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dixiegrrrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-10 09:31 AM
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48. I DO hear what you are saying.
I think the confusion lies in the difference between formal and informal use of the name of the
President.
As others have pointed out, the "real" news style book says it is correct to say
"President Obama" at first usage, then one can correctly, formally, use his last name, even saying Mr. Obama in some contexts.
If you were to go back thru newspaper archives, it might be interesting to see how President
Roosevelt and others before him were written about.
I am old enough to remember President Eisenhower. I think, but am not positive, he was often referred to in print as The President, since President Eisenhower was a mouthful.
but when people talked about him informally, he was almost always "Ike", and "Ike" was used extensively in his campaign slogan.
Truman was often used informally, while President Kennedy was JFK, and sometimes just
Kennedy. After that I remember it being coming to use last names of the Presidents in informal
discussions.
except I called Bush 2 "shrub" plus a lot of other names.

Therefore, when here on DU, or informally, Obama is used, it is the tone more than the lack of Presidential prefix that tells me if his rank is being disrespected.
"Obamacare" I always correct when I hear it.

All of that said, of course your right to express your feelings and opinion should be respected on DU, even if some do not agree with your point, or if you do not agree with how others see your point.

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  -I have a problem with people referring to our President as Obama Mortos  Dec-19-10 08:14 AM   #0 
  - whatever  lame54   Dec-19-10 08:16 AM   #1 
  - So it was always President Bush to you?  stray cat   Dec-19-10 08:17 AM   #2 
  - No, it wasn't President Bush. It was just Bush  Mortos   Dec-19-10 08:21 AM   #9 
  - so the Senators have earned your respect . . . . interesting  DrDan   Dec-19-10 08:27 AM   #12 
  - Did I say that?  Mortos   Dec-19-10 08:29 AM   #15 
     - yeah - I would say so  DrDan   Dec-19-10 09:29 AM   #46 
  - So it is not about the office, but the individual  nadinbrzezinski   Dec-20-10 08:03 PM   #114 
  - This doesn't look quite right. "...Secretary of Defense Clinton...?" nt  Obamanaut   Dec-20-10 06:22 PM   #107 
  - How did you refer to George the Stupid?  hobbit709   Dec-19-10 08:17 AM   #3 
  - President Chuckle-nuts. . . .  B Calm   Dec-19-10 10:28 AM   #55 
     - Der Chimpenfuehrer...  Donnachaidh   Dec-19-10 11:24 AM   #66 
  - Unrec for not being GD material.  JVS   Dec-19-10 08:18 AM   #4 
  - What, pray tell, is appropriate material for general discussion  Mortos   Dec-19-10 08:29 AM   #14 
  - Remember when  AsahinaKimi   Dec-19-10 08:18 AM   #5 
  - oh please  RainDog   Dec-19-10 08:18 AM   #6 
  - Sheesh  Gaedel   Dec-19-10 08:19 AM   #7 
  - I must disagree with Poster Mortos.  rug   Dec-19-10 08:19 AM   #8 
  - Me, too. I cannot recall a US President  LibDemAlways   Dec-19-10 04:17 PM   #100 
  - just curious - how did you refer to the last President?  DrDan   Dec-19-10 08:22 AM   #10 
  - It doesnt bother me when they call him Obama, but for some reason  kalli007   Dec-19-10 08:23 AM   #11 
  - Don't get me started on that no talent ignoramus  Mortos   Dec-19-10 08:52 AM   #27 
  - The say "gov" because she was half a Governor.  dixiegrrrrl   Dec-19-10 09:14 AM   #38 
  - Actually I believe there is a kind of journalistic convention for this  tularetom   Dec-19-10 08:27 AM   #13 
  - This is a ridiculous non-issue.  TroglodyteScholar   Dec-19-10 08:34 AM   #16 
  - What the fuck does that mean?  Mortos   Dec-19-10 08:36 AM   #18 
     - It's not really an issue, and it's ridiculous. Refer to post 44. nt  Obamanaut   Dec-19-10 09:24 AM   #45 
  - I don't have a problem with it.  Autumn   Dec-19-10 08:34 AM   #17 
  - So?  demwing   Dec-19-10 08:37 AM   #19 
  - Obama is easier to type. Everybody knows he is the president N/T  Travis_0004   Dec-19-10 08:37 AM   #20 
