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Sun Mar-06-11 04:38 PM
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| 11. Oh the cupboard is bare... |
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we need to restock the farm team so we can have a viable candidate in 2016 or 2020. That said, the solution is to look down ticket and start cutting some of this illiberal deadwood down. Want a diverse vibrant Democratic Party? It's time to start pushing non-centrists at the bottom and middle. No more GOP defectors in key races either. Centrists where we must, no centrists allowed where we can go big lib.
Wither the monolith. Let the sunshine in.
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rdking647 |
Mar-06-11 04:29 PM |
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dionysus |
Mar-06-11 04:29 PM |
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I would just like to see Obama be better. |
tekisui |
Mar-06-11 04:30 PM |
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but there is a limit to what he can get through congress. |
rdking647 |
Mar-06-11 04:31 PM |
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Right, he barely got HCR though with ZERO Republican votes.... |
Scuba |
Mar-06-11 04:40 PM |
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We couldn't get it through the Senate. Lieberman killed it. |
Pirate Smile |
Mar-06-11 06:02 PM |
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because single payer couldnt get out of committee. it sucks, but it's a fact. |
dionysus |
Mar-07-11 09:45 AM |
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He has a HUGE Bully Pulpit that has gone virtually unused |
Bandit |
Mar-07-11 10:04 AM |
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Agreed. Polling shows Americans prefer progressive economic policy |
jtown1123 |
Mar-07-11 10:27 AM |
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The problem with trying to elect someone how is going to do everything DU wants |
Drale |
Mar-06-11 04:32 PM |
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A Democrat that stands with labor, to begin with. |
LWolf |
Mar-06-11 04:33 PM |
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"we might as well put a REAL socialist in the WH" |
sufrommich |
Mar-06-11 04:35 PM |
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It can happen if we get the right message out and control the teabaggers |
Xenotime |
Mar-06-11 04:43 PM |
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How do you plan to "control the teabaggers"?nt |
sufrommich |
Mar-06-11 04:45 PM |
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somebody needs to show just how racist they are |
Xenotime |
Mar-06-11 04:53 PM |
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A hell of a lot of voters sure think we did it this time. |
LWolf |
Mar-06-11 04:47 PM |
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Those voters who think we elected a socialist with Obama are |
sufrommich |
Mar-06-11 04:48 PM |
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What's the difference? They'll vote for one candidate |
LWolf |
Mar-06-11 04:52 PM |
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The people who labeled Obama a socialist did not vote for him. |
sufrommich |
Mar-06-11 05:05 PM |
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So they didn't vote then, they won't vote now. |
LWolf |
Mar-06-11 05:45 PM |
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Here's what HAS happened. All polls show that a vast |
sabrina 1 |
Mar-06-11 06:05 PM |
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Playing it safe with Feingold and Dean? |
Buzz Clik |
Mar-06-11 04:36 PM |
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It's all about the packaging. |
LWolf |
Mar-06-11 04:50 PM |
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+1000 |
undeterred |
Mar-06-11 05:05 PM |
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We also know that neither can win even the Dem nomination. We know that with certainty. |
Buzz Clik |
Mar-06-11 07:26 PM |
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Oh, really? |
undeterred |
Mar-06-11 07:29 PM |
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Bookmark it. |
Buzz Clik |
Mar-06-11 07:41 PM |
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Well, ok. But here's my reaction to that: |
Buzz Clik |
Mar-06-11 07:25 PM |
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Well then thats all you are saying. |
undeterred |
Mar-06-11 07:31 PM |
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Yeah, I said what I'm saying. |
Buzz Clik |
Mar-06-11 07:41 PM |
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I've never made those claims, |
LWolf |
Mar-06-11 07:53 PM |
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how many states do you thing either of them would win. |
rdking647 |
Mar-06-11 04:37 PM |
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Yes, let's have our candidate move more to the right... NOT |
Scuba |
Mar-06-11 04:41 PM |
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I'd like to keep all neoliberals and neoconservatives out of the oval office. |
LWolf |
Mar-06-11 04:51 PM |
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Feingold won more times in Wisconsin than Obama did in Illinois |
hfojvt |
Mar-06-11 04:55 PM |
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Hey, news flash--just because the goddamn President of the United States |
Arkana |
Mar-06-11 06:10 PM |
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Here's a news flash for you: |
LWolf |
Mar-06-11 07:17 PM |
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We need a primary challenge |
Cobalt-60 |
Mar-06-11 04:35 PM |
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Uh huh. |
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin |
Mar-06-11 04:50 PM |
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"President Mike Huckabee:" |
emulatorloo |
Mar-06-11 05:51 PM |
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"a true far left candidate would have no chance" |
PSPS |
Mar-06-11 04:36 PM |
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No kidding. Where are these 'far left candidates' ?? |
leftstreet |
Mar-06-11 04:39 PM |
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feingold lost |
rdking647 |
Mar-06-11 04:39 PM |
