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JanMichael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-18-10 10:25 PM
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Just a simple argument against crapping on the "South".
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Edited on Sat Dec-18-10 10:30 PM by JanMichael
We (what I perceive as a norm here at DU and in the general population) seem to always call the Pacific Northwest super liberal in terms of tolerance as compared to a perceived ugly monolith called "the South"; I however don't buy in to that theory; at least not when it counts in terms of race/sex/homophobic illegal violence. In other softer gentler ways perhaps. But...

Fun Fact - Portland is almost always heads above Charlotte in Hate Crimes as reported by the FBI. Crazy eh? In 2009 Portland had a hefty 35 incidents and Charlotte, NC (bigger by almost 200k and 35% African American while Portland is like 4% (at best) African American) had 9.

Huh? Oh and almost half (15) of the Portland incidents were attacks/incidents against gays. More than all of the Charlotte reports.

I've lived in all over this country and in other countries. There are shitheads and decent folks in all. North Carolina compared to places I've lived before, while having its own share of A-holes, is pretty damned decent.

Plus Chapel Hill (the oldest Public University in the USA) is still called "Commie Hill" by Reich-wingers. Asheville is a lefty, hippy, free-spirit mecca (although somewhat gentrified in the 90s and 00s). All of the major metro areas voted Obama (and all are mostly disappointed now but alas)...

My point is maybe best exemplified by the movie "Norma Rae": http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0079638 /

It's easy (in varying degrees) to bitch about "the man" in super liberal areas. It takes a real physically aware toughness and guts, and a certain amount of insane feistiness, to do it in "the South". And there are a TON of those feisty types here.

I'm not trying to put down Oregon (I hope Oregon destroys Auburn in the BCS Championship!!!!) because I love many of its physical and historic heritages. My god the movie Reds ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reds_ (film) )was centered on Portland Communists. Yes I appreciate that as I am am a fairly well known Socialist.

What I don't like are the broad brush strokes (in many threads which I will not call out here) that seeks the separation/alienation of all those not in the liberal "Valhalla's" which - aren't as pristinely perfect an "liberal" as advertised.

But the fact remains that we should all be in this together and not apart. It's like calling all black people the "N-word" and calling all "white people" either "crackers" or poor white people "trailer trash". I hate these dividing and demeaning terms.

All of these separating and dividing tactics of the working classes and so-called middle classes is ignorant and well "dividing".

