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salvorhardin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-11 04:11 PM
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113. Oh, definitely
Just talking about actual taxes alone, the poor have an almost 25% effective tax rate while the rich have an effective tax rate of about 10%-15%.
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  -No food stamps for junk food---my true intentions Jmaxfie1  Feb-24-11 01:49 AM   #0 
  - We had a thread today where some stupid fucker spent $32K for a 6th birthday party and it went...  JVS   Feb-24-11 01:53 AM   #1 
  - Thank you.  Bluebear   Feb-24-11 02:59 AM   #20 
  - I think it has more to do with what we (tax payers, govt) are providing for the poor than  aikoaiko   Feb-24-11 06:48 AM   #32 
  - And what makes you think that "you" are the one providing it?  Lyric   Feb-24-11 07:32 AM   #40 
  - Most food stamp recipients do pay taxes  salvorhardin   Feb-24-11 08:04 AM   #44 
  - Since someone will inevitably point this out, it's true that FS recipients pay no food taxes  Lyric   Feb-24-11 08:23 AM   #49 
  - I don't know why food stamps don't pay for toiletries. I would consider them essentials.  Jmaxfie1   Feb-24-11 08:29 AM   #50 
  - I agree, but I'd almost dread the aftermath of having such things permitted.  Lyric   Feb-24-11 08:36 AM   #53 
     - That blows.  Jmaxfie1   Feb-24-11 08:50 AM   #54 
     - I don't know...  blueamy66   Feb-24-11 07:56 PM   #129 
  - exactly! i always try to point out that we ALL pay taxes be it through buying  ejpoeta   Feb-24-11 09:59 AM   #59 
     - Oh, definitely  salvorhardin   Feb-24-11 04:11 PM   #113 
  - Most people I see using food stamps also pay cash for other items -  haele   Feb-24-11 12:35 PM   #75 
  - Oh get real, they're poor people. And it's a scientific fact that poor people are a bunch of...  JVS   Feb-24-11 09:05 AM   #57 
  - It doesn't really matter if recipients are, have, or will ever pay taxes.  aikoaiko   Feb-24-11 12:15 PM   #73 
  - +1  geardaddy   Feb-24-11 04:29 PM   #117 
  - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Feb-24-11 12:40 PM   #77 
  - Truth. Thanks for the sanity. nt  blondeatlast   Feb-24-11 10:00 AM   #60 
  - People are lot more tolerant when it isn't their money being wasted  Freddie Stubbs   Feb-24-11 11:24 AM   #69 
  - You got that right. It is all about control, and Dems are just as much control freaks as Reps.  bobbolink   Feb-24-11 12:39 PM   #76 
  - I'm trying to see your point  leftynyc   Feb-24-11 02:29 PM   #101 
  - This topic has been visited before. It is one of the big  era veteran   Feb-24-11 02:05 AM   #2 
  - I know its a hard issue.  Jmaxfie1   Feb-24-11 02:10 AM   #4 
     - Past postings  era veteran   Feb-24-11 06:05 AM   #27 
  - you wrote:  grasswire   Feb-24-11 02:07 AM   #3 
  - Not to mention food deserts. Where there is little to none healthy food available  Luminous Animal   Feb-24-11 02:16 AM   #5 
  - I'm not sure if this would even be feasible  Jmaxfie1   Feb-24-11 02:23 AM   #8 
     - There are food activists who are doing that. And also establishing urban farms.  Luminous Animal   Feb-24-11 02:38 AM   #17 
     - That cools.  Jmaxfie1   Feb-24-11 02:47 AM   #19 
     - Those are interesting ideas  Dorian Gray   Feb-24-11 06:51 AM   #33 
     - We have that in New Haven. All of the farmers markets take food stamps.  CTyankee   Feb-24-11 07:27 AM   #38 
     - Wow, that's Great!!! n/t  Jmaxfie1   Feb-24-11 07:29 AM   #39 
     - Same here in Philly. All Farmer's Markets take the Food Stamp card, and the  msanthrope   Feb-24-11 05:50 PM   #122 
     - It has been shown here before.. only affluent people can afford Farmer's Markets.  bobbolink   Feb-24-11 01:50 PM   #85 
        - No, there are proven models for providing affordability at farmers markets.  Gormy Cuss   Feb-24-11 08:20 PM   #133 
  - I agree,  Jmaxfie1   Feb-24-11 02:18 AM   #7 
     - actually if you ate pasta and beans,  DesertFlower   Feb-24-11 02:37 AM   #16 
        - Yeah, to hell with diabetics and hypoglycemics. I'm glad you know so much more than my doctor.  bobbolink   Feb-24-11 01:52 PM   #87 
