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Pacifist Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-10 01:03 PM
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126. There's a leap here from...
a constitutional clause allowing slavery and involuntary servitude as punishment in the case of the duly convicted to assuming every criminal conviction automatically renders the convict a slave.
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  -Day 3 of Historic Prison Strike in Georgia - Blacked out By Media Truth2Tell  Dec-13-10 03:05 PM   #0 
  - K&R  EFerrari   Dec-13-10 03:07 PM   #1 
  - K&R was just about to post, but you beat me to it!  Puregonzo1188   Dec-13-10 03:11 PM   #2 
  - kr  Hannah Bell   Dec-13-10 03:13 PM   #3 
  - NYT, Slate, ABC, every GA outlet  Recursion   Dec-13-10 03:14 PM   #4 
  - If I haven't seen it  Truth2Tell   Dec-13-10 03:23 PM   #5 
  - dupe  Truth2Tell   Dec-13-10 03:24 PM   #6 
  - Part of trends  nadinbrzezinski   Dec-13-10 03:26 PM   #7 
  - "A LIVING WAGE FOR WORK"  Upton   Dec-13-10 03:27 PM   #8 
  - yay for slave labor! (nt)  Krakowiak   Dec-13-10 03:31 PM   #9 
  - dupe.  Krakowiak   Dec-13-10 03:31 PM   #10 
  - Perhaps the 'living wage' concession is moot  Earth_First   Dec-13-10 03:32 PM   #11 
  - Yes they are in prison.  walldude   Dec-13-10 03:33 PM   #12 
  - Breaking a law for which the legal punishment is prison does make you a slave, yes.  Occam Bandage   Dec-13-10 03:37 PM   #15 
  - Prison exists to protect society from criminals and rehabilitate those men  NuclearDem   Dec-13-10 07:15 PM   #43 
  - Ah, but rehabilitation was completely thrown out of the window in the 1960s  ProudDad   Dec-14-10 11:32 AM   #102 
  - Incorrect, slavery requires labor. Prison simply requires you to be isolated from society.  Sirveri   Dec-14-10 01:30 AM   #72 
  - There's a leap here from...  Pacifist Patriot   Dec-14-10 01:03 PM   #126 
     - I agree, furthermore Bailey v. AL would indicate that the state can't compel labor  Sirveri   Dec-14-10 01:31 PM   #131 
  - You do not understand either the law, or the definition of slavery.  DireStrike   Dec-14-10 12:03 PM   #112 
  - you want to see harsh drug laws .. go overseas ...  littlewolf   Dec-14-10 09:50 PM   #160 
  - Okay..  Upton   Dec-13-10 03:42 PM   #17 
     - Most are in for drugs or some vice "crime". Aka shit that is a crime because somebody says so.  TheKentuckian   Dec-14-10 02:07 AM   #75 
     - I'd really appreciate it if you could cite for us where you got your...  Pacifist Patriot   Dec-14-10 02:53 PM   #142 
  - +1. I cannot conjure up any sympathy either for a striking force  Obamanaut   Dec-13-10 03:55 PM   #20 
  - boggles your mind?  Truth2Tell   Dec-13-10 04:19 PM   #24 
  - It will pass. It is amazing how, on the same forum, one can read one  Obamanaut   Dec-13-10 04:56 PM   #32 
     - I would imagine the one is merely a visceral expression of revenge  LanternWaste   Dec-14-10 01:32 PM   #133 
  - Do you have any evidence that the prison population is dominated by the people you describe?  antigone382   Dec-13-10 04:27 PM   #27 
  - Are you suggesting that the prison population does not contain  Obamanaut   Dec-13-10 04:48 PM   #31 
     - Some in prison are bad guys, therefore no one in prison deserves any basic human rights.  antigone382   Dec-13-10 05:59 PM   #35 
     - No credibility with you? My day is ruined. Oh nooooo. nt  Obamanaut   Dec-14-10 04:33 AM   #84 
        - I bet you can ruin - and have ruined - many days  Tsiyu   Dec-14-10 02:18 PM   #135 
           - Analysis on the internet. Oooh. nt  Obamanaut   Dec-14-10 03:17 PM   #152 
     - Nobody is for coddling. But slavery is unconstitutional.  WinkyDink   Dec-13-10 07:58 PM   #58 
     - Not for prisoners. Read the 13th amendment. nt  Occam Bandage   Dec-13-10 08:26 PM   #63 
        - There is a fundamental problem with your citing of the 13th amendment.  Pacifist Patriot   Dec-14-10 12:59 PM   #124 
     - That explains it...  ProudDad   Dec-14-10 11:35 AM   #103 
