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Sun Jan-30-11 10:33 PM
Response to Reply #108 |
| 113. I don't believe it increases crop yields but if it does it doesn't mean it is a good thing. |
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For example you can pump up your crops with tons of say Nitrogen, it may increase yield but it also might damage the microbes in the soil, it also might increase the likelihood of disease. A plant that grows faster than normal, just like a human, may pay a price in immune system strength for all the energy going to growth.
It isn't as simple as, oh they have more food this saves the world.
So what happens if they all grow GMO crops and disease wipes out their staple foods in a couple years. Is Mansanto and wizards like yourself, who are pushing GMO, going to flip the bill for importing enough food to Africa to make up the difference? So no one suffers?
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| -Bill Gates says "enivronmentalists" are threatening his hunger fix (patented GMOs = $$$) |
Hannah Bell |
Jan-30-11 12:03 AM |
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Bill Gates, Africa is not yours. |
tabatha |
Jan-30-11 12:03 AM |
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Jan-30-11 12:04 AM |
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Please prove gates has owned any plant patents! Now! And profited from them! |
KansasVoter |
Jan-30-11 12:08 AM |
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Jan-30-11 10:13 AM |
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He doesn't have to own them to profit from them. His partners own them. |
immoderate |
Jan-31-11 01:08 PM |
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Well if anyone knows how to steal someone elses idea. |
Rex |
Jan-30-11 12:11 AM |
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What did he steal? |
KansasVoter |
Jan-30-11 12:34 AM |
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Are you working PR for him? |
girl gone mad |
Jan-30-11 01:32 AM |
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LOL....yes paying $50,000 for it is stealing. |
KansasVoter |
Jan-30-11 08:20 AM |
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uh.. he sold it before even acquiring the rights to it. |
girl gone mad |
Jan-30-11 03:59 PM |
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Wow, the guy he bought it from was thrilled! Read more about it! And.. |
KansasVoter |
Jan-30-11 04:41 PM |
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Really pathetic ain't it? |
Rex |
Jan-31-11 07:16 PM |
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Read up on his history a little bit and you won't sound so clueless |
Rex |
Jan-31-11 07:14 PM |
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Fight to end hunger MY ASS |
leftstreet |
Jan-30-11 12:11 AM |
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Gates: doing for charity, food, and education what he did for OS's. |
MedicalAdmin |
Jan-30-11 07:35 PM |
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Gates is an idiot. |
Lucian |
Jan-30-11 12:13 AM |
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I bought an Apple computer yesterday...my first...because of Bill Gates' new politics |
loudsue |
Jan-30-11 12:16 AM |
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Do you have any scientific evidence to back that claim? |
TheWraith |
Jan-30-11 01:59 AM |
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Evidence.. |
Webster Green |
Jan-30-11 03:02 AM |
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Thank you, Webster Green! |
loudsue |
Jan-30-11 10:07 AM |
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dupe |
Webster Green |
Jan-30-11 03:02 AM |
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lol...ooops |
fascisthunter |
Jan-30-11 07:12 PM |
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don't you get it? bill gates is rich. therefore he is evil. the end. |
dionysus |
Jan-31-11 08:11 AM |
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a regular computer with Linux instead of Windows is another alternative |
eShirl |
Jan-30-11 02:25 AM |
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And a hell of a lot cheaper. |
hobbit709 |
Jan-30-11 08:24 AM |
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Yes because of his politics I made the switch to linux |
madokie |
Jan-30-11 06:51 PM |
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Lol....jealous much? |
KansasVoter |
Jan-30-11 12:33 AM |
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Oh yes... |
Lucian |
Jan-30-11 12:40 AM |
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Yes, your detailed response of proof gates ruined the country is genius! LOL |
KansasVoter |
Jan-30-11 12:42 AM |
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Apparently you've never heard the phrase... |
Lucian |
Jan-30-11 12:44 AM |
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Please provide proof that "gates is ruining the country" or you look stupid! |
KansasVoter |
Jan-30-11 12:49 AM |
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I think a simple google search would help you out. |
Lucian |
Jan-30-11 12:52 AM |
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Jan-30-11 12:54 AM |
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Jan-30-11 12:55 AM |
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jealous? Is that what you got out of that post? |
fascisthunter |
Jan-30-11 07:13 PM |
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Bill Gates still hasn't learned one fact. |
Lithos |
Jan-30-11 12:22 AM |
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That's an excellent point |
leftstreet |
Jan-30-11 12:28 AM |
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good points |
fishwax |
Jan-30-11 12:43 AM |
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I think he gets it. I also think (having read any number of statements from his foundation) . . . |
MrModerate |
Jan-30-11 01:37 AM |
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"complementary" = gmo medicine, gmo agriculture, marketization, political bribery. |
Hannah Bell |
Jan-30-11 01:44 AM |
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I get your passion. Got facts? n/t |
MrModerate |
