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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-19-11 05:06 PM
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29. A sure way to lose both, imho. n/t
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  -Why I will always put party over principle WonderGrunion  Feb-19-11 03:59 PM   #0 
  - You know? It really puzzles me when others seem to think you MUST betray one for the other.  patrice   Feb-19-11 04:12 PM   #1 
  - In fairness though, I am betraying my basic priciples.  WonderGrunion   Feb-19-11 04:21 PM   #3 
  - Do you plan on ever giving up on any of that stuff? Are you going to shut up about it?  patrice   Feb-19-11 04:45 PM   #10 
  - +100  Hannah Bell   Feb-19-11 07:08 PM   #67 
  - delete  Tierra_y_Libertad   Feb-19-11 07:12 PM   #68 
  - Vote your principles during the primaries. Vote your party during the General.  JoePhilly   Feb-19-11 04:18 PM   #2 
  - That concept is what lost a senate seat for democrats in Massachusetts.  bluestate10   Feb-19-11 04:34 PM   #6 
     - Apparently not  WonderGrunion   Feb-19-11 04:35 PM   #8 
     - If you screw up in the primary, so be it.  JoePhilly   Feb-19-11 04:58 PM   #20 
     - I learned that Brown was elected because Obama failed to support a public option.  grahamhgreen   Feb-20-11 10:54 AM   #109 
  - If the Dems keep chasing the Repubs to the right, they'll create a vacuum  leftstreet   Feb-19-11 04:22 PM   #4 
  - The makers of Oreck disagree with your analogy  WonderGrunion   Feb-19-11 04:34 PM   #7 
  - Ralph Nader says there is no difference between Obama and a republican.  bluestate10   Feb-19-11 04:30 PM   #5 
  - And Obama cutting low-income housing, which even * didn't do, is different... HOW?????  bobbolink   Feb-19-11 04:53 PM   #13 
     - Even undocumented immigrants organized and marched for their rights  WonderGrunion   Feb-19-11 04:57 PM   #18 
        - Yes, homeless peopple are lazy shits, and deserve to die.  bobbolink   Feb-19-11 05:06 PM   #28 
        - Yeah, I think I read that conventional wisdom from Michelle Malkin  chill_wind   Feb-19-11 07:24 PM   #72 
        - Oh give me a break, survival is a pretty tough job in itself...  maryf   Feb-20-11 10:38 AM   #100 
        - holy fuck!  datasuspect   Feb-20-11 10:54 AM   #106 
  - Following the party slowly but surely off the cliff precludes any alternative.  TheKentuckian   Feb-19-11 04:36 PM   #9 
  - Rule #1 - Do no harm.  WonderGrunion   Feb-19-11 04:52 PM   #12 
  - And homeless people dying is NO HARM, because we don't constitute a full human being.  bobbolink   Feb-19-11 04:55 PM   #16 
  - Hi bobbolink! GLAD to see you! I hope you're better . . .  patrice   Feb-19-11 04:58 PM   #19 
  - Homeless people don't even fight for their own rights  WonderGrunion   Feb-19-11 04:59 PM   #21 
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                 - Hey Bobbie!  MissDeeds   Feb-19-11 06:03 PM   #57 
                 - No, I'm very very ill, but it no longer matters.  bobbolink   Feb-19-11 06:19 PM   #61 
                    - Hey Sweetie  MissDeeds   Feb-19-11 06:33 PM   #64 
                    - So glad to see you here!  maryf   Feb-20-11 10:40 AM   #101 
                 - you're lashing out at people on your own side... again.  dionysus   Feb-19-11 06:05 PM   #58 
  - I heard you were ill  tkmorris   Feb-19-11 05:00 PM   #24 
  - No, I'm not OK, and I no longer give a shit.  bobbolink   Feb-19-11 05:05 PM   #27 
  - The thread is not about the homeless  treestar   Feb-19-11 07:29 PM   #75 
  - This thread IS related to homelessness...  maryf   Feb-20-11 10:51 AM   #104 
  - The escalation of homelessness is such a perfect example of why the dems  maryf   Feb-20-11 10:54 AM   #107 
