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48. Am I the only person who actually does have any sympathy for prisoners?
Yes, there are some fucking awful people behind bars, but there are plenty of people in prison who legitimately want to turn their lives around. Even some of the most violent offenders.

And for everyone that says prisoners shed their human rights when they're sent to prison, fucking shame on you. Every human being on Earth has those rights; the right to nutritious meals, education, wages, and decent living conditions. I'm not saying give them all LCD TVs or serve them steak and eggs on Sunday, I'm saying give them something they can live safely in. Give them an environment they can make some real change in; the more people reform themselves in prison and can go on living productive lives in society, the fewer prisons we'll need, and the more productive citizens we'll have.

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  -Day 3 of Historic Prison Strike in Georgia - Blacked out By Media Truth2Tell  Dec-13-10 03:05 PM   #0 
  - K&R  EFerrari   Dec-13-10 03:07 PM   #1 
  - K&R was just about to post, but you beat me to it!  Puregonzo1188   Dec-13-10 03:11 PM   #2 
  - kr  Hannah Bell   Dec-13-10 03:13 PM   #3 
  - NYT, Slate, ABC, every GA outlet  Recursion   Dec-13-10 03:14 PM   #4 
  - If I haven't seen it  Truth2Tell   Dec-13-10 03:23 PM   #5 
  - dupe  Truth2Tell   Dec-13-10 03:24 PM   #6 
  - Part of trends  nadinbrzezinski   Dec-13-10 03:26 PM   #7 
  - "A LIVING WAGE FOR WORK"  Upton   Dec-13-10 03:27 PM   #8 
  - yay for slave labor! (nt)  Krakowiak   Dec-13-10 03:31 PM   #9 
  - dupe.  Krakowiak   Dec-13-10 03:31 PM   #10 
  - Perhaps the 'living wage' concession is moot  Earth_First   Dec-13-10 03:32 PM   #11 
  - Yes they are in prison.  walldude   Dec-13-10 03:33 PM   #12 
  - Breaking a law for which the legal punishment is prison does make you a slave, yes.  Occam Bandage   Dec-13-10 03:37 PM   #15 
  - Prison exists to protect society from criminals and rehabilitate those men  NuclearDem   Dec-13-10 07:15 PM   #43 
  - Ah, but rehabilitation was completely thrown out of the window in the 1960s  ProudDad   Dec-14-10 11:32 AM   #102 
  - Incorrect, slavery requires labor. Prison simply requires you to be isolated from society.  Sirveri   Dec-14-10 01:30 AM   #72 
  - There's a leap here from...  Pacifist Patriot   Dec-14-10 01:03 PM   #126 
     - I agree, furthermore Bailey v. AL would indicate that the state can't compel labor  Sirveri   Dec-14-10 01:31 PM   #131 
  - You do not understand either the law, or the definition of slavery.  DireStrike   Dec-14-10 12:03 PM   #112 
  - you want to see harsh drug laws .. go overseas ...  littlewolf   Dec-14-10 09:50 PM   #160 
  - Okay..  Upton   Dec-13-10 03:42 PM   #17 
     - Most are in for drugs or some vice "crime". Aka shit that is a crime because somebody says so.  TheKentuckian   Dec-14-10 02:07 AM   #75 
     - I'd really appreciate it if you could cite for us where you got your...  Pacifist Patriot   Dec-14-10 02:53 PM   #142 
  - +1. I cannot conjure up any sympathy either for a striking force  Obamanaut   Dec-13-10 03:55 PM   #20 
  - boggles your mind?  Truth2Tell   Dec-13-10 04:19 PM   #24 
  - It will pass. It is amazing how, on the same forum, one can read one  Obamanaut   Dec-13-10 04:56 PM   #32 
