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9. "probably more sharp mentally than he is"
A sad and probably erroneous assumption to make. I am mentally much sharper than I was a noob to my profession. Those who master their trades are usually far more competent than know-it-all apprentices. Americans need to quit just buying into this idea that older workers have less ability. That is a lie told by management that doesn't want to pay them commensurate to their experience. Throw away society. First they threw away the undereducated and I said nothing. Then they threw away the elderly and I said nothing. Now they are throwing away everyone and the only people with a say work call centers in India.
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  -Worried about My Dad and All Workers older than 50 jtown1123  Feb-04-11 09:44 AM   #0 
  - There is a career "arc" which peaks, then declines and trails off.  sharesunited   Feb-04-11 09:51 AM   #1 
  - I am thinking he might have to find another career. Good to know it worked out for your MIL.  jtown1123   Feb-04-11 09:52 AM   #2 
  - Learn Spanish! Muchas oportunidades! Work in Panama during the winter ! n/t  sharesunited   Feb-04-11 09:56 AM   #6 
  - Winter? In Panama? Yeah....right...  cheneyschernobyl   Feb-04-11 09:14 PM   #134 
     - Exactly! My glass is the only place I want to see ice.  sharesunited   Feb-04-11 09:48 PM   #141 
  - The American way, work until you drop dead!  Citizen Worker   Feb-04-11 03:28 PM   #113 
     - And until then, it's LIVE to WORK! What a GREAT COUNTRY!  SammyWinstonJack   Feb-04-11 04:08 PM   #116 
     - Or starve.....  femrap   Feb-04-11 08:56 PM   #130 
  - Unfortunately, these days finding other work or even becoming self employed  amandabeech   Feb-04-11 01:24 PM   #70 
  - the Richest 1% hold 42% of americas financial wealth, 6 times what the bottom 80% hold, 20% hold 93%  sam sarrha   Feb-05-11 10:56 AM   #174 
  - WTF? Tell it to Mubarak.  grahamhgreen   Feb-04-11 11:29 PM   #148 
  - Even in good times, most employers won't go near anyone who is over 62.  JDPriestly   Feb-05-11 02:51 AM   #154 
  - That "arc" did not include being dumped on your ass during your peak earning years  northernlights   Feb-05-11 10:03 AM   #169 
  - Will he ever find another job?  flamin lib   Feb-04-11 09:52 AM   #3 
  - Don't want to sound snarky here, but...  madmom   Feb-04-11 09:53 AM   #4 
  - I've been highly aware of this problem for quite some time  jtown1123   Feb-04-11 09:56 AM   #7 
  - actually, yes, it has  shanti   Feb-04-11 01:06 PM   #63 
  - Exactly right  Sherman A1   Feb-04-11 03:06 PM   #99 
  - That's true...I guess for some reason I always thought that applied  jtown1123   Feb-04-11 03:08 PM   #103 
     - I think 40 is when job searches start taking longer...and it's  WestSeattle2   Feb-04-11 08:42 PM   #129 
  - It happened but it is not comparable. There were not near the # of older homeless  Go2Peace   Feb-04-11 09:15 PM   #136 
     - Bingo on the Automation... We all should be retired by now  Grinchie   Feb-05-11 01:21 AM   #151 
  - hey, just want to say, thank you for focussing on this --  snot   Feb-04-11 03:06 PM   #100 
     - It's something that affects everyone. You're welcome.  jtown1123   Feb-04-11 03:07 PM   #102 
  - Where has the OP been? Busy growing up. His or her father is only 53,  pnwmom   Feb-04-11 10:08 AM   #14 
  - I've been going to college, learning about the world, developing my opinions  jtown1123   Feb-04-11 11:21 AM   #36 
  - I am only 56, both my kids in college, and they are both fully aware of  madmom   Feb-04-11 11:42 AM   #50 
