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112. We already have democratic capitalism and I have watched how well it works
for over 40 years now. We could quibble over how authoritarian the capitalism is (and undoubtedly with the very conservative rule of the past 35 years or so it is noticeably more authoritarian), but I still don't think we're going to be able to "regulate" it. It's a system that thrives on production and profit as an end result. No matter what checks you try to put on it there are going to be work-arounds (from bribery to hidden accounts to bottom line analysis - easier to pay the fine than do the right thing, it goes on and on). I personally have come to the conclusion that it can't be done - the beast is too incorrigible to tame. Just my two cents.
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  -Americans, do you wish somehow our countrymen were able to do what the Egyptians did Duer 157099  Feb-11-11 10:21 AM   #0 
  - How I wish my country would follow the example of these brave Arabs! nt  ProgressiveMuslim   Feb-11-11 10:23 AM   #1 
  - I'd like to see a real revolt on Wall Street, I mean scare the hell out  monmouth   Feb-11-11 04:29 PM   #126 
  - We did on November 4, 2008, or did you forget. . .  wndycty   Feb-11-11 10:23 AM   #2 
  - It is just amazing that people believe we are in the same situation as Egypt. What planet are they  still_one   Feb-11-11 10:27 AM   #11 
     - Hahahah, so we have the choice of corporatist #1 or corporatist #2  Duer 157099   Feb-11-11 10:33 AM   #25 
     - That was my thought.  Skip_In_Boulder   Feb-11-11 10:43 AM   #35 
     - There are more people than corporations, and if they organized and voted it would be different  still_one   Feb-11-11 10:49 AM   #43 
     - No, we don't have a free choice.  originalpckelly   Feb-11-11 10:54 AM   #51 
     - Then don't vote for those candidates, and if your party does not support progressive ideas, then  still_one   Feb-11-11 10:56 AM   #56 
     - Who would they vote for?  sabrina 1   Feb-12-11 05:23 AM   #139 
     - And worse, people feel helpless to bring about change. We want option a non-corporatist option!  ProgressiveMuslim   Feb-11-11 11:03 AM   #76 
        - Then support candidates who have that view, and are progressive. The tea party movement is the  still_one   Feb-11-11 11:12 AM   #87 
           - The teabaggers are organized through rich corporate interests.  JVS   Feb-12-11 05:14 AM   #137 
              - Johnson resigned because of the war, and the dissent within his base. That war would have ended  still_one   Feb-12-11 11:02 AM   #144 
                 - LBJ resigned?  SDuderstadt   Feb-12-11 12:11 PM   #151 
                    - He didn't run for another term, that is what I meant. On that point you are quibbling with my  still_one   Feb-12-11 12:38 PM   #155 
                       - Do you know anything about...  SDuderstadt   Feb-12-11 12:45 PM   #156 
                          - I told you what I meant. Diss me all you want. Have a good day. /nt  still_one   Feb-12-11 12:48 PM   #157 
                             - Maybe writing more clearly would...  SDuderstadt   Feb-12-11 01:05 PM   #160 
     - What planet are they [we] on? The neocon planet.  Raksha   Feb-12-11 12:49 PM   #158 
  - Yes, I wish we could unite against the common enemies that  alsame   Feb-11-11 10:24 AM   #3 
  - It could happen here and now is the time - not to remove the prez...  polichick   Feb-11-11 10:24 AM   #4 
  - Unfortunately the reason it will not happen here  pennylane100   Feb-11-11 10:24 AM   #5 
  - Yes, that certainly is the illusion  Duer 157099   Feb-11-11 10:26 AM   #9 
     - It certainly is a powerful delusion - but one more and more people understand. nt  polichick   Feb-11-11 10:32 AM   #22 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Feb-11-11 10:25 AM   #6 
  - I'd rather a Democrat would have won  Duer 157099   Feb-11-11 10:28 AM   #14 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Feb-11-11 10:30 AM   #18 
     - A Democrat did win  wndycty   Feb-11-11 10:37 AM   #29 
     - Yes.  FredStembottom   Feb-11-11 10:47 AM   #39 
     - As your OP aptly illustrates.  LanternWaste   Feb-11-11 12:25 PM   #107 