     - I would imagine the one is merely a visceral expression of revenge  LanternWaste   Dec-14-10 01:32 PM   #133 
  - Do you have any evidence that the prison population is dominated by the people you describe?  antigone382   Dec-13-10 04:27 PM   #27 
  - Are you suggesting that the prison population does not contain  Obamanaut   Dec-13-10 04:48 PM   #31 
     - Some in prison are bad guys, therefore no one in prison deserves any basic human rights.  antigone382   Dec-13-10 05:59 PM   #35 
     - No credibility with you? My day is ruined. Oh nooooo. nt  Obamanaut   Dec-14-10 04:33 AM   #84 
        - I bet you can ruin - and have ruined - many days  Tsiyu   Dec-14-10 02:18 PM   #135 
           - Analysis on the internet. Oooh. nt  Obamanaut   Dec-14-10 03:17 PM   #152 
     - Nobody is for coddling. But slavery is unconstitutional.  WinkyDink   Dec-13-10 07:58 PM   #58 
     - Not for prisoners. Read the 13th amendment. nt  Occam Bandage   Dec-13-10 08:26 PM   #63 
        - There is a fundamental problem with your citing of the 13th amendment.  Pacifist Patriot   Dec-14-10 12:59 PM   #124 
     - That explains it...  ProudDad   Dec-14-10 11:35 AM   #103 
     - Based upon my limited experience and perspective...  Pacifist Patriot   Dec-14-10 01:01 PM   #125 
     - Ain't that the truth.  blueamy66   Dec-14-10 02:24 PM   #137 
     - 50% of people in state prisons are there for possessing or selling drugs,  mudplanet   Dec-14-10 02:22 PM   #136 
  - The prisoners aren't being given access to those materials  NuclearDem   Dec-13-10 07:16 PM   #44 
  - They must have access to something, otherwise no one would know  Obamanaut   Dec-14-10 04:21 AM   #82 
     - it specifically says contraband "cell phones"  Hannah Bell   Dec-14-10 02:59 PM   #147 
  - Sounds like you envy them. It's easy to join them, if so.  WinkyDink   Dec-13-10 07:56 PM   #55 
  - That is ridiculous. No, it's funny. I've worked in the prison system as  Obamanaut   Dec-14-10 04:17 AM   #81 
     - I'm sure you would find being caged in a prison cell joy ....  defendandprotect   Dec-14-10 12:13 PM   #118 
     - For someone who had an inside view you have an odd memory.  Pacifist Patriot   Dec-14-10 12:22 PM   #123 
     - I suspect that conditions in state prisons vary greatly state to state.  hedgehog   Dec-14-10 03:21 PM   #153 
  - "Beware of those with a strong urge to punish" ....  defendandprotect   Dec-14-10 12:09 PM   #115 
  - Interesting assumptions about the crimes. Majority of inmates....  Pacifist Patriot   Dec-14-10 12:20 PM   #122 
  - dupe n/t  antigone382   Dec-13-10 04:15 PM   #21 
  - Yeah, cuz it's not like we have the highest percentage and number of incarcerated people...  antigone382   Dec-13-10 04:16 PM   #22 
  - 99% is a bullshit figure and the poster knows it  Tsiyu   Dec-13-10 05:55 PM   #34 
  - Reason is wasted on some...  ProudDad   Dec-14-10 11:37 AM   #104 
  - Sounds good but charge them for room and board.....  whistler162   Dec-13-10 04:18 PM   #23 
  - And laundry, and medical/dental insurance, and a fee to pay all the  Obamanaut   Dec-13-10 04:20 PM   #25 
  - Should we charge them for the beatings and rapes as well? n/t  antigone382   Dec-13-10 04:29 PM   #28 
     - Those are on the house!  NutmegYankee   Dec-13-10 05:44 PM   #33 
        - WE HAVE MORE PEOPLE IN PRISON THAN ANY OTHER COUNTRY IN THE WORLD.  antigone382   Dec-13-10 06:07 PM   #36 