     - Based upon my limited experience and perspective...  Pacifist Patriot   Dec-14-10 01:01 PM   #125 
     - Ain't that the truth.  blueamy66   Dec-14-10 02:24 PM   #137 
     - 50% of people in state prisons are there for possessing or selling drugs,  mudplanet   Dec-14-10 02:22 PM   #136 
  - The prisoners aren't being given access to those materials  NuclearDem   Dec-13-10 07:16 PM   #44 
  - They must have access to something, otherwise no one would know  Obamanaut   Dec-14-10 04:21 AM   #82 
     - it specifically says contraband "cell phones"  Hannah Bell   Dec-14-10 02:59 PM   #147 
  - Sounds like you envy them. It's easy to join them, if so.  WinkyDink   Dec-13-10 07:56 PM   #55 
  - That is ridiculous. No, it's funny. I've worked in the prison system as  Obamanaut   Dec-14-10 04:17 AM   #81 
     - I'm sure you would find being caged in a prison cell joy ....  defendandprotect   Dec-14-10 12:13 PM   #118 
     - For someone who had an inside view you have an odd memory.  Pacifist Patriot   Dec-14-10 12:22 PM   #123 
     - I suspect that conditions in state prisons vary greatly state to state.  hedgehog   Dec-14-10 03:21 PM   #153 
  - "Beware of those with a strong urge to punish" ....  defendandprotect   Dec-14-10 12:09 PM   #115 
  - Interesting assumptions about the crimes. Majority of inmates....  Pacifist Patriot   Dec-14-10 12:20 PM   #122 
  - dupe n/t  antigone382   Dec-13-10 04:15 PM   #21 
  - Yeah, cuz it's not like we have the highest percentage and number of incarcerated people...  antigone382   Dec-13-10 04:16 PM   #22 
  - 99% is a bullshit figure and the poster knows it  Tsiyu   Dec-13-10 05:55 PM   #34 
  - Reason is wasted on some...  ProudDad   Dec-14-10 11:37 AM   #104 
  - Sounds good but charge them for room and board.....  whistler162   Dec-13-10 04:18 PM   #23 
  - And laundry, and medical/dental insurance, and a fee to pay all the  Obamanaut   Dec-13-10 04:20 PM   #25 
  - Should we charge them for the beatings and rapes as well? n/t  antigone382   Dec-13-10 04:29 PM   #28 
     - Those are on the house!  NutmegYankee   Dec-13-10 05:44 PM   #33 
        - WE HAVE MORE PEOPLE IN PRISON THAN ANY OTHER COUNTRY IN THE WORLD.  antigone382   Dec-13-10 06:07 PM   #36 
        - Fierce one and well done, antigone!  Kaleko   Dec-13-10 06:10 PM   #37 
        - I really don't like to get aggressive and disrespectful....  antigone382   Dec-13-10 06:19 PM   #38 
        - Do you know *why* our incarceration rate is higher than China's?  Ghost in the Machine   Dec-13-10 07:25 PM   #49 
        - It's not just higher than China's. It's higher than any other country in the world.  antigone382   Dec-13-10 07:46 PM   #52 
           - We are higher because China **EXECUTES** almost 2000 people per year, some for minor drug crimes  Ghost in the Machine   Dec-13-10 08:37 PM   #66 
              - I repeat, we have more prisoners than any other nation in the world.  antigone382   Dec-13-10 08:49 PM   #68 
              - even if they stopped executing 2000-10,000, we'd *still* have a higher rate of imprisonment.  Hannah Bell   Dec-14-10 02:55 PM   #144 
        - +100  Canuckistanian   Dec-13-10 10:48 PM   #71 
        - Emotional? Yes it is.  NutmegYankee   Dec-14-10 04:01 AM   #77 
        - I've lived in a rural area my whole life.  antigone382   Dec-14-10 04:05 AM   #78 
           - As in a conservative?  NutmegYankee   Dec-14-10 04:15 AM   #80 
              - I live in Appalachian Tennessee, so I guess I know about that.  antigone382   Dec-14-10 05:00 AM   #86 
        - +1000  ProudDad   Dec-14-10 11:39 AM   #105 
        - +1000!  SammyWinstonJack   Dec-14-10 12:12 PM   #116 
        - CHINA HARVESTS PRISONERS ORGANS FOR PROFIT...hey, I like typing in all caps! n/t  galileoreloaded   Dec-14-10 01:31 PM   #132 
           - I'm glad for you. Once again "less barbaric than China" =/= "satisfactory"  antigone382   Dec-14-10 03:50 PM   #155 
        - Oh, noez, Connecticut!  superduperfarleft   Dec-13-10 07:19 PM   #45 
        - lmao  antigone382   Dec-13-10 07:53 PM   #53 
