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WonderGrunion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-19-11 03:59 PM
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Why I will always put party over principle
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Obama: Failed to get EFCA passed
Republicans: Trying to eliminate the ability to collectively bargain

Obama: Cut LIHEAP in half because heating oil isn’t as expensive anymore
Republicans: Passed a bill totally defunding Planned Parenthood just out of spite

Obama: Established comprehensive teacher standards under Race To The Top
Republicans: Attempting to strip all benefits from teachers

Obama: Averted a new Great Depression and rescued workers and the economy from the brink of oblivion
Boehner: Hasn’t proposed a single bill that will create jobs yet, said “So be it” if he kills jobs while achieving his agenda.

Obama: Compromised with pro-life Democrats to explicitly subject the Affordable Care Act to the prohibitions of the Hyde Amendment
Republicans: Attempted to redefine rape FFS

While Obama and the Democratic congress haven’t been able to achieve everything desired and may have even been disappointing, they aren’t the unmitigated evil that is the Republican Party. Until there is any viable option to stopping the Republican Party other than the Democratic Party, I will always be an unapologetic defender of the Democratic Party, right or wrong.
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  -Why I will always put party over principle WonderGrunion  Feb-19-11 03:59 PM   #0 
  - You know? It really puzzles me when others seem to think you MUST betray one for the other.  patrice   Feb-19-11 04:12 PM   #1 
  - In fairness though, I am betraying my basic priciples.  WonderGrunion   Feb-19-11 04:21 PM   #3 
  - Do you plan on ever giving up on any of that stuff? Are you going to shut up about it?  patrice   Feb-19-11 04:45 PM   #10 
  - +100  Hannah Bell   Feb-19-11 07:08 PM   #67 
  - delete  Tierra_y_Libertad   Feb-19-11 07:12 PM   #68 
  - Vote your principles during the primaries. Vote your party during the General.  JoePhilly   Feb-19-11 04:18 PM   #2 
  - That concept is what lost a senate seat for democrats in Massachusetts.  bluestate10   Feb-19-11 04:34 PM   #6 
     - Apparently not  WonderGrunion   Feb-19-11 04:35 PM   #8 
     - If you screw up in the primary, so be it.  JoePhilly   Feb-19-11 04:58 PM   #20 
     - I learned that Brown was elected because Obama failed to support a public option.  grahamhgreen   Feb-20-11 10:54 AM   #109 
  - If the Dems keep chasing the Repubs to the right, they'll create a vacuum  leftstreet   Feb-19-11 04:22 PM   #4 
  - The makers of Oreck disagree with your analogy  WonderGrunion   Feb-19-11 04:34 PM   #7 
  - Ralph Nader says there is no difference between Obama and a republican.  bluestate10   Feb-19-11 04:30 PM   #5 
  - And Obama cutting low-income housing, which even * didn't do, is different... HOW?????  bobbolink   Feb-19-11 04:53 PM   #13 
     - Even undocumented immigrants organized and marched for their rights  WonderGrunion   Feb-19-11 04:57 PM   #18 
        - Yes, homeless peopple are lazy shits, and deserve to die.  bobbolink   Feb-19-11 05:06 PM   #28 
        - Yeah, I think I read that conventional wisdom from Michelle Malkin  chill_wind   Feb-19-11 07:24 PM   #72 
        - Oh give me a break, survival is a pretty tough job in itself...  maryf   Feb-20-11 10:38 AM   #100 
        - holy fuck!  datasuspect   Feb-20-11 10:54 AM   #106 
  - Following the party slowly but surely off the cliff precludes any alternative.  TheKentuckian   Feb-19-11 04:36 PM   #9 
  - Rule #1 - Do no harm.  WonderGrunion   Feb-19-11 04:52 PM   #12 
  - And homeless people dying is NO HARM, because we don't constitute a full human being.  bobbolink   Feb-19-11 04:55 PM   #16 
  - Hi bobbolink! GLAD to see you! I hope you're better . . .  patrice   Feb-19-11 04:58 PM   #19 
  - Homeless people don't even fight for their own rights  WonderGrunion   Feb-19-11 04:59 PM   #21 
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                 - Hey Bobbie!  MissDeeds   Feb-19-11 06:03 PM   #57 