  - And there's always public relations ground to be gained in the struggle, ESPECIALLY now with everyth  patrice   Feb-19-11 04:56 PM   #17 
  - You are doing harm and are hoping to do less but do not account for buying  TheKentuckian   Feb-19-11 05:00 PM   #23 
  - So some would say the question is, then, how many people lost from following them off the cliff slow  patrice   Feb-19-11 04:54 PM   #14 
  - No matter how far to the right Obama goes, the r's will remain two steps to the right of that.  Edweird   Feb-19-11 04:51 PM   #11 
  - And I say that those that stay home and let republicans win  WonderGrunion   Feb-19-11 04:55 PM   #15 
     - If you want RW policy, there's already a party for that. they're -> that way ->.  Edweird   Feb-19-11 05:09 PM   #31 
     - Personally, I think there are a bunch of covert Libertarians in that demographic. They ARE on the  patrice   Feb-19-11 05:10 PM   #33 
     - I say that those that are willing to settle for crumbs, will always  sabrina 1   Feb-19-11 10:29 PM   #86 
  - So you are willing to compromise your way off the cliff, nice.  MadHound   Feb-19-11 04:59 PM   #22 
  - Ok, you're the third person to use the "off the cliff analogy  WonderGrunion   Feb-19-11 05:04 PM   #25 
  - Well, I hate to disappoint you, but it isn't a big conspiracy.  MadHound   Feb-19-11 05:09 PM   # 
  - No conspiracy, I just assumed you all heard it on Thom Hartman  WonderGrunion   Feb-19-11 05:11 PM   #35 
     - Well, you know what they say about Ass U Me.  MadHound   Feb-19-11 05:16 PM   #40 
        - I listen to Hartman, I didn't say his listeners were ditto heads  WonderGrunion   Feb-19-11 05:18 PM   #42 
           - Here, have a bigger shovel,  MadHound   Feb-19-11 05:19 PM   #43 
           - Handing me a shovel, like an SS officer at a Nazi deathcamp would?  WonderGrunion   Feb-19-11 05:20 PM   #45 
              - No, a shovel for you to keep digging on that hole you're in.  MadHound   Feb-19-11 05:28 PM   #47 
                 - At what point was any of your post part of a "rational discussion"  WonderGrunion   Feb-19-11 05:32 PM   #48 
                    - Wow, your powers of reading comprehension are absolutely stunning.  MadHound   Feb-19-11 05:39 PM   #49 
                       - The same place I called you an anti-semite  WonderGrunion   Feb-19-11 05:41 PM   #50 
                          - Geez, you certainly aren't up on your pop/political culture  MadHound   Feb-19-11 05:51 PM   #52 
           - I like Hartman  white_wolf   Feb-19-11 10:19 PM   #84 
  - Where did it come from? The size, composition & ownership of Bush's Derivative Crash of 2008. nt  patrice   Feb-19-11 05:15 PM   #38 
  - Definition of "fight"? Some of us oh-so-unprincipled Democrats take the fight right into whatever  patrice   Feb-19-11 05:23 PM   #46 
     - Never mind, why bother  MadHound   Feb-19-11 05:45 PM   #51 
     - It appears to me that you're the one saying people are un-principled if they cooperate theparty &  patrice   Feb-19-11 05:59 PM   #55 
     - +10000000  dionysus   Feb-19-11 06:08 PM   #60 
  - A sure way to lose both, imho. n/t  EFerrari   Feb-19-11 05:06 PM   #29 
  - +1000  chill_wind   Feb-19-11 07:28 PM   #74 
  - +10000000  readmoreoften   Feb-19-11 10:31 PM   #88 
  - Funny, how people say things like that as though they have calculated absolutely every factor:person  patrice   Feb-19-11 11:14 PM   #92 
  - ## PLEASE DONATE TO DEMOCRATIC UNDERGROUND! ##  DU GrovelBot   Feb-19-11 05:09 PM   #32 
  - See GrovelBot agrees with me  WonderGrunion   Feb-19-11 05:15 PM   #39 
  - I looked up "Triangulation" in an online dictionary, and it linked this post....  Junkdrawer   Feb-19-11 05:53 PM   #53 
  - Do you have that link?  WonderGrunion   Feb-19-11 05:55 PM   #54 
  - Party without principle is nothing  MissDeeds   Feb-19-11 06:00 PM   #56 
