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Sat Feb-19-11 04:59 PM
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| 22. So you are willing to compromise your way off the cliff, nice. |
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That's been the problem with far too many people who put party over principle. They figure that it is better to settle for the lesser evil rather than to actually fight for what is good and right. After years and decades we are now reaping the rewards of that failed philosophy.
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| -Why I will always put party over principle |
WonderGrunion |
Feb-19-11 03:59 PM |
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You know? It really puzzles me when others seem to think you MUST betray one for the other. |
patrice |
Feb-19-11 04:12 PM |
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In fairness though, I am betraying my basic priciples. |
WonderGrunion |
Feb-19-11 04:21 PM |
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Do you plan on ever giving up on any of that stuff? Are you going to shut up about it? |
patrice |
Feb-19-11 04:45 PM |
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+100 |
Hannah Bell |
Feb-19-11 07:08 PM |
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delete |
Tierra_y_Libertad |
Feb-19-11 07:12 PM |
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Vote your principles during the primaries. Vote your party during the General. |
JoePhilly |
Feb-19-11 04:18 PM |
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That concept is what lost a senate seat for democrats in Massachusetts. |
bluestate10 |
Feb-19-11 04:34 PM |
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Apparently not |
WonderGrunion |
Feb-19-11 04:35 PM |
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If you screw up in the primary, so be it. |
JoePhilly |
Feb-19-11 04:58 PM |
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I learned that Brown was elected because Obama failed to support a public option. |
grahamhgreen |
Feb-20-11 10:54 AM |
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If the Dems keep chasing the Repubs to the right, they'll create a vacuum |
leftstreet |
Feb-19-11 04:22 PM |
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The makers of Oreck disagree with your analogy |
WonderGrunion |
Feb-19-11 04:34 PM |
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Ralph Nader says there is no difference between Obama and a republican. |
bluestate10 |
Feb-19-11 04:30 PM |
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And Obama cutting low-income housing, which even * didn't do, is different... HOW????? |
bobbolink |
Feb-19-11 04:53 PM |
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Even undocumented immigrants organized and marched for their rights |
WonderGrunion |
Feb-19-11 04:57 PM |
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Yes, homeless peopple are lazy shits, and deserve to die. |
bobbolink |
Feb-19-11 05:06 PM |
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Yeah, I think I read that conventional wisdom from Michelle Malkin |
chill_wind |
Feb-19-11 07:24 PM |
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Oh give me a break, survival is a pretty tough job in itself... |
maryf |
Feb-20-11 10:38 AM |
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holy fuck! |
datasuspect |
Feb-20-11 10:54 AM |
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Following the party slowly but surely off the cliff precludes any alternative. |
TheKentuckian |
Feb-19-11 04:36 PM |
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Rule #1 - Do no harm. |
WonderGrunion |
Feb-19-11 04:52 PM |
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And homeless people dying is NO HARM, because we don't constitute a full human being. |
bobbolink |
Feb-19-11 04:55 PM |
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Hi bobbolink! GLAD to see you! I hope you're better . . . |
patrice |
Feb-19-11 04:58 PM |
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Homeless people don't even fight for their own rights |
WonderGrunion |
Feb-19-11 04:59 PM |
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Feb-19-11 05:20 PM |
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Hey Bobbie! |
MissDeeds |
Feb-19-11 06:03 PM |
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No, I'm very very ill, but it no longer matters. |
bobbolink |
Feb-19-11 06:19 PM |
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Hey Sweetie |
MissDeeds |
Feb-19-11 06:33 PM |
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So glad to see you here! |
maryf |
Feb-20-11 10:40 AM |
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you're lashing out at people on your own side... again. |
dionysus |
Feb-19-11 06:05 PM |
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I heard you were ill |
tkmorris |
Feb-19-11 05:00 PM |
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No, I'm not OK, and I no longer give a shit. |
bobbolink |
Feb-19-11 05:05 PM |
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The thread is not about the homeless |
treestar |
Feb-19-11 07:29 PM |
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This thread IS related to homelessness... |
maryf |
Feb-20-11 10:51 AM |
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The escalation of homelessness is such a perfect example of why the dems |