        - I live in a rural area. Crime is not expected here.  NutmegYankee   Dec-14-10 03:58 AM   #76 
           - Crime is actually more frequent in rural areas.  antigone382   Dec-14-10 04:13 AM   #79 
        - So everyone in prison is a murderer?  rfranklin   Dec-14-10 02:52 PM   #140 
           - Everyone uses some emotion in an argument.  NutmegYankee   Dec-14-10 04:42 PM   #156 
  - Um, even besides the human rights problem this *does* drive down wages  Starry Messenger   Dec-13-10 04:24 PM   #26 
  - I see this happening in my own community.  antigone382   Dec-13-10 04:37 PM   #29 
     - Wow! Perfect illustration of that scenario.  Starry Messenger   Dec-13-10 06:50 PM   #39 
        - It's a very unusual and frustrating situation, and I'm not sure how it's legal.  antigone382   Dec-13-10 07:04 PM   #40 
  - The Problem With This Line, Sir  The Magistrate   Dec-13-10 04:42 PM   #30 
  - Thank you sir.  Truth2Tell   Dec-13-10 07:09 PM   #41 
  - Spot on. And let me add another problem:  Commie Pinko Dirtbag   Dec-13-10 07:19 PM   #46 
  - Read "The New Jim Crow" by Michelle Alexander. She is a former  brindis_desala   Dec-14-10 01:25 PM   #129 
  - +1  leftstreet   Dec-14-10 02:53 PM   #141 
  - So let's say they keep on refusing to work. What to do?  Commie Pinko Dirtbag   Dec-13-10 07:11 PM   #42 
  - "Many guilty of violent crimes"  glen123098   Dec-13-10 07:20 PM   #47 
  - And many of them are in prison on account of our ridiculous war on drugs.  FrancisTreptoe   Dec-13-10 07:31 PM   #51 
  - What about the ones that AREN'T guilty of violent crimes?  Canuckistanian   Dec-13-10 10:43 PM   #70 
  - Making license plates is one thing  Recursion   Dec-14-10 06:23 AM   #88 
  - Yeah, smokin' dope should be punished by death, right?  ProudDad   Dec-14-10 11:28 AM   #100 
  - I heard that President Obama is negotiating on behalf of the Georgia prison system  corkhead   Dec-14-10 12:02 PM   #111 
  - It's not even close to 99%.  asdjrocky   Dec-14-10 03:05 PM   #150 
  - I agree with this only for those prisoners that are NOT in prison for a violent crime.  cleanhippie   Dec-13-10 03:35 PM   #13 
  - Prisoners have no 13th-amendment rights. It's explicitly in the fucking amendment.  Occam Bandage   Dec-13-10 03:35 PM   #14 
  - I don't give a fuck about the language of the 13th Amendment.  Truth2Tell   Dec-13-10 03:43 PM   #18 
  - Its language may not be "the standard for righteousness,"  Occam Bandage   Dec-13-10 03:48 PM   #19 
  - While technically true it's more complicated than that due to other legal rulings.  Sirveri   Dec-14-10 01:57 AM   #74 
  - True, but that doesn't mean it's economically good  Recursion   Dec-14-10 06:24 AM   #89 
  - You make me sick and you make me ashamed to be a member of this site - n/t  coalition_unwilling   Dec-14-10 01:21 PM   #128 
  - You are incorrect.  Pacifist Patriot   Dec-14-10 03:00 PM   #148 
  - K&R... I live in Atlanta and have not heard about this...  RT Atlanta   Dec-13-10 03:38 PM   #16 
  - Am I the only person who actually does have any sympathy for prisoners?  NuclearDem   Dec-13-10 07:23 PM   #48 
  - +1  antigone382   Dec-13-10 07:56 PM   #56 
  - No, you are not alone. They are paid slave wages for Big Corporations.  WinkyDink   Dec-13-10 07:57 PM   #57 
  - One wonders why, if so many of those incarcerated wanted to 'turn their  Obamanaut   Dec-14-10 04:27 AM   #83 
  - assuming what you say is true, what is your point?  eShirl   Dec-14-10 04:50 AM   #85 
     - Refer to response #48. If so many 'inside' wanted to turn their lives  Obamanaut   Dec-14-10 05:02 AM   #87 
        - Just because some people in prison continue to commit crimes, doesn't mean everyone in there does  NuclearDem   Dec-14-10 11:15 AM   #98 
           - And just because some law enforcement officers go to extremes, doesn't mean  Obamanaut   Dec-14-10 01:56 PM   #134 
  - +1000% --  defendandprotect   Dec-14-10 12:17 PM   #120 
  - Unrec'd  brooklynite   Dec-13-10 07:26 PM   #50 
  - Ooops, I had almost forgotten to REC. Thanks for the heads up.  Commie Pinko Dirtbag   Dec-13-10 08:25 PM   #62 
