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WatsonT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-11 11:25 AM
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40. "Reading from the official manual isn't "knowledge"."
And here's the problem: no data will be admissible unless it reaffirms the original theory. Otherwise it is all corporate propaganda. It's value is judged not based on the quality of the study but on the 'quality' of it's conclusions.

"And your attempt to engage in a fallacious argument is eminently ignorable. It doesn't matter if the argument is legal, scientific or theological. "

It matters a great deal. When the argument starts with "these things are unsafe and eating them will cause us all to mutate in to horrible genetic freaks" and then shifts to "well there are a lot of legal problems with it" I'm going to call BS. Legal problems can be dealt with . . . legally. But to equate those with problems in the science is absurd.

That's like saying some medicine magically doesn't work because it's awful that some companies get a patent and make billions off them while exploiting the poor. No, the medicine works, the marketing of them is what needs refinement.
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  -Danger lies on the GM food road marmar  Feb-14-11 08:04 AM   #0 
  - So?  inademv   Feb-14-11 08:09 AM   #1 
  - You obviously have been paying damn little attention  SpiralHawk   Feb-14-11 08:13 AM   #2 
  - You mean  inademv   Feb-14-11 08:20 AM   #5 
  - You obviously are well versed in the playbook  SpiralHawk   Feb-14-11 09:12 AM   #23 
  - is your body Round Up ready?  WhiteTara   Feb-14-11 10:31 AM   #32 
  - Mine isn't  WatsonT   Feb-14-11 12:52 PM   #46 
     - You're right. Potatoes haven't been genetically modified yet  WhiteTara   Feb-14-11 05:13 PM   #71 
        - Fine fine, corn chips then  WatsonT   Feb-14-11 05:59 PM   #77 
           - Again, you're right. You're an American  WhiteTara   Feb-14-11 10:55 PM   #93 
              - That wasn't an answer  WatsonT   Feb-15-11 09:15 AM   #101 
                 - My opinion of vaccines/autism?  WhiteTara   Feb-15-11 09:22 AM   #102 
                    - You do realize that plants produce their own pesticides  WatsonT   Feb-15-11 09:30 AM   #103 
                       - Love your assumptions about me  WhiteTara   Feb-15-11 10:45 AM   #104 
                          - Assumptions based on your statements  WatsonT   Feb-15-11 10:56 AM   #105 
                          - So does that mean you are aware that plants produce their own presticides?  WatsonT   Feb-15-11 12:22 PM   #110 
  - link please?  roody   Feb-14-11 11:18 AM   #38 
  - Support your claim: "responsible for preventing blindness in millions  Ignis   Feb-14-11 01:27 PM   #55 
  - It appears that it has the potential to do so, but distribution has been held up  NickB79   Feb-14-11 01:32 PM   #57 
     - Be prepared for the inevitable circular logic that will ensue  WatsonT   Feb-14-11 02:52 PM   #60 
     - I'm still waiting for support of the "millions saved" assertion.  Ignis   Feb-14-11 04:09 PM   #61 
        - Sadly the benefits are of GR are still largely  WatsonT   Feb-14-11 06:05 PM   #78 
           - Lack of food grown currently isn't the problem causing world hunger.  Ignis   Feb-14-11 06:14 PM   #79 
              - Corrupt despotic governments  WatsonT   Feb-14-11 07:25 PM   #85 
                 - Let me see if I understand your math here:  Ignis   Feb-15-11 04:02 AM   #95 
                    - Yes. Many experts believe that the key to fixing starvation is not starving  WatsonT   Feb-15-11 09:10 AM   #100 
                       - As a donating and volunteer member of Oxfam for 20+ years, I have a few ideas.  Ignis   Feb-15-11 11:58 AM   #106 
                          - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Feb-15-11 12:19 PM   #109 
     - So it was a false claim? Thanks for clarifying.  Ignis   Feb-14-11 04:11 PM   #63 
