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Taitertots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 06:57 PM
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92. More food will increase domestic availability
In spite of the realities of the food distribution system. There is no evidence that 100% of production gains will be diverted out of the country. It is safe to say that increased food production will increase domestic availability. Even the fraction that is sold internationally will benefit Africans, by increasing their exports, bringing money into their country.

Absent any actionable plan, your logic is to do nothing and expect the realities of the food distribution system to change. I'll take marginal benefits over absolutely nothing any day of the week. If you have a reasonable plan to change the food distribution system in Africa, I'd like to hear it.
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  -Bill Gates says "enivronmentalists" are threatening his hunger fix (patented GMOs = $$$) Hannah Bell  Jan-30-11 12:03 AM   #0 
  - Bill Gates, Africa is not yours.  tabatha   Jan-30-11 12:03 AM   #1 
  - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Jan-30-11 12:04 AM   #2 
  - Please prove gates has owned any plant patents! Now! And profited from them!  KansasVoter   Jan-30-11 12:08 AM   #3 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jan-30-11 10:13 AM   #66 
  - He doesn't have to own them to profit from them. His partners own them.  immoderate   Jan-31-11 01:08 PM   #126 
  - Well if anyone knows how to steal someone elses idea.  Rex   Jan-30-11 12:11 AM   #4 
  - What did he steal?  KansasVoter   Jan-30-11 12:34 AM   #11 
     - Are you working PR for him?  girl gone mad   Jan-30-11 01:32 AM   #29 
     - LOL....yes paying $50,000 for it is stealing.  KansasVoter   Jan-30-11 08:20 AM   #59 
     - uh.. he sold it before even acquiring the rights to it.  girl gone mad   Jan-30-11 03:59 PM   #72 
        - Wow, the guy he bought it from was thrilled! Read more about it! And..  KansasVoter   Jan-30-11 04:41 PM   #78 
     - Really pathetic ain't it?  Rex   Jan-31-11 07:16 PM   #132 
     - Read up on his history a little bit and you won't sound so clueless  Rex   Jan-31-11 07:14 PM   #131 
  - Fight to end hunger MY ASS  leftstreet   Jan-30-11 12:11 AM   #5 
  - Gates: doing for charity, food, and education what he did for OS's.  MedicalAdmin   Jan-30-11 07:35 PM   #102 
  - Gates is an idiot.  Lucian   Jan-30-11 12:13 AM   #6 
  - I bought an Apple computer yesterday...my first...because of Bill Gates' new politics  loudsue   Jan-30-11 12:16 AM   #7 
  - Do you have any scientific evidence to back that claim?  TheWraith   Jan-30-11 01:59 AM   #36 
  - Evidence..  Webster Green   Jan-30-11 03:02 AM   #45 
  - Thank you, Webster Green!  loudsue   Jan-30-11 10:07 AM   #64 
  - dupe  Webster Green   Jan-30-11 03:02 AM   #46 
  - lol...ooops  fascisthunter   Jan-30-11 07:12 PM   #94 
  - don't you get it? bill gates is rich. therefore he is evil. the end.  dionysus   Jan-31-11 08:11 AM   #123 
  - a regular computer with Linux instead of Windows is another alternative  eShirl   Jan-30-11 02:25 AM   #42 
  - And a hell of a lot cheaper.  hobbit709   Jan-30-11 08:24 AM   #61 
  - Yes because of his politics I made the switch to linux  madokie   Jan-30-11 06:51 PM   #91 
  - Lol....jealous much?  KansasVoter   Jan-30-11 12:33 AM   #10 
     - Oh yes...  Lucian   Jan-30-11 12:40 AM   #12 
     - Yes, your detailed response of proof gates ruined the country is genius! LOL  KansasVoter   Jan-30-11 12:42 AM   #14 
        - Apparently you've never heard the phrase...  Lucian   Jan-30-11 12:44 AM   #17 
           - Please provide proof that "gates is ruining the country" or you look stupid!  KansasVoter   Jan-30-11 12:49 AM   #18 
              - I think a simple google search would help you out.  Lucian   Jan-30-11 12:52 AM   #20 
                 - Deleted message  Name removed   Jan-30-11 12:54 AM   #22 
                    - Deleted message  Name removed   Jan-30-11 12:55 AM   #24 
     - jealous? Is that what you got out of that post?  fascisthunter   Jan-30-11 07:13 PM   #95 
  - Bill Gates still hasn't learned one fact.  Lithos   Jan-30-11 12:22 AM   #8 
  - That's an excellent point  leftstreet   Jan-30-11 12:28 AM   #9 
