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Mon Mar-14-11 10:02 AM
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| 84. Yes, most people aren't stupid, as many DUers like to claim, but they HAVE been hoodwinked. |
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We aren't doing much to reach out and counteract that.
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| -Capitalism finally destroyed Democracy |
salinen |
Mar-13-11 06:31 PM |
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kr |
Hannah Bell |
Mar-13-11 06:31 PM |
#1 |
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Can we kill Capitalism now? |
leftstreet |
Mar-13-11 06:33 PM |
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I'm completely for it at this point. |
Initech |
Mar-13-11 09:03 PM |
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We'd Do Good |
liberalmike27 |
Mar-14-11 09:28 AM |
#74 |
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Well said |
mochajava666 |
Mar-14-11 02:38 PM |
#132 |
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Yes please |
slay |
Mar-14-11 12:07 PM |
#106 |
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Yes. Si se puede. |
readmoreoften |
Mar-14-11 12:34 PM |
#115 |
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You need and FDR not a Nixon. nm |
rhett o rick |
Mar-14-11 05:39 PM |
#156 |
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What should we try? Russia and China discovered socialism with its central control of production |
jody |
Mar-13-11 06:34 PM |
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Russia and China were socialist? wtf? n/t |
leftstreet |
Mar-13-11 06:36 PM |
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Obviously you aren't prepared to debate the economics of production and government. nt |
jody |
Mar-13-11 06:38 PM |
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No, Leftstreet is correct. You are confusing Communism with Socialism. |
Matariki |
Mar-13-11 06:41 PM |
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ROFLMAO Have a blissful day. n/t |
jody |
Mar-13-11 06:42 PM |
#10 |
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That's a peculiar response. |
Matariki |
Mar-13-11 06:47 PM |
#13 |
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We are all very familiar with |
Enthusiast |
Mar-14-11 06:22 AM |
#49 |
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Some people come here to disagree.... n/t |
Chemical Bill |
Mar-14-11 05:18 PM |
#152 |
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That's a peculiar response. |
AlbertCat |
Mar-14-11 08:54 AM |
#60 |
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That's the sound of somebody |
Cherchez la Femme |
Mar-14-11 09:13 AM |
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I love when people use China and Russia as exaples of failed socialism. |
white_wolf |
Mar-13-11 07:40 PM |
#25 |
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You do know that Europe supports capitalism to control production, don't you? If not then you need |
jody |
Mar-13-11 07:46 PM |
#26 |
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A very regulated form of capitalism. |
white_wolf |
Mar-13-11 07:59 PM |
#30 |
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Please identify European countries in which govt decides what products to produce & their price. nt |
jody |
Mar-13-11 08:05 PM |
#31 |
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Socialism can exist in a demand market economy....... |
socialist_n_TN |
Mar-13-11 09:00 PM |
#37 |
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OK but can you answer #31? nt |
jody |
Mar-13-11 09:08 PM |
#39 |
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Youre trying to confuse the issues. |
Fuddnik |
Mar-14-11 08:45 AM |
#57 |
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Marx used the terms interchangeably |
Recursion |
Mar-14-11 02:24 PM |
#127 |
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Sorry to break it to you but Groucho and Karl were not related. |
liberation |
Mar-14-11 04:02 PM |
#141 |
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Funny you mention Kapital, since he didn't mention communism or socialism in it |
Recursion |
Mar-14-11 04:08 PM |
#142 |
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I wouldn't describe Das Kaptial as funny, more like tedious. |
liberation |
Mar-14-11 04:53 PM |
#148 |
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Please study a little about Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel who spawned Left and Right Hegelianism |
jody |
Mar-14-11 06:35 PM |
#171 |
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The Commons |
liberalmike27 |
Mar-14-11 09:48 AM |
#79 |
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Businesses are using 80% of our water -- MIC using 80% of our oil -- |
defendandprotect |
Mar-14-11 12:21 PM |
#110 |
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Yes, bro. Those are the ones that, AT A MINIMUM, ...... |
socialist_n_TN |
Mar-14-11 01:52 PM |
#124 |
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Tax policies |
bongbong |
Mar-14-11 08:24 AM |
#55 |
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+1 |
we can do it |
Mar-14-11 07:22 AM |
#51 |