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That was more than a half a century ago. Unemployment was |
sufrommich |
Mar-06-11 04:40 PM |
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I wonder what the current unemployment rate would be |
northernlights |
Mar-06-11 05:00 PM |
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Bingo. |
Scuba |
Mar-06-11 04:43 PM |
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FDR, much as I like and admire him, was not 'far left'. Eugene Debs |
coalition_unwilling |
Mar-06-11 09:33 PM |
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Oh the cupboard is bare... |
Chan790 |
Mar-06-11 04:38 PM |
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Absolutely; it's more important than ever that local races be |
blondeatlast |
Mar-06-11 09:10 PM |
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Not because he didn't do EVERYTHING I wanted... |
Scuba |
Mar-06-11 04:39 PM |
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"Right now, Dennis Kucinich looks like the best candidate." |
sufrommich |
Mar-06-11 04:41 PM |
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No, because of his stance on the issues.... |
Scuba |
Mar-06-11 04:42 PM |
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Then why not just cede the US to the republicans? There is |
sufrommich |
Mar-06-11 04:44 PM |
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Really? What's the difference? |
Scuba |
Mar-06-11 04:46 PM |
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Have you seen the GOP budget proposals? They rally the |
sufrommich |
Mar-06-11 04:59 PM |
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And which of these policies have the Dems stood up to? |
Scuba |
Mar-06-11 05:20 PM |
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You can't be fucking serious. Please show me where he agrees |
sufrommich |
Mar-06-11 05:22 PM |
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Show me where he stood up and said "we can't do that!" |
Scuba |
Mar-06-11 06:27 PM |
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With you, Scuba! |
snot |
Mar-07-11 12:41 PM |
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The difference? Democrats are completely ineffective at getting their programs enacted. (NT) |
Tesha |
Mar-06-11 06:38 PM |
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That depends on.. |
sendero |
Mar-06-11 05:30 PM |
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Yep |
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin |
Mar-06-11 04:54 PM |
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kuchinich would be like mcgovern |
rdking647 |
Mar-06-11 04:42 PM |
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Are you at the right website? |
Avant Guardian |
Mar-06-11 08:25 PM |
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more like im a realist |
rdking647 |
Mar-06-11 09:21 PM |
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So you are saying that, realisticly the Democratic party should become right wing? |
Avant Guardian |
Mar-07-11 08:01 AM |
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theres a big deiiference |
rdking647 |
Mar-07-11 08:08 AM |
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You make no sense whatsoever |
Avant Guardian |
Mar-07-11 06:43 PM |
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+ |
Bluebear |
Mar-08-11 05:59 AM |
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nice strawman. the fact of the matter is, dennis would lose in a landslide. |
dionysus |
Mar-07-11 09:47 AM |
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50 states. Kucinich can't even win a state-wide office in Ohio. |
Ikonoklast |
Mar-06-11 09:07 PM |
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You are upset about the SCOTUS appointments? |
uppityperson |
Mar-06-11 04:45 PM |
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Then they can say hi to another Fathead Thomas, Scalito, or Roberts |
politicasista |
Mar-08-11 03:57 PM |
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you shouldrealize there's a problem when your candidate can't poll above a few points. |
dionysus |
Mar-07-11 09:33 AM |
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Our problem |
al_liberal |
Mar-06-11 04:42 PM |
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You can ask this a million times (and I swear it's been asked a million times) |
Number23 |
Mar-06-11 04:42 PM |
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Well said. |
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin |
Mar-06-11 04:56 PM |
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John Kerry and Al Gore are both better than Barack Obama |
undeterred |
Mar-06-11 04:48 PM |
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al gore gave up |
ReggieVeggie |
Mar-06-11 04:58 PM |
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Hindsight is 20/20. |
undeterred |
Mar-06-11 05:32 PM |
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well, hindsight is the introduction of W as president |
ReggieVeggie |
Mar-06-11 06:16 PM |
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I think that would be buttview. |
undeterred |
Mar-06-11 06:31 PM |
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Of course, no one has any idea what kind of president either |
NYCGirl |
Mar-06-11 04:59 PM |
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The whole point of this thread is to speculate. |
undeterred |
Mar-06-11 05:01 PM |
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The poster stated they were "both better." How do they know? |
NYCGirl |
Mar-06-11 05:39 PM |
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Kerrys been in the Senate for a very long time |
undeterred |
Mar-06-11 05:56 PM |
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Posted in wrong place. |
NYCGirl |
Mar-06-11 05:37 PM |
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I choose Evan Bayh. Because if we're going to have to deal with a centrist, let's make it clear to.. |
JVS |
Mar-06-11 04:54 PM |
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I don't believe Obama ever came out as a far left liberal. |
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin |
Mar-06-11 05:00 PM |
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Watch Fox news for an hour. |
JVS |
Mar-06-11 05:05 PM |
