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napoleon_in_rags Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-11 07:27 PM
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56. Your vision is made clear in that last post.
Your vision for me, lamenting my "failure to kill some other persons dream of a better world". That's what you have painted, you artist. That's what you have written, you writer. Take a look at it.

I have no such dark emotions for you. Go! If you want to build robots, then look at the work of Turing for information processing. The Turing machine (math model) let us get rid of the dependence of hardware configured for a certain function and allowed hardware to create itself, in a sense, as software. Thus the computer revolution. What is needed is a Turing model for robotics, where the form of the robot isn't dictated by the designer, but by the robot itself, just as software can write itself. This will provide the needed flexibility for for the robots to get off the assembly line and accomplish the multi-tasking work humans do.

But people who tell you can do anything if you try are usually blowing sunshine up your ass, remember that. Somebody climbed Mount Everest, but the reason they tried and actually survived was because they understood first and foremost that climbing mount Everest was very, very hard to do. Having the vision and the belief that the mountain can be climbed is really only about 1% of the task, the rest is sherpa guides and ropes and muscle and planning and food logistics and climbing skills and incredible almost super human endurance developed by years of training, and a lot of money to make it all happen.

But do it! Maybe you're the one. But I can promise you that you won't achieve anything by trying to convince me that I lay around lamenting my lack of ability to kill people's dreams...Nothing positive anyway. Its the mountain itself that kills dreams - or makes them come true, but you really won't find that until you go out and try to climb it. And if you do it, come back here and I will KISS your ass. But time spent telling me your dreams is possible is wasted, its the mountain you need to convince.
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  -The future of work txlibdem  Feb-12-11 01:42 AM   #0 
  - I understand that concept.  RandomThoughts   Feb-12-11 01:53 AM   #1 
  - Jobs for Humans Will Become Increasingly Obsolete  LarryNM   Feb-12-11 01:55 AM   #2 
  - Maybe, but I foresee a very painful transition  Hugabear   Feb-12-11 02:06 AM   #5 
     - Yes, Very Interesting Indeed. Good Points. n/t  LarryNM   Feb-12-11 02:34 AM   #8 
     - Do you think that is what Che would say?  txlibdem   Feb-12-11 08:41 AM   #9 
     - society will continue to change, creating different kinds of  tigereye   Feb-12-11 09:16 AM   #11 
        - How so? Can you give a little more explanation...  txlibdem   Feb-12-11 09:36 AM   #14 
           - every time technology has changed, more and different  tigereye   Feb-13-11 02:17 PM   #42 
              - I like your examples  txlibdem   Feb-14-11 09:41 PM   #59 
  - I've daydreamed about this.  napoleon_in_rags   Feb-12-11 01:56 AM   #3 
  - Bob Dylan might disagree with you?  txlibdem   Feb-12-11 09:10 AM   #10 
  - bob dylan was an entertainer  BOG PERSON   Feb-12-11 10:52 AM   #20 
  - What decision process goes into choosing an avatar for DU  txlibdem   Feb-12-11 10:58 AM   #22 
  - All good points, but there's something critical in the human character missing...  napoleon_in_rags   Feb-12-11 02:30 PM   #29 
     - Poor Napoleon... what age did your indoctrination begin?  txlibdem   Feb-13-11 01:59 PM   #40 
     - Sorry, but what I'm talking about is the real world.  napoleon_in_rags   Feb-13-11 05:57 PM   #43 
        - Well, I guess there is no pleeeeeeeeeezing you...  txlibdem   Feb-13-11 08:47 PM   #45 
           - Oh my God! I see the light! Hello unicorn!  napoleon_in_rags   Feb-14-11 12:06 AM   #50 
