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Chan790 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-06-11 04:38 PM
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11. Oh the cupboard is bare...
we need to restock the farm team so we can have a viable candidate in 2016 or 2020. That said, the solution is to look down ticket and start cutting some of this illiberal deadwood down. Want a diverse vibrant Democratic Party? It's time to start pushing non-centrists at the bottom and middle. No more GOP defectors in key races either. Centrists where we must, no centrists allowed where we can go big lib.

Wither the monolith. Let the sunshine in.
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  -Obama alternatives rdking647  Mar-06-11 04:29 PM   #0 
  - .  dionysus   Mar-06-11 04:29 PM   #1 
  - I would just like to see Obama be better.  tekisui   Mar-06-11 04:30 PM   #2 
  - but there is a limit to what he can get through congress.  rdking647   Mar-06-11 04:31 PM   #3 
     - Right, he barely got HCR though with ZERO Republican votes....  Scuba   Mar-06-11 04:40 PM   #16 
     - We couldn't get it through the Senate. Lieberman killed it.  Pirate Smile   Mar-06-11 06:02 PM   #69 
     - because single payer couldnt get out of committee. it sucks, but it's a fact.  dionysus   Mar-07-11 09:45 AM   #115 
     - He has a HUGE Bully Pulpit that has gone virtually unused  Bandit   Mar-07-11 10:04 AM   #117 
        - Agreed. Polling shows Americans prefer progressive economic policy  jtown1123   Mar-07-11 10:27 AM   #120 
  - The problem with trying to elect someone how is going to do everything DU wants  Drale   Mar-06-11 04:32 PM   #4 
  - A Democrat that stands with labor, to begin with.  LWolf   Mar-06-11 04:33 PM   #5 
  - "we might as well put a REAL socialist in the WH"  sufrommich   Mar-06-11 04:35 PM   #6 
  - It can happen if we get the right message out and control the teabaggers  Xenotime   Mar-06-11 04:43 PM   #23 
  - How do you plan to "control the teabaggers"?nt  sufrommich   Mar-06-11 04:45 PM   #27 
     - somebody needs to show just how racist they are  Xenotime   Mar-06-11 04:53 PM   #36 
  - A hell of a lot of voters sure think we did it this time.  LWolf   Mar-06-11 04:47 PM   #29 
  - Those voters who think we elected a socialist with Obama are  sufrommich   Mar-06-11 04:48 PM   #31 
     - What's the difference? They'll vote for one candidate  LWolf   Mar-06-11 04:52 PM   #35 
        - The people who labeled Obama a socialist did not vote for him.  sufrommich   Mar-06-11 05:05 PM   # 
           - So they didn't vote then, they won't vote now.  LWolf   Mar-06-11 05:45 PM   #65 
  - Here's what HAS happened. All polls show that a vast  sabrina 1   Mar-06-11 06:05 PM   #70 
  - Playing it safe with Feingold and Dean?  Buzz Clik   Mar-06-11 04:36 PM   #9 
  - It's all about the packaging.  LWolf   Mar-06-11 04:50 PM   #32 
     - +1000  undeterred   Mar-06-11 05:05 PM   #50 
     - We also know that neither can win even the Dem nomination. We know that with certainty.  Buzz Clik   Mar-06-11 07:26 PM   #85 
        - Oh, really?  undeterred   Mar-06-11 07:29 PM   #86 
           - Bookmark it.  Buzz Clik   Mar-06-11 07:41 PM   #89 
     - Well, ok. But here's my reaction to that:  Buzz Clik   Mar-06-11 07:25 PM   #84 
        - Well then thats all you are saying.  undeterred   Mar-06-11 07:31 PM   #87 
        - Yeah, I said what I'm saying.  Buzz Clik   Mar-06-11 07:41 PM   #88 
        - I've never made those claims,  LWolf   Mar-06-11 07:53 PM   #93 
  - how many states do you thing either of them would win.  rdking647   Mar-06-11 04:37 PM   #10 
  - Yes, let's have our candidate move more to the right... NOT  Scuba   Mar-06-11 04:41 PM   #18 
  - I'd like to keep all neoliberals and neoconservatives out of the oval office.  LWolf   Mar-06-11 04:51 PM   #34 
  - Feingold won more times in Wisconsin than Obama did in Illinois  hfojvt   Mar-06-11 04:55 PM   #39 
  - Hey, news flash--just because the goddamn President of the United States  Arkana   Mar-06-11 06:10 PM   #72 
     - Here's a news flash for you:  LWolf   Mar-06-11 07:17 PM   #83 
  - We need a primary challenge  Cobalt-60   Mar-06-11 04:35 PM   #7 
  - Uh huh.  Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin   Mar-06-11 04:50 PM   #33 
  - "President Mike Huckabee:"  emulatorloo   Mar-06-11 05:51 PM   #66 
  - "a true far left candidate would have no chance"  PSPS   Mar-06-11 04:36 PM   #8 