Jan-30-11 02:00 AM |
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yes. many more than my attackers. got anything besides snark? |
Hannah Bell |
Jan-30-11 02:05 AM |
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OK then! Respond to my post above where I commented on your conspiracy fixation. |
MrModerate |
Jan-30-11 02:10 AM |
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um, i didn't post "fuck you". that was another person. i also have no clue what post |
Hannah Bell |
Jan-30-11 02:16 AM |
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I guess it was out of line for me to interpret your "fuck your tinfoil" comment as "fuck you." |
MrModerate |
Jan-30-11 02:49 AM |
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yes, it was out of line for you to interpret it that way. |
Hannah Bell |
Jan-30-11 03:32 AM |
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For what it's worth, I've pasted in the link below. |
MrModerate |
Jan-30-11 04:10 AM |
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You introduced your comments with tinfoil & conspiracy theorist. |
Hannah Bell |
Jan-30-11 06:26 AM |
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I don't think I'll retract my tinfoil/conspiracy/resentment theme, since it captures your essence. |
MrModerate |
Jan-30-11 03:07 PM |
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lol. it speaks to your claim about "other donors" to agra. |
Hannah Bell |
Jan-30-11 03:59 PM |
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Actually, all I'm asking you to do is to provide some evidence beyond guilt by association. |
MrModerate |
Jan-30-11 05:46 PM |
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Jan-30-11 06:45 PM |
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Jan-30-11 07:18 PM |
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Great post. Kudos! n/t |
semillama |
Jan-31-11 02:10 PM |
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All one has to do.. |
sendero |
Jan-30-11 06:04 PM |
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Yeah, well, whatever. A very compelling argument you've put forth here. n/t |
MrModerate |
Jan-30-11 07:19 PM |
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Norman Borlaug and the green revolution. |
Scruffy1 |
Jan-30-11 08:37 AM |
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Hmmm .... look what I found. |
Maat |
Jan-30-11 12:41 AM |
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LOL, yes, that group has no agenda! Gullible much? |
KansasVoter |
Jan-30-11 12:44 AM |
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What bothers you about SGJ? |
leftstreet |
Jan-30-11 12:53 AM |
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They are not a news source! Agenda based and biased! |
KansasVoter |
Jan-30-11 12:55 AM |
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the same thing that bothers him about anyone who criticizes gates. that poster |
Hannah Bell |
Jan-30-11 01:18 AM |
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pick a source you like better. there are plenty. even the seattle paper. |
Hannah Bell |
Jan-30-11 01:36 AM |
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Unlike Gates and Monsanto who have no agenda? |
Foo Fighter |
Jan-30-11 03:38 AM |
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No. The richest people in the world have no agenda. They are selfless philanthropists |
Hannah Bell |
Jan-30-11 06:29 AM |
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After buying overpriced MS books |
Scruffy1 |
Jan-30-11 08:40 AM |
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Boom. There it is. Follow the money. |
tinrobot |
Jan-30-11 01:36 AM |
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Not Surpised |
fascisthunter |
Jan-30-11 07:18 PM |
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Gates - leave Africa - and us alone. Nt |
xchrom |
Jan-30-11 12:51 AM |
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Bill Gates is an |
burrowowl |
Jan-30-11 01:20 AM |
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Gates is into eugenics and forced vaccination |
cbc5g |
Jan-30-11 01:22 AM |
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bullshit he's into eugenics. |
cali |
Jan-30-11 02:08 AM |
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does DU ever cease to surprise? bill gates is worse than hitler to people here. |
dionysus |
Jan-31-11 08:12 AM |
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What Gates is doing will end badly for Africa's people. |
zalinda |
Jan-30-11 01:27 AM |
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The first article hearkens back, nostalgically, to a method of food production . . . |
MrModerate |
Jan-30-11 01:55 AM |
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And the biggest problem is that you have to buy |
zalinda |
Jan-30-11 02:27 PM |
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Jan-30-11 01:32 AM |
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Yay, more western whites telling Africa it can starve for THEIR principles |
Sen. Walter Sobchak |
Jan-30-11 02:54 AM |
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more straw from the master. there is enough food produced to feed those 400,000,000. |
Hannah Bell |
Jan-30-11 03:37 AM |
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You are as well informed about Africa as you are about Detroit |
Sen. Walter Sobchak |
Jan-30-11 04:22 AM |
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There's such poor transportion -- yet somehow that imported food moves. |
Hannah Bell |
Jan-30-11 06:19 AM |
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Their called "airplanes" |
Sen. Walter Sobchak |
Jan-30-11 04:08 PM |
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here are my questions paired with your answers. |
Hannah Bell |
Jan-30-11 04:30 PM |
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Jan-30-11 05:00 PM |
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Jan-30-11 07:11 PM |
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No one wants this genetically mutant crap |
SpiralHawk |
Jan-30-11 03:37 AM |
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That "mutant crap" feeds the planet. nt |
Codeine |
Jan-30-11 10:11 AM |