  - good points  fishwax   Jan-30-11 12:43 AM   #15 
  - I think he gets it. I also think (having read any number of statements from his foundation) . . .  MrModerate   Jan-30-11 01:37 AM   #33 
  - "complementary" = gmo medicine, gmo agriculture, marketization, political bribery.  Hannah Bell   Jan-30-11 01:44 AM   #34 
     - I get your passion. Got facts? n/t  MrModerate   Jan-30-11 02:00 AM   #37 
        - yes. many more than my attackers. got anything besides snark?  Hannah Bell   Jan-30-11 02:05 AM   #38 
           - OK then! Respond to my post above where I commented on your conspiracy fixation.  MrModerate   Jan-30-11 02:10 AM   #40 
              - um, i didn't post "fuck you". that was another person. i also have no clue what post  Hannah Bell   Jan-30-11 02:16 AM   #41 
                 - I guess it was out of line for me to interpret your "fuck your tinfoil" comment as "fuck you."  MrModerate   Jan-30-11 02:49 AM   #43 
                    - yes, it was out of line for you to interpret it that way.  Hannah Bell   Jan-30-11 03:32 AM   #47 
                       - For what it's worth, I've pasted in the link below.  MrModerate   Jan-30-11 04:10 AM   #52 
                          - You introduced your comments with tinfoil & conspiracy theorist.  Hannah Bell   Jan-30-11 06:26 AM   #57 
                          - I don't think I'll retract my tinfoil/conspiracy/resentment theme, since it captures your essence.  MrModerate   Jan-30-11 03:07 PM   #71 
                             - lol. it speaks to your claim about "other donors" to agra.  Hannah Bell   Jan-30-11 03:59 PM   #73 
                             - Actually, all I'm asking you to do is to provide some evidence beyond guilt by association.  MrModerate   Jan-30-11 05:46 PM   #84 
                                - Deleted message  Name removed   Jan-30-11 06:45 PM   #90 
                                   - Deleted message  Name removed   Jan-30-11 07:18 PM   #97 
                             - Great post. Kudos! n/t  semillama   Jan-31-11 02:10 PM   #130 
                          - All one has to do..  sendero   Jan-30-11 06:04 PM   #86 
                             - Yeah, well, whatever. A very compelling argument you've put forth here. n/t  MrModerate   Jan-30-11 07:19 PM   #98 
  - Norman Borlaug and the green revolution.  Scruffy1   Jan-30-11 08:37 AM   #62 
  - Hmmm .... look what I found.  Maat   Jan-30-11 12:41 AM   #13 
  - LOL, yes, that group has no agenda! Gullible much?  KansasVoter   Jan-30-11 12:44 AM   #16 
  - What bothers you about SGJ?  leftstreet   Jan-30-11 12:53 AM   #21 
  - They are not a news source! Agenda based and biased!  KansasVoter   Jan-30-11 12:55 AM   #23 
  - the same thing that bothers him about anyone who criticizes gates. that poster  Hannah Bell   Jan-30-11 01:18 AM   #25 
  - pick a source you like better. there are plenty. even the seattle paper.  Hannah Bell   Jan-30-11 01:36 AM   #32 
  - Unlike Gates and Monsanto who have no agenda?  Foo Fighter   Jan-30-11 03:38 AM   #50 
     - No. The richest people in the world have no agenda. They are selfless philanthropists  Hannah Bell   Jan-30-11 06:29 AM   #58 
        - After buying overpriced MS books  Scruffy1   Jan-30-11 08:40 AM   #63 
  - Boom. There it is. Follow the money.  tinrobot   Jan-30-11 01:36 AM   #31 
  - Not Surpised  fascisthunter   Jan-30-11 07:18 PM   #96 
  - Gates - leave Africa - and us alone. Nt  xchrom   Jan-30-11 12:51 AM   #19 
  - Bill Gates is an  burrowowl   Jan-30-11 01:20 AM   #26 
  - Gates is into eugenics and forced vaccination  cbc5g   Jan-30-11 01:22 AM   #27 
  - bullshit he's into eugenics.  cali   Jan-30-11 02:08 AM   #39 
     - does DU ever cease to surprise? bill gates is worse than hitler to people here.  dionysus   Jan-31-11 08:12 AM   #124 
  - What Gates is doing will end badly for Africa's people.  zalinda   Jan-30-11 01:27 AM   #28 
  - The first article hearkens back, nostalgically, to a method of food production . . .  MrModerate   Jan-30-11 01:55 AM   #35 
     - And the biggest problem is that you have to buy  zalinda   Jan-30-11 02:27 PM   #68 
  - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Jan-30-11 01:32 AM   #30 
  - Yay, more western whites telling Africa it can starve for THEIR principles  Sen. Walter Sobchak   Jan-30-11 02:54 AM   #44 