  - No kidding. Where are these 'far left candidates' ??  leftstreet   Mar-06-11 04:39 PM   #12 
  - feingold lost  rdking647   Mar-06-11 04:39 PM   #13 
  - That was more than a half a century ago. Unemployment was  sufrommich   Mar-06-11 04:40 PM   #15 
  - I wonder what the current unemployment rate would be  northernlights   Mar-06-11 05:00 PM   #46 
  - Bingo.  Scuba   Mar-06-11 04:43 PM   #24 
  - FDR, much as I like and admire him, was not 'far left'. Eugene Debs  coalition_unwilling   Mar-06-11 09:33 PM   #106 
  - Oh the cupboard is bare...  Chan790   Mar-06-11 04:38 PM   #11 
  - Absolutely; it's more important than ever that local races be  blondeatlast   Mar-06-11 09:10 PM   #102 
  - Not because he didn't do EVERYTHING I wanted...  Scuba   Mar-06-11 04:39 PM   #14 
  - "Right now, Dennis Kucinich looks like the best candidate."  sufrommich   Mar-06-11 04:41 PM   #17 
  - No, because of his stance on the issues....  Scuba   Mar-06-11 04:42 PM   #21 
  - Then why not just cede the US to the republicans? There is  sufrommich   Mar-06-11 04:44 PM   #25 
     - Really? What's the difference?  Scuba   Mar-06-11 04:46 PM   #28 
     - Have you seen the GOP budget proposals? They rally the  sufrommich   Mar-06-11 04:59 PM   #42 
     - And which of these policies have the Dems stood up to?  Scuba   Mar-06-11 05:20 PM   #52 
        - You can't be fucking serious. Please show me where he agrees  sufrommich   Mar-06-11 05:22 PM   #54 
           - Show me where he stood up and said "we can't do that!"  Scuba   Mar-06-11 06:27 PM   #75 
              - With you, Scuba!  snot   Mar-07-11 12:41 PM   #127 
     - The difference? Democrats are completely ineffective at getting their programs enacted. (NT)  Tesha   Mar-06-11 06:38 PM   #79 
     - That depends on..  sendero   Mar-06-11 05:30 PM   #57 
  - Yep  Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin   Mar-06-11 04:54 PM   #37 
  - kuchinich would be like mcgovern  rdking647   Mar-06-11 04:42 PM   #22 
  - Are you at the right website?  Avant Guardian   Mar-06-11 08:25 PM   #99 
  - more like im a realist  rdking647   Mar-06-11 09:21 PM   #103 
  - So you are saying that, realisticly the Democratic party should become right wing?  Avant Guardian   Mar-07-11 08:01 AM   #107 
     - theres a big deiiference  rdking647   Mar-07-11 08:08 AM   #108 
        - You make no sense whatsoever  Avant Guardian   Mar-07-11 06:43 PM   #132 
           - +  Bluebear   Mar-08-11 05:59 AM   #134 
  - nice strawman. the fact of the matter is, dennis would lose in a landslide.  dionysus   Mar-07-11 09:47 AM   #116 
  - 50 states. Kucinich can't even win a state-wide office in Ohio.  Ikonoklast   Mar-06-11 09:07 PM   #101 
  - You are upset about the SCOTUS appointments?  uppityperson   Mar-06-11 04:45 PM   #26 
  - Then they can say hi to another Fathead Thomas, Scalito, or Roberts  politicasista   Mar-08-11 03:57 PM   #135 
  - you shouldrealize there's a problem when your candidate can't poll above a few points.  dionysus   Mar-07-11 09:33 AM   #114 
  - Our problem  al_liberal   Mar-06-11 04:42 PM   #19 
  - You can ask this a million times (and I swear it's been asked a million times)  Number23   Mar-06-11 04:42 PM   #20 
  - Well said.  Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin   Mar-06-11 04:56 PM   #40 
  - John Kerry and Al Gore are both better than Barack Obama  undeterred   Mar-06-11 04:48 PM   #30 
  - al gore gave up  ReggieVeggie   Mar-06-11 04:58 PM   #41 
  - Hindsight is 20/20.  undeterred   Mar-06-11 05:32 PM   #58 
     - well, hindsight is the introduction of W as president  ReggieVeggie   Mar-06-11 06:16 PM   #73 
        - I think that would be buttview.  undeterred   Mar-06-11 06:31 PM   #76 
  - Of course, no one has any idea what kind of president either  NYCGirl   Mar-06-11 04:59 PM   #43 
     - The whole point of this thread is to speculate.  undeterred   Mar-06-11 05:01 PM   #48 
     - The poster stated they were "both better." How do they know?  NYCGirl   Mar-06-11 05:39 PM   #62 
        - Kerrys been in the Senate for a very long time  undeterred   Mar-06-11 05:56 PM   #68 
     - Posted in wrong place.  NYCGirl   Mar-06-11 05:37 PM   #61 
  - I choose Evan Bayh. Because if we're going to have to deal with a centrist, let's make it clear to..  JVS   Mar-06-11 04:54 PM   #38 
  - I don't believe Obama ever came out as a far left liberal.  Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin   Mar-06-11 05:00 PM   #47 