     - Well he's aware of it now...  Dappleganger   Feb-04-11 11:53 AM   #56 
     - I was not putting him down, that's why I said I didn't want to sound "snarky", just curious.  madmom   Feb-04-11 12:01 PM   #59 
        - "he" is a "she" and I am curious why you think I wasn't aware of this problem?  jtown1123   Feb-04-11 02:14 PM   #75 
        - From you previous post...  madmom   Feb-04-11 02:44 PM   #92 
           - I meant I kind of wanted to hear from other people who are going through this  jtown1123   Feb-04-11 03:09 PM   #104 
              - You worded it just fine. It's unfortunate that other replied with a "snarky" tone.  October   Feb-05-11 09:47 AM   #166 
        - You said "where the hell have you been." That's a put-down.  pnwmom   Feb-04-11 02:14 PM   #76 
        - It may have been anger if it was said in an angry way,thus the "don't want to sound snarky", but  madmom   Feb-04-11 02:48 PM   #93 
           - If you didn't want to sound snarky, you could have chosen different words.  pnwmom   Feb-04-11 03:07 PM   #101 
           - "...people are so sensitive!" I'm not the only one calling you on your tone here.  blondeatlast   Feb-04-11 03:14 PM   #108 
        - Your came across as snarky and arrogant, IMHO. I'm not sure you meant to be,  blondeatlast   Feb-04-11 03:12 PM   #107 
        - Your comment did seem condescending.  Dappleganger   Feb-04-11 03:17 PM   #110 
     - You can't see how any young person might not be busy enough with their  pnwmom   Feb-04-11 02:10 PM   #73 
     - Thanks for the support. I am always aware of the problems of all  jtown1123   Feb-04-11 02:16 PM   #78 
     - It must sometimes feel overwhelming, jtown1123,  pnwmom   Feb-04-11 02:22 PM   #83 
        - Thanks! We'll be OK.  jtown1123   Feb-04-11 02:29 PM   #88 
     - Not worry but be aware?  madmom   Feb-04-11 02:48 PM   #94 
     - When did I say I wasn't aware of it? Why are you being so negative to me?  jtown1123   Feb-04-11 02:12 PM   #74 
        - In your very first post you said..  madmom   Feb-04-11 02:52 PM   #95 
           - Apology accepted, That's not what I meant.  jtown1123   Feb-04-11 03:11 PM   #105 
              - Yes..  anafreeka   Feb-04-11 11:50 PM   #149 
  - Even though you can't  PSzymeczek   Feb-04-11 11:04 PM   #144 
  - Actually,  chervilant   Feb-05-11 01:38 AM   #152 
  - CT is not in a good place right now with the job market.  Jennicut   Feb-04-11 09:55 AM   #5 
  - Yeah, they are thinking ND or TX.  jtown1123   Feb-04-11 09:57 AM   #8 
     - They will have to become more fluid than that.  Dappleganger   Feb-04-11 11:56 AM   #57 
        - Yeah, I mean they are open to just about anywhere, but those  jtown1123   Feb-04-11 02:17 PM   #79 
           - Do they still have kids at home?  Dappleganger   Feb-04-11 02:53 PM   #96 
              - Nope, no kids at home so that isn't the worry.  jtown1123   Feb-04-11 03:12 PM   #106 
                 - It was something we looked at quite seriously.  Dappleganger   Feb-04-11 03:16 PM   #109 
                 - Age works against someone  femrap   Feb-04-11 09:00 PM   #131 
  - "probably more sharp mentally than he is"  Generic Other   Feb-04-11 09:59 AM   #9 
  - I didn't mean this as blanket statement for all older workers, my Dad admitted he struggles with  jtown1123   Feb-04-11 10:03 AM   #10 
  - I found that to be the case also. However, there are some compensations in  eridani   Feb-04-11 06:05 PM   #124 
  - "A sad and probably erroneous assumption": No, not really  Bragi   Feb-04-11 10:19 AM   #21 
