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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-11 11:56 PM
Response to Reply #143
147. I think there are people here who think any display of nudity or eroticism is inherently oppressive.
What would be preferable to pearl clutching- "finger wagging"?

There's a difference between not personally liking something, even thinking it "sucks"... and being offended by it to the extent of wanting to argue it out of existence. Mind you, there IS a small, dedicated pro-censorship contingent here, not to say that you're part of it.

I simply don't agree that portrayals of women in lingerie in a sexual context = "sexism". But I agree, they could have put some men in there, made it more inclusive. :shrug:
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  -Peta Ad That Was Banned From Superbowl lame54  Feb-10-11 11:59 AM   #0 
  - to sell veggies all they use is sex sex sex. well i think it's a little weird to see  boston bean   Feb-10-11 12:03 PM   #1 
  - I find it ironic and disturbing that they rely so much on objectifying women  XemaSab   Feb-10-11 12:09 PM   #4 
  - I know.  EyeofRamen   Feb-10-11 12:25 PM   #7 
  - And I'm still not seeing frat boy type men going vegan en masse.  Hello_Kitty   Feb-10-11 12:27 PM   #10 
  - had girls in lingerie, on a bed, on a corner street downtown amarillo. in feb. result?  seabeyond   Feb-10-11 12:30 PM   #12 
  - And cold, I'll bet.  EyeofRamen   Feb-10-11 12:47 PM   #19 
  - If I have to choose between meat and sex, meat is going to lose.  Warren DeMontague   Feb-10-11 01:08 PM   #25 
     - What does that have to do with what I posted?  Hello_Kitty   Feb-10-11 01:11 PM   #29 
        - Whatever you say.  Warren DeMontague   Feb-10-11 01:13 PM   #32 
        - All PETA models have sex with me in my dreams  CLANG   Feb-10-11 02:59 PM   #60 
           - Right on!  superduperfarleft   Feb-10-11 03:02 PM   #61 
              - I disavow your use of the term "dumb broads".  CLANG   Feb-10-11 03:03 PM   #62 
                 - The creepiest Super Bowl Ad ever.....................  Mojeoux   Feb-10-11 08:11 PM   #89 
                    - Short memory...???  CanSocDem   Feb-11-11 05:12 PM   #133 
                       - accidently my ass.... lol. oh my.... , lol. nt  seabeyond   Feb-11-11 05:22 PM   #134 
                       - Um, CanSocDem, the creepiest S.B. ad ever, was the same year as the "malfunction."  Mojeoux   Feb-11-11 06:13 PM   #137 
  - that's what I meant, but you put it much better....thank you..  boston bean   Feb-10-11 12:32 PM   #13 
  - Personally, I find women in lingerie less offensive than comparing chickens to jews in the holocaust  Warren DeMontague   Feb-10-11 12:50 PM   #21 
     - Have you given up meat because of them?  Hello_Kitty   Feb-10-11 01:13 PM   #31 
     - No. But I also have not progressed in my enlightenment to the point of getting outraged  Warren DeMontague   Feb-10-11 01:14 PM   #33 
        - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Feb-10-11 01:20 PM   #38 
        - So do you like to watch women in lingerie almost fucking cabbages and carrots? nt  boston bean   Feb-10-11 04:42 PM   #78 
           - No, absolutely not.  Warren DeMontague   Feb-10-11 07:52 PM   #82 
              - good, so you now understand how you failed to get the point.  boston bean   Feb-10-11 09:07 PM   #94 
              - Right, I have stubbornly refused to be re-educated, and as such am still irritatingly un-outraged by  Warren DeMontague   Feb-10-11 11:36 PM   #107 
              - That is so wrong on so many levels...  darkstar3   Feb-10-11 11:45 PM   #109 
                 - Sorry, really, I am.  Warren DeMontague   Feb-10-11 11:53 PM   #111 
                    - Oh don't be sorry,  darkstar3   Feb-10-11 11:54 PM   # 
     - I'm not saying that there aren't other problems with their message  XemaSab   Feb-10-11 09:44 PM   #102 