           - of course if you have diabetes you  DesertFlower   Feb-24-11 03:06 PM   #105 
              - No, you're making general prescriptions because you know better what everyone should have.  bobbolink   Feb-24-11 03:11 PM   #106 
              - i was giving an opinion. it was something i  DesertFlower   Feb-24-11 03:17 PM   #108 
                 - the hostility is coming from people who want to control those they see as beneath them.  bobbolink   Feb-24-11 03:48 PM   #112 
                    - i never said anything about you being poor.  DesertFlower   Feb-24-11 04:21 PM   #114 
                       - Geeez, this isn't that complicated. Try to follow this... people on food stamps are poor.  bobbolink   Feb-24-11 04:27 PM   #115 
                       - You said nothing offensive. Your observations upon reading the  msanthrope   Feb-24-11 05:54 PM   #123 
                          - thank you. nt  DesertFlower   Feb-24-11 11:08 PM   #165 
              - Diabetics can eat pasta and beans.  wickerwoman   Feb-25-11 02:05 PM   #180 
                 - Who should I believe... you or my doctor?  bobbolink   Feb-25-11 04:01 PM   #184 
                    - If your doctor is telling you you can't eat any carbs  wickerwoman   Feb-25-11 09:21 PM   #189 
                       - I will listen to my doctor, thank you, My doctor shows a lot more concern.  bobbolink   Feb-26-11 02:37 PM   #191 
  - Nanny State Much?  Mojeoux   Feb-24-11 02:18 AM   #6 
  - Isn't giving people money to feed themselves already a Nanny State activity?  Freddie Stubbs   Feb-24-11 11:31 AM   #70 
     - Yeah, fucking let 'em starve, Freddie, because your power trumps all.  bobbolink   Feb-24-11 01:53 PM   #88 
        - Of course not  Freddie Stubbs   Feb-24-11 02:02 PM   #90 
           - The real waste is in the corporations that you support, and you know that, and you also know that WE  bobbolink   Feb-24-11 02:07 PM   #93 
              - "RW calvinism" love it Bo! And who's gonna be the Food Stamp police?  Mojeoux   Feb-24-11 07:53 PM   #127 
              - They will ALL want the job of being Food Stamp Police. Think how fulfilling it will be to call out  bobbolink   Feb-24-11 08:15 PM   #131 
                 - Rumsfeild admits they "lost" over a TRILLION in Iraq.  Mojeoux   Feb-24-11 08:34 PM   #138 
                    - Of course, but *this* one isn't about the RW. This is about people posing as "progressives" who  bobbolink   Feb-24-11 08:42 PM   #141 
              - If we actually want to help people, wouldn't it make sense to make sure that the money is spent on  Freddie Stubbs   Feb-25-11 09:10 AM   #171 
                 - "Helping" people does NOT entail running their lives. Unless, of course, you think attacking and  bobbolink   Feb-25-11 01:57 PM   #178 
                    - Giving people money to spend on junk food instead of nutritious food isn't helping them either  Freddie Stubbs   Feb-25-11 03:41 PM   #181 
                       - Yes, more support for attacking and occupying other countries for "humanitarian reasons"  bobbolink   Feb-25-11 03:58 PM   #182 
  - Farmer's Markets are part of the answer...  Rabblevox   Feb-24-11 02:25 AM   #9 
  - What we need is a better way to get farm goods to those who do not have access to them  Jmaxfie1   Feb-24-11 02:30 AM   #14 
  - +1 absolutely correct! I forget how lucky I am to live somewhere...  Rabblevox   Feb-24-11 03:06 AM   #21 
     - I live in Charlotte, but there is tons of farm land out side of the city.  Jmaxfie1   Feb-24-11 03:09 AM   #22 
  - I'm going to keep repeating this until all of you understand this... farmer's markets are for  bobbolink   Feb-24-11 01:55 PM   #89 
  - I think it depends on where you live.  Jmaxfie1   Feb-24-11 07:56 PM   #128 
  - I've been to them in different locations, and it is all the same. They are Food Boutiques, and you  bobbolink   Feb-24-11 08:19 PM   #132 
  - Not here  Jmaxfie1   Feb-24-11 08:26 PM   #136 
     - I said I've been to them in rural areas, but I guess you didn't want to see that part.  bobbolink   Feb-24-11 08:31 PM   #137 
        - I guess it depends what region of the country you are in?  Jmaxfie1   Feb-24-11 08:39 PM   #139 