     - Anyone who graduated college/job-training/whatever in the pre-computer age  SoCalDem   Feb-04-11 10:33 AM   #27 
  - Many of us Boomers need to start forming co-operatives of various kinds.  patrice   Feb-04-11 10:07 AM   #11 
  - yes  shanti   Feb-04-11 01:10 PM   #64 
     - One of the things that I like about this idea is that, as I understand the economics of it,  patrice   Feb-04-11 03:01 PM   #98 
        - yes  shanti   Feb-04-11 04:28 PM   #118 
           - I am noticing cooperatives mentioned in connection with the hemp market here in U.S., but  patrice   Feb-04-11 05:03 PM   #119 
              - I was under the impression  femrap   Feb-04-11 09:05 PM   #132 
                 - That's more possible than most people think, especially with the big pressure to privatize  patrice   Feb-04-11 11:23 PM   #146 
  - I have an older cousin who is 53  hfojvt   Feb-04-11 10:07 AM   #12 
  - Thanks for the tip, I will pass it along  jtown1123   Feb-04-11 11:22 AM   #37 
  - Community colleges & small universities  radical noodle   Feb-04-11 02:30 PM   #90 
  - This is a very good idea. . .and one I've embraced  kevinbgoode   Feb-04-11 12:47 PM   #62 
  - Schools where I'm at are not hiring 50 something teachers with PhDs  seleff   Feb-04-11 02:58 PM   #97 
  - Raises hand  BeyondGeography   Feb-04-11 10:07 AM   #13 
  - Yeah, my parents don't have any debt either so they are  jtown1123   Feb-04-11 11:29 AM   #44 
  - First time I've heard of scientific work being outsourced. Damn.  dkf   Feb-04-11 10:10 AM   #15 
  - It's been happening for a long time.  pnwmom   Feb-04-11 10:12 AM   #18 
     - Maybe so but where is the reporting?  dkf   Feb-04-11 10:25 AM   #25 
        - Don't you remember hearing about how  pnwmom   Feb-04-11 10:46 AM   #30 
        - here..  girl gone mad   Feb-04-11 04:04 PM   #115 
  - Um, people don't lose their mental sharpness at 53.  Zoeisright   Feb-04-11 10:11 AM   #16 
  - Tell me that when your 63 /nt  Bragi   Feb-04-11 10:24 AM   #24 
  - I'm not saying that is true for everyone but my Dad has said he has less  jtown1123   Feb-04-11 11:23 AM   #38 
  - Me Too  RobinA   Feb-04-11 11:28 AM   #43 
  - My mental sharpness has dropped off significantly since 22.  Jennicut   Feb-04-11 10:19 PM   #142 
  - You have good reason for concern, but I have only one small quibble --  pnwmom   Feb-04-11 10:11 AM   #17 
  - My Dad told me that he doesn't have the mental energy like he used to  jtown1123   Feb-04-11 11:36 AM   #48 
  - he'll have to accept a temporary job, and fund his retirement  okieinpain   Feb-04-11 10:12 AM   #19 
  - Has he thought of looking overseas? Seriously  Lydia Leftcoast   Feb-04-11 10:18 AM   #20 
  - Interesting, thanks  jtown1123   Feb-04-11 11:25 AM   #40 
     - has he considered emigration?  shanti   Feb-04-11 01:13 PM   #66 
        - hmm, Canada eh? I'll ask him.  jtown1123   Feb-04-11 02:18 PM   #81 
  - many, too many  CountAllVotes   Feb-04-11 10:21 AM   #22 
  - A lot of people are mad about my "mentally sharp" comment, but I  jtown1123   Feb-04-11 11:34 AM   #47 
     - that does not sound right to me  CountAllVotes   Feb-04-11 11:47 AM   #52 
        - Whoa now, why do you think he makes six figures?  jtown1123   Feb-04-11 02:21 PM   #82 
  - A side note  SOS   Feb-04-11 10:22 AM   #23 
  - My husband is 55 and is unemployed  LibertyLover   Feb-04-11 10:33 AM   #26 
  - Yeah, I am thinking my mom will probably be the primary bread winner now  jtown1123   Feb-04-11 11:24 AM   #39 
  - The exporting of US jobs will not stop unless we stop it.  Jim__   Feb-04-11 10:37 AM   #28 