  - Point me to a link from a major network please. thanks. nt  Truth2Tell   Dec-13-10 08:31 PM   #65 
  - The Atlanta Journal, linked, is a very large paper. If networks don't  Obamanaut   Dec-14-10 06:38 AM   #90 
  - I listened to Amy Goodman on Democracy Now! this a.m.  KansDem   Dec-14-10 10:46 AM   #94 
     - Yeah, that must be it..  Upton   Dec-14-10 11:04 AM   #96 
        - I don't have sympathy for people who commit crimes  NuclearDem   Dec-14-10 11:10 AM   #97 
        - And the guards selling the phones are...committing a crime?  KansDem   Dec-14-10 11:29 AM   #101 
        - Violent crimes are NOT acceptable  Upton   Dec-14-10 11:43 AM   #107 
           - Reality is a fine, fine thing  Tsiyu   Dec-14-10 02:33 PM   #138 
              - Sure is..  Upton   Dec-14-10 03:32 PM   #154 
              - Yeah, since we're in favor of coddling criminals  NuclearDem   Dec-14-10 05:18 PM   #158 
              - Why would they choose Reality...  mstinamotorcity   Dec-14-10 04:42 PM   #157 
        - Human trash?  Pacifist Patriot   Dec-14-10 01:05 PM   #127 
  - Prison, by design, is supposed to really really suck.  Throd   Dec-13-10 07:55 PM   #54 
  - So much for "rehabilitation." Is "incarceration" a synonym for "slavery"?  WinkyDink   Dec-13-10 07:59 PM   #59 
  - Yeah, pretty much.  Throd   Dec-13-10 08:09 PM   #61 
  - Ask Jan Brewer of AZ. I'm sure she likes the idea.  lonestarnot   Dec-13-10 08:42 PM   #67 
  - That depends on the jail. Some jails actually attempt to  Exilednight   Dec-13-10 08:05 PM   #60 
  - Is there such a thing as excessive suckage?  Commie Pinko Dirtbag   Dec-13-10 08:27 PM   #64 
  - rape, abuse, slavery  upi402   Dec-14-10 01:33 AM   #73 
  - K&R  Canuckistanian   Dec-13-10 10:38 PM   #69 
  - As a volunteer jail chaplain....  Pacifist Patriot   Dec-14-10 09:48 AM   #91 
  - Thank you...  ProudDad   Dec-14-10 11:41 AM   #106 
  - Thank you so much for the work you do  NuclearDem   Dec-14-10 11:47 AM   #109 
     - I wish I could do more. Unfortunately...  Pacifist Patriot   Dec-14-10 12:13 PM   #117 
  - Wow, hadn't heard of this. Thanks. nt  valerief   Dec-14-10 10:35 AM   #92 
  - We all know that our prisons are used for slave labor (when China labor is just too darn expensive).  valerief   Dec-14-10 10:36 AM   #93 
  - the GOP is probably determined to turn prisons INTO factories to compete with China  tomm2thumbs   Dec-14-10 10:59 AM   #95 
  - You know what's SO ironic...  ProudDad   Dec-14-10 11:26 AM   #99 
  - That's a key to the problem right there.  Pacifist Patriot   Dec-14-10 12:17 PM   #121 
  - Alright, I just don't understand. As a former inmate who was rehabilitated by our prison system  NuclearDem   Dec-14-10 11:44 AM   #108 
  - +1  blueamy66   Dec-14-10 02:43 PM   #139 
  - I wish I could rec a response.  Pacifist Patriot   Dec-14-10 07:29 PM   #159 
  - Our future generations will look back at our PIC and shake their heads,  The Midway Rebel   Dec-14-10 11:52 AM   #110 
  - I do wonder how much of the venom comes from ignorance.  Pacifist Patriot   Dec-14-10 12:15 PM   #119 
  - We've got endless URGENT issues to work on -- this is certainly one of them...!!!  defendandprotect   Dec-14-10 12:05 PM   #113 
  - Criminals or not  davidthegnome   Dec-14-10 12:08 PM   #114 
  - Kicked and recommended.  Uncle Joe   Dec-14-10 01:30 PM   #130 
  - Prison Labor is big business when you are the country with the most prisoners per capita -  TBF   Dec-14-10 02:53 PM   #143 
  - USA! USA! USA!!  Cali_Democrat   Dec-14-10 02:58 PM   #146 
  - It seems to me asking for some human decency  mstinamotorcity   Dec-14-10 02:57 PM   #145 
  - Solidarity.  asdjrocky   Dec-14-10 03:02 PM   #149 
  - Work is "assigned" to to prisoners, but what happens if a prisoner refuses?  aikoaiko   Dec-14-10 03:10 PM   #151 
  - depending on the state ...  littlewolf   Dec-14-10 09:56 PM   #161 
  - Solidarity. nt  laughingliberal   Dec-14-10 10:13 PM   #162 
  - can't speak for GA .. but NC ...  littlewolf   Dec-14-10 10:15 PM   #163 
 

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