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Pacifist Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-21-10 09:17 AM
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I've noticed something about people in our jails.
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At least my county's detention center.

These are not "bad" people. Yes, even those whose poor choices have lead them to do some really bad things.

Most of the inmates I meet have simply failed to develop impulse control and are easily persuaded and do not possess either the ability to forecast consequences for their actions or the willingness to do so. This is something we cultivate in the context of a "safe holding environment." In other words, we mature best when surrounded by people who nurture and affirm us.

Which has pretty much helped me understand the mindset on Wall Street and among the far right a little bit more since I've long considered it to be akin to criminal behavior, though sometimes it outright is.

* Lack of impulse control (unmitigated greed) combined with failure to forecast consequences (the soundness of our economy be damned)

* Lack of impulse control (eagerness to be mislead by propaganda into a pack mentality) combined with the inability to forecast consequences (continuously voting against one's own self interests)

I'm not saying everyone on Wall Street or affiliated with the Tea Party comes from dysfunctional families, but I'm thinking it says volumes about a dysfunctional society. We suck as a "safe holding environment." I'm also not saying this is The answer or The explanation. It's just an insight I've been contemplating lately. These are definitely thoughts in process.
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  -I've noticed something about people in our jails. Pacifist Patriot  Dec-21-10 09:17 AM   #0 
  - Except for wall street the consequence isn't theirs to bear as they got their share already.  dkf   Dec-21-10 09:22 AM   #1 
  - I think ignoring consequences is an important aspect of the behavior on Wall Street.  Pacifist Patriot   Dec-21-10 09:52 AM   #9 
     - If Americans cared about future generations there would be manageable debt  dkf   Dec-21-10 10:15 AM   #15 
        - I'm definitely not arguing with you there.  Pacifist Patriot   Dec-21-10 10:16 AM   #17 
  - We really have to be careful of the "voting against their own interests" line  Recursion   Dec-21-10 09:29 AM   #2 
  - I know the plural of anecdote isn't data, but....  Pacifist Patriot   Dec-21-10 09:49 AM   #6 
  - OK, but read what you just said  Recursion   Dec-21-10 12:33 PM   #34 
  - Agree with your opinion and want to add  kiva   Dec-21-10 12:13 PM   #31 
     - I guess I define "own interests" perhaps a bit more broadly?  Pacifist Patriot   Dec-21-10 12:28 PM   #32 
        - I like your definition.  kiva   Dec-21-10 12:59 PM   #40 
  - One of the things that highly frustrates me  supernova   Dec-21-10 09:31 AM   #3 
  - Lack of impulse control  kctim   Dec-21-10 09:36 AM   #4 
  - Nice  BanzaiBonnie   Dec-21-10 09:56 AM   #12 
     - Excellent work.  Pacifist Patriot   Dec-21-10 10:15 AM   #16 
     - Problem is  kctim   Dec-21-10 11:03 AM   #24 
        - One of our basic needs is feeling safe  BanzaiBonnie   Dec-21-10 03:24 PM   #46 
  - It appears in movies and TV that once you have a record...  kickysnana   Dec-21-10 09:48 AM   #5 
  - It makes it very difficult, yes.  Pacifist Patriot   Dec-21-10 09:51 AM   #7 
  - Rehab in MN has been cut systematically.  MedicalAdmin   Dec-21-10 11:02 AM   #22 
  - Criminal background check is part of most hiring processes  Nikia   Dec-21-10 11:03 AM   #23 
  - In Law School ... many years ago ...  Kweli4Real   Dec-21-10 11:30 AM   #29 
  - Felon or sex offender, that's pretty much true.  Hannah Bell   Dec-21-10 12:33 PM   #33 
  - Fetal Alcohol Syndrome... explains a lot.....  Bigmack   Dec-21-10 09:51 AM   #8 
  - Good point  Dogmudgeon   Dec-21-10 10:13 AM   #14 
  - except that the part of wall street that is unhealthy is quite methodical and planned  unblock   Dec-21-10 09:53 AM   #10 
  - These are thoughts in progress and no analogy is perfect.  Pacifist Patriot   Dec-21-10 09:55 AM   #11 
  - Great wisdom in your post. We DO suck as a safe holding environment. n/t  LiberalLoner   Dec-21-10 10:08 AM   #13 
  - I think that may be a fundamental difference between....  Pacifist Patriot   Dec-21-10 10:18 AM   #18 
  - I disagree in part - there are truly some evil shits in our prisons, but our prisons  old mark   Dec-21-10 10:45 AM   #19 
  - Most of our local jail population qualifies for work/community service release  Nikia   Dec-21-10 11:07 AM   #25 
     - Where I was working , we had rapists, kidnappers and many others who  old mark   Dec-21-10 01:21 PM   #41 
  - Problem  obxhead   Dec-21-10 10:49 AM   #20 
  - I'm not really talking about personal consequences in terms of weighing the risk...  Pacifist Patriot   Dec-21-10 11:17 AM   #26 
     - I apologize.  obxhead   Dec-21-10 12:40 PM   #37 
        - Which I've never really understood with those who have children.  Pacifist Patriot   Dec-21-10 02:44 PM   #42 
  - Check out the work of Dr. Ruby Payne.  MedicalAdmin   Dec-21-10 10:58 AM   #21 
  - Thanks! I will definitely check that out.  Pacifist Patriot   Dec-21-10 11:18 AM   #27 
  - You're welcome. I look forward to hearing what you think.  MedicalAdmin   Dec-21-10 12:07 PM   #30 
  - "Hidden Rules of Poverty" was mandatory reading for my teacher training.  rucky   Dec-21-10 12:38 PM   #36 
  - Thank you for pointing out that those who are suffering...  Xenotime   Dec-21-10 11:22 AM   #28 
  - people with poor impulse control ARE bad people  pitohui   Dec-21-10 12:36 PM   #35 
  - Feller' told me  BeFree   Dec-21-10 12:42 PM   #38 
  - That's a pretty cynical view of humanity.  Pacifist Patriot   Dec-21-10 02:46 PM   #43 
  - Unmitigated greed does not equal poor impulse control  cali   Dec-21-10 12:53 PM   #39 
  - okay  Pacifist Patriot   Dec-21-10 02:47 PM   #44 
  - America's prison system is a disgrace  Bragi   Dec-21-10 02:48 PM   #45 
     - Good idea!  Pacifist Patriot   Dec-21-10 03:41 PM   #47 
        - Go for it!  Bragi   Dec-22-10 08:32 AM   #48 

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