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Agree, but what they tried wasnt even Marxist communism. And today China is |
rhett o rick |
Mar-14-11 05:44 PM |
#159 |
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Indeed. Me, I'd prefer a Socialist Democracy. |
Matariki |
Mar-14-11 09:10 PM |
#177 |
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Apparently not. Not if China and Russia are socialist n/t |
leftstreet |
Mar-13-11 06:42 PM |
#9 |
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Russia and China ARE socialist states |
lark |
Mar-14-11 12:29 PM |
#114 |
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no. they are state capitalist societies. |
provis99 |
Mar-14-11 04:14 PM |
#144 |
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they are socialist like Hitler's Germany was socialist. Only in the leader's minds. nm |
rhett o rick |
Mar-14-11 05:45 PM |
#160 |
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wtf??? |
BOG PERSON |
Mar-14-11 05:24 PM |
#154 |
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Northern Europe is a better example. |
Matariki |
Mar-13-11 06:39 PM |
#7 |
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Europe allowed capitalism to control production and then taxed the yield from capitalism to give to |
jody |
Mar-13-11 06:47 PM |
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So you're asking - what would a system look like without profit? |
leftstreet |
Mar-13-11 06:49 PM |
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If there's no profit, how do you intend to fund social services and goods that are shared by many |
jody |
Mar-13-11 06:54 PM |
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Would you settle for 'profit' not held in private hands? |
leftstreet |
Mar-13-11 06:56 PM |
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See #14. The issue is first make a pie, i.e. profit, then determine who gets a slice of that pie. |
jody |
Mar-13-11 07:03 PM |
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In my studies decades ago, economist used Greek pi to denote profits, e.g. Greek pi = revenue – cost |
jody |
Mar-13-11 07:19 PM |
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You don't need profit to pay for those services... |
W_HAMILTON |
Mar-13-11 07:47 PM |
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Interesting idea, why don't you run for president on that platform? n/t |
jody |
Mar-13-11 07:51 PM |
#28 |
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I'm too young :) n/t |
W_HAMILTON |
Mar-14-11 12:28 AM |
#46 |
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Capitalism v socialism |
havbrush |
Mar-14-11 01:43 PM |
#122 |
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Please parse #14 and tell me specifically where you and I disagree. n/t |
jody |
Mar-14-11 06:44 PM |
#172 |
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USSR-communist, Russia is socialist |
barbiegeek |
Mar-13-11 06:51 PM |
#17 |
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OP challenged capitalism, just one way of controlling production. When compared to socialism, one |
jody |
Mar-13-11 06:59 PM |
#21 |
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You have to watch your terms. |
Igel |
Mar-13-11 07:52 PM |
#29 |
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Now Igel, why bring facts into the discussion! n/t |
jody |
Mar-13-11 08:08 PM |
#33 |
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I am with you |
reggie the dog |
Mar-14-11 07:52 AM |
#54 |
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China is mostly now authoritarian oligarchic capitalism,with a veneer of Communist party ideology |
stockholmer |
Mar-14-11 11:41 AM |
#103 |
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They call themselves communists but Karl Marx would disagree. They are capitalists. |
rhett o rick |
Mar-14-11 05:47 PM |
#161 |
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actually russia rejected communism |
BOG PERSON |
Mar-14-11 05:57 PM |
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The usual sophistry. As though they're the only alternative, or no new system can ever exist. |
JackRiddler |
Mar-14-11 12:38 AM |
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So what new economic system do you propose in lieu of capitalism and socialism? n/t |
jody |
Mar-14-11 06:46 PM |
#173 |
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islamist third-positionism is the hot new thing |
BOG PERSON |
Mar-14-11 08:52 PM |
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Socialism with democracy would be a start. |
JackRiddler |
Mar-15-11 01:27 AM |
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The options are not limited to our current oligarchy and Stalin's Soviet Union. |
SOS |
Mar-14-11 10:35 AM |
#95 |
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indeed |
BOG PERSON |
Mar-14-11 10:09 PM |
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True |
SOS |
Mar-15-11 08:09 AM |
#187 |
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Chomsky explained fake socialist scam like USSR |
economic_liberal |
Mar-14-11 02:16 PM |
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chomsky is an ultra-left philistine though |
BOG PERSON |
Mar-14-11 05:25 PM |
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Einstein wanted socialism |
