar-14-11 04:10 PM   #143 
  - Democracy is never destroyed  Zanzoobar   Mar-14-11 12:35 AM   #47 
  - If it hasn't been destroyed  Enthusiast   Mar-14-11 06:35 AM   #50 
  - and they couldn't do it without 1000 coordinated radio stations getting  certainot   Mar-14-11 07:26 AM   #52 
  - Stockholders are the problem  southshore   Mar-14-11 07:36 AM   #53 
  - the alternative?  Roy Rolling   Mar-14-11 08:43 AM   #56 
  - I'm out of breath.  AlbertCat   Mar-14-11 08:52 AM   #58 
  - Yep  salinen   Mar-14-11 10:17 AM   #87 
  - Not so much destroyed as exposed.  blindpig   Mar-14-11 08:55 AM   #61 
  - No Half Measures  bobbolink   Mar-14-11 09:46 AM   #78 
     - The people aren't stupid and they know.  blindpig   Mar-14-11 09:59 AM   #83 
        - Yes, most people aren't stupid, as many DUers like to claim, but they HAVE been hoodwinked.  bobbolink   Mar-14-11 10:02 AM   #84 
           - Not to worry, they do our work for us.  blindpig   Mar-14-11 10:16 AM   #86 
              - Whatever floats your boat.  bobbolink   Mar-14-11 10:25 AM   #93 
  - And Marx is proven right once again  hifiguy   Mar-14-11 09:01 AM   #62 
  - Marx was right...sort of  dthigpen4   Mar-14-11 09:50 AM   #80 
  - Really, capitalism is the only problem?  dthigpen4   Mar-14-11 09:14 AM   #69 
  - Regulated Capitalism  salinen   Mar-14-11 10:19 AM   #88 
     - Let me make my usual pitch for democratic capitalism  SDuderstadt   Mar-14-11 10:25 AM   #92 
        - We already had regulated capitalism  dthigpen4   Mar-14-11 10:39 AM   #96 
        - Huh? n/t  SDuderstadt   Mar-14-11 10:41 AM   #97 
        - Impossible.  blindpig   Mar-14-11 10:57 AM   #98 
        - Why don't you read the information before you...  SDuderstadt   Mar-14-11 11:03 AM   #99 
           - Because it's the same old reformist bullshit.  blindpig   Mar-14-11 12:17 PM   #109 
              - Oh, bullshit...  SDuderstadt   Mar-14-11 12:24 PM   #112 
                 - Why don't you explain this 'complex cause'?  blindpig   Mar-14-11 12:42 PM   #117 
                    - Do you understand the concept of...  SDuderstadt   Mar-14-11 06:15 PM   #168 
        - I could be wrong so forgive me if I am  white_wolf   Mar-14-11 12:23 PM   #111 
           - No, it's not...  SDuderstadt   Mar-14-11 06:18 PM   #169 
  - No punishment for heinous crimes perpetrated by one administration and  tpsbmam   Mar-14-11 09:17 AM   #71 
  - Bush  salinen   Mar-14-11 10:20 AM   #89 
  - Boy, Do I Have PIISD!  starzdust   Mar-14-11 11:16 AM   #100 
  - 100th rec  Blue_Tires   Mar-14-11 09:18 AM   #72 
  - K & R  Raksha   Mar-14-11 09:18 AM   #73 
  - No punishment for crimes against humanity  swilton   Mar-14-11 09:34 AM   #75 
  - Good one  salinen   Mar-14-11 10:20 AM   #90 
  - We don't have textbook capitalism anymore...that's an illusion  JokerAllstar   Mar-14-11 09:45 AM   #77 
  - Socialism is more compatible with Democracy  rucky   Mar-14-11 09:52 AM   #81 
  - Not, really, only in idealistic fantasyland  dthigpen4   Mar-14-11 10:32 AM   #94 
     - Even the USSR made use of the price signal towards the end there  Recursion   Mar-14-11 02:26 PM   #128 
     - Who says socialism needs centralized power?  rucky   Mar-14-11 03:39 PM   #138 
  - How has democracy been "destroyed"?  Nye Bevan   Mar-14-11 09:58 AM   #82 
  - The facade of democracy remains  hifiguy   Mar-14-11 10:12 AM   #85 
  - It might be possible if we'd all stop saying it isn't possible.  Raksha   Mar-14-11 11:21 AM   #101 
