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37. I think you're right. Nt
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  -Our military fired on our citizens before boston bean  Feb-10-11 09:16 PM   #0 
  - Didn't they via black water shoot at Katrina victims?  midnight   Feb-10-11 09:18 PM   #1 
  - Those had no connection to the DoD...they were private hires  ProgressiveProfessor   Feb-11-11 12:20 AM   #84 
  - In a fucking heartbeat.  lonestarnot   Feb-10-11 09:18 PM   #2 
  - my first thought...  handmade34   Feb-10-11 09:27 PM   #7 
  - Some might, but as a whole, no.  NuclearDem   Feb-10-11 09:19 PM   #3 
  - Ever been in the military?  Dan   Feb-10-11 09:38 PM   #13 
  - Yes, I have, served in a front-line intel unit in Afghanistan  NuclearDem   Feb-10-11 09:42 PM   #15 
  - you just got owned.  Teaser   Feb-11-11 10:14 AM   #103 
     - of course not,  Dan   Feb-11-11 09:35 PM   #121 
  - A professional force, that has been separated from the population they serve,  nadinbrzezinski   Feb-10-11 09:42 PM   #14 
     - Physically separated, maybe  NuclearDem   Feb-10-11 09:45 PM   #19 
        - You can't deny it happened in the past......  boston bean   Feb-10-11 09:47 PM   #20 
        - I'm not denying it at all  NuclearDem   Feb-10-11 09:51 PM   #23 
        - I think they would follow orders.  boston bean   Feb-10-11 09:53 PM   #26 
           - And I believe you are correct, as much as it saddens me  nadinbrzezinski   Feb-10-11 09:54 PM   #29 
           - I'm afraid I'll have to disagree with you on that  NuclearDem   Feb-10-11 09:59 PM   #36 
              - what violence was occurring at Kent State?  boston bean   Feb-10-11 10:01 PM   #38 
                 - Or during the Bonus Army March  nadinbrzezinski   Feb-10-11 10:07 PM   #40 
                 - I'll give you that,  NuclearDem   Feb-10-11 10:10 PM   #42 
                 - Escalation  NuclearDem   Feb-10-11 10:07 PM   #41 
                    - You realize that rocks were flying  nadinbrzezinski   Feb-10-11 10:11 PM   #43 
                       - Guess I'm just naive and hoping for the best  NuclearDem   Feb-10-11 10:14 PM   #46 
                          - there could still be violence in Egypt... provoked violence  boston bean   Feb-10-11 10:18 PM   #48 
                          - Yep, why I am surprsied, and pleased  nadinbrzezinski   Feb-10-11 10:20 PM   #50 
                          - See, with Egypt, I think the reason there hasn't been violence against the Army  NuclearDem   Feb-10-11 10:22 PM   #51 
                             - You're not saying it would be the rowdy, protesting, rauckus protestors fault, are you?  boston bean   Feb-10-11 10:30 PM   #55 
                                - No, not at all  NuclearDem   Feb-10-11 10:34 PM   #59 
                                   - why do you think the relationship is different? i agree it is, but I think we probably have  boston bean   Feb-10-11 10:35 PM   #60 
                                   - Well, the main reason I see  NuclearDem   Feb-10-11 10:38 PM   #63 
                                      - maybe we're not that far off.  boston bean   Feb-10-11 10:42 PM   #65 
                                         - I still think they'd follow orders to keep the peace  NuclearDem   Feb-10-11 10:47 PM   #69 
                                         - the furthest it can escalate has already happened here. it is not a common occurrence  boston bean   Feb-10-11 10:51 PM   #72 
                                         - Worst case scenario, yes, I agree with you  NuclearDem   Feb-10-11 10:52 PM   #74 
                                   - The third Army was ordered to break it up by Mubarak  nadinbrzezinski   Feb-10-11 10:39 PM   #64 
                                      - The US military does seem to be split between..........  socialist_n_TN   Feb-11-11 07:39 PM   #119 
                                         - This, exactly this  NuclearDem   Feb-11-11 09:41 PM   #123 
                          - It really depends on the conditions  nadinbrzezinski   Feb-10-11 10:18 PM   #49 
                             - The "conditions" almost universally include a ready-made enemy throwing epithets, rocks & bottles  nomb   Feb-11-11 03:06 PM   #116 
        - False logic  WatsonT   Feb-10-11 11:17 PM   #83 
