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Fri Feb-11-11 05:20 AM
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| 89. What kind of civilian weaponry is effective against an M1A2 tank? |
| -Our military fired on our citizens before |
boston bean |
Feb-10-11 09:16 PM |
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Didn't they via black water shoot at Katrina victims? |
midnight |
Feb-10-11 09:18 PM |
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Those had no connection to the DoD...they were private hires |
ProgressiveProfessor |
Feb-11-11 12:20 AM |
#84 |
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In a fucking heartbeat. |
lonestarnot |
Feb-10-11 09:18 PM |
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my first thought... |
handmade34 |
Feb-10-11 09:27 PM |
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Some might, but as a whole, no. |
NuclearDem |
Feb-10-11 09:19 PM |
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Ever been in the military? |
Dan |
Feb-10-11 09:38 PM |
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Yes, I have, served in a front-line intel unit in Afghanistan |
NuclearDem |
Feb-10-11 09:42 PM |
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you just got owned. |
Teaser |
Feb-11-11 10:14 AM |
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of course not, |
Dan |
Feb-11-11 09:35 PM |
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A professional force, that has been separated from the population they serve, |
nadinbrzezinski |
Feb-10-11 09:42 PM |
#14 |
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Physically separated, maybe |
NuclearDem |
Feb-10-11 09:45 PM |
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You can't deny it happened in the past...... |
boston bean |
Feb-10-11 09:47 PM |
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I'm not denying it at all |
NuclearDem |
Feb-10-11 09:51 PM |
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I think they would follow orders. |
boston bean |
Feb-10-11 09:53 PM |
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And I believe you are correct, as much as it saddens me |
nadinbrzezinski |
Feb-10-11 09:54 PM |
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I'm afraid I'll have to disagree with you on that |
NuclearDem |
Feb-10-11 09:59 PM |
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what violence was occurring at Kent State? |
boston bean |
Feb-10-11 10:01 PM |
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Or during the Bonus Army March |
nadinbrzezinski |
Feb-10-11 10:07 PM |
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I'll give you that, |
NuclearDem |
Feb-10-11 10:10 PM |
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Escalation |
NuclearDem |
Feb-10-11 10:07 PM |
#41 |
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You realize that rocks were flying |
nadinbrzezinski |
Feb-10-11 10:11 PM |
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Guess I'm just naive and hoping for the best |
NuclearDem |
Feb-10-11 10:14 PM |
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there could still be violence in Egypt... provoked violence |
boston bean |
Feb-10-11 10:18 PM |
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Yep, why I am surprsied, and pleased |
nadinbrzezinski |
Feb-10-11 10:20 PM |
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See, with Egypt, I think the reason there hasn't been violence against the Army |
NuclearDem |
Feb-10-11 10:22 PM |
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You're not saying it would be the rowdy, protesting, rauckus protestors fault, are you? |
boston bean |
Feb-10-11 10:30 PM |
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No, not at all |
NuclearDem |
Feb-10-11 10:34 PM |
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why do you think the relationship is different? i agree it is, but I think we probably have |
boston bean |
Feb-10-11 10:35 PM |
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Well, the main reason I see |
NuclearDem |
Feb-10-11 10:38 PM |
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maybe we're not that far off. |
boston bean |
Feb-10-11 10:42 PM |
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I still think they'd follow orders to keep the peace |
NuclearDem |
Feb-10-11 10:47 PM |
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the furthest it can escalate has already happened here. it is not a common occurrence |
boston bean |
Feb-10-11 10:51 PM |
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Worst case scenario, yes, I agree with you |
NuclearDem |
Feb-10-11 10:52 PM |
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The third Army was ordered to break it up by Mubarak |
nadinbrzezinski |
Feb-10-11 10:39 PM |
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The US military does seem to be split between.......... |
socialist_n_TN |
Feb-11-11 07:39 PM |
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This, exactly this |
NuclearDem |
Feb-11-11 09:41 PM |
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It really depends on the conditions |
nadinbrzezinski |
Feb-10-11 10:18 PM |
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The "conditions" almost universally include a ready-made enemy throwing epithets, rocks & bottles |
nomb |
Feb-11-11 03:06 PM |
#116 |
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False logic |
WatsonT |
Feb-10-11 11:17 PM |
#83 |
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You may want to believe that |
nadinbrzezinski |
Feb-10-11 09:53 PM |
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That makes two of us. |
westerebus |
Feb-10-11 10:29 PM |
#54 |
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You do not think those same divisions exist today and are even |
boston bean |
Feb-10-11 10:31 PM |
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Well, to be fair, the average member of the military was treated a lot worse |
