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Mon Dec-20-10 08:31 AM
Response to Reply #25 |
| 87. ^ Sabrina: "I never saw this kind of defense of it when Bush was president." |
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Heck no. No way, no how.
People here were more uniform in opposing wars, violence, imprisonment and torture back then.
It's fairly clear they're trying to break Manning. He's a kid. And, as my veteran friends all say, what kind of Army lets an untested 22 year old PFC have access to top secret or highly classified info anyway?
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| -Bradley Manning is on suicide watch. Yes, this is torture. |
WillYourVoteBCounted |
Dec-19-10 09:07 PM |
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Hang in there Bradley. If things continue as they seem to be doing, |
truedelphi |
Dec-19-10 09:11 PM |
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So, this is what you get for taking that "all enemies, foreign and domestic" pledge seriously. |
Fridays Child |
Dec-19-10 09:12 PM |
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Perfectly said... |
midnight |
Dec-20-10 10:47 AM |
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Yep, he is the ememy, domestic. Read the whole thing |
Pavulon |
Dec-20-10 05:30 PM |
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K&R |
EFerrari |
Dec-19-10 09:13 PM |
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My heart breaks for him. I hope I live to see the people doing this to him |
Catherina |
Dec-19-10 09:15 PM |
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Not a chance, I'm sorry to opine. Look at what else has been got away with. nt |
thanks_imjustlurking |
Dec-20-10 09:15 AM |
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How horrifying! |
CaliforniaPeggy |
Dec-19-10 09:17 PM |
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In 1890, the Supreme Court almost ruled that prolonged solitary is unconstitutional. |
Eric J in MN |
Dec-19-10 09:18 PM |
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POI under the rules is different then solitary confinement |
littlewolf |
Dec-19-10 10:01 PM |
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It wouldn't be reasonable for them to claim that |
Eric J in MN |
Dec-20-10 04:47 AM |
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no but walking around in the general population |
littlewolf |
Dec-20-10 07:47 AM |
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That is wrong not to allow him to exercise. |
The Backlash Cometh |
Dec-19-10 09:20 PM |
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. |
patrice |
Dec-19-10 09:21 PM |
#8 |
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Read the article and see that he gets an hour a day to exercise. |
jaxx |
Dec-19-10 09:27 PM |
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Disgusting shit |
Catherina |
Dec-19-10 09:47 PM |
#26 |
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We can't let this man fall below the radar. |
EFerrari |
Dec-19-10 09:51 PM |
#28 |
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I thought there were supposed to be protections for whistleblowers. |
PDJane |
Dec-19-10 09:21 PM |
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He is subject to the UCMJ. n/t |
oneshooter |
Dec-19-10 09:27 PM |
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Punishing someone before their trial violates the UCMJ. |
EFerrari |
Dec-19-10 09:32 PM |
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Well, if Bush could ignore it -- I guess Obama will, as well .... ???/ |
defendandprotect |
Dec-20-10 09:26 PM |
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Selling nuclear weapon designs to al-Qaeda is also whistle blowing in your book? |
stray cat |
Dec-19-10 09:33 PM |
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Evidence of that one please |
nadinbrzezinski |
Dec-19-10 09:36 PM |
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Do you think he had a clue what he was releasing -if you read the post you would get the point |
stray cat |
Dec-19-10 09:37 PM |
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Yes, no nuclear secrets went on that network |
nadinbrzezinski |
Dec-19-10 09:40 PM |
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You are aware Manning had access to both SIPRNET and JWICS right. |
Statistical |
Dec-19-10 10:08 PM |
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Thank you, nadinbrzezinski. There is so much false information |
JDPriestly |
Dec-20-10 03:03 AM |
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You are thanking him for a false claim. |
Statistical |
Dec-20-10 09:00 AM |
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Speaking of false claims, who was "killed," exactly, by Manning's alleged actions? |
DirkGently |
Dec-20-10 12:59 PM |
#108 |
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But you still need specific SCI to open some of those doors |