  - Is almost destroyed?  salinen   Mar-14-11 10:24 AM   #91 
  - No, the 2012 elections haven't been cancelled,  Raksha   Mar-14-11 11:34 AM   #102 
     - "Bought," more likely  KansDem   Mar-14-11 12:12 PM   #108 
  - K&R n/t  OhioChick   Mar-14-11 11:50 AM   #104 
  - Again.  kenny blankenship   Mar-14-11 12:25 PM   #113 
  - Now you know why I hate Capitalism  Taverner   Mar-14-11 12:47 PM   #120 
  - This pretty much sums it up. Big kick and rec  jtown1123   Mar-14-11 01:02 PM   #121 
  - It May Not Be Easy To...  WiffenPoof   Mar-14-11 01:50 PM   #123 
  - You can try to fix a system which is flawed at a systemic level all you want  liberation   Mar-14-11 04:21 PM   #146 
  - Does this mean the wealthy have to get callouses on their hands?  RedCloud   Mar-14-11 01:55 PM   #125 
  - That's not capitalism. That's feudalism. That's what happens when capitalism disappears.  jobycom   Mar-14-11 02:30 PM   #130 
  - Sure, capitalism needs strong government....  blindpig   Mar-14-11 03:57 PM   #140 
  - K&R  Hubert Flottz   Mar-14-11 02:33 PM   #131 
  - that all you got? . . . psha-a-a-a-w-w-w . . .  OneBlueSky   Mar-14-11 03:52 PM   #139 
  - "It was the Beast who killed Beauty"  KansDem   Mar-14-11 04:45 PM   #147 
  - it makes sense  BOG PERSON   Mar-14-11 05:07 PM   #149 
  - I think it's called Neo-Feudalism.  calimary   Mar-14-11 05:09 PM   #150 
  - Serfing, USA.....nt  femrap   Mar-14-11 05:12 PM   #151 
  - LOVE IT!!!  calimary   Mar-14-11 05:59 PM   #163 
  - feudalism has a little style  BOG PERSON   Mar-14-11 05:19 PM   #153 
  - Capitalism isn't the problem.. It's capitalists I'm bothered with.  Corruption Winz   Mar-14-11 05:42 PM   #157 
  - I hear this a lot, along with "socialism" being.......  socialist_n_TN   Mar-14-11 06:00 PM   #164 
  - "Capitalism's goal: Make as much money as possible"  SDuderstadt   Mar-14-11 06:28 PM   #170 
  - Whether that is the goal of capitalism or not is irrelevant  white_wolf   Mar-14-11 07:12 PM   #174 
  - Of COURSE that's the goal of capitalism............  socialist_n_TN   Mar-14-11 10:59 PM   #180 
     - I don't think Friedman spoke...  SDuderstadt   Mar-15-11 01:14 AM   #182 
  - If I'm answering according to your description....  Corruption Winz   Mar-14-11 09:42 PM   #178 
  - Ask any capitalist what the goal of capitalism IS........  socialist_n_TN   Mar-14-11 11:03 PM   #181 
     - Only if you only talk to some capitalists....  SDuderstadt   Mar-15-11 01:16 AM   #183 
        - Okay I'm open minded.  white_wolf   Mar-15-11 01:29 AM   #185 
        - Here's a good starting point...  SDuderstadt   Mar-15-11 02:22 AM   #186 
        - Well obviously you're not in control of the captalist........  socialist_n_TN   Mar-15-11 09:40 AM   #188 
           - Government makes economic policy...  SDuderstadt   Mar-15-11 09:51 AM   #190 
  - Capitalism doesn't have any goals. People have goals.  Silent3   Mar-15-11 09:54 AM   #191 
  - for your information  BOG PERSON   Mar-14-11 06:00 PM   #165 
  - No regulation of Capitalism finally destroyed Democracy!  Little Star   Mar-14-11 06:05 PM   #166 
  - Corporate capitalism, taken to the hilt, is a Ponzi scheme.  DirkGently   Mar-14-11 06:14 PM   #167 
  - Markets with safety nets  FreeJoe   Mar-14-11 08:14 PM   #175 
  - Wish I could rec, but I'm too late.  closeupready   Mar-15-11 09:47 AM   #189 
 

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