  - bullshit. gmo = disaster for people & environment.  appal_jack   Feb-16-11 07:04 PM   #114 
  - All food we eat are mutants  WatsonT   Feb-14-11 08:25 AM   #7 
     - I see mustard all the time!  inademv   Feb-14-11 08:26 AM   #8 
     - False. Selective breeding works entirely within the laws of billions  mistertrickster   Feb-14-11 08:48 AM   #19 
        - Genes  inademv   Feb-14-11 08:58 AM   #22 
        - is your body Round Up ready?  WhiteTara   Feb-14-11 10:34 AM   #33 
        - Can you breath underwater after eating a fish dinner? nt  NickB79   Feb-14-11 01:17 PM   #52 
           - Only if it's GM tuna.  WatsonT   Feb-14-11 09:26 PM   #89 
              - Why GM tuna?  inademv   Feb-15-11 04:49 AM   #96 
                 - Well see we've engineered them to have all these genes in them  WatsonT   Feb-15-11 09:09 AM   #99 
        - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Feb-15-11 12:11 PM   #107 
        - Looks like somebody else ought to do some research . . .  mistertrickster   Feb-16-11 06:47 PM   #113 
        - Vast monoculture fields  WatsonT   Feb-14-11 12:10 PM   #41 
        - How often do plants cross pollinate with animals  UnrepentantLiberal   Feb-14-11 01:14 PM   #50 
           - Almost never  WatsonT   Feb-14-11 01:22 PM   #53 
           - There are several known or suspected examples of natural gene transfer between plants and animals  NickB79   Feb-14-11 01:24 PM   #54 
              - Let's try that again with  UnrepentantLiberal   Feb-14-11 01:55 PM   #58 
                 - So the answer you got  inademv   Feb-14-11 02:38 PM   #59 
                    - Thanks for telling me to "look it up." I found that you were even more wrong than I first thought.  mistertrickster   Feb-17-11 08:48 AM   #116 
        - False. Google "lateral gene transfer" or "horizontal gene transfer"  NickB79   Feb-14-11 01:16 PM   #51 
  - You don't see  LWolf   Feb-14-11 08:13 AM   #3 
  - That  inademv   Feb-14-11 08:18 AM   #4 
  - GM foods have a whole boatload of different problems, it's true. nt  LWolf   Feb-14-11 08:39 PM   #87 
  - Farmers not being able to save seed isn't true  WatsonT   Feb-14-11 08:24 AM   #6 
  - Until they get sued by MonSatan because their crops have been contaminated...  DCKit   Feb-14-11 08:31 AM   #12 
     - Actually I'm guessing I know  WatsonT   Feb-14-11 08:33 AM   #14 
        - Reading from the official manual isn't "knowledge".  DCKit   Feb-14-11 08:48 AM   #20 
           - "Reading from the official manual isn't "knowledge"."  WatsonT   Feb-14-11 11:25 AM   #40 
  - Farmers in industrialized nations haven't saved their own seeds for decades  NickB79   Feb-14-11 01:28 PM   #56 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Feb-14-11 07:08 PM   #83 
     - Hybrid seeds are not the same.  LWolf   Feb-14-11 08:43 PM   #88 
     - My point was that seed-saving is a red herring in the argument against GM crops  NickB79   Feb-15-11 01:34 PM   #111 
        - Yet, open-pollinated crops, and small farms and homesteads  LWolf   Feb-15-11 04:37 PM   #112 
     - Rape seed (canola) farmers were saving their seeds until patented varieties  mistertrickster   Feb-15-11 12:13 PM   #108 
  - Thanks. You've made me feel so much better about GMOs. Can't wait for more.  DCKit   Feb-14-11 08:29 AM   #9 
  - Go cry to people with lactose intollerance  inademv   Feb-14-11 08:30 AM   #10 
  - Que?  marmar   Feb-14-11 08:32 AM   #13 
  - You refuse to be reassured by some anonymous person on the Internet  jeff47   Feb-14-11 09:26 AM   #24 
     - Care to expound on that?  DCKit   Feb-14-11 09:37 AM   #25 
     - You'd have to make your specific anti-GM claim first  jeff47   Feb-14-11 09:40 AM   #26 
        - If the farmer had sacks of Monsanto seed in his barn, then he bought and paid for Monsanto seed.  DCKit   Feb-14-11 09:52 AM   #29 
        - He got it from a neighboring farmer  jeff47   Feb-14-11 10:04 AM   #30 