  - No of course not  quinnox   Feb-11-11 10:25 AM   #7 
  - That is total B.S. The situation in Egypt doesn't even compare to here. We have elections. Maybe  still_one   Feb-11-11 10:25 AM   #8 
  - Its an insult to the sufferieng of these people to think ours even comes close.  phleshdef   Feb-11-11 10:27 AM   #10 
  - Absolutely. /nt  still_one   Feb-11-11 10:27 AM   #12 
  - Arrogance is the only word to describe this kind of comparison.  Pisces   Feb-11-11 10:29 AM   #15 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Feb-11-11 10:07 PM   #135 
  - Tell that to the homeless and impoverished in this country!  Duer 157099   Feb-11-11 10:29 AM   #17 
  - What an immature, but totally predictable response.  phleshdef   Feb-11-11 10:37 AM   #30 
  - American Exceptionalism is alive and well  Duer 157099   Feb-11-11 10:42 AM   #34 
     - No. I mostly don't embrace silly "isms". I'm just stating the facts of measurable reality.  phleshdef   Feb-11-11 11:15 AM   #88 
  - So there are no differences between our two nations?  WatsonT   Feb-11-11 10:55 AM   #53 
  - that's a hell of a strawman.  dionysus   Feb-11-11 10:58 AM   #64 
  - Your problems might not approach Egypt's... but the urban poor I work with have it  ProgressiveMuslim   Feb-11-11 11:05 AM   #79 
  - Like Demand Wall St Crooks be "Dethroned and Prosecuted"  FreakinDJ   Feb-11-11 10:28 AM   #13 
  - That one might actually fly  Duer 157099   Feb-11-11 10:30 AM   #20 
  - Un-recced. There is no comparison between here and Egypt.  madinmaryland   Feb-11-11 10:29 AM   #16 
  - Sure there is. We don't have "free and fair elections" and our government...  polichick   Feb-11-11 10:30 AM   #19 
     - Thank you. That is my point. It is all illusion.  Duer 157099   Feb-11-11 10:31 AM   #21 
     - I'm with you - it would be thrilling to see an awakening here! nt  polichick   Feb-11-11 10:32 AM   #24 
     - Sloganeering  treestar   Feb-12-11 12:01 PM   #148 
  - We DO have a common enemy - corporations and the wealthy.  HughBeaumont   Feb-11-11 10:32 AM   #23 
  - Of course...nt  KansDem   Feb-11-11 10:34 AM   #26 
  - From a propaganda standpoint it's called divide and conquer.  Lint Head   Feb-11-11 10:34 AM   #27 
  - Yes, that has worked in this country for a long time...  polichick   Feb-11-11 10:48 AM   #41 
  - We have our imperfect elections.  Dappleganger   Feb-11-11 10:36 AM   #28 
  - Comments like this mock the condition of the Egyptian people  lukasahero   Feb-11-11 10:39 AM   #31 
  - Really? Admiring their bravery and resolve mocks them?  Duer 157099   Feb-11-11 10:40 AM   #32 
  - No - comparing the condition of America to that of Egypt does  lukasahero   Feb-11-11 10:51 AM   #45 
     - So when exactly did I make that comparison?  Duer 157099   Feb-11-11 10:57 AM   #57 
  - That's ridiculous - they were inspired by others and we should be inspired by them. nt  polichick   Feb-11-11 10:42 AM   #33 
  - And if we lived in a 3rd world dictatorship, you might have a point  lukasahero   Feb-11-11 10:52 AM   #47 
     - Sorry to burst your bubble of delusion, but we also need fair elections...  polichick   Feb-11-11 10:55 AM   #54 
     - Complacent much? n/t  Duer 157099   Feb-11-11 10:57 AM   #60 
  - "Let the Tunisians have their moment"  Duer 157099   Feb-11-11 10:44 AM   #36 
  - It won't happen the same way but it will happen here  tavalon   Feb-11-11 10:45 AM   #37 
  - It happened on November 4, 2008. . .  wndycty   Feb-11-11 10:49 AM   #42 
     - Yes, and we have found that it wasn't enough - corporations still rule...  polichick   Feb-11-11 10:53 AM   #49 
     - Yeah, we are learning that the trappings don't a democracy make  tavalon   Feb-11-11 07:50 PM   #131 
     - Well, that really hurts  tavalon   Feb-11-11 07:49 PM   #130 
  - Unrec for your negativity - of course it can happen here. nt  TBF   Feb-11-11 10:46 AM   #38 
  - I'd love to feel optimism. Please share your vision.  Duer 157099   Feb-11-11 10:48 AM   #40 
     - Then get enough people to vote out those that you believe are undermining the party or the country  still_one   Feb-11-11 10:54 AM   #52 
     - This has nothing to do with voting - it is people in the streets.  TBF   Feb-11-11 10:58 AM   #63 