Stop dividing please.
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  -Just a simple argument against crapping on the "South". JanMichael  Dec-18-10 10:25 PM   #0 
  - How many liberal or progressives are elected by the "South"  DontTreadOnMe   Dec-18-10 10:29 PM   #1 
  - I guess I'm talking more about tolerance and culture.  JanMichael   Dec-18-10 10:33 PM   #4 
  - FDR was pretty popular in the south  TNLib   Dec-18-10 10:34 PM   #5 
  - All sorts of things were different over half a century ago.  Codeine   Dec-18-10 10:36 PM   #6 
     - Jimmy Carter  SmileyRose   Dec-18-10 11:34 PM   #26 
  - I would also add that most so-called liberals in Congress are probably not so much.  JanMichael   Dec-18-10 10:41 PM   #8 
     - Exactly  blindpig   Dec-20-10 10:51 AM   #61 
  - I am not sure hate crime stats is a good way of making your point  dsc   Dec-18-10 10:31 PM   #2 
  - But but they were almost even 4 years ago? Did everything change in 4 years?  JanMichael   Dec-18-10 10:38 PM   #7 
     - we have had pretty massive budget cuts down here as you know  dsc   Dec-18-10 10:47 PM   #12 
        - I had typed out a long reply but I had a connection error.  JanMichael   Dec-18-10 11:07 PM   #16 
  - It's quite probable the difference in hate crime figures  Codeine   Dec-18-10 10:32 PM   #3 
  - or it just may be that there are more hate groups in the North but y'all don't like that little fact  Ghost in the Machine   Dec-18-10 11:34 PM   #25 
  - You argue like a tea bagger .  GeorgeGist   Dec-19-10 10:08 PM   #57 
     - You argue like an idiot  Ghost in the Machine   Dec-19-10 10:53 PM   #58 
  - I agree.  bluestate10   Dec-19-10 08:47 PM   #53 
  - Many hateful republicans I know and conservative democrats...  Lost-in-FL   Dec-18-10 10:43 PM   #9 
  - Bingo! Moving the malcontents to the sunny places.  JanMichael   Dec-18-10 10:46 PM   #11 
  - portland vs charlotte hardly equals "South" vs "Pacific Northwest" as a representative sample nt  msongs   Dec-18-10 10:45 PM   #10 
  - Pick another reasonable comparison then? MSA v. State? huh? Where do people actually live?  JanMichael   Dec-18-10 10:54 PM   #14 
  - A comedian on NPR said something last night on this subject:  Codeine   Dec-18-10 10:47 PM   #13 
  - If that were remotely true, there wouldn't be so much whining here  Lex   Dec-18-10 11:09 PM   #18 
  - True. The weird thing is that I do not consider myself a "Southerner".  JanMichael   Dec-18-10 11:15 PM   #20 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Dec-18-10 11:16 PM   #21 
  - The only place where I regularly encounter people trying to refight the Civil War  QC   Dec-19-10 12:20 AM   #31 
     - same here; I have NEVER heard that discussed seriously  JanMichael   Dec-19-10 01:42 PM   #45 
        - Unfortunately, some people think that being a progressive is a matter  QC   Dec-19-10 01:56 PM   #48 
  - You're argument against stereotyping the South is appropriate, BUT  blue neen   Dec-18-10 11:03 PM   #15 
  - Fair enough. They can be separated. Point taken. nt  JanMichael   Dec-18-10 11:07 PM   #17 
  - No area of this country has a right to be particularly proud right now.  dawg   Dec-18-10 11:13 PM   #19 
  - The Southern Poverty Law Center  charlyvi   Dec-18-10 11:26 PM   #22 
  - Too many in the South think the CSA won the War.  baldguy   Dec-18-10 11:30 PM   #23 
  - No they don't.  Kalyke   Dec-19-10 10:33 AM   #36 
     - Correct.  GoCubsGo   Dec-19-10 10:46 AM   #39 
  - I've found that cities/metropolitan centers  eilen   Dec-18-10 11:31 PM   #24 
  - Charlotte is not a typical southern town.  Drew Richards   Dec-18-10 11:38 PM   #27 
  - K&R  Dappleganger   Dec-19-10 12:09 AM   #28 
  - The finest and bravest progressives I've ever known came out of the South.  David Zephyr   Dec-19-10 12:14 AM   #29 
  - I was here for years before ever using my Ignore list.  MilesColtrane   Dec-19-10 12:20 AM   #30 
  - K&R.  pecwae   Dec-19-10 10:00 AM   #32 
  - The College of Charleston is the oldest public college in the US.  Rockholm   Dec-19-10 10:02 AM   #33 
  - This is apparently a hotly debated designation.  JanMichael   Dec-19-10 10:21 AM   #34 
     - Thank you for the note....  Rockholm   Dec-20-10 05:08 PM   #63 
  - I'm pulling for Auburn.  Kalyke   Dec-19-10 10:26 AM   #35 
  - Me too.  bluestate10   Dec-19-10 09:08 PM   #55 
  - The south gets a worse reputation for a number of reasons.  JoePhilly   Dec-19-10 10:42 AM   #37 
  - excellent post  Drew Richards   Dec-19-10 12:12 PM   #42 
  - As a southerner (Georgia originally) it's sometimes hard to stomach  Vickers   Dec-19-10 10:45 AM   #38 
  - Hey thanks for the props. I'm a lifelong Southerner................  socialist_n_TN   Dec-19-10 11:00 AM   #40 
  - I live in the south too - so do quite a few leftist types. nt  TBF   Dec-19-10 01:46 PM   #47 
     - COOL! That's nice to know..............  socialist_n_TN   Dec-19-10 06:31 PM   #49 
        - The only way is to talk about economic issues -  TBF   Dec-19-10 07:07 PM   #51 
           - As I said upthread, it's really the way to go...............  socialist_n_TN   Dec-20-10 10:25 AM   #60 
  - I was born and raised in Texas, but now I live in the Greater Seattle area.  Aristus   Dec-19-10 11:20 AM   #41 
  - That stuff doesn't really matter........  socialist_n_TN   Dec-19-10 06:33 PM   #50 
     - Well, the majority of southerners enable rich people stealing,  bluestate10   Dec-19-10 09:16 PM   #56 
        - Oh, I agree wholeheartedly, but...............  socialist_n_TN   Dec-20-10 10:16 AM   #59 
  - Oregon 35 Auburn 63  deaniac21   Dec-19-10 12:14 PM   #43 
  - There are certainly plenty of conservatives, and plenty of tea-baggers,  LWolf   Dec-19-10 01:19 PM   #44 
  - K&R  Haole Girl   Dec-19-10 01:46 PM   #46 
  - I truly am pleased with the civility displayed on this thread.  JanMichael   Dec-19-10 08:29 PM   #52 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Dec-19-10 08:53 PM   #54 
  - You know, it would be much easier to stop "crapping" on the South  maxrandb   Dec-20-10 11:07 AM   #62 
 

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