           - So just take away the food. We don't need it anyway. We are willing to sacrifice for you and learn  bobbolink   Feb-24-11 08:40 PM   #140 
  - There are in place effective ways to connect some low income people to fresh local produce.  Gormy Cuss   Feb-24-11 08:24 PM   #135 
  - WIC gives us checks for the farmer market. I went and got blueberries and such.  ejpoeta   Feb-24-11 10:02 PM   #157 
  - Keep repeating it all you want. It still does not make it so in EVERY case.  AngryOldDem   Feb-25-11 04:00 PM   #183 
  - The 99cent store has alot of bargains....  blueamy66   Feb-24-11 08:05 PM   #130 
     - Learning to grow some fresh veggies would be good for everyone.  amandabeech   Feb-25-11 01:09 AM   #169 
        - Communal gardens solve some of these problems.  wickerwoman   Feb-25-11 01:42 PM   #175 
           - Those sound like good programs.  amandabeech   Feb-25-11 05:01 PM   #186 
  - If we subsidized fruits & veggies as much as we subsidize HFCS  rucky   Feb-24-11 02:26 AM   #10 
  - Should we tell you how you should spend your money?  Lucian   Feb-24-11 02:26 AM   #11 
  - Lucian, did you read the whole post? n/t  Jmaxfie1   Feb-24-11 02:27 AM   #12 
  - You really don't see a difference between the two scenarios?  Very_Boring_Name   Feb-24-11 04:34 AM   #24 
     - Poor choice of words there.  Warren Stupidity   Feb-24-11 06:30 AM   #29 
     - No, they're not entitled to it  Very_Boring_Name   Feb-24-11 12:13 PM   #72 
        - Actually it is exactly an entitlement.  Warren Stupidity   Feb-24-11 12:41 PM   #78 
           - Workers are entitled to their wages, qualified food stamp recipients aren't entitled to spend their  Very_Boring_Name   Feb-24-11 01:45 PM   #84 
              - popcorn yes, beer no.  Warren Stupidity   Feb-24-11 02:39 PM   #103 
                 - You don't think beer counts as food?  boppers   Feb-24-11 06:18 PM   #124 
                    - Actually beer is not all that bad as a food.  Warren Stupidity   Feb-24-11 06:55 PM   #125 
     - Um, those on food stamps are also entitled to them.  Lucian   Feb-24-11 10:24 AM   #62 
        - I've been on food stamps, I was under no illusions  Very_Boring_Name   Feb-24-11 12:08 PM   #71 
           - No actually it isn't a privilege.  Warren Stupidity   Feb-24-11 12:46 PM   #79 
           - Yes actually it is a privilege  Very_Boring_Name   Feb-24-11 01:39 PM   #83 
           - It is a "priviledge" for those who consider poor people of no value, and expendable.  bobbolink   Feb-24-11 02:09 PM   #94 
              - As a poor person, I resent your attitude.  Rabblevox   Feb-25-11 01:14 PM   #174 
                 - Have at it.  bobbolink   Feb-25-11 01:52 PM   #176 
  - Who am I to decide for other people what they should or shouldn't be eating?  pacalo   Feb-24-11 02:27 AM   #13 
  - Has it occurred to you that schools no longer teach cooking?  aquart   Feb-24-11 02:35 AM   #15 
  - That was the point i was wrestling with...  Jmaxfie1   Feb-24-11 02:44 AM   #18 
  - You know, this is exactly what is so damming.... all of you sitting around deciding how to change  bobbolink   Feb-24-11 02:12 PM   #95 
  - As someone who is of the current generation, cooking isn't rocket science  Hippo_Tron   Feb-24-11 09:41 PM   #151 
  - I agree- there should be access to grocery stores in inner cities  w8liftinglady   Feb-24-11 03:50 AM   #23 
  - I've done it - carried groceries in a folding shopping cart via public trans.  Raksha   Feb-24-11 02:15 PM   #96 
     - Try doing it with two or three children, and ill health.  bobbolink   Feb-24-11 04:28 PM   #116 
  - I voted no in that other thread because I don't believe people should need food stamps.  joshcryer   Feb-24-11 04:42 AM   #25 
  - So because the system isn't perfect, we should let poor people starve? Explain..  Rabblevox   Feb-24-11 04:49 AM   #26 
  - That we need a better society?  joshcryer   Feb-25-11 01:04 AM   #167 
  - It isn't radical so much as it is divorced from reality.  Warren Stupidity   Feb-24-11 06:31 AM   #30 
     - I think you missed the point of my comment.  joshcryer   Feb-25-11 01:05 AM   #168 