        - It has everything to do with voting. We can vote the bums out, the Egyptians couldn't  still_one   Feb-11-11 11:04 AM   #77 
           - If voting changed anything they'd make it illegal - Emma Goldman  TBF   Feb-11-11 11:06 AM   #80 
              - Well if enough people shared your view then it would. /nt  still_one   Feb-11-11 11:16 AM   #89 
     - How soon we forget (dial up warning - lots of photos) ...  TBF   Feb-11-11 10:57 AM   #59 
        - + 300 million  maryf   Feb-12-11 07:39 AM   #143 
  - There are things we can learn from this, and I hope we do.  Waiting For Everyman   Feb-11-11 10:50 AM   #44 
  - It should have happened in 2003 = invasion of Iraq.  LeftinOH   Feb-11-11 10:51 AM   #46 
  - They do on a regular basis  WatsonT   Feb-11-11 10:53 AM   #48 
  - NO, because we don't need to!  Rex   Feb-11-11 10:53 AM   #50 
  - Try again. Corporations put people in to power, even BO. And 3 ppl alone isn't going to do much.  Shagbark Hickory   Feb-11-11 10:56 AM   #55 
  - You know what is disturbing both parties, and the corporations it is the power of people. The civil  still_one   Feb-11-11 11:00 AM   #71 
  - Yes, good example. What has happened since then? We couldn't get people to give up  Shagbark Hickory   Feb-11-11 11:58 AM   #98 
  - We have to vote for whoever makes the most expensive, slickest ads?  treestar   Feb-12-11 11:59 AM   #147 
  - LOL, thanks for the good laugh.  Duer 157099   Feb-11-11 11:00 AM   #70 
     - I've been using the word pathetic a lot.  Rex   Feb-11-11 11:29 AM   #94 
  - o yea of little faith...  blindpig   Feb-11-11 10:57 AM   #58 
  - Obama would never resign.  bigwillq   Feb-11-11 10:58 AM   #61 
  - They said that about Mubarak too.  TBF   Feb-11-11 10:59 AM   #66 
  - He wouldn't have to, as long as he doesn't stand in the way of changes...  polichick   Feb-11-11 10:59 AM   #67 
  - And why should he? We have a democracy and he has done nothing that would require him to  wndycty   Feb-11-11 11:00 AM   #68 
  - It's a joke, dude (nt)  bigwillq   Feb-11-11 11:02 AM   #75 
  - If only he'd resign and let the army take over!  treestar   Feb-12-11 11:57 AM   #146 
  - U answered UR own Question. We could try to fight for certain things...  Shagbark Hickory   Feb-11-11 10:58 AM   #62 
  - The streets or the polling place?  wndycty   Feb-11-11 11:00 AM   #69 
     - The streets. Elections are bought and paid for in the us of a.  Shagbark Hickory   Feb-11-11 11:56 AM   #97 
  - Totally amazed  NoPasaran   Feb-11-11 10:59 AM   #65 
  - Nice try, but that's not what progressives would be marching for. nt  polichick   Feb-11-11 11:01 AM   #73 
  - And the attention of the world  azul   Feb-11-11 11:01 AM   #72 
  - LOL. I posted this yesterday:  Downtown Hound   Feb-11-11 11:02 AM   #74 
  - Who would we overthrow, Obama?  DainBramaged   Feb-11-11 11:04 AM   #78 
  - Voters could make demands - verifiable elections, public financing...  polichick   Feb-11-11 11:07 AM   #81 
  - I believe the goal would be overthrowing capitalism -  TBF   Feb-11-11 11:08 AM   #82 
     - And how do we do that, kill all of the Capitalists?  DainBramaged   Feb-11-11 11:09 AM   #83 
     - How about just reinstituting...  SDuderstadt   Feb-11-11 11:10 AM   #86 
     - That's what I'd be going for . . . because we sure as shit don't have that now.  HughBeaumont   Feb-11-11 11:17 AM   #90 
        - I don't believe a lot of critics of...  SDuderstadt   Feb-11-11 11:20 AM   #92 
           - That's because you are under the mistaken belief that capitalism is a set of organizational...  JVS   Feb-12-11 05:18 AM   #138 
              - WTF? n/t  SDuderstadt   Feb-12-11 12:18 PM   #154 
     - Serious question...  SDuderstadt   Feb-11-11 11:33 AM   #96 
        - Serious question... how do you regulate the capitalism to make it fair? nt  TBF   Feb-11-11 11:58 AM   #99 
           - Study "democratic capitalism" and...  SDuderstadt   Feb-11-11 12:08 PM   #100 
              - By it's nature capitalism does not respond to regulation -  TBF   Feb-11-11 12:14 PM   #101 
                 - Thanks for the non-answer...  SDuderstadt   Feb-11-11 12:18 PM   #104 