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Oh please. |
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin |
Mar-06-11 07:44 PM |
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I'm using the fact that there are a lot of people in swing states that consider Obama a radical. |
JVS |
Mar-06-11 07:51 PM |
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you mean that he never promised to change things? |
hfojvt |
Mar-06-11 05:20 PM |
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Looks like a lot of people trying to vote this topic down. |
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin |
Mar-06-11 04:59 PM |
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Necessity is the mother invention. If an alternative doesn't exist then create one. |
TheKentuckian |
Mar-06-11 05:00 PM |
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The question is what policies he should replace, not what person should replace him. |
rug |
Mar-06-11 05:05 PM |
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Maybe he could run on the same platform as in '08? That would be a change. |
Scuba |
Mar-06-11 05:23 PM |
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Even though I am dissapointed, Obama is still the best we have |
Taverner |
Mar-06-11 05:26 PM |
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Dr. Dean, of course |
MannyGoldstein |
Mar-06-11 05:34 PM |
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What if he just got better policy? |
Bluenorthwest |
Mar-06-11 05:35 PM |
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You misspelled anything. |
mmonk |
Mar-06-11 05:41 PM |
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Well put. nt |
MannyGoldstein |
Mar-06-11 05:44 PM |
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. |
tekisui |
Mar-06-11 05:54 PM |
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i cant get that comment out of my mind |
Bluebear |
Mar-07-11 03:07 PM |
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This thread is entirely unproductive |
Arkana |
Mar-06-11 06:09 PM |
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I agree and it is in the wrong forum. |
tekisui |
Mar-06-11 06:37 PM |
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The only alternatives that are needed are... |
butterfly77 |
Mar-06-11 06:16 PM |
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We probably will have a choice only everyone will be afraid to vote for him. NADER /Green party |
Shagbark Hickory |
Mar-06-11 06:33 PM |
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now that's funny. 'since alot of people here dont like Obama anymore' |
spanone |
Mar-06-11 06:40 PM |
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hmmm not a single rec, redkings647. wonder why...? |
stlsaxman |
Mar-06-11 06:41 PM |
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I do not think we are going to get any serious challengers in the |
jwirr |
Mar-06-11 06:52 PM |
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Bernie Sanders! I would love to live in a country run by that man. |
jillan |
Mar-06-11 07:42 PM |
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Me too. |
mmonk |
Mar-07-11 10:36 AM |
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These pretzels are making me thirsty. |
undeterred |
Mar-06-11 07:54 PM |
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Here - |
TBF |
Mar-07-11 08:24 AM |
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Obama is doing fine |
underpants |
Mar-06-11 07:57 PM |
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people here on DU are falling for the rightwing media spin.' - The media didn't walk with Jeb |
Bluebear |
Mar-06-11 08:18 PM |
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+1. nt |
Lorien |
Mar-07-11 12:45 PM |
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The PRIMARY SYSTEM has destroyed us. |
LIBERterryAN |
Mar-06-11 09:05 PM |
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Bingo. |
politicasista |
Mar-08-11 04:10 PM |
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Mar-06-11 07:58 PM |
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'becasue he didint do everything they wanted' - FAIL |
Bluebear |
Mar-06-11 08:15 PM |
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An UN for the pink pony ..."becasue he didint do everything they wanted" -- |
defendandprotect |
Mar-06-11 09:27 PM |
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how many states |
rdking647 |
Mar-07-11 08:15 AM |
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maybe you guys can picket bernies house until he decides to run.... |
dionysus |
Mar-07-11 01:53 PM |
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I'll make my feelings very clear. |
white_wolf |
Mar-06-11 09:31 PM |
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Is the point of this post is for us to throw out names and then for you to tell us how stupid we are |
Lucky 13 |
Mar-07-11 08:18 AM |
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Mar-07-11 08:22 AM |
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It will be whoever it will be. The Party will make a candidate from scratch if it has to. |
BlueIris |
Mar-07-11 09:22 AM |
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Doesn't matter. |
GSLevel9 |
Mar-07-11 10:23 AM |
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Is that the only reason you wanna give Hillary a shot? n/t |
Hutzpa |
Mar-07-11 10:25 AM |
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well since Bill can't take a third term... :D |
GSLevel9 |
Mar-07-11 11:29 AM |
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Some of the comments on this thread are |
Hutzpa |
Mar-07-11 10:29 AM |
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Here's 14 from WISCONSIN!!!! |
grahamhgreen |
Mar-07-11 10:33 AM |
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ThirdPartyUnderground thanks you for your service |
Moral_Imagination |
Mar-07-11 10:35 AM |
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Candidate Obama wasn't too bad. That guy would have been better than what we have now. |
Edweird |
Mar-07-11 11:30 AM |
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Mar-07-11 12:45 PM |
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Bernie! |
G_j |
Mar-07-11 06:44 PM |
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