NuclearDem |
Feb-10-11 10:36 PM |
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that has some truth to it. but it's no reason or justification to fire on American citizens on a |
boston bean |
Feb-10-11 10:48 PM |
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No, I don't think so. |
westerebus |
Feb-11-11 08:57 AM |
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In a Republican governor's state, they sure would. n/t |
Waiting For Everyman |
Feb-10-11 09:20 PM |
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6 months ago the California National Guard would have shot people? |
Throd |
Feb-10-11 09:22 PM |
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It isn't something you get advance notice of. |
Waiting For Everyman |
Feb-10-11 09:52 PM |
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Were you full of crap then too? |
Throd |
Feb-10-11 10:14 PM |
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Or the Ludlow Massacre |
Make7 |
Feb-10-11 09:22 PM |
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Yes! n/t |
RKP5637 |
Feb-10-11 09:28 PM |
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There were once tanks and troops on Pennsylvania Ave. |
Canuckistanian |
Feb-10-11 09:29 PM |
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After MLK's shooting, there were too - when all the cities were burning at once. |
Waiting For Everyman |
Feb-10-11 09:56 PM |
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Also during Depression when some workers came on Capital Grounds. |
OHdem10 |
Feb-10-11 09:34 PM |
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so much for the military 'protecting our freedoms' |
KG |
Feb-10-11 09:37 PM |
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Got some bad news |
atreides1 |
Feb-10-11 09:47 PM |
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Oathkeepers say they never will. |
Capitalocracy |
Feb-10-11 09:37 PM |
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They are tools of the conservanazi bu$hit machine. |
TxVietVet |
Feb-10-11 09:58 PM |
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It'd take about 2 seconds for them rationalize it. |
Marr |
Feb-10-11 10:16 PM |
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The Harlan County War |
nadinbrzezinski |
Feb-10-11 09:43 PM |
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MacArthur burning Hooverville might count, too. |
sofa king |
Feb-10-11 09:53 PM |
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And your guns won't help protect you. |
baldguy |
Feb-10-11 09:43 PM |
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dey gots rocket launchers. :) |
lonestarnot |
Feb-10-11 09:49 PM |
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And flamethrowers! |
NuclearDem |
Feb-10-11 09:52 PM |
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I'm not so sure about that. |
sofa king |
Feb-10-11 10:07 PM |
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Actually they would probably work better against the military than the police |
ProgressiveProfessor |
Feb-11-11 12:21 AM |
#85 |
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What kind of civilian weaponry is effective against an M1A2 tank? |
baldguy |
Feb-11-11 05:20 AM |
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A tank not so much.. |
virginia mountainman |
Feb-11-11 09:48 AM |
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The army does not use tanks in an urban disturbance situation (which is what I was considering) |
ProgressiveProfessor |
Feb-11-11 10:13 AM |
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Once you step into the RW fantasy world of an armed uprising in America |
baldguy |
Feb-11-11 06:50 PM |
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I am sure that Detroit was a fantasy.... |
Dan |
Feb-11-11 09:37 PM |
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Yep you had a very fertile imagination |
nadinbrzezinski |
Feb-11-11 10:37 PM |
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Yes, in a heartbeat. |
Dash87 |
Feb-10-11 09:43 PM |
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During Katrina too, IIRC. NT |
Ian David |
Feb-10-11 09:56 PM |
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No during Katrina the Army behaved splendlidly |
nadinbrzezinski |
Feb-10-11 09:57 PM |
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I think you're right. Nt |
Ian David |
Feb-10-11 10:01 PM |
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The abuses our military and "security" forces do in and with other nations |
EFerrari |
Feb-10-11 09:56 PM |
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And during numerous labor strikes. Something we never, ever hear about. |
Puregonzo1188 |
Feb-10-11 09:57 PM |
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Draft riots in Civil War |
AngryAmish |
Feb-11-11 05:39 AM |
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They'd do as they're told. |
Marr |
Feb-10-11 10:12 PM |
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Very few in the military actually 'enjoy' killing |
NuclearDem |
Feb-10-11 10:45 PM |
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and I'm sure they don't enjoy taking orders, but they do both. take orders and kill. nt |
boston bean |
Feb-10-11 10:53 PM |
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Yeah, but my point was rejecting the poster's claim that a large number enjoy killing |
NuclearDem |
Feb-10-11 10:55 PM |
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ok |
boston bean |
Feb-10-11 10:56 PM |
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Oh, bullshit. |
Marr |
Feb-10-11 11:02 PM |
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Like I said, very few |
NuclearDem |
Feb-10-11 11:11 PM |
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Then your disagreement is one of degree, not principle. |
Marr |