        - Fierce one and well done, antigone!  Kaleko   Dec-13-10 06:10 PM   #37 
        - I really don't like to get aggressive and disrespectful....  antigone382   Dec-13-10 06:19 PM   #38 
        - Do you know *why* our incarceration rate is higher than China's?  Ghost in the Machine   Dec-13-10 07:25 PM   #49 
        - It's not just higher than China's. It's higher than any other country in the world.  antigone382   Dec-13-10 07:46 PM   #52 
           - We are higher because China **EXECUTES** almost 2000 people per year, some for minor drug crimes  Ghost in the Machine   Dec-13-10 08:37 PM   #66 
              - I repeat, we have more prisoners than any other nation in the world.  antigone382   Dec-13-10 08:49 PM   #68 
              - even if they stopped executing 2000-10,000, we'd *still* have a higher rate of imprisonment.  Hannah Bell   Dec-14-10 02:55 PM   #144 
        - +100  Canuckistanian   Dec-13-10 10:48 PM   #71 
        - Emotional? Yes it is.  NutmegYankee   Dec-14-10 04:01 AM   #77 
        - I've lived in a rural area my whole life.  antigone382   Dec-14-10 04:05 AM   #78 
           - As in a conservative?  NutmegYankee   Dec-14-10 04:15 AM   #80 
              - I live in Appalachian Tennessee, so I guess I know about that.  antigone382   Dec-14-10 05:00 AM   #86 
        - +1000  ProudDad   Dec-14-10 11:39 AM   #105 
        - +1000!  SammyWinstonJack   Dec-14-10 12:12 PM   #116 
        - CHINA HARVESTS PRISONERS ORGANS FOR PROFIT...hey, I like typing in all caps! n/t  galileoreloaded   Dec-14-10 01:31 PM   #132 
           - I'm glad for you. Once again "less barbaric than China" =/= "satisfactory"  antigone382   Dec-14-10 03:50 PM   #155 
        - Oh, noez, Connecticut!  superduperfarleft   Dec-13-10 07:19 PM   #45 
        - lmao  antigone382   Dec-13-10 07:53 PM   #53 
        - I live in a rural area. Crime is not expected here.  NutmegYankee   Dec-14-10 03:58 AM   #76 
           - Crime is actually more frequent in rural areas.  antigone382   Dec-14-10 04:13 AM   #79 
        - So everyone in prison is a murderer?  rfranklin   Dec-14-10 02:52 PM   #140 
           - Everyone uses some emotion in an argument.  NutmegYankee   Dec-14-10 04:42 PM   #156 
  - Um, even besides the human rights problem this *does* drive down wages  Starry Messenger   Dec-13-10 04:24 PM   #26 
  - I see this happening in my own community.  antigone382   Dec-13-10 04:37 PM   #29 
     - Wow! Perfect illustration of that scenario.  Starry Messenger   Dec-13-10 06:50 PM   #39 
        - It's a very unusual and frustrating situation, and I'm not sure how it's legal.  antigone382   Dec-13-10 07:04 PM   #40 
  - The Problem With This Line, Sir  The Magistrate   Dec-13-10 04:42 PM   #30 
  - Thank you sir.  Truth2Tell   Dec-13-10 07:09 PM   #41 
  - Spot on. And let me add another problem:  Commie Pinko Dirtbag   Dec-13-10 07:19 PM   #46 
  - Read "The New Jim Crow" by Michelle Alexander. She is a former  brindis_desala   Dec-14-10 01:25 PM   #129 
  - +1  leftstreet   Dec-14-10 02:53 PM   #141 
  - So let's say they keep on refusing to work. What to do?  Commie Pinko Dirtbag   Dec-13-10 07:11 PM   #42 
  - "Many guilty of violent crimes"  glen123098   Dec-13-10 07:20 PM   #47 
  - And many of them are in prison on account of our ridiculous war on drugs.  FrancisTreptoe   Dec-13-10 07:31 PM   #51 