                    - We already have democratic capitalism and I have watched how well it works  TBF   Feb-11-11 12:59 PM   #112 
                       - We do not have "democratic capitalism"  SDuderstadt   Feb-11-11 01:02 PM   #114 
                          - You're wrong. Look it up, dude. nt  TBF   Feb-11-11 01:07 PM   #115 
                             - YOU look it up...  SDuderstadt   Feb-11-11 01:10 PM   #116 
  - No, I would prefer for President Obama to complete his term and  Freddie Stubbs   Feb-11-11 11:10 AM   #84 
  - wtf? no. two different countries. duh.... nt  seabeyond   Feb-11-11 11:10 AM   #85 
  - Yes. Will may be the last country to revolt. But the process is starting.  readmoreoften   Feb-11-11 11:19 AM   #91 
  - Damn the Bohemian Grove!  kctim   Feb-11-11 11:21 AM   #93 
  - Don't blame the trees, man.  Duer 157099   Feb-11-11 11:31 AM   #95 
     - Only the blind cannot see that it is  kctim   Feb-11-11 12:16 PM   #103 
  - I wish we had done it back in 2004  librechik   Feb-11-11 12:15 PM   #102 
  - Storm the gates!... er... Damn the torpedoes!... er... Give 'em hell!... er... Down with up!... er..  cherokeeprogressive   Feb-11-11 12:21 PM   #105 
  - Then you'd be really, really depressed to find out what I do  Duer 157099   Feb-11-11 12:23 PM   #106 
  - Oh, please, please tell me...  SDuderstadt   Feb-11-11 12:30 PM   #109 
  - Some kind of Engineer. I'd bet on it. You can design really cool screwdrivers...  cherokeeprogressive   Feb-11-11 01:21 PM   #118 
  - lol!  uponit7771   Feb-11-11 12:26 PM   #108 
  - absolutely not. We have our 2, 4 and 6 year elections...  yawnmaster   Feb-11-11 12:34 PM   #110 
  - Well said...n/t  SDuderstadt   Feb-11-11 12:35 PM   #111 
  - It can and will happen here if we don't get real change. Don't believe the hype.  grahamhgreen   Feb-11-11 01:00 PM   #113 
  - The "hype" is from the members of the far left and the tea party ... each demading  JoePhilly   Feb-11-11 04:15 PM   #121 
     - THE POLLS, the people want, no demand, an end to the wars, taxing the ultra-rich,  grahamhgreen   Feb-11-11 04:27 PM   #125 
        - I'll be wating to see you leading the revolution, which days should I block ...  JoePhilly   Feb-11-11 04:46 PM   #127 
        - We don't need a revolution - just representation.  grahamhgreen   Feb-11-11 07:44 PM   #128 
        - There is only one poll that matters in this country...  badtoworse   Feb-12-11 12:16 PM   #152 
  - We've had an autocratic dictator in power for 30 years?!  Codeine   Feb-11-11 01:15 PM   #117 
  - What did you think the reagangasm last sunday was about?  JVS   Feb-11-11 04:18 PM   #124 
     - Reagan left office when his term expired.  Throd   Feb-11-11 08:32 PM   #132 
        - But Reaganism has lingered. Every president since has been a Reaganite.  immoderate   Feb-11-11 10:12 PM   #136 
  - No, not at all. President Obama was elected in a free and fair election.  Throd   Feb-11-11 02:03 PM   #119 
  - Those bastard Republicans are going to have to think twice if they want to steal it again.  sofa king   Feb-11-11 04:11 PM   #120 
  - Snore.  cottonseed   Feb-11-11 04:17 PM   #122 
  - Egypt has a long way to go, free elections, independent judiciary, free press and  harun   Feb-11-11 04:17 PM   #123 
  - YOU Knocked it right out of the Park  fascisthunter   Feb-11-11 07:46 PM   #129 
  - Use mass protests to get the military to take over the government?  Telly Savalas   Feb-11-11 08:46 PM   #133 
  - Well put!  badtoworse   Feb-12-11 12:08 PM   #150 
  - No - I like Obama in the White House.  hack89   Feb-11-11 09:47 PM   #134 
  - Would this hinder my mom getting her social security checks?  JVS   Feb-12-11 05:26 AM   #140 
  - The only thing hindering Social Security are the two parties who want to bankrupt  TBF   Feb-12-11 06:49 AM   #141 
  - Oh, HELL yes!  Le Taz Hot   Feb-12-11 06:52 AM   #142 
  - We did it in 1776  treestar   Feb-12-11 11:55 AM   #145 
  - No, I unequivocally do not want what happened in Egypt to happen here.  badtoworse   Feb-12-11 12:08 PM   #149 
  - WE DO THIS EVERY FOUR YEARS  Countdown_3_2_1   Feb-12-11 12:16 PM   #153 
  - People do not vote  creon   Feb-12-11 12:52 PM   #159 
 

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