maryf |
Feb-20-11 10:54 AM |
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And there's always public relations ground to be gained in the struggle, ESPECIALLY now with everyth |
patrice |
Feb-19-11 04:56 PM |
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You are doing harm and are hoping to do less but do not account for buying |
TheKentuckian |
Feb-19-11 05:00 PM |
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So some would say the question is, then, how many people lost from following them off the cliff slow |
patrice |
Feb-19-11 04:54 PM |
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No matter how far to the right Obama goes, the r's will remain two steps to the right of that. |
Edweird |
Feb-19-11 04:51 PM |
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And I say that those that stay home and let republicans win |
WonderGrunion |
Feb-19-11 04:55 PM |
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If you want RW policy, there's already a party for that. they're -> that way ->. |
Edweird |
Feb-19-11 05:09 PM |
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Personally, I think there are a bunch of covert Libertarians in that demographic. They ARE on the |
patrice |
Feb-19-11 05:10 PM |
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I say that those that are willing to settle for crumbs, will always |
sabrina 1 |
Feb-19-11 10:29 PM |
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So you are willing to compromise your way off the cliff, nice. |
MadHound |
Feb-19-11 04:59 PM |
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Ok, you're the third person to use the "off the cliff analogy |
WonderGrunion |
Feb-19-11 05:04 PM |
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Well, I hate to disappoint you, but it isn't a big conspiracy. |
MadHound |
Feb-19-11 05:09 PM |
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No conspiracy, I just assumed you all heard it on Thom Hartman |
WonderGrunion |
Feb-19-11 05:11 PM |
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Well, you know what they say about Ass U Me. |
MadHound |
Feb-19-11 05:16 PM |
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I listen to Hartman, I didn't say his listeners were ditto heads |
WonderGrunion |
Feb-19-11 05:18 PM |
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Here, have a bigger shovel, |
MadHound |
Feb-19-11 05:19 PM |
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Handing me a shovel, like an SS officer at a Nazi deathcamp would? |
WonderGrunion |
Feb-19-11 05:20 PM |
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No, a shovel for you to keep digging on that hole you're in. |
MadHound |
Feb-19-11 05:28 PM |
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At what point was any of your post part of a "rational discussion" |
WonderGrunion |
Feb-19-11 05:32 PM |
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Wow, your powers of reading comprehension are absolutely stunning. |
MadHound |
Feb-19-11 05:39 PM |
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The same place I called you an anti-semite |
WonderGrunion |
Feb-19-11 05:41 PM |
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Geez, you certainly aren't up on your pop/political culture |
MadHound |
Feb-19-11 05:51 PM |
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I like Hartman |
white_wolf |
Feb-19-11 10:19 PM |
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Where did it come from? The size, composition & ownership of Bush's Derivative Crash of 2008. nt |
patrice |
Feb-19-11 05:15 PM |
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Definition of "fight"? Some of us oh-so-unprincipled Democrats take the fight right into whatever |
patrice |
Feb-19-11 05:23 PM |
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Never mind, why bother |
MadHound |
Feb-19-11 05:45 PM |
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It appears to me that you're the one saying people are un-principled if they cooperate theparty & |
patrice |
Feb-19-11 05:59 PM |
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+10000000 |
dionysus |
Feb-19-11 06:08 PM |
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A sure way to lose both, imho. n/t |
EFerrari |
Feb-19-11 05:06 PM |
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+1000 |
chill_wind |
Feb-19-11 07:28 PM |
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+10000000 |
readmoreoften |
Feb-19-11 10:31 PM |
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Funny, how people say things like that as though they have calculated absolutely every factor:person |
patrice |
Feb-19-11 11:14 PM |
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## PLEASE DONATE TO DEMOCRATIC UNDERGROUND! ## |
DU GrovelBot |
Feb-19-11 05:09 PM |
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See GrovelBot agrees with me |
WonderGrunion |
Feb-19-11 05:15 PM |
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I looked up "Triangulation" in an online dictionary, and it linked this post.... |
Junkdrawer |
Feb-19-11 05:53 PM |
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Do you have that link? |
WonderGrunion |
Feb-19-11 05:55 PM |
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Party without principle is nothing |
MissDeeds |
Feb-19-11 06:00 PM |
