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Bigmack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-21-10 01:23 PM
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62. Interesting thing about "approval"...
If I'm asked by a pollster, I'll "strongly approve" of Pres. Obama.

If asked by friends, I'll say I am disappointed and pissed.

I'll bet a lot of Dems and Progressives are in the same boat.

I don't want to disapprove of Pres. Obama in public and have that disapproval lumped in with the rightwingnut critics, so I approve.

I will, of course, vote a straight Dem ticket - as I always have - and I will vote for Pres. Obama in 2012, but my enthusiasm and my contributions will not be there.

(Incidentally, I just sent a (for me) fat donation to my Rep. Jay Inslee. I've seen him in action. Nice large set of balls... he voted no on the tax sell-out. That's the kind of donations I'll be making.)
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  -What in the world is he thinking? A liberal critique of Barack Obama Laelth  Dec-21-10 06:40 AM   #0 
  - sadly, I think there is more truth in that than not  DrDan   Dec-21-10 07:02 AM   #1 
  - It is a sad conclusion, yes.  Laelth   Dec-21-10 10:39 AM   #48 
  - omg! you really nailed that one.  Sheri   Dec-21-10 07:02 AM   #2 
  - Thanks. n/t  Laelth   Dec-21-10 12:38 PM   #57 
  - That's a lot of people's problems....  vi5   Dec-21-10 07:02 AM   #3 
  - Interesting analysis. I hadn't thought of it in that way.  Laelth   Dec-21-10 02:03 PM   #64 
     - I'm a cynic. I don't think it can be done.  vi5   Dec-21-10 05:46 PM   #69 
        - I am a cynic too, but I can't be a fatalist.  Laelth   Dec-21-10 07:26 PM   #70 
  - The repukes have won the messaging and debate framing war.......  BrklynLiberal   Dec-21-10 07:05 AM   #4 
  - It's hard to know what to do at this point.  Laelth   Dec-21-10 02:26 PM   #65 
  - thereby acknowledging that no one supposedly more "liberal"  nofurylike   Dec-21-10 07:05 AM   #5 
  - I intend to address what I think people should do in my next essay.  Laelth   Dec-21-10 07:19 AM   #7 
  - thank you, i will. i look forward to that, then, Laelth. nt  nofurylike   Dec-21-10 07:27 AM   #9 
  - Excellent essay.  DemReadingDU   Dec-21-10 08:49 AM   #31 
     - Glad you enjoyed it. n/t  Laelth   Dec-21-10 08:54 AM   #34 
        - P.S.  DemReadingDU   Dec-21-10 08:57 AM   #35 
           - Sweet. Got it.  Laelth   Dec-21-10 09:01 AM   #37 
  - it's progressively sliding into neo-liberalism.  xchrom   Dec-21-10 12:52 PM   #59 
     - +1 n/t  Laelth   Dec-21-10 04:49 PM   #67 
     - you know, we have been completely IN neo-liberalism for a long  nofurylike   Dec-22-10 01:59 AM   #77 
  - The left in the USA right now is nearly dead as an effective political group...  old mark   Dec-21-10 07:07 AM   #6 
  - I fully agree, as you know.  Laelth   Dec-21-10 07:22 AM   #8 
  - The "left" as in socialists and communists have been largely gone for at least a generation -  TBF   Dec-21-10 07:46 AM   #16 
     - I remember - I have an FBI file going back to the late 1960's...nt  old mark   Dec-21-10 08:16 AM   #24 
     - 1  mdmc   Dec-21-10 04:54 PM   #68 
  - Considering that his approval among Democrats is the highest among any modern Democratic President  BzaDem   Dec-21-10 07:37 AM   #10 
  - Yet.  WinkyDink   Dec-21-10 07:40 AM   #12 
  - All that "fact" illustrates is that the democratic party as most knew it is gone -  TBF   Dec-21-10 07:43 AM   #14 
  - "there are MANY people who are not satisfied"  BzaDem   Dec-21-10 07:48 AM   #17 
  - I Don't See It That Way  NashVegas   Dec-21-10 08:04 AM   #22 
     - That is probably a better way to put it -  TBF   Dec-21-10 10:01 AM   #47 
  - Anyone who is "satisfied" with the way our government is performing  ladjf   Dec-21-10 08:18 AM   #25 
  - Perhaps instead of assuming the vast majority of liberals and Democrats are "dumber than a rock"  BzaDem   Dec-21-10 08:38 AM   #30 
     - Perhaps you should reexamine and re-evaluate your own position,  ladjf   Dec-21-10 08:50 AM   #32 
        - Actually, it is true.  BzaDem   Dec-21-10 08:51 AM   #33 
           - You are apparently basing your reality on recent polls showing  ladjf   Dec-21-10 08:59 AM   #36 
              - Recent polls? How about polls since the day he was inaugurated, including Democratic pollsters? n/t  BzaDem   Dec-21-10 09:04 AM   #39 
                 - I was a strong supporter of the President during his early days  ladjf   Dec-21-10 11:04 AM   #50 
  - Interesting thing about "approval"...  Bigmack   Dec-21-10 01:23 PM   #62 