              - Were you the mentor to the Wright Brothers in another life?  txlibdem   Feb-14-11 12:50 PM   #51 
                 - Your vision is made clear in that last post.  napoleon_in_rags   Feb-14-11 07:27 PM   #56 
                    - Tough love. Now I get it.  txlibdem   Feb-14-11 09:35 PM   #58 
                       - LOL! We shall see. NT  napoleon_in_rags   Feb-16-11 12:09 AM   #60 
     - your ongoing survival depends on someone for whom you look cute and wag your tail  txlibdem   Feb-13-11 02:07 PM   #41 
  - People will always do things they feel are important  Hydra   Feb-12-11 12:59 PM   #27 
     - You're right of course  txlibdem   Feb-14-11 03:53 PM   #55 
  - I'm working right now  Capitalocracy   Feb-12-11 01:59 AM   #4 
  - I can work over vpn and phone conference. There are times when being in the office with cowokers  bluerum   Feb-12-11 02:16 AM   #6 
  - Two words: Virtual Reality and Holograms  txlibdem   Feb-12-11 09:34 AM   #13 
     - Cool. We would save so many resources working from home. But if  bluerum   Feb-12-11 08:23 PM   #33 
  - For the past couple decades I've thought the clamor for "more jobs, more jobs" was the wrong demand.  Matariki   Feb-12-11 02:22 AM   #7 
  - work less, get paid more!  tigereye   Feb-12-11 09:17 AM   #12 
  - Think someone could fix any of that automated stuff from home?  NNN0LHI   Feb-12-11 09:41 AM   #15 
  - Then there's...  txlibdem   Feb-12-11 10:52 AM   #19 
     - Who do you call to fix the robot when it breaks down?  NNN0LHI   Feb-12-11 11:32 AM   #24 
  - And the next day your job is outsourced.  Edweird   Feb-12-11 09:43 AM   #16 
  - One of the Toffler books predicted that  treestar   Feb-12-11 09:45 AM   #17 
  - The naysayers are so predictable  txlibdem   Feb-12-11 10:46 AM   #18 
  - i'm really upset to hear about the remote-control space station robot  BOG PERSON   Feb-12-11 10:54 AM   #21 
  - Don't worry, we'll shoot you out into space real soon  txlibdem   Feb-12-11 10:59 AM   #23 
  - The workforce required to produce goods will continue to drop.  lumberjack_jeff   Feb-12-11 11:44 AM   #25 
  - You've never heard people who build things ask for a way to put them out of a job? Curious...  txlibdem   Feb-13-11 01:28 PM   #38 
  - If that happens,  bvar22   Feb-12-11 12:37 PM   #26 
  - robots will become the proletariat,  BOG PERSON   Feb-12-11 01:25 PM   #28 
  - Who will build the robots?  Doremus   Feb-12-11 02:48 PM   #30 
  - (1) other robots  BOG PERSON   Feb-12-11 03:22 PM   #32 
  - Nit Pickus Maximus -- it is good to see you back in Rome. Hail Cesar!  txlibdem   Feb-13-11 01:40 PM   #39 
  - Eternal vacation would be soul-killing  mainer   Feb-12-11 02:52 PM   #31 
  - They were probably internally empty from birth -- humans have so much potential  txlibdem   Feb-13-11 01:14 PM   #37 
  - I fully expect to be paid for my robot's work.  lunatica   Feb-12-11 08:29 PM   #34 
  - The trajectory of work is less people by "soft" eugenics. nt  PufPuf23   Feb-12-11 08:35 PM   #35 
  - Lavorare meno! Lavorare tutti!  eridani   Feb-12-11 08:44 PM   #36 
  - The service industry is really the only one that remains  jp11   Feb-13-11 06:07 PM   #44 
  - One part of your post caught my attention ...  JoePhilly   Feb-13-11 09:27 PM   #47 
  - Job is Not the Equivalent of Work  LarryNM   Feb-13-11 10:25 PM   #49 
  - I work from home about 90% of the time.  JoePhilly   Feb-13-11 09:17 PM   #46 
  - Great comments Joe! (and I'm jealous of your work situation just a bit)  txlibdem   Feb-14-11 03:40 PM   #54 
  - The future of automation  KillCapitalism   Feb-13-11 09:35 PM   #48 
  - Manna sounds a little bit like the 1920s movie Metropolis  txlibdem   Feb-14-11 01:17 PM   #52 
  - How long until none of us need to go to work?  The2ndWheel   Feb-14-11 01:40 PM   #53 
  - And who will make these robots? Artificial intelligence ain't there yet.  readmoreoften   Feb-14-11 07:48 PM   #57 

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