MissDeeds
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| 56. Party without principle is nothing |
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And no better than the Republicans - who are without principle.
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| -Why I will always put party over principle |
WonderGrunion |
Feb-19-11 03:59 PM |
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You know? It really puzzles me when others seem to think you MUST betray one for the other. |
patrice |
Feb-19-11 04:12 PM |
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In fairness though, I am betraying my basic priciples. |
WonderGrunion |
Feb-19-11 04:21 PM |
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Do you plan on ever giving up on any of that stuff? Are you going to shut up about it? |
patrice |
Feb-19-11 04:45 PM |
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+100 |
Hannah Bell |
Feb-19-11 07:08 PM |
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delete |
Tierra_y_Libertad |
Feb-19-11 07:12 PM |
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Vote your principles during the primaries. Vote your party during the General. |
JoePhilly |
Feb-19-11 04:18 PM |
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That concept is what lost a senate seat for democrats in Massachusetts. |
bluestate10 |
Feb-19-11 04:34 PM |
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Apparently not |
WonderGrunion |
Feb-19-11 04:35 PM |
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If you screw up in the primary, so be it. |
JoePhilly |
Feb-19-11 04:58 PM |
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I learned that Brown was elected because Obama failed to support a public option. |
grahamhgreen |
Feb-20-11 10:54 AM |
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If the Dems keep chasing the Repubs to the right, they'll create a vacuum |
leftstreet |
Feb-19-11 04:22 PM |
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The makers of Oreck disagree with your analogy |
WonderGrunion |
Feb-19-11 04:34 PM |
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Ralph Nader says there is no difference between Obama and a republican. |
bluestate10 |
Feb-19-11 04:30 PM |
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And Obama cutting low-income housing, which even * didn't do, is different... HOW????? |
bobbolink |
Feb-19-11 04:53 PM |
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Even undocumented immigrants organized and marched for their rights |
WonderGrunion |
Feb-19-11 04:57 PM |
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Yes, homeless peopple are lazy shits, and deserve to die. |
bobbolink |
Feb-19-11 05:06 PM |
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Yeah, I think I read that conventional wisdom from Michelle Malkin |
chill_wind |
Feb-19-11 07:24 PM |
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Oh give me a break, survival is a pretty tough job in itself... |
maryf |
Feb-20-11 10:38 AM |
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holy fuck! |
datasuspect |
Feb-20-11 10:54 AM |
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Following the party slowly but surely off the cliff precludes any alternative. |
TheKentuckian |
Feb-19-11 04:36 PM |
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Rule #1 - Do no harm. |
WonderGrunion |
Feb-19-11 04:52 PM |
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And homeless people dying is NO HARM, because we don't constitute a full human being. |
bobbolink |
Feb-19-11 04:55 PM |
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Hi bobbolink! GLAD to see you! I hope you're better . . . |
patrice |
Feb-19-11 04:58 PM |
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Homeless people don't even fight for their own rights |
WonderGrunion |
Feb-19-11 04:59 PM |
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Feb-19-11 05:20 PM |
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Hey Bobbie! |
MissDeeds |
Feb-19-11 06:03 PM |
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No, I'm very very ill, but it no longer matters. |
bobbolink |
Feb-19-11 06:19 PM |
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Hey Sweetie |
MissDeeds |
Feb-19-11 06:33 PM |
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So glad to see you here! |
maryf |
Feb-20-11 10:40 AM |
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you're lashing out at people on your own side... again. |
dionysus |
Feb-19-11 06:05 PM |
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I heard you were ill |
tkmorris |
Feb-19-11 05:00 PM |
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No, I'm not OK, and I no longer give a shit. |
bobbolink |
Feb-19-11 05:05 PM |
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The thread is not about the homeless |
treestar |
Feb-19-11 07:29 PM |
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This thread IS related to homelessness... |
maryf |
Feb-20-11 10:51 AM |
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The escalation of homelessness is such a perfect example of why the dems |
maryf |
Feb-20-11 10:54 AM |
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And there's always public relations ground to be gained in the struggle, ESPECIALLY now with everyth |