Sirveri |
Dec-20-10 05:20 PM |
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They're not going to put nuclear weapon data on SIPRNet |
Canuckistanian |
Dec-19-10 09:59 PM |
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Not only that nuclear secrets |
nadinbrzezinski |
Dec-19-10 10:07 PM |
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Manning had access to JWICS also. |
Statistical |
Dec-19-10 10:08 PM |
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JWICS? I didn't know that |
Canuckistanian |
Dec-19-10 11:18 PM |
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Clearance has nothing to do with rank. Nothing. |
Statistical |
Dec-19-10 11:24 PM |
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Aren't both of those compartmentalised? |
TheMadMonk |
Dec-20-10 08:52 PM |
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Plenty of Nuclear Weapons data is less than TS |
Zywiec |
Dec-20-10 08:24 AM |
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I haven't heard any accusation that he sold nuclear weapon designs to |
JDPriestly |
Dec-20-10 03:02 AM |
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Another RW meme in what seems like an endless stream. |
Forkboy |
Dec-20-10 06:46 PM |
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Time to use the alert function. nm |
rhett o rick |
Dec-20-10 07:26 PM |
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So you rationalize that torturing him is ok because he is ACCUSED of releasing classified info? |
rhett o rick |
Dec-20-10 07:26 PM |
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US/CIA created Al Qaeda ...financed it up to 9/11 and probably beyond.... |
defendandprotect |
Dec-20-10 08:36 PM |
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he isn't a whistleblower |
TorchTheWitch |
Dec-19-10 10:45 PM |
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That's a very good point |
jberryhill |
Dec-20-10 04:49 AM |
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...The guards at the confinement facility are professional. |
jaxx |
Dec-19-10 09:26 PM |
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People expect a conviction before he is sentenced. |
some guy |
Dec-19-10 09:43 PM |
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People are in jail everywhere awaiting trials. |
jaxx |
Dec-19-10 09:55 PM |
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You do realize he is in the service, yes? |
jberryhill |
Dec-19-10 09:58 PM |
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Thanks, some guy. |
JDPriestly |
Dec-20-10 03:05 AM |
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And if you are a friend of Mannings, or you visit him, you will be |
sabrina 1 |
Dec-19-10 09:44 PM |
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That kind of talk is out of control. |
jaxx |
Dec-19-10 10:00 PM |
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No, it's not out of control, his friends have been harrassed. |
EFerrari |
Dec-19-10 10:14 PM |
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Well, if Greenwald says it......... |
jaxx |
Dec-19-10 10:26 PM |
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Greenwald quotes two experts. There for you to read. |
EFerrari |
Dec-19-10 10:31 PM |
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Experts are a dime a dozen. |
jaxx |
Dec-19-10 10:32 PM |
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No, jaxx. One of them is the commission that writes reports |
EFerrari |
Dec-19-10 10:45 PM |
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Is he saying this about all prisoners, no solitary? |
jaxx |
Dec-19-10 10:50 PM |
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Here is the report. Look at Section 2. It's not that long and you can skim it. |
EFerrari |
Dec-19-10 11:14 PM |
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He does have books, tv and weekly visits. |
jaxx |
Dec-19-10 11:44 PM |
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Lock yourself in your bathroom for a week. |
obxhead |
Dec-20-10 08:49 PM |
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Serve aboard a submarine for six months |
jberryhill |
Dec-21-10 01:10 PM |
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"Experts are a dime a dozen." |
Forkboy |
Dec-20-10 06:48 PM |
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Thank you. I wasn't sure what 'talk' was out of control since everything I said |
sabrina 1 |
Dec-19-10 11:18 PM |
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^ Sabrina: "I never saw this kind of defense of it when Bush was president." |
Mimosa |
Dec-20-10 08:31 AM |
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Would it be reasonable for the government to take an interest in Julius Rosenberg's visitors? |
BrightKnight |
Dec-20-10 10:54 AM |
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Those soldiers in the Abu Graib photos were professionals, too. |