economic_liberal |
Mar-14-11 02:54 PM |
#134 |
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Karl Marx is rolling over. Neither Russia nor China practice socialism. China is the greatest |
rhett o rick |
Mar-14-11 05:42 PM |
#158 |
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k&r |
Starry Messenger |
Mar-13-11 06:35 PM |
#4 |
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Exactly |
salinen |
Mar-13-11 06:46 PM |
#12 |
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Humanity vs. Profit. |
AlbertCat |
Mar-14-11 09:03 AM |
#64 |
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Capitalism and democracy are not compatible. |
AlbertCat |
Mar-14-11 09:02 AM |
#63 |
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What if the sun rotated around the earth? |
Starry Messenger |
Mar-14-11 12:11 PM |
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Our reality could easily be switched away from capitalism and towards a more humane and fair |
defendandprotect |
Mar-14-11 12:45 PM |
#119 |
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Don't forget teachers and their budget-breaking pensions... |
drokhole |
Mar-13-11 06:44 PM |
#11 |
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I really didn't think they'd go this far. |
Overseas |
Mar-13-11 06:48 PM |
#15 |
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Yes |
salinen |
Mar-13-11 07:03 PM |
#23 |
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So sad. |
Overseas |
Mar-13-11 09:57 PM |
#41 |
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+1 |
handmade34 |
Mar-13-11 11:40 PM |
#44 |
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Sadly, it wasn't just the GOP. Clinton played his part and now Obama is as well. n/t |
cui bono |
Mar-14-11 02:54 PM |
#133 |
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The USA has a mixed economy that is way out of balance and has no choice |
PufPuf23 |
Mar-13-11 06:52 PM |
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Greed finally destroyed capitalism. |
Rex |
Mar-13-11 08:08 PM |
#32 |
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This, right here. |
Shandris |
Mar-13-11 08:26 PM |
#34 |
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That is simply the BEST post I've ever seen on capitalism's limitation. |
loudsue |
Mar-14-11 08:54 AM |
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Erm...by all means. :-) |
Shandris |
Mar-14-11 02:56 PM |
#135 |
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Capitalism could work just fine, |
AlbertCat |
Mar-14-11 09:08 AM |
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No -- Capitalism is suicidal and and evil -- you can't regulate evil .... |
defendandprotect |
Mar-14-11 12:42 PM |
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I don't know. I like having stuff |
Recursion |
Mar-14-11 02:27 PM |
#129 |
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Yes. Well said. |
lumberjack_jeff |
Mar-14-11 09:41 AM |
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capitalism, and the monetary system that fuels it, are based on never-ending,always expanding growth |
stockholmer |
Mar-14-11 11:53 AM |
#105 |
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Capitalism has "failed" repeated historically -- it's an evil and can't be regulated .... |
defendandprotect |
Mar-14-11 12:43 PM |
#118 |
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that's the standard Marxist theory. |
provis99 |
Mar-14-11 04:17 PM |
#145 |
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Greed IS capitalism............ |
socialist_n_TN |
Mar-13-11 08:27 PM |
#35 |
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Profit is greed. |
AlbertCat |
Mar-14-11 09:10 AM |
#67 |
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Do you have a savings account? |
SDuderstadt |
Mar-14-11 09:17 AM |
#70 |
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How about a choice?......... |
socialist_n_TN |
Mar-14-11 03:08 PM |
#136 |
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Capitalism = Greed |
salinen |
Mar-13-11 09:56 PM |
#40 |
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Capitalism |
Starry Messenger |
Mar-13-11 11:20 PM |
#42 |
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And it always will |
hifiguy |
Mar-14-11 09:06 AM |
#65 |
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No. It hasn't... |
SidDithers |
Mar-13-11 08:29 PM |
#36 |
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Capitalism + Democracy = Oxymoron |
Tierra_y_Libertad |
Mar-13-11 11:27 PM |
#43 |
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Well, here's the story by Rahm, himself, on why business s/be grateful to Obama -- !! |
defendandprotect |
Mar-14-11 12:17 AM |
#45 |
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I was listening to Thom Hartman and he said he expected another financial meltdown and expected |
cui bono |
Mar-14-11 03:10 PM |
#137 |
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Missed Thom Hartmann today -- always interesting ... thanks!! |
defendandprotect |
Mar-14-11 04:10 PM |
#143 |
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Democracy is never destroyed |
Zanzoobar |
Mar-14-11 12:35 AM |
#47 |
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If it hasn't been destroyed |