  - The pony argument again?  Laelth   Dec-21-10 08:13 PM   #72 
  - So we can hope for change in 2013?  WinkyDink   Dec-21-10 07:39 AM   #11 
  - Do you actually think there will be a President more liberal than Obama in the next, say, 30 years?  BzaDem   Dec-21-10 07:41 AM   #13 
  - Considering who controls government now, it will probably take a revolution to fix this mess.  TBF   Dec-21-10 07:45 AM   #15 
  - Why do you assume your "revolution" will be successful?  BzaDem   Dec-21-10 07:48 AM   #18 
  - It may well usher in an even more right-wing government, which is one of the  TBF   Dec-21-10 09:52 AM   #45 
  - so many are talking of massive actions, when they won't  nofurylike   Dec-21-10 07:53 AM   #20 
  - Of course there won't be! It's not a matter of liberal vs. conservative.  bluethruandthru   Dec-21-10 07:58 AM   #21 
  - Do you actually think you can predict the future say, 30 years out?  Bluenorthwest   Dec-21-10 09:02 AM   #38 
  - For sure? Of course not.  BzaDem   Dec-21-10 09:06 AM   #41 
  - way past labels.  whattheidonot   Dec-21-10 01:05 PM   #61 
  - I wouldn't count on it.  Laelth   Dec-21-10 03:45 PM   #66 
  - And so the formula is unmasked..  disillusioned73   Dec-21-10 07:51 AM   #19 
  - Sure, he's been "called" a liberal and a socialist.  Laelth   Dec-21-10 08:11 AM   #23 
  - He is the furthest from being a liberal of any Democratic President  ladjf   Dec-21-10 08:20 AM   #26 
     - As post-FDR Democrats go, I'd agree with you. n/t  Laelth   Dec-21-10 08:38 AM   #29 
     - In fact my recent research on Eisenhower (who increased those eligible for Social Security) shows  TBF   Dec-21-10 09:43 AM   #43 
        - He was a Republican, maybe the last good one. nt  ladjf   Dec-21-10 11:05 AM   #51 
           - By "he" I was referring to Obama. Yes, Eisenhower was a republican -  TBF   Dec-21-10 12:04 PM   #56 
              - Yes, I agree. Sorry I misunderstood your post. nt  ladjf   Dec-21-10 01:45 PM   #63 
  - Being called a "Liberal" or worse and having an obstinate GOP simply gives cover to his moves  KeepItReal   Dec-21-10 08:22 AM   #27 
  - Naw it's all just a chess match. Proles like us couldn't hope to understand...  leeroysphitz   Dec-21-10 08:24 AM   #28 
  - You know, for two years I tried to believe in eleven-dimensional chess.  Laelth   Dec-21-10 09:10 PM   #74 
  - Either he takes his base for granted or...  kentuck   Dec-21-10 09:06 AM   #40 
  - I don't think he cares - as long as he has his wall street donations  TBF   Dec-21-10 09:45 AM   #44 
  - Or maybe he considers another group to be his base. n/t  leeroysphitz   Dec-21-10 11:15 AM   #53 
  - Here's the problem, what's good for Obama is disastrous for the Democratic party.  fasttense   Dec-21-10 09:25 AM   #42 
  - Obama is just another ambitious centrist pol with his eye on the next election.  Tierra_y_Libertad   Dec-21-10 09:57 AM   #46 
  - First, most everything I've seen and read coming out of the administration supports this. Second...  Poll_Blind   Dec-21-10 10:45 AM   #49 
  - more psycho bs !  democracy1st   Dec-21-10 11:10 AM   #52 
  - Could you extrapolate just a sentence or two??  kentuck   Dec-21-10 11:48 AM   #55 
  - Sorry for the vagueness I agree with Laelth's great piece!  democracy1st   Dec-22-10 05:54 AM   #80 
     - Thanks for the kind words. n/t  Laelth   Dec-22-10 08:11 AM   #82 
  - Dope !  Bluebear   Dec-22-10 03:47 AM   #79 
  - Well written and reasoned essay  me b zola   Dec-21-10 11:42 AM   #54 
  - Thanks. n/t  Laelth   Dec-21-10 10:05 PM   #76 
  - not liberal  whattheidonot   Dec-21-10 12:47 PM   #58 
  - "Controlled depression." Interesting. You may be right about that.  Laelth   Dec-22-10 09:36 AM   #83 
  - that business where you outline the people in and around government  xchrom   Dec-21-10 12:57 PM   #60 
  - Agreed. Thanks for the kind words. n/t  Laelth   Dec-21-10 07:49 PM   #71 
  - different critque  creon   Dec-21-10 08:34 PM   #73 
  - Your assesment is very generous.  Laelth   Dec-21-10 09:28 PM   #75 
     - no problem  creon   Dec-22-10 07:02 AM   #81 
  - governing far left is one thing  Skittles   Dec-22-10 02:06 AM   #78 
  - Agreed. And it's preposterous to suggest that Obama is governing far left. n/t  Laelth   Dec-23-10 09:31 AM   #85 
  - and as the economy sinks and jobs are harder to find  newspeak   Dec-22-10 11:05 AM   #84 
  - +1  democracy1st   Dec-23-10 11:24 PM   #87 
  - Risky business at best. We will see in 2012.  RegieRocker   Dec-23-10 09:36 AM   #86 

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