EFerrari |
Dec-19-10 09:50 PM |
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Presumption of innocence. Is that simple enough for you to understand? |
snagglepuss |
Dec-19-10 09:55 PM |
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But people can still be held pending trial |
treestar |
Dec-19-10 09:57 PM |
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Presumption of innocence is a jury instruction |
jberryhill |
Dec-19-10 09:59 PM |
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Name some people you know being held pending trial under those conditions? |
snagglepuss |
Dec-19-10 10:26 PM |
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I'm sorry but I only know one person who was ever arrested for a serious crime |
jberryhill |
Dec-19-10 10:55 PM |
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Seems a little ridiculous that he can't read, exercise, and sleep as he pleases in his cell |
Hippo_Tron |
Dec-20-10 08:44 PM |
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Can't do that on active duty either |
jberryhill |
Dec-21-10 01:08 PM |
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That is for the court. |
jaxx |
Dec-19-10 10:07 PM |
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I expected the treatment he's getting |
customerserviceguy |
Dec-19-10 10:25 PM |
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I wonder about that. |
EFerrari |
Dec-19-10 10:29 PM |
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More than 90% |
NutmegYankee |
Dec-20-10 08:30 AM |
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He is in jail for allegedly stealing government docs. |
tekisui |
Dec-20-10 09:25 AM |
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And that is (I think) the fourth |
verges |
Dec-20-10 12:05 PM |
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That's a right wing lie. He is not in jail for stealing anything. |
rhett o rick |
Dec-20-10 07:30 PM |
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He IS being tortured. This is reprehensible. |
sabrina 1 |
Dec-19-10 09:29 PM |
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Do you have ANY evidence that he is actually being tortured? |
BrightKnight |
Dec-20-10 02:37 PM |
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K&R |
DeSwiss |
Dec-19-10 09:31 PM |
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Are you sure they were watching him every minute to make sure he did not do a single push up? |
stray cat |
Dec-19-10 09:31 PM |
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A 5 minute check, he can do a lot in 5 minutes. |
jaxx |
Dec-19-10 09:34 PM |
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5 minute mile if he were in shape |
stray cat |
Dec-19-10 09:35 PM |
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Torture is as American as cherry pie (with apologies to H. Rap Brown) - n/t |
coalition_unwilling |
Dec-19-10 09:37 PM |
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this is being trumped up |
treestar |
Dec-19-10 09:58 PM |
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Yeah right. Name suspects who have been held for months in solitary, |
snagglepuss |
Dec-19-10 10:25 PM |
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Routinely suspects who are a danger to others or IN DANGER from others are held in isolation. |
Statistical |
Dec-19-10 10:28 PM |
#48 |
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Prison officals declared Manning is not suicidal. |
snagglepuss |
Dec-19-10 10:30 PM |
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Virtually anyone in the military accused of a capital crime. n/t |
stevenleser |
Dec-19-10 10:31 PM |
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My understanding is that he has not been accused of committing a capital |
snagglepuss |
Dec-19-10 11:04 PM |
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Intentional release of tens and hundreds of thousands of documents classified as secret is |
stevenleser |
Dec-19-10 11:13 PM |
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Support of basic human rights shouldn't be contingent upon |
EFerrari |
Dec-19-10 11:50 PM |
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Are you sure you meant to respond to me? Your comment seems unrelated to my post. n/t |
stevenleser |
Dec-19-10 11:56 PM |
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This practice of the United States has been condemned |
EFerrari |
Dec-19-10 11:15 PM |
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As it should be. However, this is not unique to Manning. It happens routinely in every US jail. |
BzaDem |
Dec-19-10 11:18 PM |
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Once again, siding with the Oligarchy. Why are you allowed in DU? nm |
rhett o rick |
Dec-20-10 07:31 PM |
#132 |
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K&R n/t |