                 - No, I'm very very ill, but it no longer matters.  bobbolink   Feb-19-11 06:19 PM   #61 
                    - Hey Sweetie  MissDeeds   Feb-19-11 06:33 PM   #64 
                    - So glad to see you here!  maryf   Feb-20-11 10:40 AM   #101 
                 - you're lashing out at people on your own side... again.  dionysus   Feb-19-11 06:05 PM   #58 
  - I heard you were ill  tkmorris   Feb-19-11 05:00 PM   #24 
  - No, I'm not OK, and I no longer give a shit.  bobbolink   Feb-19-11 05:05 PM   #27 
  - The thread is not about the homeless  treestar   Feb-19-11 07:29 PM   #75 
  - This thread IS related to homelessness...  maryf   Feb-20-11 10:51 AM   #104 
  - The escalation of homelessness is such a perfect example of why the dems  maryf   Feb-20-11 10:54 AM   #107 
  - And there's always public relations ground to be gained in the struggle, ESPECIALLY now with everyth  patrice   Feb-19-11 04:56 PM   #17 
  - You are doing harm and are hoping to do less but do not account for buying  TheKentuckian   Feb-19-11 05:00 PM   #23 
  - So some would say the question is, then, how many people lost from following them off the cliff slow  patrice   Feb-19-11 04:54 PM   #14 
  - No matter how far to the right Obama goes, the r's will remain two steps to the right of that.  Edweird   Feb-19-11 04:51 PM   #11 
  - And I say that those that stay home and let republicans win  WonderGrunion   Feb-19-11 04:55 PM   #15 
     - If you want RW policy, there's already a party for that. they're -> that way ->.  Edweird   Feb-19-11 05:09 PM   #31 
     - Personally, I think there are a bunch of covert Libertarians in that demographic. They ARE on the  patrice   Feb-19-11 05:10 PM   #33 
     - I say that those that are willing to settle for crumbs, will always  sabrina 1   Feb-19-11 10:29 PM   #86 
  - So you are willing to compromise your way off the cliff, nice.  MadHound   Feb-19-11 04:59 PM   #22 
  - Ok, you're the third person to use the "off the cliff analogy  WonderGrunion   Feb-19-11 05:04 PM   #25 
  - Well, I hate to disappoint you, but it isn't a big conspiracy.  MadHound   Feb-19-11 05:09 PM   # 
  - No conspiracy, I just assumed you all heard it on Thom Hartman  WonderGrunion   Feb-19-11 05:11 PM   #35 
     - Well, you know what they say about Ass U Me.  MadHound   Feb-19-11 05:16 PM   #40 
        - I listen to Hartman, I didn't say his listeners were ditto heads  WonderGrunion   Feb-19-11 05:18 PM   #42 
           - Here, have a bigger shovel,  MadHound   Feb-19-11 05:19 PM   #43 
           - Handing me a shovel, like an SS officer at a Nazi deathcamp would?  WonderGrunion   Feb-19-11 05:20 PM   #45 
              - No, a shovel for you to keep digging on that hole you're in.  MadHound   Feb-19-11 05:28 PM   #47 
                 - At what point was any of your post part of a "rational discussion"  WonderGrunion   Feb-19-11 05:32 PM   #48 
                    - Wow, your powers of reading comprehension are absolutely stunning.  MadHound   Feb-19-11 05:39 PM   #49 
                       - The same place I called you an anti-semite  WonderGrunion   Feb-19-11 05:41 PM   #50 
                          - Geez, you certainly aren't up on your pop/political culture  MadHound   Feb-19-11 05:51 PM   #52 
           - I like Hartman  white_wolf   Feb-19-11 10:19 PM   #84 
  - Where did it come from? The size, composition & ownership of Bush's Derivative Crash of 2008. nt  patrice   Feb-19-11 05:15 PM   #38 
  - Definition of "fight"? Some of us oh-so-unprincipled Democrats take the fight right into whatever  patrice   Feb-19-11 05:23 PM   #46 
     - Never mind, why bother  MadHound   Feb-19-11 05:45 PM   #51 
     - It appears to me that you're the one saying people are un-principled if they cooperate theparty &  patrice   Feb-19-11 05:59 PM   #55 
     - +10000000  dionysus   Feb-19-11 06:08 PM   #60 
  - A sure way to lose both, imho. n/t  EFerrari   Feb-19-11 05:06 PM   #29 
  - +1000  chill_wind   Feb-19-11 07:28 PM   #74 
  - +10000000  readmoreoften   Feb-19-11 10:31 PM   #88 
  - Funny, how people say things like that as though they have calculated absolutely every factor:person  patrice   Feb-19-11 11:14 PM   #92 