        - You may want to believe that  nadinbrzezinski   Feb-10-11 09:53 PM   #28 
        - That makes two of us.  westerebus   Feb-10-11 10:29 PM   #54 
           - You do not think those same divisions exist today and are even  boston bean   Feb-10-11 10:31 PM   #57 
              - Well, to be fair, the average member of the military was treated a lot worse  NuclearDem   Feb-10-11 10:36 PM   #61 
              - that has some truth to it. but it's no reason or justification to fire on American citizens on a  boston bean   Feb-10-11 10:48 PM   #70 
              - No, I don't think so.  westerebus   Feb-11-11 08:57 AM   #91 
  - In a Republican governor's state, they sure would. n/t  Waiting For Everyman   Feb-10-11 09:20 PM   #4 
  - 6 months ago the California National Guard would have shot people?  Throd   Feb-10-11 09:22 PM   #5 
     - It isn't something you get advance notice of.  Waiting For Everyman   Feb-10-11 09:52 PM   #25 
        - Were you full of crap then too?  Throd   Feb-10-11 10:14 PM   #45 
  - Or the Ludlow Massacre  Make7   Feb-10-11 09:22 PM   #6 
  - Yes! n/t  RKP5637   Feb-10-11 09:28 PM   #8 
  - There were once tanks and troops on Pennsylvania Ave.  Canuckistanian   Feb-10-11 09:29 PM   #9 
  - After MLK's shooting, there were too - when all the cities were burning at once.  Waiting For Everyman   Feb-10-11 09:56 PM   #31 
  - Also during Depression when some workers came on Capital Grounds.  OHdem10   Feb-10-11 09:34 PM   #10 
  - so much for the military 'protecting our freedoms'  KG   Feb-10-11 09:37 PM   #11 
  - Got some bad news  atreides1   Feb-10-11 09:47 PM   #21 
  - Oathkeepers say they never will.  Capitalocracy   Feb-10-11 09:37 PM   #12 
  - They are tools of the conservanazi bu$hit machine.  TxVietVet   Feb-10-11 09:58 PM   #35 
  - It'd take about 2 seconds for them rationalize it.  Marr   Feb-10-11 10:16 PM   #47 
  - The Harlan County War  nadinbrzezinski   Feb-10-11 09:43 PM   #16 
  - MacArthur burning Hooverville might count, too.  sofa king   Feb-10-11 09:53 PM   #27 
  - And your guns won't help protect you.  baldguy   Feb-10-11 09:43 PM   #17 
  - dey gots rocket launchers. :)  lonestarnot   Feb-10-11 09:49 PM   #22 
  - And flamethrowers!  NuclearDem   Feb-10-11 09:52 PM   #24 
  - I'm not so sure about that.  sofa king   Feb-10-11 10:07 PM   #39 
  - Actually they would probably work better against the military than the police  ProgressiveProfessor   Feb-11-11 12:21 AM   #85 
     - What kind of civilian weaponry is effective against an M1A2 tank?  baldguy   Feb-11-11 05:20 AM   #89 
        - A tank not so much..  virginia mountainman   Feb-11-11 09:48 AM   #97 
        - The army does not use tanks in an urban disturbance situation (which is what I was considering)  ProgressiveProfessor   Feb-11-11 10:13 AM   #102 
           - Once you step into the RW fantasy world of an armed uprising in America  baldguy   Feb-11-11 06:50 PM   #117 
           - I am sure that Detroit was a fantasy....  Dan   Feb-11-11 09:37 PM   #122 
              - Yep you had a very fertile imagination  nadinbrzezinski   Feb-11-11 10:37 PM   #126 
  - Yes, in a heartbeat.  Dash87   Feb-10-11 09:43 PM   #18 
  - During Katrina too, IIRC. NT  Ian David   Feb-10-11 09:56 PM   #30 
  - No during Katrina the Army behaved splendlidly  nadinbrzezinski   Feb-10-11 09:57 PM   #33 
     - I think you're right. Nt  Ian David   Feb-10-11 10:01 PM   #37 
  - The abuses our military and "security" forces do in and with other nations  EFerrari   Feb-10-11 09:56 PM   #32 
  - And during numerous labor strikes. Something we never, ever hear about.  Puregonzo1188   Feb-10-11 09:57 PM   #34 
  - Draft riots in Civil War  AngryAmish   Feb-11-11 05:39 AM   #90 
  - They'd do as they're told.  Marr   Feb-10-11 10:12 PM   #44 
  - Very few in the military actually 'enjoy' killing  NuclearDem   Feb-10-11 10:45 PM   #66 
  - and I'm sure they don't enjoy taking orders, but they do both. take orders and kill. nt  boston bean   Feb-10-11 10:53 PM   #75 
  - Yeah, but my point was rejecting the poster's claim that a large number enjoy killing  NuclearDem   Feb-10-11 10:55 PM   #76 
     - ok  boston bean   Feb-10-11 10:56 PM   #77 
  - Oh, bullshit.  Marr   Feb-10-11 11:02 PM   #80 
     - Like I said, very few  NuclearDem   Feb-10-11 11:11 PM   #82 