patrice |
Feb-19-11 04:56 PM |
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You are doing harm and are hoping to do less but do not account for buying |
TheKentuckian |
Feb-19-11 05:00 PM |
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So some would say the question is, then, how many people lost from following them off the cliff slow |
patrice |
Feb-19-11 04:54 PM |
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No matter how far to the right Obama goes, the r's will remain two steps to the right of that. |
Edweird |
Feb-19-11 04:51 PM |
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And I say that those that stay home and let republicans win |
WonderGrunion |
Feb-19-11 04:55 PM |
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If you want RW policy, there's already a party for that. they're -> that way ->. |
Edweird |
Feb-19-11 05:09 PM |
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Personally, I think there are a bunch of covert Libertarians in that demographic. They ARE on the |
patrice |
Feb-19-11 05:10 PM |
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I say that those that are willing to settle for crumbs, will always |
sabrina 1 |
Feb-19-11 10:29 PM |
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So you are willing to compromise your way off the cliff, nice. |
MadHound |
Feb-19-11 04:59 PM |
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Ok, you're the third person to use the "off the cliff analogy |
WonderGrunion |
Feb-19-11 05:04 PM |
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Well, I hate to disappoint you, but it isn't a big conspiracy. |
MadHound |
Feb-19-11 05:09 PM |
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No conspiracy, I just assumed you all heard it on Thom Hartman |
WonderGrunion |
Feb-19-11 05:11 PM |
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Well, you know what they say about Ass U Me. |
MadHound |
Feb-19-11 05:16 PM |
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I listen to Hartman, I didn't say his listeners were ditto heads |
WonderGrunion |
Feb-19-11 05:18 PM |
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Here, have a bigger shovel, |
MadHound |
Feb-19-11 05:19 PM |
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Handing me a shovel, like an SS officer at a Nazi deathcamp would? |
WonderGrunion |
Feb-19-11 05:20 PM |
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No, a shovel for you to keep digging on that hole you're in. |
MadHound |
Feb-19-11 05:28 PM |
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At what point was any of your post part of a "rational discussion" |
WonderGrunion |
Feb-19-11 05:32 PM |
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Wow, your powers of reading comprehension are absolutely stunning. |
MadHound |
Feb-19-11 05:39 PM |
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The same place I called you an anti-semite |
WonderGrunion |
Feb-19-11 05:41 PM |
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Geez, you certainly aren't up on your pop/political culture |
MadHound |
Feb-19-11 05:51 PM |
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I like Hartman |
white_wolf |
Feb-19-11 10:19 PM |
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Where did it come from? The size, composition & ownership of Bush's Derivative Crash of 2008. nt |
patrice |
Feb-19-11 05:15 PM |
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Definition of "fight"? Some of us oh-so-unprincipled Democrats take the fight right into whatever |
patrice |
Feb-19-11 05:23 PM |
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Never mind, why bother |
MadHound |
Feb-19-11 05:45 PM |
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It appears to me that you're the one saying people are un-principled if they cooperate theparty & |
patrice |
Feb-19-11 05:59 PM |
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+10000000 |
dionysus |
Feb-19-11 06:08 PM |
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A sure way to lose both, imho. n/t |
EFerrari |
Feb-19-11 05:06 PM |
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+1000 |
chill_wind |
Feb-19-11 07:28 PM |
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+10000000 |
readmoreoften |
Feb-19-11 10:31 PM |
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Funny, how people say things like that as though they have calculated absolutely every factor:person |
patrice |
Feb-19-11 11:14 PM |
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## PLEASE DONATE TO DEMOCRATIC UNDERGROUND! ## |
DU GrovelBot |
Feb-19-11 05:09 PM |
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See GrovelBot agrees with me |
WonderGrunion |
Feb-19-11 05:15 PM |
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I looked up "Triangulation" in an online dictionary, and it linked this post.... |
Junkdrawer |
Feb-19-11 05:53 PM |
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Do you have that link? |
WonderGrunion |
Feb-19-11 05:55 PM |
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Party without principle is nothing |
MissDeeds |
Feb-19-11 06:00 PM |
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Party over principle is not the same as party without principle |