myrna minx |
Dec-19-10 09:59 PM |
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He's being treated as any other POI prisoner |
TorchTheWitch |
Dec-19-10 10:28 PM |
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I am so sickened by this fascist brutality. |
Odin2005 |
Dec-19-10 10:28 PM |
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Kick. (nt) |
Kurovski |
Dec-19-10 10:37 PM |
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Thanks for throwing this Blog up Attorney Coombs... if you read this. |
Ellipsis |
Dec-20-10 12:06 AM |
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Suggestions for action from Bradley Manning Support Networks |
EFerrari |
Dec-20-10 12:36 AM |
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Thanks. nm |
rhett o rick |
Dec-20-10 07:32 PM |
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Mind control. That is the aim. |
JDPriestly |
Dec-20-10 02:58 AM |
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Everybody in the military has to follow orders. |
MilesColtrane |
Dec-20-10 12:52 PM |
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K&+R |
Senator |
Dec-20-10 05:21 AM |
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What crime(s) has Bradley Manning officially been charged with? |
Crystal Clarity |
Dec-20-10 08:11 AM |
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Last I heard he hadn't been charged. |
lonestarnot |
Dec-20-10 08:30 AM |
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Huh. I'm even more confused now |
Crystal Clarity |
Dec-20-10 09:22 AM |
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He was charged on 5 July 2010 with UCMJ violations |
Crabby Appleton |
Dec-20-10 11:12 AM |
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Wow. Thanks for the info. |
Crystal Clarity |
Dec-20-10 11:31 AM |
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The logs of his chats with Adrian Lamo about wikileaks |
Crabby Appleton |
Dec-20-10 11:44 AM |
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Unauthorized disclosure of classified material. |
NutmegYankee |
Dec-20-10 11:32 AM |
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K&R |
me b zola |
Dec-20-10 08:25 AM |
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wow... creepy |
fascisthunter |
Dec-20-10 09:06 AM |
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I read somewhere he did this because he did not like the DADT policy |
AngryAmish |
Dec-20-10 09:06 AM |
#90 |
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That's wrong. He took evidence of human rights abuses to his superior |
EFerrari |
Dec-20-10 01:45 PM |
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That sounds like it came from some rightwing publication. |
sabrina 1 |
Dec-20-10 04:28 PM |
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recommend |
xchrom |
Dec-20-10 09:10 AM |
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Somebody email Obama! Quick! He needs to know! He'll fight for Manning! |
Karmadillo |
Dec-20-10 09:26 AM |
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Here's the tweet. |
EFerrari |
Dec-20-10 07:37 PM |
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Never any doubt in my mind that this Government would torture it's own citizens. |
sarcasmo |
Dec-20-10 10:47 AM |
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America is now an anti democratic "China" |
kgnu_fan |
Dec-20-10 11:40 AM |
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If he had pulled this in China, he would already have been executed |
Freddie Stubbs |
Dec-20-10 12:16 PM |
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If this had happened in China, we'd be pushing for him to get a Nobel Peace Prize. n/t |
Catherina |
Dec-20-10 01:42 PM |
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+1 |
Kingofalldems |
Dec-20-10 02:35 PM |
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+1000% |
defendandprotect |
Dec-20-10 08:27 PM |
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How many Chinese charged with espionage have been awarded the Nobel Peace Prize? |
Freddie Stubbs |
Dec-21-10 07:42 AM |
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Fail |
Kingofalldems |
Dec-20-10 02:35 PM |
#115 |
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How many Chinese charged with espionage have been awarded the Nobel Peace Prize? |
Freddie Stubbs |
Dec-21-10 07:43 AM |
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If he did that in China nobody would know anything about it. - n/t |
BrightKnight |
Dec-20-10 01:06 PM |
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Imagine there are quite a few things going on in this country we know nothing about ..... |
defendandprotect |
Dec-20-10 09:44 PM |
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Please contact the Whitehouse. Link below. |
chaska |
Dec-20-10 12:43 PM |