  - I agree and I'll try to make more of an effort to call him "President Obama"  cbdo2007   Dec-19-10 08:42 AM   #21 
  - Thank you for the being the only person  Mortos   Dec-19-10 08:58 AM   #28 
     - and your co-workers probably don't listen to what you have to say after that  RainDog   Dec-19-10 09:00 AM   #30 
     - I disagree with you  Mortos   Dec-19-10 09:06 AM   #36 
        - you certainly have a right to your opinion  RainDog   Dec-19-10 09:20 AM   #41 
     - I always call him President Obama, unless I am referring to him before his presidency. nt  ZombieHorde   Dec-19-10 12:33 PM   #81 
  - Well Bubba the Big Dawg might not agree with you  Bluenorthwest   Dec-19-10 08:42 AM   #22 
  - I never once showed any respect for bush the lesser, saint ronnie  madokie   Dec-19-10 08:43 AM   #23 
  - If you get upset about something like this, then I'd  Exilednight   Dec-19-10 08:44 AM   #24 
  - I actually take it back  Mortos   Dec-19-10 09:14 AM   #40 
  - unrec  xchrom   Dec-19-10 08:46 AM   #25 
  - I don't have any problem with that. What does bother me is when  doc03   Dec-19-10 08:52 AM   #26 
  - Ok. We'll all refer to the President as Bush, since he's apparently still in charge.  leveymg   Dec-19-10 08:58 AM   #29 
  - If he'll stop helping out the right by enacting their policies, I'll stop helping out the right by  Karmadillo   Dec-19-10 09:01 AM   #31 
  - +++++++ 10000  Kalun D   Dec-19-10 01:39 PM   #93 
  - In my memory, this has been going on with every President since Eisenhower.  enough   Dec-19-10 09:02 AM   #32 
  - My grandfather told me that back in the '40s, a lot of Truman detractors  Art_from_Ark   Dec-20-10 10:29 PM   #118 
  - Obama is his name. If I were a news anchor or published  tekisui   Dec-19-10 09:02 AM   #33 
  - It was Nixon, Clinton, Ford, Reagan, Bush, whatever -- and now Obama ...  defendandprotect   Dec-19-10 09:05 AM   #34 
  - I am concerned about lots of things but not this  proud2BlibKansan   Dec-19-10 09:05 AM   #35 
  - I never use anyone's title, especially our public servants. most of the time, I use their first  niyad   Dec-19-10 09:13 AM   #37 
  - John Adams lost the same fight 200+ years ago.  Democracyinkind   Dec-19-10 09:14 AM   #39 
  - That's absurd. People on discussion boards are not writing dissertations...  truth2power   Dec-19-10 09:21 AM   #42 
  - maybe you've been listening to too much limbaugh and hannity  nashville_brook   Dec-19-10 09:23 AM   #43 
  - There has been posted more than once a blurb from CBS News, IIRC,  Obamanaut   Dec-19-10 09:23 AM   #44 
  - Did you complain about Bush being referred to simply as Bush?  area51   Dec-19-10 09:30 AM   #47 
  - Or the Chimp?  Yupster   Dec-20-10 06:42 PM   #110 
  - I DO hear what you are saying.  dixiegrrrrl   Dec-19-10 09:31 AM   #48 
  - Every President in my lifetime has been referred to by their  rzemanfl   Dec-19-10 09:57 AM   #49 
  - You mean like when people say "with Obama's help"  Nye Bevan   Dec-19-10 10:05 AM   #50 
  - I did it to Bush  treestar   Dec-19-10 10:18 AM   #51 
  - Looking for things to be outraged about hmm?  MadHound   Dec-19-10 10:20 AM   #52 
  - I don't like the tone of your use of 'President'  Warren Stupidity   Dec-19-10 10:20 AM   #53 
  - An emphatic unrec  quinnox   Dec-19-10 10:23 AM   #54 
  - Jesus, loosen up a bit, will you?  COLGATE4   Dec-19-10 10:29 AM   #56 
  - How dare you...  pipi_k   Dec-20-10 11:05 AM   #105 
  - Obama is doing a great job.  Life Long Dem   Dec-19-10 10:35 AM   #57 
  - AP style doesn't require reporters call him President Obama.  Kalyke   Dec-19-10 10:38 AM   #58 
  - I would say news outlets aren't following the stylebook anymore  bettyellen   Dec-19-10 11:30 AM   #67 
  - Whoops, didn't see yours  Yo_Mama   Dec-19-10 11:35 AM   #69 
  - I'm sure Obama is cool with it.  Stuckinthebush   Dec-19-10 10:48 AM   #59 
  - I have a problem with semantics that don't clarify intended meaning. n/t  rucky   Dec-19-10 10:50 AM   #60 
  - At least call him Mr. Obama .... They did that for shrub.  divvy   Dec-19-10 10:53 AM   #61 
  - I only call President to those who act like a President for working folks....  Xicano   Dec-19-10 11:02 AM   #62 
  - Why? That's his name.  TransitJohn   Dec-19-10 11:09 AM   #63 