Enthusiast |
Mar-14-11 06:35 AM |
#50 |
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and they couldn't do it without 1000 coordinated radio stations getting |
certainot |
Mar-14-11 07:26 AM |
#52 |
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Stockholders are the problem |
southshore |
Mar-14-11 07:36 AM |
#53 |
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the alternative? |
Roy Rolling |
Mar-14-11 08:43 AM |
#56 |
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I'm out of breath. |
AlbertCat |
Mar-14-11 08:52 AM |
#58 |
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Yep |
salinen |
Mar-14-11 10:17 AM |
#87 |
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Not so much destroyed as exposed. |
blindpig |
Mar-14-11 08:55 AM |
#61 |
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No Half Measures |
bobbolink |
Mar-14-11 09:46 AM |
#78 |
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The people aren't stupid and they know. |
blindpig |
Mar-14-11 09:59 AM |
#83 |
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Yes, most people aren't stupid, as many DUers like to claim, but they HAVE been hoodwinked. |
bobbolink |
Mar-14-11 10:02 AM |
#84 |
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Not to worry, they do our work for us. |
blindpig |
Mar-14-11 10:16 AM |
#86 |
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Whatever floats your boat. |
bobbolink |
Mar-14-11 10:25 AM |
#93 |
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And Marx is proven right once again |
hifiguy |
Mar-14-11 09:01 AM |
#62 |
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Marx was right...sort of |
dthigpen4 |
Mar-14-11 09:50 AM |
#80 |
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Really, capitalism is the only problem? |
dthigpen4 |
Mar-14-11 09:14 AM |
#69 |
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Regulated Capitalism |
salinen |
Mar-14-11 10:19 AM |
#88 |
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Let me make my usual pitch for democratic capitalism |
SDuderstadt |
Mar-14-11 10:25 AM |
#92 |
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We already had regulated capitalism |
dthigpen4 |
Mar-14-11 10:39 AM |
#96 |
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Huh? n/t |
SDuderstadt |
Mar-14-11 10:41 AM |
#97 |
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Impossible. |
blindpig |
Mar-14-11 10:57 AM |
#98 |
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Why don't you read the information before you... |
SDuderstadt |
Mar-14-11 11:03 AM |
#99 |
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Because it's the same old reformist bullshit. |
blindpig |
Mar-14-11 12:17 PM |
#109 |
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Oh, bullshit... |
SDuderstadt |
Mar-14-11 12:24 PM |
#112 |
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Why don't you explain this 'complex cause'? |
blindpig |
Mar-14-11 12:42 PM |
#117 |
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Do you understand the concept of... |
SDuderstadt |
Mar-14-11 06:15 PM |
#168 |
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I could be wrong so forgive me if I am |
white_wolf |
Mar-14-11 12:23 PM |
#111 |
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No, it's not... |
SDuderstadt |
Mar-14-11 06:18 PM |
#169 |
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No punishment for heinous crimes perpetrated by one administration and |
tpsbmam |
Mar-14-11 09:17 AM |
#71 |
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Bush |
salinen |
Mar-14-11 10:20 AM |
#89 |
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Boy, Do I Have PIISD! |
starzdust |
Mar-14-11 11:16 AM |
#100 |
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100th rec |
Blue_Tires |
Mar-14-11 09:18 AM |
#72 |
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K & R |
Raksha |
Mar-14-11 09:18 AM |
#73 |
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No punishment for crimes against humanity |
swilton |
Mar-14-11 09:34 AM |
#75 |
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Good one |
salinen |
Mar-14-11 10:20 AM |
#90 |
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We don't have textbook capitalism anymore...that's an illusion |
JokerAllstar |
Mar-14-11 09:45 AM |
#77 |
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Socialism is more compatible with Democracy |
rucky |
Mar-14-11 09:52 AM |
#81 |
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Not, really, only in idealistic fantasyland |
dthigpen4 |
Mar-14-11 10:32 AM |
#94 |
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Even the USSR made use of the price signal towards the end there |
Recursion |
Mar-14-11 02:26 PM |
#128 |
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Who says socialism needs centralized power? |
rucky |
Mar-14-11 03:39 PM |
#138 |
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How has democracy been "destroyed"? |
Nye Bevan |
Mar-14-11 09:58 AM |
#82 |
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The facade of democracy remains |
hifiguy |
Mar-14-11 10:12 AM |
#85 |
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It might be possible if we'd all stop saying it isn't possible. |
Raksha |
Mar-14-11 11:21 AM |
#101 |