  - ## PLEASE DONATE TO DEMOCRATIC UNDERGROUND! ##  DU GrovelBot   Feb-19-11 05:09 PM   #32 
  - See GrovelBot agrees with me  WonderGrunion   Feb-19-11 05:15 PM   #39 
  - I looked up "Triangulation" in an online dictionary, and it linked this post....  Junkdrawer   Feb-19-11 05:53 PM   #53 
  - Do you have that link?  WonderGrunion   Feb-19-11 05:55 PM   #54 
  - Party without principle is nothing  MissDeeds   Feb-19-11 06:00 PM   #56 
  - Party over principle is not the same as party without principle  WonderGrunion   Feb-19-11 06:06 PM   #59 
  - Yes it is  MissDeeds   Feb-19-11 06:29 PM   #63 
  - Here Here  BobbyBoring   Feb-19-11 07:45 PM   #80 
  - False dichotomy. Supporting bad Dem policy won't save you from bad Rep policy. Just a duller knife.  DirkGently   Feb-19-11 06:20 PM   #62 
  - +1  mmonk   Feb-19-11 07:17 PM   #70 
  - Obama was our best choice and unfortunately will likely be best choice in 2012.  PufPuf23   Feb-19-11 06:49 PM   #65 
  - If a party is different from my principles, I don't see a reason  mmonk   Feb-19-11 07:06 PM   #66 
  - “Always vote for principle, though you may vote alone.." -John Quincy Adams  Tierra_y_Libertad   Feb-19-11 07:15 PM   #69 
  - Good quotes. The people that founded this country were not  mmonk   Feb-19-11 07:23 PM   #71 
  - THANKS for posting this  Raine   Feb-19-11 07:30 PM   #76 
  - Jefferson voted for independence  treestar   Feb-19-11 07:31 PM   #78 
  - You see, that Jefferson quote to Hopkinson is a given for me, ALWAYS has been. I think that since I  patrice   Feb-19-11 10:48 PM   #89 
  - No can do anymore  Raine   Feb-19-11 07:26 PM   #73 
  - I agree  MissDeeds   Feb-19-11 08:46 PM   #81 
  - sorry you don't get it.  Hannah Bell   Feb-19-11 07:31 PM   #77 
  - All of those points are founded in policy.  tekisui   Feb-19-11 07:38 PM   #79 
  - so you can't tell them when they are wrong and try to get them to do right?  yurbud   Feb-19-11 10:13 PM   #82 
  - Yes.  RandomThoughts   Feb-19-11 10:14 PM   #83 
  - Yes you can. WE HAVE NOT BEEN DOING that in a way that works, so we say "There is no way that works"  patrice   Feb-19-11 11:26 PM   #94 
  - Do you think some Republicans do the same thing?  RegieRocker   Feb-19-11 10:23 PM   #85 
  - Worse, you put a Party with No Principles above Principles.  readmoreoften   Feb-19-11 10:30 PM   #87 
  - Is it or is it not a disaster to decide that millions of people (a Party) are ir-relevant?  patrice   Feb-19-11 11:33 PM   #96 
  - What happens when your party no longer exhibits principles itself?  Tatiana   Feb-19-11 10:50 PM   #90 
  - That's the top-down thinking that has enslaved us. ****WE**** ARE the party. All real revolution  patrice   Feb-19-11 11:04 PM   #91 
  - "I will always be an unapologetic defender of the Democratic Party, right or wrong."  Bonobo   Feb-19-11 11:15 PM   #93 
  - True. Free people navigate by means of constant self-evaluation.  patrice   Feb-19-11 11:28 PM   #95 
  - In other words, cutting social security is ok, as long as it's a D that does it.  LooseWilly   Feb-19-11 11:36 PM   #97 
  - or busting teachers unions and privatizing education, or continuing Bush policies in Iraq...  yurbud   Feb-20-11 12:18 AM   #98 
  - +1 n/t  MissDeeds   Feb-20-11 08:41 AM   #99 
  - How would you like me to sum up your entire life "In other words..." The ARROGANCE is proof  patrice   Feb-20-11 10:49 AM   #102 
  - Self-Contradictory bullshit! Noam Chomsky would be embarassed. FREE youself form stereotyping others  patrice   Feb-20-11 10:51 AM   #103 
  - How dare you insult millions of GOOD Democrats!!! with your SLAVE TALK!  patrice   Feb-20-11 10:55 AM   #111 
  - = DIVIDE & CONQUOR.  patrice   Feb-20-11 11:03 AM   #113 
  - I will defend our party, but not those Obama failures and compromises.  grahamhgreen   Feb-20-11 10:53 AM   #105 
  - I think you're being too hard on yourself in claiming you are for "party over principle".  LoZoccolo   Feb-20-11 10:54 AM   #108 
  - No thanks, the party can fall off a cliff. I will still keep my principles.  Rex   Feb-20-11 10:55 AM   #110 
  - Two wrongs will never make a right in my world.  ScreamingMeemie   Feb-20-11 10:58 AM   #112 
 

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