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Party over principle is not the same as party without principle |
WonderGrunion |
Feb-19-11 06:06 PM |
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Yes it is |
MissDeeds |
Feb-19-11 06:29 PM |
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Here Here |
BobbyBoring |
Feb-19-11 07:45 PM |
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False dichotomy. Supporting bad Dem policy won't save you from bad Rep policy. Just a duller knife. |
DirkGently |
Feb-19-11 06:20 PM |
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+1 |
mmonk |
Feb-19-11 07:17 PM |
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Obama was our best choice and unfortunately will likely be best choice in 2012. |
PufPuf23 |
Feb-19-11 06:49 PM |
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If a party is different from my principles, I don't see a reason |
mmonk |
Feb-19-11 07:06 PM |
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“Always vote for principle, though you may vote alone.." -John Quincy Adams |
Tierra_y_Libertad |
Feb-19-11 07:15 PM |
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Good quotes. The people that founded this country were not |
mmonk |
Feb-19-11 07:23 PM |
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THANKS for posting this |
Raine |
Feb-19-11 07:30 PM |
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Jefferson voted for independence |
treestar |
Feb-19-11 07:31 PM |
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You see, that Jefferson quote to Hopkinson is a given for me, ALWAYS has been. I think that since I |
patrice |
Feb-19-11 10:48 PM |
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No can do anymore |
Raine |
Feb-19-11 07:26 PM |
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I agree |
MissDeeds |
Feb-19-11 08:46 PM |
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sorry you don't get it. |
Hannah Bell |
Feb-19-11 07:31 PM |
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All of those points are founded in policy. |
tekisui |
Feb-19-11 07:38 PM |
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so you can't tell them when they are wrong and try to get them to do right? |
yurbud |
Feb-19-11 10:13 PM |
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Yes. |
RandomThoughts |
Feb-19-11 10:14 PM |
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Yes you can. WE HAVE NOT BEEN DOING that in a way that works, so we say "There is no way that works" |
patrice |
Feb-19-11 11:26 PM |
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Do you think some Republicans do the same thing? |
RegieRocker |
Feb-19-11 10:23 PM |
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Worse, you put a Party with No Principles above Principles. |
readmoreoften |
Feb-19-11 10:30 PM |
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Is it or is it not a disaster to decide that millions of people (a Party) are ir-relevant? |
patrice |
Feb-19-11 11:33 PM |
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What happens when your party no longer exhibits principles itself? |
Tatiana |
Feb-19-11 10:50 PM |
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That's the top-down thinking that has enslaved us. ****WE**** ARE the party. All real revolution |
patrice |
Feb-19-11 11:04 PM |
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"I will always be an unapologetic defender of the Democratic Party, right or wrong." |
Bonobo |
Feb-19-11 11:15 PM |
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True. Free people navigate by means of constant self-evaluation. |
patrice |
Feb-19-11 11:28 PM |
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In other words, cutting social security is ok, as long as it's a D that does it. |
LooseWilly |
Feb-19-11 11:36 PM |
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or busting teachers unions and privatizing education, or continuing Bush policies in Iraq... |
yurbud |
Feb-20-11 12:18 AM |
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+1 n/t |
MissDeeds |
Feb-20-11 08:41 AM |
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How would you like me to sum up your entire life "In other words..." The ARROGANCE is proof |
patrice |
Feb-20-11 10:49 AM |
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Self-Contradictory bullshit! Noam Chomsky would be embarassed. FREE youself form stereotyping others |
patrice |
Feb-20-11 10:51 AM |
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How dare you insult millions of GOOD Democrats!!! with your SLAVE TALK! |
patrice |
Feb-20-11 10:55 AM |
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= DIVIDE & CONQUOR. |
patrice |
Feb-20-11 11:03 AM |
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I will defend our party, but not those Obama failures and compromises. |
grahamhgreen |
Feb-20-11 10:53 AM |
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I think you're being too hard on yourself in claiming you are for "party over principle". |
LoZoccolo |
Feb-20-11 10:54 AM |
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No thanks, the party can fall off a cliff. I will still keep my principles. |
Rex |
Feb-20-11 10:55 AM |
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Two wrongs will never make a right in my world. |
ScreamingMeemie |
Feb-20-11 10:58 AM |
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