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Sun Jan-30-11 10:00 AM
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Edited on Sun Jan-30-11 10:03 AM by enlightenment
In the circumstances I described, the child would have to breach the existing fence and gate surrounding the yard in order to access the pool. Should the parents of the child bear more culpability in that case?
Reasonable safety measures are a good thing - but they don't need to be federal. Where I live, home owners who have pools are required to have fencing around the yard OR around the pool, and self-locking gates on all the fencing.
If someone has children, the reasonable thing to do is put fencing around the pool, as well - but why should the neighbor who does not have children be required to do that? If a child gets into the neighbor's fenced and gated yard, they didn't do it in the blink of an eye - the failure to supervise falls on the parents, not the neighbor, and that's the way the state sees it. The neighbor made reasonable measures - fencing the yard, installing self-locking gates. They would not be prosecuted under those conditions. Neither would the parents . . . when, in my opinion, they bear far more responsibility.
edited because my 's' key is behaving badly.
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| -A call to increase the safety of our children (swimming pools) |
pipoman |
Jan-30-11 09:24 AM |
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Just playing Devil's advocate - |
enlightenment |
Jan-30-11 09:37 AM |
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Personally, I think both should be prosecuted, depending on the circumstances |
pipoman |
Jan-30-11 09:44 AM |
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Okay - |
enlightenment |
Jan-30-11 10:00 AM |
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I am not one who doesn't believe in zero tolerance |
pipoman |
Jan-30-11 03:58 PM |
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I have a better idea. How about parents teach their kids not to trespass on other people's pools? |
Kievan Rus |
Jan-30-11 04:09 PM |
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WTF is a sewage lagoon? nt |
blueamy66 |
Jan-31-11 05:52 AM |
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A sewage lagoon is an open air pond... |
MicaelS |
Jan-31-11 01:31 PM |
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See above link |
pipoman |
Jan-31-11 01:55 PM |
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It's obviously the pool owners fault. |
lepus |
Jan-30-11 10:10 AM |
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I'm starting to think you are not being sarcastic . . . nt |
enlightenment |
Jan-30-11 10:59 AM |
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Or, if the parent/guardian had provided adequate supervision, the kids |
Obamanaut |
Jan-30-11 12:03 PM |
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How about if the kids are determined, so you have to put up razor-wire? |
bhikkhu |
Jan-30-11 12:30 PM |
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All the razor wire does is slow them down. |
lepus |
Jan-30-11 02:25 PM |
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Pool of mass destruction. |
Codeine |
Jan-30-11 01:02 PM |
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Or pools with slides. |
lepus |
Jan-30-11 01:47 PM |
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How's about parents eaching the little tykes to swim & |
WolverineDG |
Jan-30-11 02:03 PM |
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x2 |
Lucinda |
Jan-31-11 03:53 PM |
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"Assault diving boards"? |
beevul |
Jan-31-11 12:56 AM |
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Gee, sounds so familiar |
Fla_Democrat |
Jan-30-11 01:14 PM |
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Deleted sub-thread |
Name removed |
Jan-30-11 09:46 AM |
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All public schools should offer free swimming lessons to young children |
slackmaster |
Jan-30-11 10:01 AM |
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That used to pretty standard |
proud2BlibKansan |
Jan-30-11 10:37 AM |
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Money. Swimming pools are expensive to maintain. |
RC |
Jan-30-11 03:35 PM |
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While that's not a bad idea ... |
surrealAmerican |
Jan-30-11 01:00 PM |
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I agree.. |
pipoman |
Jan-30-11 04:12 PM |
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Lets just get some liability for negligent parents whose children drown in their pool |
Taitertots |
Jan-30-11 12:14 PM |
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I have a hard time thinking that most pool owners couldn't afford to comply |
pipoman |
Jan-30-11 04:15 PM |
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Just watch your damned kids. |
Codeine |
Jan-30-11 01:03 PM |
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Really? |
pipoman |
Jan-30-11 04:17 PM |
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Ban swimming pools. |
flvegan |
Jan-30-11 01:11 PM |
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What happened to WATCHING YOUR KIDS!?! |
Odin2005 |
Jan-30-11 01:18 PM |
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Knowing how to swim will not always |
pipoman |
Jan-30-11 04:18 PM |