        - The difference, as I see it, is that sex isn't oppression. The Holocaust was.  Warren DeMontague   Feb-10-11 11:42 PM   #108 
           - Well, I'm thinking that people here would be much less offended, exploitation-wise,  darkstar3   Feb-10-11 11:49 PM   #110 
           - I agree about the men. I think they should have them in the mix, for sure.  Warren DeMontague   Feb-10-11 11:54 PM   #112 
              - Well, I'm not suggesting that hairy or even "manscaped" dudes model bras,  darkstar3   Feb-10-11 11:58 PM   #113 
                 - If it wasn't, the ads wouldn't exist.  Warren DeMontague   Feb-11-11 01:58 PM   #120 
                    - You've never heard of a failed ad campaign?  darkstar3   Feb-11-11 02:47 PM   #124 
                       - PETA's got us talking about this one, and they didn't even have to run the ad.  Warren DeMontague   Feb-11-11 04:45 PM   #127 
                          - PETA has us talking about how asinine they are. I wouldn't call that a success.  darkstar3   Feb-11-11 04:53 PM   #130 
           - I spend a lot of time researching religious fundamentalists  XemaSab   Feb-11-11 01:48 AM   #117 
              - The places where women are the most oppressed, they can't be seen in public without a burka  Warren DeMontague   Feb-11-11 01:59 PM   #121 
                 - Spoken like a true Howard Stern egalitarian/feminist.  darkstar3   Feb-11-11 02:48 PM   #125 
                    - You can toss out whatever labels you like  Warren DeMontague   Feb-11-11 04:46 PM   #128 
                       - And you continue to think that people here mean sex is oppressive.  darkstar3   Feb-11-11 04:55 PM   #131 
                          - No, the issue is attractive women in lingerie that many people find erotic.  Warren DeMontague   Feb-11-11 07:14 PM   #141 
                             - For me personally?  darkstar3   Feb-11-11 09:51 PM   #143 
                                - I think there are people here who think any display of nudity or eroticism is inherently oppressive.  Warren DeMontague   Feb-11-11 11:56 PM   #147 
                                   - You're starting to understand.  darkstar3   Feb-12-11 02:36 AM   #148 
                                      - Actually, my point originally was to the people who AREN'T on that page.  Warren DeMontague   Feb-12-11 02:54 AM   #151 
                                         - Then you should address them specifically.  darkstar3   Feb-12-11 03:46 AM   #157 
                                            - Okay, so you don't give a shit about consent, & you don't think adults can make their own decisions  Warren DeMontague   Feb-12-11 03:53 AM   #158 
                                               - Doesn't it seem odd that you have to twist what people say to make your point?  darkstar3   Feb-12-11 04:01 AM   #161 
                                                  - I'm not twisting anything. It's clear that you think anyone who makes choices you don't like is  Warren DeMontague   Feb-12-11 03:45 PM   #165 
                                                  - may be the anti choicers, but not mine. you ignore what is being said to you, fabricate  seabeyond   Feb-12-11 04:30 PM   #167 
                                                  - Are "men" a monolithic entity?  Warren DeMontague   Feb-12-11 05:38 PM   #169 
  - Yeah, but it's fun to see the anti-meat fundamentalists square off against the anti-sex ones.  Warren DeMontague   Feb-10-11 12:48 PM   #20 
  - It's sad how you equate sex with objectifying women.  Hello_Kitty   Feb-10-11 01:16 PM   #36 
     - It's sad how you equate any and all depiction of sex or sexuality with objectification.  Warren DeMontague   Feb-10-11 01:17 PM   #37 
        - And you define sex as conventionally attractive young women in various poses  Hello_Kitty   Feb-10-11 01:24 PM   #40 
           - You know an awful lot about me, don't you?  Warren DeMontague   Feb-10-11 02:16 PM   #50 
           - I know that you think images of women designed to arouse heterosexual men are "sex"  Hello_Kitty   Feb-10-11 02:36 PM   #57 