        - Then your disagreement is one of degree, not principle.  Marr   Feb-11-11 09:10 AM   #93 
  - The good news is that you are quite wrong  ProgressiveProfessor   Feb-11-11 12:22 AM   #86 
     - Do you think American soldiers just genetically differerent from other humans?  Marr   Feb-11-11 09:08 AM   #92 
        - Have you ever been in the military?  ProgressiveProfessor   Feb-11-11 10:25 AM   #107 
           - Yes, have you?  Marr   Feb-11-11 10:35 AM   #108 
              - I have as well  ProgressiveProfessor   Feb-11-11 02:19 PM   #110 
  - Read about the WW I vetrans, called the Bonus Army, attacked machine guns..  Ozymanithrax   Feb-10-11 10:22 PM   #52 
  - MacArthur, Eisenhower, Patton. It was quite a day. Surprised it was only mentioned this far down  nomb   Feb-11-11 02:45 PM   #113 
  - yes, without any doubt. the question is "when", not "if".  inna   Feb-10-11 10:23 PM   #53 
  - Some of the comments in this thread are good examples of why  sufrommich   Feb-10-11 10:31 PM   #56 
  - Facts. it happened before what makes you think it couldn't happen again?  boston bean   Feb-10-11 10:32 PM   #58 
  - Comments like these aren't "facts":  sufrommich   Feb-10-11 10:37 PM   #62 
     - there is a point to be made with each of those comments.  boston bean   Feb-10-11 10:46 PM   #68 
        - Yeah, there might be a little bit of a point  NuclearDem   Feb-10-11 10:50 PM   #71 
  - The right gets away with that because they own the media.  EFerrari   Feb-10-11 10:52 PM   #73 
  - If you own the media you can invent facts  nadinbrzezinski   Feb-10-11 10:56 PM   #78 
  - Oh for God sake. I have not "bought into it". Broadbrush  sufrommich   Feb-10-11 10:59 PM   #79 
     - Some people in BOTH the RIGHT AND THE LEFT  nadinbrzezinski   Feb-10-11 11:08 PM   #81 
        - The army today is not the same as National Guard at Kent State  ProgressiveProfessor   Feb-11-11 12:28 AM   #87 
           - And that has been my point all along  nadinbrzezinski   Feb-11-11 10:10 AM   #100 
              - I do not think as a "policy" the military would fire on civilians unless the small unit in question  ProgressiveProfessor   Feb-11-11 10:19 AM   #104 
                 - If you are thinking NG units, yes  nadinbrzezinski   Feb-11-11 10:24 AM   #106 
                    - NG training for crowd control etc has be greatly diminished recently  ProgressiveProfessor   Feb-11-11 02:21 PM   #111 
  - I find it odd that you assume such an opinion means you don't have  Marr   Feb-11-11 09:19 AM   #94 
  - Let's not forget the 'police riot'  Ptah   Feb-10-11 10:46 PM   #67 
  - I would be more concerned about a police massacre than an army one  ProgressiveProfessor   Feb-11-11 12:31 AM   #88 
     - Why?  Marr   Feb-11-11 09:37 AM   #96 
        - IMO the army indentifies with the civilians much more than cops  ProgressiveProfessor   Feb-11-11 10:08 AM   #99 
           - Again, I'd suggest you look at some of the social science that's been  Marr   Feb-11-11 10:39 AM   #109 
           - 2002 LA  nadinbrzezinski   Feb-11-11 10:39 PM   #128 
  - Possibly but I think there is enough doubt all around that has been a part of the push  TheKentuckian   Feb-11-11 09:20 AM   #95 
  - Drone zombies could do it  Bragi   Feb-11-11 09:57 AM   #98 
  - On about a hundred occasions. Most significantly, 1877 to break the railway strikes.  JackRiddler   Feb-11-11 10:11 AM   #101 
  - Anything in the last 30 years  ProgressiveProfessor   Feb-11-11 02:23 PM   #112 
     - At a minimum - while participants can still bear witness first hand. Kent State qualifies.  nomb   Feb-11-11 02:53 PM   #114 
     - Our social memory? I'm afraid in recent decades it's been replaced with a cultural simulation.  JackRiddler   Feb-11-11 02:57 PM   #115 
     - So true, so true  nadinbrzezinski   Feb-11-11 10:15 PM   #125 
     - The Rodney King Riots  nadinbrzezinski   Feb-11-11 10:01 PM   #124 
        - Oh and while they did not fire  nadinbrzezinski   Feb-11-11 10:38 PM   #127 
  - Read this  RegieRocker   Feb-11-11 10:23 AM   #105 
  - If they'd shoot US students, they will shoot anyone. Just one of many reasons I hate the military.  L0oniX   Feb-11-11 07:00 PM   #118 
  - Who would authorize it? Obama? n/t  cherokeeprogressive   Feb-11-11 07:39 PM   #120 

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