     - Watch Fox news for an hour.  JVS   Mar-06-11 05:05 PM   #51 
     - Oh please.  Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin   Mar-06-11 07:44 PM   #91 
        - I'm using the fact that there are a lot of people in swing states that consider Obama a radical.  JVS   Mar-06-11 07:51 PM   #92 
     - you mean that he never promised to change things?  hfojvt   Mar-06-11 05:20 PM   #53 
  - Looks like a lot of people trying to vote this topic down.  Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin   Mar-06-11 04:59 PM   #44 
  - Necessity is the mother invention. If an alternative doesn't exist then create one.  TheKentuckian   Mar-06-11 05:00 PM   #45 
  - The question is what policies he should replace, not what person should replace him.  rug   Mar-06-11 05:05 PM   #49 
  - Maybe he could run on the same platform as in '08? That would be a change.  Scuba   Mar-06-11 05:23 PM   #55 
  - Even though I am dissapointed, Obama is still the best we have  Taverner   Mar-06-11 05:26 PM   #56 
  - Dr. Dean, of course  MannyGoldstein   Mar-06-11 05:34 PM   #59 
  - What if he just got better policy?  Bluenorthwest   Mar-06-11 05:35 PM   #60 
  - You misspelled anything.  mmonk   Mar-06-11 05:41 PM   #63 
  - Well put. nt  MannyGoldstein   Mar-06-11 05:44 PM   #64 
  - .  tekisui   Mar-06-11 05:54 PM   #67 
  - i cant get that comment out of my mind  Bluebear   Mar-07-11 03:07 PM   #131 
  - This thread is entirely unproductive  Arkana   Mar-06-11 06:09 PM   #71 
  - I agree and it is in the wrong forum.  tekisui   Mar-06-11 06:37 PM   #78 
  - The only alternatives that are needed are...  butterfly77   Mar-06-11 06:16 PM   #74 
  - We probably will have a choice only everyone will be afraid to vote for him. NADER /Green party  Shagbark Hickory   Mar-06-11 06:33 PM   #77 
  - now that's funny. 'since alot of people here dont like Obama anymore'  spanone   Mar-06-11 06:40 PM   #80 
  - hmmm not a single rec, redkings647. wonder why...?  stlsaxman   Mar-06-11 06:41 PM   #81 
  - I do not think we are going to get any serious challengers in the  jwirr   Mar-06-11 06:52 PM   #82 
  - Bernie Sanders! I would love to live in a country run by that man.  jillan   Mar-06-11 07:42 PM   #90 
  - Me too.  mmonk   Mar-07-11 10:36 AM   #124 
  - These pretzels are making me thirsty.  undeterred   Mar-06-11 07:54 PM   #94 
  - Here -  TBF   Mar-07-11 08:24 AM   #112 
  - Obama is doing fine  underpants   Mar-06-11 07:57 PM   #95 
  - people here on DU are falling for the rightwing media spin.' - The media didn't walk with Jeb  Bluebear   Mar-06-11 08:18 PM   #98 
  - +1. nt  Lorien   Mar-07-11 12:45 PM   #129 
  - The PRIMARY SYSTEM has destroyed us.  LIBERterryAN   Mar-06-11 09:05 PM   #100 
  - Bingo.  politicasista   Mar-08-11 04:10 PM   #136 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Mar-06-11 07:58 PM   #96 
  - 'becasue he didint do everything they wanted' - FAIL  Bluebear   Mar-06-11 08:15 PM   #97 
  - An UN for the pink pony ..."becasue he didint do everything they wanted" --  defendandprotect   Mar-06-11 09:27 PM   #104 
  - how many states  rdking647   Mar-07-11 08:15 AM   #109 
  - maybe you guys can picket bernies house until he decides to run....  dionysus   Mar-07-11 01:53 PM   #130 
  - I'll make my feelings very clear.  white_wolf   Mar-06-11 09:31 PM   #105 
  - Is the point of this post is for us to throw out names and then for you to tell us how stupid we are  Lucky 13   Mar-07-11 08:18 AM   #110 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Mar-07-11 08:22 AM   #111 
  - It will be whoever it will be. The Party will make a candidate from scratch if it has to.  BlueIris   Mar-07-11 09:22 AM   #113 
  - Doesn't matter.  GSLevel9   Mar-07-11 10:23 AM   #118 
  - Is that the only reason you wanna give Hillary a shot? n/t  Hutzpa   Mar-07-11 10:25 AM   #119 
     - well since Bill can't take a third term... :D  GSLevel9   Mar-07-11 11:29 AM   #125 
  - Some of the comments on this thread are  Hutzpa   Mar-07-11 10:29 AM   #121 
  - Here's 14 from WISCONSIN!!!!  grahamhgreen   Mar-07-11 10:33 AM   #122 
  - ThirdPartyUnderground thanks you for your service  Moral_Imagination   Mar-07-11 10:35 AM   #123 
  - Candidate Obama wasn't too bad. That guy would have been better than what we have now.  Edweird   Mar-07-11 11:30 AM   #126 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Mar-07-11 12:45 PM   #128 
  - Bernie!  G_j   Mar-07-11 06:44 PM   #133 

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