              - never mind. i agree with you, though. nt  seabeyond   Feb-10-11 02:52 PM   #59 
              - I think the desires of straight women and LGBT are sex, too.  Warren DeMontague   Feb-10-11 07:49 PM   #81 
           - And what's wrong with that? Oh, wait, don't bother.  CLANG   Feb-10-11 03:07 PM   #63 
              - Defining it as "sex" and not simply "what straight men find sexy".  Hello_Kitty   Feb-10-11 03:18 PM   #65 
                 - Not sure what you're yammering about.  CLANG   Feb-10-11 03:19 PM   #66 
                 - That really doesn't surprise me.  Hello_Kitty   Feb-10-11 03:44 PM   #73 
                 - this talk is way above people's comprehension on this thread.  jtown1123   Feb-10-11 03:21 PM   #67 
                 - I do read them. Great site.  Hello_Kitty   Feb-10-11 03:44 PM   #74 
                 - You seem to be reading a lot into a simple word.  Marr   Feb-10-11 03:34 PM   #70 
                    - Because words have meaning  Hello_Kitty   Feb-10-11 03:42 PM   #72 
                       - Ah, ok-- I do see your point now.  Marr   Feb-10-11 06:04 PM   #79 
                       - Okay, Anti-Some Sex, then.  Warren DeMontague   Feb-10-11 07:55 PM   #84 
  - Who cares if it was weird.  Lucian   Feb-10-11 08:25 PM   #93 
  - That there's what you call 'social commentary' nt  sudopod   Feb-10-11 09:23 PM   #97 
  - Just like it gets "banned" every year....  superduperfarleft   Feb-10-11 12:03 PM   #2 
  - That ad is ridiculous. Good grief! n/t  FourScore   Feb-10-11 12:06 PM   #3 
  - PETA's pathetic attempt  Supply Side Jesus   Feb-10-11 12:20 PM   #5 
  - The organization uses shock, stridency and arrogance.  bluestate10   Feb-11-11 10:31 PM   #145 
  - jeeezus, we made it a whole couple of weeks without seeing this crap on du. nt  seabeyond   Feb-10-11 12:24 PM   #6 
  - can't last forever  lame54   Feb-10-11 12:27 PM   #9 
     - yup. always someone... lol, to put this sexist garbage up. nt  seabeyond   Feb-10-11 12:28 PM   #11 
  - If modified some to get past the censors it could have communicated an  RKP5637   Feb-10-11 12:25 PM   #8 
  - ya. this is off last years banned commercial. women fucking veggies. important message. nt  seabeyond   Feb-10-11 12:34 PM   #14 
  - People fuck. Some people even fuck veggies.  Warren DeMontague   Feb-10-11 12:53 PM   #23 
     - of course you dont understand. that is clear. nt  seabeyond   Feb-10-11 12:55 PM   #24 
        - You could have a guy screwing a zucchini up there, it wouldn't bother me.  Warren DeMontague   Feb-10-11 01:09 PM   #27 
           - Absolutely. It isn't the veggies and sexual innuendo that upsets the poster...  OneTenthofOnePercent   Feb-10-11 03:23 PM   #68 
              - i bet you could find some black men willing to subjugate themselves to ridicule and degradation.  seabeyond   Feb-10-11 04:25 PM   #77 
              - I agree that sex can be ridiculous, but why do you seem to believe it's degrading?  Warren DeMontague   Feb-10-11 07:57 PM   #85 
              - "the public, as a whole"  Hello_Kitty   Feb-10-11 06:19 PM   #80 
                 - Okay, well, lots of straight men like to look at attractive women in lingerie.  Warren DeMontague   Feb-10-11 07:58 PM   #86 
                    - Lots of men like to watch porn, but we don't put it on TV.  darkstar3   Feb-11-11 12:25 AM   #115 
                       - Honestly, I'm more upset by violence than I am by sex. I'm not terrified of human sexuality showing  Warren DeMontague   Feb-11-11 02:04 PM   #122 
                          - You purposely miss the point.  darkstar3   Feb-11-11 03:12 PM   #126 
                             - "costuming decisions on older shows like Friends, Dharma and Greg"  Warren DeMontague   Feb-11-11 04:49 PM   #129 
                             - I merely pulled well-known examples.  darkstar3   Feb-11-11 05:06 PM   #132 