  - have you ever lived on food stamps? i have.... and i can tell you something....  ejpoeta   Feb-24-11 06:23 AM   #28 
  - You can' t buy potatoes with WIC?  lumberjack_jeff   Feb-24-11 08:50 AM   #55 
     - as far as i know you can't buy candy with food stamps. at least here in ny.  ejpoeta   Feb-24-11 09:56 AM   #58 
        - Sweet potato oven fries are the yummiest thing in the world. n/t  lumberjack_jeff   Feb-24-11 02:04 PM   #91 
        - You can buy potatoes with food stamps.  former9thward   Feb-24-11 02:44 PM   #104 
           - on food stamps but not on WIC. only sweet potatoes.  ejpoeta   Feb-24-11 03:31 PM   #109 
              - Gotcha. I don't know anything about WIC. Seems strange though.  former9thward   Feb-24-11 03:41 PM   #111 
                 - turns out potatoes aren't that good for you. i did not know that.  ejpoeta   Feb-24-11 05:37 PM   #119 
                    - So, we can please all of you by eating a diet of nothing but sweet potatoes?  bobbolink   Feb-24-11 08:47 PM   #142 
                    - I would like to know who gets to decide what people on food stamps can buy.  ejpoeta   Feb-24-11 09:59 PM   #156 
                    - Obviously, it is the ones posting here who like to set themselves up as superior.  bobbolink   Feb-24-11 10:05 PM   #159 
                    - The sweet potato is #1 in nutrition of all vegetables  kwassa   Feb-24-11 10:17 PM   #162 
                       - Hurrah! From now on, thats all people on Food Stamps are allowed to buy!  bobbolink   Feb-24-11 10:21 PM   #164 
                    - You can make vegetarian chili with kidney beans.  amandabeech   Feb-25-11 01:29 AM   #170 
                       - All those carbs are soOOO good for diabetics and hypoglycemics.  bobbolink   Feb-25-11 01:55 PM   #177 
                          - Bobbolink, I was replying to poster 119 who wanted to know what to do with kidney beans.  amandabeech   Feb-25-11 04:22 PM   #185 
                             - Thank you. My reply had to do with the ongoing superiority of "I could do , why can't you?" and  bobbolink   Feb-25-11 06:48 PM   #187 
                                - If some try hard and get a lucky break so that they can find a home,  amandabeech   Feb-25-11 09:14 PM   #188 
  - When I was a kid, we received foodstamps  eilen   Feb-24-11 06:34 AM   #31 
  - Just because you have an education in Home Economics  exboyfil   Feb-24-11 08:09 AM   #45 
     - So, you are going to run for Food Stamp General?  bobbolink   Feb-24-11 08:49 PM   #143 
     - Kids throw away a lot of food  eilen   Feb-25-11 12:26 PM   #173 
  - I don't think you can tell people what to eat -  TBF   Feb-24-11 06:56 AM   #34 
  - Define "junk food".  baldguy   Feb-24-11 06:59 AM   #35 
  - It would be easy to come with with a precise definition using nutrient density per calorie  jdp349   Feb-24-11 09:41 PM   #152 
  - Why not increase the food stamp allotment?  Starry Messenger   Feb-24-11 07:02 AM   #36 
  - Please read my whole post if you are going to criticize me . .  Jmaxfie1   Feb-24-11 07:14 AM   #37 
  - I believe you are sincere and I really don't like some of the comments directed at you here.  CTyankee   Feb-24-11 07:48 AM   #41 
     - Thanks. :)  Jmaxfie1   Feb-24-11 07:53 AM   #42 
        - I see it your way. I feel that it is demeaning to say that poor people are just gonna feed their  CTyankee   Feb-24-11 08:10 AM   #47 
           - that's a sad story, hopefully she did all right for herself. n/t  Jmaxfie1   Feb-24-11 08:13 AM   #48 
  - I am on food stamps  Littlecat   Feb-24-11 08:04 AM   #43 
  - Me too, I know a lot of states ban multi-vitamins also?  Jmaxfie1   Feb-24-11 08:09 AM   #46 
  - I think it's funny when people say  Littlecat   Feb-24-11 08:32 AM   #51 
     - I am getting so sick and tired of this "my tax dollars" crap.  Raksha   Feb-24-11 02:29 PM   #102 
     - you can't buy marshmallow peeps with food stamps. wth!  ejpoeta   Feb-24-11 10:13 PM   #161 
  - +1 n/t  lumberjack_jeff   Feb-24-11 08:51 AM   #56 
  - they should use them to buy cadillacs  datasuspect   Feb-24-11 08:35 AM   #52 
  - Duh!  JVS   Feb-24-11 10:48 AM   #66 