  - What about the ones that AREN'T guilty of violent crimes?  Canuckistanian   Dec-13-10 10:43 PM   #70 
  - Making license plates is one thing  Recursion   Dec-14-10 06:23 AM   #88 
  - Yeah, smokin' dope should be punished by death, right?  ProudDad   Dec-14-10 11:28 AM   #100 
  - I heard that President Obama is negotiating on behalf of the Georgia prison system  corkhead   Dec-14-10 12:02 PM   #111 
  - It's not even close to 99%.  asdjrocky   Dec-14-10 03:05 PM   #150 
  - I agree with this only for those prisoners that are NOT in prison for a violent crime.  cleanhippie   Dec-13-10 03:35 PM   #13 
  - Prisoners have no 13th-amendment rights. It's explicitly in the fucking amendment.  Occam Bandage   Dec-13-10 03:35 PM   #14 
  - I don't give a fuck about the language of the 13th Amendment.  Truth2Tell   Dec-13-10 03:43 PM   #18 
  - Its language may not be "the standard for righteousness,"  Occam Bandage   Dec-13-10 03:48 PM   #19 
  - While technically true it's more complicated than that due to other legal rulings.  Sirveri   Dec-14-10 01:57 AM   #74 
  - True, but that doesn't mean it's economically good  Recursion   Dec-14-10 06:24 AM   #89 
  - You make me sick and you make me ashamed to be a member of this site - n/t  coalition_unwilling   Dec-14-10 01:21 PM   #128 
  - You are incorrect.  Pacifist Patriot   Dec-14-10 03:00 PM   #148 
  - K&R... I live in Atlanta and have not heard about this...  RT Atlanta   Dec-13-10 03:38 PM   #16 
  - Am I the only person who actually does have any sympathy for prisoners?  NuclearDem   Dec-13-10 07:23 PM   #48 
  - +1  antigone382   Dec-13-10 07:56 PM   #56 
  - No, you are not alone. They are paid slave wages for Big Corporations.  WinkyDink   Dec-13-10 07:57 PM   #57 
  - One wonders why, if so many of those incarcerated wanted to 'turn their  Obamanaut   Dec-14-10 04:27 AM   #83 
  - assuming what you say is true, what is your point?  eShirl   Dec-14-10 04:50 AM   #85 
     - Refer to response #48. If so many 'inside' wanted to turn their lives  Obamanaut   Dec-14-10 05:02 AM   #87 
        - Just because some people in prison continue to commit crimes, doesn't mean everyone in there does  NuclearDem   Dec-14-10 11:15 AM   #98 
           - And just because some law enforcement officers go to extremes, doesn't mean  Obamanaut   Dec-14-10 01:56 PM   #134 
  - +1000% --  defendandprotect   Dec-14-10 12:17 PM   #120 
  - Unrec'd  brooklynite   Dec-13-10 07:26 PM   #50 
  - Ooops, I had almost forgotten to REC. Thanks for the heads up.  Commie Pinko Dirtbag   Dec-13-10 08:25 PM   #62 
  - Point me to a link from a major network please. thanks. nt  Truth2Tell   Dec-13-10 08:31 PM   #65 
  - The Atlanta Journal, linked, is a very large paper. If networks don't  Obamanaut   Dec-14-10 06:38 AM   #90 
  - I listened to Amy Goodman on Democracy Now! this a.m.  KansDem   Dec-14-10 10:46 AM   #94 
     - Yeah, that must be it..  Upton   Dec-14-10 11:04 AM   #96 
        - I don't have sympathy for people who commit crimes  NuclearDem   Dec-14-10 11:10 AM   #97 
        - And the guards selling the phones are...committing a crime?  KansDem   Dec-14-10 11:29 AM   #101 
        - Violent crimes are NOT acceptable  Upton   Dec-14-10 11:43 AM   #107 
           - Reality is a fine, fine thing  Tsiyu   Dec-14-10 02:33 PM   #138 