  - I suggest you get a pet  Dreamer Tatum   Dec-19-10 11:13 AM   #64 
  - I regularly use "Clinton" to refer to our past Presiedent and I  juajen   Dec-19-10 11:21 AM   #65 
  - This is standard for all presidents  Yo_Mama   Dec-19-10 11:34 AM   #68 
  - No thanks.  MilesColtrane   Dec-19-10 11:37 AM   #70 
  - !  KG   Dec-19-10 11:40 AM   #71 
  - The collective eye-roll continues  pintobean   Dec-19-10 11:40 AM   #72 
  - respect?  ldf   Dec-19-10 11:48 AM   #73 
  - I will refer to him as whatever i want. Sorry if that displeases you.  krabigirl   Dec-19-10 11:48 AM   #74 
  - There's some validity to that.  InvisibleTouch   Dec-19-10 11:51 AM   #75 
  - I think you're right that many on the right...  one_voice   Dec-19-10 11:54 AM   #76 
  - I respectfully disagree with Poster Mortos  noamnety   Dec-19-10 11:57 AM   #77 
  - Obama, there I said it and the world didn't stop rotating.  Rex   Dec-19-10 11:59 AM   #78 
  - Dropping the honorific is not "used exclusively by the right wing media." It's common parlance  DirkGently   Dec-19-10 12:08 PM   #79 
  - he should address his grievance to the AP Stylebook  nashville_brook   Dec-19-10 12:13 PM   #80 
  - Titles are as meaningless as a fake Kentucky colonel  Generic Other   Dec-19-10 12:57 PM   #82 
  - Hey, I'm a KY Colonel, for realz!  mentalsolstice   Dec-19-10 01:40 PM   #94 
  - Just for laughs:  noamnety   Dec-19-10 01:03 PM   #83 
  - Sucks to be you then, huh?  Edweird   Dec-19-10 01:11 PM   #84 
  - Did you have a problem with me referring to President Bush as  LWolf   Dec-19-10 01:21 PM   #85 
  - I have a problem referring to right-wing conservatives ...  kentuck   Dec-19-10 01:22 PM   #86 
  - Tough...  WillyT   Dec-19-10 01:23 PM   #87 
  - Lighten up, Francis. n/t  cherokeeprogressive   Dec-19-10 01:24 PM   #88 
  - If that is what you have to worry about, you are better off than most people.  old mark   Dec-19-10 01:25 PM   #89 
  - Someone needs to step away from the keyboard  Stevenmarc   Dec-19-10 01:32 PM   #90 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Dec-19-10 01:33 PM   #91 
  - Unrec for being flame bait intended to insult other posters and provoke them.  TexasObserver   Dec-19-10 01:38 PM   #92 
  - They called Bush Mr. Bush or Bush. I see nothing wrong with calling Obama his name too.  applegrove   Dec-19-10 04:04 PM   #95 
  - You are reading too much into it.......  KansasVoter   Dec-19-10 04:06 PM   #96 
  - You'll live.  Morning Dew   Dec-19-10 04:08 PM   #97 
  - So there is a conspiracy to diminish Obama..  walldude   Dec-19-10 04:10 PM   #98 
  - ridiculous  inna   Dec-19-10 04:11 PM   #99 
  - We regularly call the last Democratic President "Bubba"  Recursion   Dec-19-10 04:19 PM   #101 
  - Okay, whatever you say.  AngryOldDem   Dec-19-10 04:28 PM   #102 
  - The dude works for me --  Hell Hath No Fury   Dec-20-10 10:50 AM   #103 
  - Yeah right.  mmonk   Dec-20-10 10:55 AM   #104 
  - I usually call the president by last name  bigwillq   Dec-20-10 11:08 AM   #106 
  - lighten up  lefty2000   Dec-20-10 06:27 PM   #108 
  - Kennedy & Johnson were usually referred to as "JFK or LBJ"  SoCalDem   Dec-20-10 06:40 PM   #109 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Dec-20-10 07:43 PM   #111 
  - Oh Jesus! I should be so lucky that this was  Raine   Dec-20-10 07:54 PM   #112 
  - I connected 2 people to a food bank today. I don't give a shit about the titles of rich men. nt  ProgressIn2008   Dec-20-10 07:59 PM   #113 
  - I like calling him Obama because it rolls off of the tongue so easily. Not like when I called Bush a  Major Hogwash   Dec-20-10 08:04 PM   #115 
  - I had a problem referring to Bush as president also...  Imagevision   Dec-20-10 08:06 PM   #116 
  - Pretty ridiculous - Presidents have been called by their last names in  Midwestern Democrat   Dec-20-10 08:41 PM   #117 
  - You have too much time on your hands if this worries you.  HEyHEY   Dec-20-10 10:30 PM   #119 
  - If he's in the room I'll call him Mr. President.  Dappleganger   Dec-23-10 07:05 PM   #120 
  - Easier to type. I use "Bush", also, FWIW.  WinkyDink   Dec-23-10 07:12 PM   #121 
 

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