  - This is generally bad business  Johonny   Feb-04-11 10:41 AM   #29 
  - Long term, old people just get older  Bragi   Feb-04-11 11:00 AM   #31 
  - I agree  Johonny   Feb-04-11 11:07 AM   #32 
     - What is the 'odd'  femrap   Feb-04-11 09:11 PM   #133 
  - I agree. My Dad works longer and harder than anyone, which is why  jtown1123   Feb-04-11 11:30 AM   #45 
  - Some young people are unreliable, less well-educated and inexperienced  Generic Other   Feb-04-11 11:47 AM   #51 
  - That's more widespread than is commonly understood, because people don't know what they don't know.  patrice   Feb-04-11 03:19 PM   #112 
     - Catch 22  Generic Other   Feb-04-11 05:05 PM   #120 
     - I live in  femrap   Feb-04-11 09:14 PM   #135 
  - Corporate Memory  RobinA   Feb-04-11 11:48 AM   #53 
  - "younger people who are probably more sharp mentally than he is"...  ljm2002   Feb-04-11 11:07 AM   #33 
  - Not really  Bragi   Feb-04-11 11:15 AM   #35 
  - Really?  Mopar151   Feb-04-11 11:56 AM   #58 
  - More energy?  ljm2002   Feb-04-11 01:10 PM   #65 
  - Take a look at what's been going on at Microsoft over the years if this is true  Missy Vixen   Feb-04-11 01:22 PM   #68 
  - yeah right.  mimitabby   Feb-04-11 04:13 PM   #117 
  - If you had watched  femrap   Feb-04-11 09:18 PM   #137 
  - There's a lot to be said for life experience  shrike   Feb-05-11 10:20 AM   #172 
  - If you would have read my earlier responses, this is something my Dad TOLD me  jtown1123   Feb-04-11 11:25 AM   #41 
     - Fair enough...  ljm2002   Feb-04-11 01:18 PM   #67 
  - Your dad should not give up hope of finding another job.  LibDemAlways   Feb-04-11 11:14 AM   #34 
  - That's great, thanks. He actually knows someong who invented  jtown1123   Feb-04-11 11:27 AM   #42 
  - guys like your dad  mimitabby   Feb-04-11 11:31 AM   #46 
  - I probably won't be able to. My parents are fortunate in that  jtown1123   Feb-04-11 11:38 AM   #49 
  - Your parents should have some kind of income also from Social Security  pnwmom   Feb-04-11 02:26 PM   #86 
     - Yeah, my mom asked me about SS today  jtown1123   Feb-04-11 02:31 PM   #91 
  - Very true. I keep telling younger people that they will need Social Security  eridani   Feb-04-11 06:24 PM   #126 
  - I was forced out at age 62.  oldlib   Feb-04-11 11:51 AM   #54 
  - Sounds similar to my father-in-law.  Dappleganger   Feb-04-11 12:05 PM   #61 
  - My husband works for big pharma...  Dappleganger   Feb-04-11 11:52 AM   #55 
  - Oh absolutely. R&D is sadly finished I'm afraid. Contract work seems  jtown1123   Feb-04-11 02:23 PM   #84 
  - Boomers need to "rise up" and unite in a political movement to pressure  theophilus   Feb-04-11 12:04 PM   #60 
  - Yes!  jtown1123   Feb-04-11 02:24 PM   #85 
  - So young people are mentally sharp? Have you seen how they drive a car lately?  L0oniX   Feb-04-11 01:24 PM   #69 
  - Heard a rumor  roxiejules   Feb-04-11 01:29 PM   #71 
  - Interesting, thanks for sharing.  jtown1123   Feb-04-11 02:30 PM   #89 
  - Not surprising...  Dappleganger   Feb-04-11 03:18 PM   #111 
  - Grim market for over 55.  bvar22   Feb-04-11 01:58 PM   #72 
  - You call it luck, but it looks like wisdom  saras   Feb-04-11 05:50 PM   #122 
  - "younger people who are probably more sharp mentally than he is"  Honeycombe8   Feb-04-11 02:14 PM   #77 
  - She's answered that type of comment at least a couple of times.  pnwmom   Feb-04-11 02:18 PM   #80 
  - I just see evidence piling up that older workers are experiencing  jtown1123   Feb-04-11 02:27 PM   #87 
     - Our pathetic  femrap   Feb-04-11 09:29 PM   #138 