              - Sure is..  Upton   Dec-14-10 03:32 PM   #154 
              - Yeah, since we're in favor of coddling criminals  NuclearDem   Dec-14-10 05:18 PM   #158 
              - Why would they choose Reality...  mstinamotorcity   Dec-14-10 04:42 PM   #157 
        - Human trash?  Pacifist Patriot   Dec-14-10 01:05 PM   #127 
  - Prison, by design, is supposed to really really suck.  Throd   Dec-13-10 07:55 PM   #54 
  - So much for "rehabilitation." Is "incarceration" a synonym for "slavery"?  WinkyDink   Dec-13-10 07:59 PM   #59 
  - Yeah, pretty much.  Throd   Dec-13-10 08:09 PM   #61 
  - Ask Jan Brewer of AZ. I'm sure she likes the idea.  lonestarnot   Dec-13-10 08:42 PM   #67 
  - That depends on the jail. Some jails actually attempt to  Exilednight   Dec-13-10 08:05 PM   #60 
  - Is there such a thing as excessive suckage?  Commie Pinko Dirtbag   Dec-13-10 08:27 PM   #64 
  - rape, abuse, slavery  upi402   Dec-14-10 01:33 AM   #73 
  - K&R  Canuckistanian   Dec-13-10 10:38 PM   #69 
  - As a volunteer jail chaplain....  Pacifist Patriot   Dec-14-10 09:48 AM   #91 
  - Thank you...  ProudDad   Dec-14-10 11:41 AM   #106 
  - Thank you so much for the work you do  NuclearDem   Dec-14-10 11:47 AM   #109 
     - I wish I could do more. Unfortunately...  Pacifist Patriot   Dec-14-10 12:13 PM   #117 
  - Wow, hadn't heard of this. Thanks. nt  valerief   Dec-14-10 10:35 AM   #92 
  - We all know that our prisons are used for slave labor (when China labor is just too darn expensive).  valerief   Dec-14-10 10:36 AM   #93 
  - the GOP is probably determined to turn prisons INTO factories to compete with China  tomm2thumbs   Dec-14-10 10:59 AM   #95 
  - You know what's SO ironic...  ProudDad   Dec-14-10 11:26 AM   #99 
  - That's a key to the problem right there.  Pacifist Patriot   Dec-14-10 12:17 PM   #121 
  - Alright, I just don't understand. As a former inmate who was rehabilitated by our prison system  NuclearDem   Dec-14-10 11:44 AM   #108 
  - +1  blueamy66   Dec-14-10 02:43 PM   #139 
  - I wish I could rec a response.  Pacifist Patriot   Dec-14-10 07:29 PM   #159 
  - Our future generations will look back at our PIC and shake their heads,  The Midway Rebel   Dec-14-10 11:52 AM   #110 
  - I do wonder how much of the venom comes from ignorance.  Pacifist Patriot   Dec-14-10 12:15 PM   #119 
  - We've got endless URGENT issues to work on -- this is certainly one of them...!!!  defendandprotect   Dec-14-10 12:05 PM   #113 
  - Criminals or not  davidthegnome   Dec-14-10 12:08 PM   #114 
  - Kicked and recommended.  Uncle Joe   Dec-14-10 01:30 PM   #130 
  - Prison Labor is big business when you are the country with the most prisoners per capita -  TBF   Dec-14-10 02:53 PM   #143 
  - USA! USA! USA!!  Cali_Democrat   Dec-14-10 02:58 PM   #146 
  - It seems to me asking for some human decency  mstinamotorcity   Dec-14-10 02:57 PM   #145 
  - Solidarity.  asdjrocky   Dec-14-10 03:02 PM   #149 
  - Work is "assigned" to to prisoners, but what happens if a prisoner refuses?  aikoaiko   Dec-14-10 03:10 PM   #151 
  - depending on the state ...  littlewolf   Dec-14-10 09:56 PM   #161 
  - Solidarity. nt  laughingliberal   Dec-14-10 10:13 PM   #162 
  - can't speak for GA .. but NC ...  littlewolf   Dec-14-10 10:15 PM   #163 

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