  - I agree.  Pithlet   Feb-24-11 11:00 AM   #67 
  - WIC tries this now  Patiod   Feb-24-11 10:02 AM   #61 
  - It could have to do with sodium levels. I have found that "sauced" frozen vegetables  CTyankee   Feb-24-11 10:47 AM   #65 
  - Actually, I use the labels to help me choose  Patiod   Feb-24-11 12:25 PM   #74 
     - That's true, but hubby and I both are on blood pressure meds so it's important for us.  CTyankee   Feb-24-11 02:24 PM   #99 
  - they only allow plain anything pretty much. nothing fancy.  ejpoeta   Feb-24-11 10:03 PM   #158 
  - K+R+ heart  lapislzi   Feb-24-11 10:38 AM   #63 
  - Thanks for the heart and and encouragement! :)  Jmaxfie1   Feb-24-11 10:41 AM   #64 
  - My idea is to just ban junk food but I'm what you call a  Shagbark Hickory   Feb-24-11 11:16 AM   #68 
  - Not in the Land of King Corn  lapislzi   Feb-24-11 12:49 PM   #80 
     - Sure as hell got me to quit. And that was long before Obama's really big cig tax.  Shagbark Hickory   Feb-24-11 03:13 PM   #107 
        - I WISH my daughter had less disposable income  lapislzi   Feb-24-11 03:35 PM   #110 
           - I'm sorry to hear that. If it were up to me, tobacco would be banned.  Shagbark Hickory   Feb-24-11 05:45 PM   #121 
  - As well intentioned as you are  nadinbrzezinski   Feb-24-11 12:52 PM   #81 
  - When someone receives food stamps, it should be their choice  MineralMan   Feb-24-11 01:36 PM   #82 
  - Why single out impoverished people? Lots of working class on food assistance  leftstreet   Feb-24-11 01:51 PM   #86 
  - I think people should make their own choices.Poor people are still adults with rights  old mark   Feb-24-11 02:04 PM   #92 
  - I love donuts, too  lapislzi   Feb-24-11 02:22 PM   #97 
  - It may amaze you, but poor people can READ and many have some intelligence!  old mark   Feb-25-11 12:49 AM   #166 
  - Thank you for a bit of sanity. However, as you can see, most here don't see poor people  bobbolink   Feb-24-11 08:51 PM   #144 
  - I think it is a myth that junk food is cheap  KurtNYC   Feb-24-11 02:22 PM   #98 
  - It might be safer to say high-carb foods and foods that are  Nevernose   Feb-24-11 09:38 PM   #150 
     - Good ideas, complex issue n/t  Jmaxfie1   Feb-24-11 09:42 PM   #153 
  - you asked for ideas... here they are. 1. Start by considering poor people as PEOPLE  bobbolink   Feb-24-11 02:28 PM   #100 
  - There are many, many, MANY larger problems to think about.  Zoeisright   Feb-24-11 04:36 PM   #118 
  - THANK YOU!!  bobbolink   Feb-24-11 08:52 PM   #145 
  - I am not convinced this is a problem in the first place. I would rate it up there with welfare  yellowcanine   Feb-24-11 05:44 PM   #120 
  - Study, schmudy. We gots our judgments to foment, donchaknow?  bobbolink   Feb-24-11 08:53 PM   #146 
  - they must. just like they just sit back and collect welfare and don't even bother  ejpoeta   Feb-24-11 10:06 PM   #160 
  - Is there anything more satisfying than telling people how to live their lives?  ZombieHorde   Feb-24-11 07:48 PM   #126 
  - Here is what the original debate was about:  Jmaxfie1   Feb-24-11 08:23 PM   #134 
  - Setting up false dichotomies in order to judge more people isn't instructive.  bobbolink   Feb-24-11 08:55 PM   #147 
  - Ok, how do we raise food stamp allotment in the South? n/t  Jmaxfie1   Feb-24-11 08:57 PM   #148 
     - By having the guts to do so.  bobbolink   Feb-24-11 09:02 PM   #149 
     - The same thing we pass get anything done. Threaten their highway funding and other pork.  JVS   Feb-24-11 09:43 PM   #154 
  - There is a large Federal program to teach food stamp recipients how to do food budgets  yellowcanine   Feb-25-11 10:17 AM   #172 
  - I've been on food stamps and sometimes a candy bar was the only pleasure  U4ikLefty   Feb-24-11 09:57 PM   #155 
  - NO! You are supposed to suffer, goddammit!!  bobbolink   Feb-24-11 10:19 PM   #163 
     - Or, like I posted in the other thread,  xmas74   Feb-25-11 09:51 PM   #190 
  - How about we increase food stamp allotment and let people decide for themselves what food they eat.  Xicano   Feb-25-11 02:01 PM   #179 

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