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Yeah just let Africa have genetically mutated crap |
Raine |
Jan-30-11 03:52 AM |
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crap you have been eating for twenty years |
Sen. Walter Sobchak |
Jan-30-11 04:24 AM |
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probably so *sigh* |
Raine |
Jan-30-11 04:35 AM |
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This shit belongs in the 9/11 forum |
KansasVoter |
Jan-30-11 08:21 AM |
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funny that the mods haven;t moved it then. |
Hannah Bell |
Jan-30-11 02:57 PM |
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Jan-30-11 10:18 AM |
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I'm not "against" GMOs in a blanket fashion either. The question is "how" & "how much". |
Hannah Bell |
Jan-30-11 03:03 PM |
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:spray: |
leftstreet |
Jan-30-11 06:45 PM |
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Thank you. |
Starry Messenger |
Jan-30-11 07:38 PM |
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Do GMOs produce higher returns per acre? |
Taitertots |
Jan-30-11 04:14 PM |
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... |
Hannah Bell |
Jan-30-11 04:33 PM |
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Has nothing to do with the benefits Africans would see from GMO crops and Gate's plan |
Taitertots |
Jan-30-11 04:44 PM |
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africans aren't going hungry for lack of food production. |
Hannah Bell |
Jan-30-11 04:45 PM |
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then why does hunger persist between local production and 33bn in imports? |
Sen. Walter Sobchak |
Jan-30-11 05:05 PM |
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When you come up with an actionable plan to change the distribution paths for food in Africa |
Taitertots |
Jan-30-11 05:11 PM |
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lol. what a load of crap. the problem is distribution -- & genetic modification will solve it. |
Hannah Bell |
Jan-30-11 06:44 PM |
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More food will increase domestic availability |
Taitertots |
Jan-30-11 06:57 PM |
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you guys don't even make sense. first you tell me the problem is there are no roads & |
Hannah Bell |
Jan-30-11 08:00 PM |
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You are being intellectually dishonest so I'm not going to continue discussing this with you |
Taitertots |
Jan-30-11 08:07 PM |
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we don't make sense? |
Sen. Walter Sobchak |
Jan-30-11 08:14 PM |
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you didn't link me to the data i asked for. you linked me to the un website. |
Hannah Bell |
Jan-30-11 08:24 PM |
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I linked you to a UN report from March of last year, clearly you didn't read it |
Sen. Walter Sobchak |
Jan-30-11 10:48 PM |
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i read it. it didn't contain the info i asked for on exports. |
Hannah Bell |
Jan-30-11 11:00 PM |
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4th paragraph, |
Sen. Walter Sobchak |
Jan-30-11 11:23 PM |
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that isn't what i asked for. i want the dollar figures, same figures used for imports. |
Hannah Bell |
Jan-31-11 01:35 AM |
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South African exports skew those numbers into unrepresentative nonsense |
Sen. Walter Sobchak |
Jan-31-11 03:37 AM |
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"you need to calculate on a county by country basis" = my point entirely. |
Hannah Bell |
Jan-31-11 03:56 AM |
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how much academic effort should one expend? |
Sen. Walter Sobchak |
Jan-31-11 11:42 AM |
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oh, but they are. |
Hannah Bell |
Jan-31-11 01:41 PM |
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They produce higher profits for Monsanto and more money to Congress Critters. |
harun |
Jan-30-11 07:23 PM |
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So what? |
Taitertots |
Jan-30-11 07:27 PM |
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Farming doesn't need GMO or Chemical Fertilizers. |
harun |
Jan-30-11 07:45 PM |
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"need" or not, it dramatically increases crop yields |
Taitertots |
Jan-30-11 07:59 PM |
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I don't believe it increases crop yields but if it does it doesn't mean it is a good thing. |
harun |
Jan-30-11 10:33 PM |
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Dumbest M-C quiz ever! |
Prometheus Bound |
Jan-30-11 07:42 PM |
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After that the land goes bad. |
glinda |
Jan-31-11 02:06 PM |
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The article doesn't identify WHO is preventing him from doing that. |
Honeycombe8 |
Jan-30-11 05:57 PM |
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here's some background: |
Hannah Bell |
Jan-30-11 06:42 PM |
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Yeah... it's the environmentalists fault... dishonest worm |
fascisthunter |
Jan-30-11 07:22 PM |
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K&R |
amborin |
Jan-30-11 07:45 PM |
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I heard Monsanto was a monopoly. |
RandomThoughts |
Jan-30-11 07:45 PM |
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Not sure about who can possibly stop Gates from selling GMOs in Africa. |
Kaleva |
Jan-30-11 10:58 PM |
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K & R |
MilesColtrane |
Jan-30-11 11:54 PM |
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'small farmers'.... |
blindpig |
Jan-31-11 07:31 AM |
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Just heard him on NPR talking about making plants that deliver drugs and vaccines! UGGGH! |
glinda |
Jan-31-11 02:05 PM |
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