WonderGrunion |
Feb-19-11 06:06 PM |
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Yes it is |
MissDeeds |
Feb-19-11 06:29 PM |
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Here Here |
BobbyBoring |
Feb-19-11 07:45 PM |
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False dichotomy. Supporting bad Dem policy won't save you from bad Rep policy. Just a duller knife. |
DirkGently |
Feb-19-11 06:20 PM |
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+1 |
mmonk |
Feb-19-11 07:17 PM |
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Obama was our best choice and unfortunately will likely be best choice in 2012. |
PufPuf23 |
Feb-19-11 06:49 PM |
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If a party is different from my principles, I don't see a reason |
mmonk |
Feb-19-11 07:06 PM |
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“Always vote for principle, though you may vote alone.." -John Quincy Adams |
Tierra_y_Libertad |
Feb-19-11 07:15 PM |
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Good quotes. The people that founded this country were not |
mmonk |
Feb-19-11 07:23 PM |
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THANKS for posting this |
Raine |
Feb-19-11 07:30 PM |
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Jefferson voted for independence |
treestar |
Feb-19-11 07:31 PM |
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You see, that Jefferson quote to Hopkinson is a given for me, ALWAYS has been. I think that since I |
patrice |
Feb-19-11 10:48 PM |
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No can do anymore |
Raine |
Feb-19-11 07:26 PM |
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I agree |
MissDeeds |
Feb-19-11 08:46 PM |
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sorry you don't get it. |
Hannah Bell |
Feb-19-11 07:31 PM |
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All of those points are founded in policy. |
tekisui |
Feb-19-11 07:38 PM |
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so you can't tell them when they are wrong and try to get them to do right? |
yurbud |
Feb-19-11 10:13 PM |
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Yes. |
RandomThoughts |
Feb-19-11 10:14 PM |
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Yes you can. WE HAVE NOT BEEN DOING that in a way that works, so we say "There is no way that works" |
patrice |
Feb-19-11 11:26 PM |
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Do you think some Republicans do the same thing? |
RegieRocker |
Feb-19-11 10:23 PM |
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Worse, you put a Party with No Principles above Principles. |
readmoreoften |
Feb-19-11 10:30 PM |
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Is it or is it not a disaster to decide that millions of people (a Party) are ir-relevant? |
patrice |
Feb-19-11 11:33 PM |
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What happens when your party no longer exhibits principles itself? |
Tatiana |
Feb-19-11 10:50 PM |
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That's the top-down thinking that has enslaved us. ****WE**** ARE the party. All real revolution |
patrice |
Feb-19-11 11:04 PM |
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"I will always be an unapologetic defender of the Democratic Party, right or wrong." |
Bonobo |
Feb-19-11 11:15 PM |
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True. Free people navigate by means of constant self-evaluation. |
patrice |
Feb-19-11 11:28 PM |
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In other words, cutting social security is ok, as long as it's a D that does it. |
LooseWilly |
Feb-19-11 11:36 PM |
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or busting teachers unions and privatizing education, or continuing Bush policies in Iraq... |
yurbud |
Feb-20-11 12:18 AM |
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+1 n/t |
MissDeeds |
Feb-20-11 08:41 AM |
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How would you like me to sum up your entire life "In other words..." The ARROGANCE is proof |
patrice |
Feb-20-11 10:49 AM |
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Self-Contradictory bullshit! Noam Chomsky would be embarassed. FREE youself form stereotyping others |
patrice |
Feb-20-11 10:51 AM |
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How dare you insult millions of GOOD Democrats!!! with your SLAVE TALK! |
patrice |
Feb-20-11 10:55 AM |
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= DIVIDE & CONQUOR. |
patrice |
Feb-20-11 11:03 AM |
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I will defend our party, but not those Obama failures and compromises. |
grahamhgreen |
Feb-20-11 10:53 AM |
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I think you're being too hard on yourself in claiming you are for "party over principle". |
LoZoccolo |
Feb-20-11 10:54 AM |
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No thanks, the party can fall off a cliff. I will still keep my principles. |
Rex |
Feb-20-11 10:55 AM |
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Two wrongs will never make a right in my world. |
ScreamingMeemie |
Feb-20-11 10:58 AM |
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