                                - Or, it means you watch crappy, middle-brow tv.  Warren DeMontague   Feb-11-11 07:15 PM   #142 
                                   - And again...  darkstar3   Feb-11-11 10:06 PM   #144 
                                      - Okay. Post #126:  Warren DeMontague   Feb-12-11 02:46 AM   #149 
                                         - Allright, so we go point-by-point.  darkstar3   Feb-12-11 03:24 AM   #155 
                                            - There's a difference between missing your point, and not agreeing with it.  Warren DeMontague   Feb-12-11 03:40 AM   #156 
                                               - You're not just disagreeing, you're attempting to redefine what I've said.  darkstar3   Feb-12-11 03:55 AM   #159 
                                               - I've said all I'm gonna say, in the other post.  Warren DeMontague   Feb-12-11 03:57 AM   #160 
                                               - what is passed around. kim K. video calling her a ho, hit it.  seabeyond   Feb-12-11 08:56 AM   #163 
                                               - I'm watching the ad again,and trying to imagine the sinister patriarchal coercion  Warren DeMontague   Feb-12-11 03:49 PM   #166 
                                               - again, a whole bunch in your post that was never said.... making things up, again. again  seabeyond   Feb-12-11 04:44 PM   #168 
                                               - " ignore the point that men dont see these women as whores and sluts."  Warren DeMontague   Feb-12-11 05:39 PM   #170 
                             - womans sexuality is for men. mens sexuality is for themselves. men own womans sexuality.  seabeyond   Feb-11-11 05:28 PM   #135 
                                - People tell me I have a knack for clarification.  darkstar3   Feb-11-11 06:37 PM   #138 
                                - do they.... they tell me the opposite, bah ha hahaha  seabeyond   Feb-11-11 06:57 PM   #139 
                                - So what you really want is to see more guys in speedos, in tv commercials.  Warren DeMontague   Feb-12-11 02:56 AM   #152 
  - PETA doesn't really want to pay the $3000000 to air it on the SB  itsrobert   Feb-10-11 12:38 PM   #17 
     - You got it--and even the ads that do make it are designed to get  blondeatlast   Feb-10-11 12:46 PM   #18 
     - Thanks, good point! n/t  RKP5637   Feb-10-11 01:15 PM   #34 
  - Why are they trying to sell veggies like this....  WCGreen   Feb-10-11 12:37 PM   #15 
  - I know. Won't someone think of the children?  Warren DeMontague   Feb-10-11 01:10 PM   #28 
  - Not all vegetarians  Coyote_Bandit   Feb-10-11 12:38 PM   #16 
  - Given the shitty state of health in the US, anything that gets people eating broccoli is good.  Warren DeMontague   Feb-10-11 12:52 PM   #22 
  - Yeah, I know a lot of women who use asparagus to get off  snooper2   Feb-10-11 01:09 PM   #26 
  - Good grief. They must grow some big asparagus where you live.  Warren DeMontague   Feb-10-11 01:11 PM   #30 
  - What was with the blindfold? That all looked rather piggish.  Matariki   Feb-10-11 01:15 PM   #35 
  - I think blindfolds are a fairly common kink.  Warren DeMontague   Feb-10-11 02:18 PM   #51 
  - Card carrying member of Peta.  garybeck   Feb-10-11 01:24 PM   #39 
  - i use to support peta. i dont anymore. ya right... that accomplished what they were after. nt  seabeyond   Feb-10-11 01:27 PM   #41 
  - So why is the conversation about PETA and not about abstaining from meat?  superduperfarleft   Feb-10-11 01:29 PM   #42 
  - uh....  garybeck   Feb-10-11 01:52 PM   #45 
     - As to your first point  superduperfarleft   Feb-10-11 02:09 PM   #47 
        - again, I'm saying that  garybeck   Feb-10-11 02:20 PM   #52 
           - But it's NOT strictly a matter of quantity.  superduperfarleft   Feb-10-11 02:34 PM   #56 
           - Good point, I'll only eat steak on Fridays!  CLANG   Feb-10-11 03:12 PM   #64 