           - Got it from a neighboring farmer?  laundry_queen   Feb-14-11 11:01 AM   #36 
              - Here's one:  WatsonT   Feb-14-11 12:12 PM   #42 
                 - Ok  laundry_queen   Feb-14-11 06:50 PM   #81 
                    - You asked specifically  WatsonT   Feb-14-11 07:09 PM   #84 
        - Percy Schmeiser  roody   Feb-14-11 11:22 AM   #39 
     - Different expectations  WatsonT   Feb-14-11 07:35 PM   #86 
  - Mexico does not agree.  JohnyCanuck   Feb-14-11 08:30 AM   #11 
  - I didn't know your body was Round Up ready! n/t  WhiteTara   Feb-14-11 10:30 AM   #31 
  - Please become informed before you make such statements  emsimon33   Feb-14-11 10:43 AM   #34 
  - So what is one more person's livelihood ruined?  roody   Feb-14-11 11:17 AM   #37 
  - And you know they are not a danger how???  prairierose   Feb-14-11 11:41 PM   #94 
  - "Golden rice has prevented blindness" . . . yeah, so would a one-a-day vitamin.  mistertrickster   Feb-14-11 08:41 AM   #15 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Feb-14-11 08:52 AM   #21 
  - That isn't about degree of difficulty. That is about priority.  Gregorian   Feb-14-11 09:49 AM   #28 
  - I know right?  WatsonT   Feb-14-11 12:14 PM   #43 
  - Crops are usually genetically modified to produce one or two traits, sometimes a few more. One  BridgeTheGap   Feb-14-11 08:42 AM   #16 
  - +1000 . . . you are what you eat. nt  mistertrickster   Feb-14-11 08:45 AM   #18 
  - "What will effects will those changes have?"  DCKit   Feb-14-11 09:45 AM   #27 
  - Bt toxin is so deadly that . . .  WatsonT   Feb-14-11 12:30 PM   #45 
     - BT toxin ON the food is different than BT toxin IN the food.  DCKit   Feb-14-11 05:05 PM   #70 
        - Apparently not  WatsonT   Feb-14-11 05:56 PM   #72 
           - See post #118 for evidence to the contrary.  appal_jack   Feb-16-11 07:19 PM   #115 
  - Breeding has affected more than a 'few traits'  WatsonT   Feb-14-11 12:19 PM   #44 
     - Tell us what one has to do to splice a gene.  roody   Feb-14-11 12:57 PM   #47 
        - You find a suitable vector  WatsonT   Feb-14-11 01:06 PM   #48 
        - You inject a virus?  roody   Feb-14-11 04:43 PM   #65 
           - No  jeff47   Feb-14-11 04:48 PM   #68 
           - No.  WatsonT   Feb-14-11 05:57 PM   #73 
        - Could you tell us what 'few' traits  WatsonT   Feb-14-11 01:10 PM   #49 
        - In plants, it's typically done by coating a gold nanoparticle with the DNA you want to insert  jeff47   Feb-14-11 04:41 PM   #64 
           - To be fair  WatsonT   Feb-14-11 05:57 PM   #74 
              - I'm not buying it.  roody   Feb-14-11 06:43 PM   #80 
              - Not buying what?  WatsonT   Feb-14-11 07:06 PM   #82 
                 - GMO food, if I can help it.  roody   Feb-14-11 10:14 PM   #90 
                    - Ok, so don't buy it  WatsonT   Feb-14-11 10:19 PM   #91 
                       - The laws I support and the Organic Consumers Association support  roody   Feb-14-11 10:32 PM   #92 
                          - Absolutely  WatsonT   Feb-15-11 09:04 AM   #98 
              - Nothing wrong with your post, I just provided more info (nt)  jeff47   Feb-15-11 07:37 AM   #97 
  - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Feb-14-11 08:44 AM   #17 
  - GM companies don't allow independent research...  Helga Scow Stern   Feb-14-11 10:45 AM   #35 
  - What if we could engineer cows that yield sanitary raw milk?  JVS   Feb-14-11 04:11 PM   #62 
     - That would be rather difficult  jeff47   Feb-14-11 04:45 PM   #66 
     - How about engineering an udder that doesn't permit flow and using some kind of...  JVS   Feb-14-11 04:48 PM   #67 
        - Still doesn't solve the problem  jeff47   Feb-14-11 04:50 PM   #69 
        - Seems a really complicated way  WatsonT   Feb-14-11 05:58 PM   #76 
     - Many heads would explode  WatsonT   Feb-14-11 05:58 PM   #75 
 

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