  - Party over principle is not the same as party without principle  WonderGrunion   Feb-19-11 06:06 PM   #59 
  - Yes it is  MissDeeds   Feb-19-11 06:29 PM   #63 
  - Here Here  BobbyBoring   Feb-19-11 07:45 PM   #80 
  - False dichotomy. Supporting bad Dem policy won't save you from bad Rep policy. Just a duller knife.  DirkGently   Feb-19-11 06:20 PM   #62 
  - +1  mmonk   Feb-19-11 07:17 PM   #70 
  - Obama was our best choice and unfortunately will likely be best choice in 2012.  PufPuf23   Feb-19-11 06:49 PM   #65 
  - If a party is different from my principles, I don't see a reason  mmonk   Feb-19-11 07:06 PM   #66 
  - Always vote for principle, though you may vote alone.." -John Quincy Adams  Tierra_y_Libertad   Feb-19-11 07:15 PM   #69 
  - Good quotes. The people that founded this country were not  mmonk   Feb-19-11 07:23 PM   #71 
  - THANKS for posting this  Raine   Feb-19-11 07:30 PM   #76 
  - Jefferson voted for independence  treestar   Feb-19-11 07:31 PM   #78 
  - You see, that Jefferson quote to Hopkinson is a given for me, ALWAYS has been. I think that since I  patrice   Feb-19-11 10:48 PM   #89 
  - No can do anymore  Raine   Feb-19-11 07:26 PM   #73 
  - I agree  MissDeeds   Feb-19-11 08:46 PM   #81 
  - sorry you don't get it.  Hannah Bell   Feb-19-11 07:31 PM   #77 
  - All of those points are founded in policy.  tekisui   Feb-19-11 07:38 PM   #79 
  - so you can't tell them when they are wrong and try to get them to do right?  yurbud   Feb-19-11 10:13 PM   #82 
  - Yes.  RandomThoughts   Feb-19-11 10:14 PM   #83 
  - Yes you can. WE HAVE NOT BEEN DOING that in a way that works, so we say "There is no way that works"  patrice   Feb-19-11 11:26 PM   #94 
  - Do you think some Republicans do the same thing?  RegieRocker   Feb-19-11 10:23 PM   #85 
  - Worse, you put a Party with No Principles above Principles.  readmoreoften   Feb-19-11 10:30 PM   #87 
  - Is it or is it not a disaster to decide that millions of people (a Party) are ir-relevant?  patrice   Feb-19-11 11:33 PM   #96 
  - What happens when your party no longer exhibits principles itself?  Tatiana   Feb-19-11 10:50 PM   #90 
  - That's the top-down thinking that has enslaved us. ****WE**** ARE the party. All real revolution  patrice   Feb-19-11 11:04 PM   #91 
  - "I will always be an unapologetic defender of the Democratic Party, right or wrong."  Bonobo   Feb-19-11 11:15 PM   #93 
  - True. Free people navigate by means of constant self-evaluation.  patrice   Feb-19-11 11:28 PM   #95 
  - In other words, cutting social security is ok, as long as it's a D that does it.  LooseWilly   Feb-19-11 11:36 PM   #97 
  - or busting teachers unions and privatizing education, or continuing Bush policies in Iraq...  yurbud   Feb-20-11 12:18 AM   #98 
  - +1 n/t  MissDeeds   Feb-20-11 08:41 AM   #99 
  - How would you like me to sum up your entire life "In other words..." The ARROGANCE is proof  patrice   Feb-20-11 10:49 AM   #102 
  - Self-Contradictory bullshit! Noam Chomsky would be embarassed. FREE youself form stereotyping others  patrice   Feb-20-11 10:51 AM   #103 
  - How dare you insult millions of GOOD Democrats!!! with your SLAVE TALK!  patrice   Feb-20-11 10:55 AM   #111 
  - = DIVIDE & CONQUOR.  patrice   Feb-20-11 11:03 AM   #113 
  - I will defend our party, but not those Obama failures and compromises.  grahamhgreen   Feb-20-11 10:53 AM   #105 
  - I think you're being too hard on yourself in claiming you are for "party over principle".  LoZoccolo   Feb-20-11 10:54 AM   #108 
  - No thanks, the party can fall off a cliff. I will still keep my principles.  Rex   Feb-20-11 10:55 AM   #110 
  - Two wrongs will never make a right in my world.  ScreamingMeemie   Feb-20-11 10:58 AM   #112 

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