  - That's the same justification all groups that like to push their morality onto others use.  FLPanhandle   Feb-10-11 01:45 PM   #44 
  - Personally I let people make their own choices.  garybeck   Feb-10-11 01:58 PM   #46 
  - LOL  FLPanhandle   Feb-10-11 02:12 PM   #49 
     - "you can be against factory farming without being against people eating meat"  garybeck   Feb-10-11 02:28 PM   #55 
        - Fine.  FLPanhandle   Feb-10-11 03:34 PM   #69 
  - I'm not defending this ad by any means, but how exactly is one "pushing their moral choices onto you  superduperfarleft   Feb-10-11 02:11 PM   #48 
     - Just out of curiosity: Why can't you just write "vegan"?  Warren DeMontague   Feb-10-11 02:21 PM   #53 
     - It's meant to encompass vegan and vegetarian.  superduperfarleft   Feb-10-11 02:22 PM   #54 
     - Very good question  FLPanhandle   Feb-10-11 03:40 PM   #71 
        - Personally, I don't see too many similarities.  superduperfarleft   Feb-10-11 03:56 PM   #75 
           - I think the similarity is the fact both groups push their agenda in your face unbidden.  FLPanhandle   Feb-11-11 02:08 PM   #123 
  - I don't get the "pissing people off" with "getting their message across" equivalence.  Matariki   Feb-10-11 02:37 PM   #58 
  - "They might have pissed you off but they got their message across."  darkstar3   Feb-11-11 12:16 AM   #114 
  - Gee, how sad.  LadyHawkAZ   Feb-10-11 01:32 PM   #43 
  - What a disgusting ad  kctim   Feb-10-11 04:19 PM   #76 
  - Yep, this thread went about as usual.  flvegan   Feb-10-11 07:54 PM   #83 
  - Wouldn't you be a little freaked out if it wasn't?  Warren DeMontague   Feb-10-11 07:59 PM   #87 
  - You make a good point.  flvegan   Feb-10-11 08:14 PM   #90 
  - peta went about as usual, hence the same response. peta got what they were looking for  seabeyond   Feb-10-11 09:20 PM   #95 
     - They did, really.  flvegan   Feb-10-11 09:22 PM   #96 
        - i that makes you proud? smarmy repugs do the same. teabaggers. christian coalition  seabeyond   Feb-10-11 09:27 PM   #99 
           - I can't take pride in it  flvegan   Feb-10-11 09:30 PM   #100 
              - why would we stand up for anything flvgan as long as you are there for a good laugh  seabeyond   Feb-10-11 09:35 PM   #101 
                 - Whoa, whoa.  flvegan   Feb-10-11 10:04 PM   #103 
                    - thank you, for the clarification. nt  seabeyond   Feb-10-11 10:24 PM   #106 
  - Do they ever have Men in these type of Ads ?  JI7   Feb-10-11 08:03 PM   #88 
  - In their ads? Yes.  flvegan   Feb-10-11 09:23 PM   #98 
     - not just in ads but similar to how they show the women  JI7   Feb-10-11 10:13 PM   #104 
        - Absolutely.  flvegan   Feb-10-11 10:17 PM   #105 
  - Hot!  Balbus   Feb-10-11 08:20 PM   #91 
  - That video made my celery go from limp to crisp.  Lucian   Feb-10-11 08:24 PM   #92 
  - To comment directly on the ad itself,  darkstar3   Feb-11-11 12:37 AM   #116 
  - Who is the biggest attention whore: PETA or PALIN?  cleanhippie   Feb-11-11 01:51 AM   #118 
  - Give me time to flip a coin fifteen times, first to eight wins. nt.  bluestate10   Feb-11-11 10:50 PM   #146 
  - PETA has a cause far greater than Palin.  Skip Intro   Feb-12-11 03:00 AM   #154 
  - They never had any intention of running it during the Superbowl. PETA couldn't afford to do that.  slackmaster   Feb-11-11 01:54 AM   #119 
  - For the amount of money ....  CanSocDem   Feb-11-11 06:01 PM   #136 
  - Six animals died for my meals today.  Countdown_3_2_1   Feb-11-11 07:04 PM   #140 
  - Mmmmm, I wanna be asparagus! +edit  Inchworm   Feb-12-11 02:52 AM   #150 
  - Yay PETA. They do what they do better than anyone. And the message was clear. Good job PETA.  Skip Intro   Feb-12-11 02:58 AM   #153 
     - And what exactly is it that PETA does?  darkstar3   Feb-12-11 04:06 AM   #162 
     - "They do what they do better than anyone."  superduperfarleft   Feb-12-11 09:08 AM   #164 
 

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