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Ahhh I think the WH knows whats going on.... Obama is the commander in chief |
IamK |
Dec-20-10 08:59 PM |
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Allowing him to interact with anyone without security clearance |
BrightKnight |
Dec-20-10 01:58 PM |
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Brad's lawyer now on twitter: @armycmdefense n/t |
EFerrari |
Dec-20-10 02:24 PM |
#113 |
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Six months after he gets convicted for treasonous acts no one here will give two shits about |
Ikonoklast |
Dec-20-10 02:44 PM |
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If he is convicted of treason, |
DeadEyeDyck |
Dec-20-10 06:37 PM |
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Yeah, just like we all forgot about Leonard Peltier. |
EFerrari |
Dec-20-10 07:33 PM |
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I don't think so ... but it's not like there aren't another 1,000 things wrong .... |
defendandprotect |
Dec-20-10 08:32 PM |
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Since this harsh treatment has not posltive purpose |
Marnie |
Dec-20-10 02:44 PM |
#118 |
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"prolonged sensory deprivation" |
MilesColtrane |
Dec-20-10 05:29 PM |
#121 |
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We're not really talking about reruns here but brain damage. n/t |
EFerrari |
Dec-20-10 07:36 PM |
#135 |
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Send him fresh flowers and porn to decorate his dreary prison cell. - n/t |
BrightKnight |
Dec-20-10 08:47 PM |
#148 |
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Another Amerian hero weighs in. n/t |
EFerrari |
Dec-20-10 08:53 PM |
#151 |
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It is possible to reject both jingoistic bull shit AND treason. n/t |
BrightKnight |
Dec-20-10 09:10 PM |
#153 |
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The only thing Manning betrayed is the corruption of your government. |
EFerrari |
Dec-20-10 09:17 PM |
#154 |
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He will flip and testify against assange to spare himself execution |
Pavulon |
Dec-20-10 05:33 PM |
#123 |
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K&R |
madmax |
Dec-20-10 05:34 PM |
#124 |
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This the same kind of stuff Thomas Cromwell ordered done to |
sirthomas66 |
Dec-20-10 07:17 PM |
#128 |
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Jesus Christ, what a country! |
irislake |
Dec-20-10 07:53 PM |
#137 |
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I wish I lived next door |
abelenkpe |
Dec-20-10 08:38 PM |
#145 |
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Wondered if some day I was going have to say, "I'm ashamed to be an American".... |
defendandprotect |
Dec-20-10 08:20 PM |
#138 |
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KICK and Rec |
Homer Wells |
Dec-20-10 08:22 PM |
#139 |
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FTA nt |
Joey Liberal |
Dec-20-10 08:24 PM |
#140 |
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isolation of this sort is punitive and so illegal. |
Vattel |
Dec-20-10 08:26 PM |
#141 |
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someone painted the floor with the contents |
Pavulon |
Dec-20-10 09:26 PM |
#159 |
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I am not claiming that he shouldn't be in protective custody. |
Vattel |
Dec-21-10 06:09 AM |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Dec-20-10 08:46 PM |
#147 |
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And, somehow, you'd be wrong. |
EFerrari |
Dec-20-10 09:21 PM |
#156 |
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You'd be wrong .... |
defendandprotect |
Dec-20-10 09:49 PM |
#163 |
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They are effectively destroying his testimony |
lovuian |
Dec-20-10 09:19 PM |
#155 |
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he will be just fine, he is getting meds and not in genpop where |
Pavulon |
Dec-20-10 09:25 PM |
#157 |
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Bullshit, leaking is a solid crime! |
LAGC |
Dec-20-10 09:49 PM |
#162 |
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If a smidge of justice is left anywhere, fact Manning was held in Isolation should disqualify... |
defendandprotect |
Dec-20-10 09:43 PM |
#160 |
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Did Wikileaks ever pony up the 100k they promised Manning's defense? Why aren't DUers asking |
msanthrope |
Dec-21-10 08:23 AM |
#167 |
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Since Wikileaks has funding issues thanks to BoA, Paypal, Mastercard, etc refusing to process paymen |
WillYourVoteBCounted |
Dec-21-10 01:30 PM |
#170 |
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