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Not in favor of ever-more draconian rules and regs, sorry. |
InvisibleTouch |
Jan-30-11 02:19 PM |
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Child welfare is public responsibility |
pipoman |
Jan-30-11 04:22 PM |
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What about those who don't have children? |
REP |
Jan-30-11 02:45 PM |
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If it saves just one child,,,, NT |
lepus |
Jan-30-11 03:45 PM |
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You're right. We'll put in an electric fence. Think of the children! |
REP |
Jan-30-11 04:14 PM |
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Electric fences are illegal - Think of the children. |
May Hamm |
Jan-31-11 03:34 PM |
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I suppose you could take your chances |
pipoman |
Jan-30-11 04:25 PM |
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I got a better idea: tell your kids to stay out of my backyard. Problem solved. n/t. |
apocalypsehow |
Jan-30-11 04:01 PM |
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I suppose. |
pipoman |
Jan-30-11 04:33 PM |
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Any child on my property is trespassing |
REP |
Jan-31-11 01:30 AM |
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You must know about liability. |
May Hamm |
Jan-31-11 03:39 PM |
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A law is no replacement for parental responsibility. |
Kievan Rus |
Jan-30-11 04:01 PM |
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Do you feel the same about child safety seats in cars? |
pipoman |
Jan-30-11 04:34 PM |
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They're not even close to being the same |
Kievan Rus |
Jan-30-11 10:45 PM |
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I read somewhere that there are, on average, 9 child bathtub drownings/year |
Nevernose |
Jan-30-11 04:24 PM |
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I think that the CDC link in the OP |
pipoman |
Jan-30-11 04:36 PM |
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I had more time now.. |
pipoman |
Jan-31-11 12:54 AM |
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We had an inground pool in Buffalo in the late 60s... |
blueamy66 |
Jan-31-11 05:51 AM |
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Tell it to the 750 annual drowned kid's parents |
pipoman |
Jan-31-11 08:58 AM |
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Then let the parents teach the kids |
blueamy66 |
Jan-31-11 12:00 PM |
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Yea, I see your point....stupid, spoiled dead kids... |
pipoman |
Jan-31-11 01:23 PM |
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oh please |
blueamy66 |
Jan-31-11 03:08 PM |
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A 2-year-old in my area drowned in his backyard |
LibDemAlways |
Jan-31-11 09:21 AM |
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I suppose that's a start, but |
kiva |
Jan-31-11 09:29 AM |
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My parents had an above ground pool, hard cover , fence around the deck with a |
madmom |
Jan-31-11 09:59 AM |
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So, about 10% of the number of deaths from guns, then? N.T. |
Donald Ian Rankin |
Jan-31-11 10:07 AM |
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No actually |
pipoman |
Jan-31-11 10:50 AM |
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Yes, actually. |
Donald Ian Rankin |
Jan-31-11 10:56 AM |
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Clearly you don't recognize the difference between |
pipoman |
Jan-31-11 11:13 AM |
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I see a new high tech job set... |
Hangingon |
Jan-31-11 04:28 PM |
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This entire thread fascinates me. |
blueamy66 |
Jan-31-11 07:31 PM |
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What the hell is the matter with you? |
pipoman |
Feb-01-11 12:35 AM |
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Nothing is the matter with me. |
blueamy66 |
Feb-01-11 12:46 AM |
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So no kids drown in AZ? |
pipoman |
Feb-01-11 01:21 AM |
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I don't have kids. |
blueamy66 |
Feb-01-11 08:48 AM |
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Honestly? We don't disagree at all.. |
pipoman |
Feb-01-11 01:42 PM |
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Honestly. I work 60+ hours a week to help |
blueamy66 |
Feb-01-11 05:16 PM |
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Statistically not true, I can demonstrate if you would like to see. |
pipoman |
Feb-01-11 06:22 PM |
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Do you want to work my 60+ hours every week? |
blueamy66 |
Feb-01-11 10:11 PM |
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I've been working 50-55 myself.. |
pipoman |
Feb-01-11 10:15 PM |
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Pool owners should be required to hire armed guards around their pools 24/7 |
PVnRT |
Feb-01-11 02:00 PM |
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thank you |
blueamy66 |
Feb-02-11 03:39 AM |
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... |
guitar man |
Feb-01-11 02:13 PM |
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