     - I'm all for that! I didn't sacrifice to get graduate degrees and  Fire1   Feb-05-11 09:35 AM   #165 
        - I hate  femrap   Feb-06-11 10:35 AM   #180 
     - If he's burned out, then he shouldn't get the job, when competing with others who aren't.  Honeycombe8   Feb-05-11 03:12 PM   #177 
  - Another issue rarely discussed when it comes to deindustrialization, plant closures, etc., is the  Citizen Worker   Feb-04-11 03:46 PM   #114 
  - The loss of that skill/knowledge base = loss of REAL value that propogates throughout all  patrice   Feb-04-11 05:12 PM   #121 
  - A legitimate worry. I was in the same situation in 2008, but was able to take early retirement  eridani   Feb-04-11 06:00 PM   #123 
  - Aren't all the physicists,  femrap   Feb-04-11 09:35 PM   #139 
     - Yes, they are. Doing work that is actually useful doesn't pay nearly as well n/t  eridani   Feb-06-11 02:19 AM   #178 
        - As my grandfather  femrap   Feb-06-11 10:27 AM   #179 
  - My 60ish friend was fired because his wife got cancer which made the employer's insurance rates rise  Faryn Balyncd   Feb-04-11 06:23 PM   #125 
  - I truly  femrap   Feb-04-11 09:38 PM   #140 
  - You have every good reason for this concern......  midnight   Feb-04-11 06:24 PM   #127 
  - All this going on while *some* people want to raise the retirement age.  Matariki   Feb-04-11 06:31 PM   #128 
  - All labor is under attack -- young people aren't invested in pensions ... don't have benefits...  defendandprotect   Feb-04-11 10:44 PM   #143 
  - Lots of my friends are dealing with this, I got lucky* and started teaching college  diane in sf   Feb-04-11 11:12 PM   #145 
  - I have Republican friends (we're in our 20's) tell me they think the retirement age should be raised  Hippo_Tron   Feb-04-11 11:25 PM   #147 
  - My fishing buddy had that happen to him  TatonkaJames   Feb-05-11 12:18 AM   #150 
  - The American Dream lives on!  Bragi   Feb-05-11 08:48 AM   #162 
     - True  TatonkaJames   Feb-05-11 01:12 PM   #175 
  - Thanks for your post, jtown1123  JDPriestly   Feb-05-11 02:50 AM   #153 
  - Don't forget to worry about yourself.  jerseyjack   Feb-05-11 06:09 AM   #155 
  - You get our dilemma.  mmonk   Feb-05-11 06:23 AM   #156 
  - From experience  Raoul   Feb-05-11 07:18 AM   #157 
  - Oh the irony of it!  LiberalEsto   Feb-05-11 08:08 AM   #158 
  - I'm 58 & haven't worked full time in nearly 2 years, but I'm doing ok.  elocs   Feb-05-11 08:28 AM   #159 
  - What4 a fantastic post.  SmileyRose   Feb-05-11 09:00 AM   #163 
  - I'll be 48 this year, so I can sympathise with your Dad  rox63   Feb-05-11 08:35 AM   #160 
  - My father is a mechanical engineer.  Atypical Liberal   Feb-05-11 08:39 AM   #161 
  - And yet the "retirement" age is going to be raised. Our out of work seniors will have to wait to  rhett o rick   Feb-05-11 09:32 AM   #164 
  - My Friend @ Wyeth Was Cut  otohara   Feb-05-11 09:55 AM   #167 
  - Labor is up against it for sure.  lonestarnot   Feb-05-11 09:59 AM   #168 
  - I know how you feel. I am 63 yrs old and I early retired. I find allot of people are having to  southernyankeebelle   Feb-05-11 10:10 AM   #170 
  - This ~50 year old man's shocking suicide by jumping hit me hard at the time it happened  Urban Prairie   Feb-05-11 10:19 AM   #171 
  - and the Dominionists in the government want to kill Social Security n Medicare >LINK>>  sam sarrha   Feb-05-11 10:40 AM   #173 
  - My father took the retirement package offer at 55, sold the house in Jersey, and bought a small  aikoaiko   Feb-05-11 01:22 PM   #176 
 

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