Feb-11-11 09:10 AM |
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The good news is that you are quite wrong |
ProgressiveProfessor |
Feb-11-11 12:22 AM |
#86 |
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Do you think American soldiers just genetically differerent from other humans? |
Marr |
Feb-11-11 09:08 AM |
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Have you ever been in the military? |
ProgressiveProfessor |
Feb-11-11 10:25 AM |
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Yes, have you? |
Marr |
Feb-11-11 10:35 AM |
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I have as well |
ProgressiveProfessor |
Feb-11-11 02:19 PM |
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Read about the WW I vetrans, called the Bonus Army, attacked machine guns.. |
Ozymanithrax |
Feb-10-11 10:22 PM |
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MacArthur, Eisenhower, Patton. It was quite a day. Surprised it was only mentioned this far down |
nomb |
Feb-11-11 02:45 PM |
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yes, without any doubt. the question is "when", not "if". |
inna |
Feb-10-11 10:23 PM |
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Some of the comments in this thread are good examples of why |
sufrommich |
Feb-10-11 10:31 PM |
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Facts. it happened before what makes you think it couldn't happen again? |
boston bean |
Feb-10-11 10:32 PM |
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Comments like these aren't "facts": |
sufrommich |
Feb-10-11 10:37 PM |
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there is a point to be made with each of those comments. |
boston bean |
Feb-10-11 10:46 PM |
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Yeah, there might be a little bit of a point |
NuclearDem |
Feb-10-11 10:50 PM |
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The right gets away with that because they own the media. |
EFerrari |
Feb-10-11 10:52 PM |
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If you own the media you can invent facts |
nadinbrzezinski |
Feb-10-11 10:56 PM |
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Oh for God sake. I have not "bought into it". Broadbrush |
sufrommich |
Feb-10-11 10:59 PM |
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Some people in BOTH the RIGHT AND THE LEFT |
nadinbrzezinski |
Feb-10-11 11:08 PM |
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The army today is not the same as National Guard at Kent State |
ProgressiveProfessor |
Feb-11-11 12:28 AM |
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And that has been my point all along |
nadinbrzezinski |
Feb-11-11 10:10 AM |
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I do not think as a "policy" the military would fire on civilians unless the small unit in question |
ProgressiveProfessor |
Feb-11-11 10:19 AM |
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If you are thinking NG units, yes |
nadinbrzezinski |
Feb-11-11 10:24 AM |
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NG training for crowd control etc has be greatly diminished recently |
ProgressiveProfessor |
Feb-11-11 02:21 PM |
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I find it odd that you assume such an opinion means you don't have |
Marr |
Feb-11-11 09:19 AM |
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Let's not forget the 'police riot' |
Ptah |
Feb-10-11 10:46 PM |
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I would be more concerned about a police massacre than an army one |
ProgressiveProfessor |
Feb-11-11 12:31 AM |
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Why? |
Marr |
Feb-11-11 09:37 AM |
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IMO the army indentifies with the civilians much more than cops |
ProgressiveProfessor |
Feb-11-11 10:08 AM |
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Again, I'd suggest you look at some of the social science that's been |
Marr |
Feb-11-11 10:39 AM |
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2002 LA |
nadinbrzezinski |
Feb-11-11 10:39 PM |
#128 |
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Possibly but I think there is enough doubt all around that has been a part of the push |
TheKentuckian |
Feb-11-11 09:20 AM |
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Drone zombies could do it |
Bragi |
Feb-11-11 09:57 AM |
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On about a hundred occasions. Most significantly, 1877 to break the railway strikes. |
JackRiddler |
Feb-11-11 10:11 AM |
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Anything in the last 30 years |
ProgressiveProfessor |
Feb-11-11 02:23 PM |
#112 |
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At a minimum - while participants can still bear witness first hand. Kent State qualifies. |
nomb |
Feb-11-11 02:53 PM |
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Our social memory? I'm afraid in recent decades it's been replaced with a cultural simulation. |
JackRiddler |
Feb-11-11 02:57 PM |
#115 |
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So true, so true |
nadinbrzezinski |
Feb-11-11 10:15 PM |
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The Rodney King Riots |
nadinbrzezinski |
Feb-11-11 10:01 PM |
#124 |
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Oh and while they did not fire |
nadinbrzezinski |
Feb-11-11 10:38 PM |
#127 |
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Read this |
RegieRocker |
Feb-11-11 10:23 AM |
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If they'd shoot US students, they will shoot anyone. Just one of many reasons I hate the military. |
L0oniX |
Feb-11-11 07:00 PM |
#118 |
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Who would authorize it? Obama? n/t |
cherokeeprogressive |
Feb-11-11 07:39 PM |
#120 |
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