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Is almost destroyed? |
salinen |
Mar-14-11 10:24 AM |
#91 |
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No, the 2012 elections haven't been cancelled, |
Raksha |
Mar-14-11 11:34 AM |
#102 |
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"Bought," more likely |
KansDem |
Mar-14-11 12:12 PM |
#108 |
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K&R n/t |
OhioChick |
Mar-14-11 11:50 AM |
#104 |
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Again. |
kenny blankenship |
Mar-14-11 12:25 PM |
#113 |
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Now you know why I hate Capitalism |
Taverner |
Mar-14-11 12:47 PM |
#120 |
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This pretty much sums it up. Big kick and rec |
jtown1123 |
Mar-14-11 01:02 PM |
#121 |
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It May Not Be Easy To... |
WiffenPoof |
Mar-14-11 01:50 PM |
#123 |
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You can try to fix a system which is flawed at a systemic level all you want |
liberation |
Mar-14-11 04:21 PM |
#146 |
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Does this mean the wealthy have to get callouses on their hands? |
RedCloud |
Mar-14-11 01:55 PM |
#125 |
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That's not capitalism. That's feudalism. That's what happens when capitalism disappears. |
jobycom |
Mar-14-11 02:30 PM |
#130 |
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Sure, capitalism needs strong government.... |
blindpig |
Mar-14-11 03:57 PM |
#140 |
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K&R |
Hubert Flottz |
Mar-14-11 02:33 PM |
#131 |
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that all you got? . . . psha-a-a-a-w-w-w . . . |
OneBlueSky |
Mar-14-11 03:52 PM |
#139 |
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"It was the Beast who killed Beauty" |
KansDem |
Mar-14-11 04:45 PM |
#147 |
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it makes sense |
BOG PERSON |
Mar-14-11 05:07 PM |
#149 |
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I think it's called Neo-Feudalism. |
calimary |
Mar-14-11 05:09 PM |
#150 |
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Serfing, USA.....nt |
femrap |
Mar-14-11 05:12 PM |
#151 |
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LOVE IT!!! |
calimary |
Mar-14-11 05:59 PM |
#163 |
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feudalism has a little style |
BOG PERSON |
Mar-14-11 05:19 PM |
#153 |
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Capitalism isn't the problem.. It's capitalists I'm bothered with. |
Corruption Winz |
Mar-14-11 05:42 PM |
#157 |
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I hear this a lot, along with "socialism" being....... |
socialist_n_TN |
Mar-14-11 06:00 PM |
#164 |
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"Capitalism's goal: Make as much money as possible" |
SDuderstadt |
Mar-14-11 06:28 PM |
#170 |
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Whether that is the goal of capitalism or not is irrelevant |
white_wolf |
Mar-14-11 07:12 PM |
#174 |
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Of COURSE that's the goal of capitalism............ |
socialist_n_TN |
Mar-14-11 10:59 PM |
#180 |
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I don't think Friedman spoke... |
SDuderstadt |
Mar-15-11 01:14 AM |
#182 |
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If I'm answering according to your description.... |
Corruption Winz |
Mar-14-11 09:42 PM |
#178 |
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Ask any capitalist what the goal of capitalism IS........ |
socialist_n_TN |
Mar-14-11 11:03 PM |
#181 |
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Only if you only talk to some capitalists.... |
SDuderstadt |
Mar-15-11 01:16 AM |
#183 |
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Okay I'm open minded. |
white_wolf |
Mar-15-11 01:29 AM |
#185 |
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Here's a good starting point... |
SDuderstadt |
Mar-15-11 02:22 AM |
#186 |
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Well obviously you're not in control of the captalist........ |
socialist_n_TN |
Mar-15-11 09:40 AM |
#188 |
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Government makes economic policy... |
SDuderstadt |
Mar-15-11 09:51 AM |
#190 |
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Capitalism doesn't have any goals. People have goals. |
Silent3 |
Mar-15-11 09:54 AM |
#191 |
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for your information |
BOG PERSON |
Mar-14-11 06:00 PM |
#165 |
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No regulation of Capitalism finally destroyed Democracy! |
Little Star |
Mar-14-11 06:05 PM |
#166 |
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Corporate capitalism, taken to the hilt, is a Ponzi scheme. |
DirkGently |
Mar-14-11 06:14 PM |
#167 |
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Markets with safety nets |
FreeJoe |
Mar-14-11 08:14 PM |
#175 |
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Wish I could rec, but I'm too late. |
closeupready |
Mar-15-11 09:47 AM |
#189 |
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