  - more straw from the master. there is enough food produced to feed those 400,000,000.  Hannah Bell   Jan-30-11 03:37 AM   #49 
     - You are as well informed about Africa as you are about Detroit  Sen. Walter Sobchak   Jan-30-11 04:22 AM   #53 
        - There's such poor transportion -- yet somehow that imported food moves.  Hannah Bell   Jan-30-11 06:19 AM   #56 
           - Their called "airplanes"  Sen. Walter Sobchak   Jan-30-11 04:08 PM   #74 
              - here are my questions paired with your answers.  Hannah Bell   Jan-30-11 04:30 PM   #76 
                 - Deleted message  Name removed   Jan-30-11 05:00 PM   #81 
                 - Deleted message  Name removed   Jan-30-11 07:11 PM   #93 
  - No one wants this genetically mutant crap  SpiralHawk   Jan-30-11 03:37 AM   #48 
  - That "mutant crap" feeds the planet. nt  Codeine   Jan-30-11 10:11 AM   #65 
  - Yeah just let Africa have genetically mutated crap  Raine   Jan-30-11 03:52 AM   #51 
  - crap you have been eating for twenty years  Sen. Walter Sobchak   Jan-30-11 04:24 AM   #54 
     - probably so *sigh*  Raine   Jan-30-11 04:35 AM   #55 
  - This shit belongs in the 9/11 forum  KansasVoter   Jan-30-11 08:21 AM   #60 
  - funny that the mods haven;t moved it then.  Hannah Bell   Jan-30-11 02:57 PM   #69 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jan-30-11 10:18 AM   #67 
  - I'm not "against" GMOs in a blanket fashion either. The question is "how" & "how much".  Hannah Bell   Jan-30-11 03:03 PM   #70 
  - :spray:  leftstreet   Jan-30-11 06:45 PM   #89 
     - Thank you.  Starry Messenger   Jan-30-11 07:38 PM   #103 
  - Do GMOs produce higher returns per acre?  Taitertots   Jan-30-11 04:14 PM   #75 
  - ...  Hannah Bell   Jan-30-11 04:33 PM   #77 
  - Has nothing to do with the benefits Africans would see from GMO crops and Gate's plan  Taitertots   Jan-30-11 04:44 PM   #79 
     - africans aren't going hungry for lack of food production.  Hannah Bell   Jan-30-11 04:45 PM   #80 
        - then why does hunger persist between local production and 33bn in imports?  Sen. Walter Sobchak   Jan-30-11 05:05 PM   #82 
        - When you come up with an actionable plan to change the distribution paths for food in Africa  Taitertots   Jan-30-11 05:11 PM   #83 
           - lol. what a load of crap. the problem is distribution -- & genetic modification will solve it.  Hannah Bell   Jan-30-11 06:44 PM   #88 
              - More food will increase domestic availability  Taitertots   Jan-30-11 06:57 PM   #92 
                 - you guys don't even make sense. first you tell me the problem is there are no roads &  Hannah Bell   Jan-30-11 08:00 PM   #109 
                    - You are being intellectually dishonest so I'm not going to continue discussing this with you  Taitertots   Jan-30-11 08:07 PM   #110 
                    - we don't make sense?  Sen. Walter Sobchak   Jan-30-11 08:14 PM   #111 
                       - you didn't link me to the data i asked for. you linked me to the un website.  Hannah Bell   Jan-30-11 08:24 PM   #112 
                          - I linked you to a UN report from March of last year, clearly you didn't read it  Sen. Walter Sobchak   Jan-30-11 10:48 PM   #114 
                             - i read it. it didn't contain the info i asked for on exports.  Hannah Bell   Jan-30-11 11:00 PM   #116 
                                - 4th paragraph,  Sen. Walter Sobchak   Jan-30-11 11:23 PM   #117 
                                   - that isn't what i asked for. i want the dollar figures, same figures used for imports.  Hannah Bell   Jan-31-11 01:35 AM   #119 
                                      - South African exports skew those numbers into unrepresentative nonsense  Sen. Walter Sobchak   Jan-31-11 03:37 AM   #120 
                                         - "you need to calculate on a county by country basis" = my point entirely.  Hannah Bell   Jan-31-11 03:56 AM   #121 
                                            - how much academic effort should one expend?  Sen. Walter Sobchak   Jan-31-11 11:42 AM   #125 
                                               - oh, but they are.  Hannah Bell   Jan-31-11 01:41 PM   #127 
  - They produce higher profits for Monsanto and more money to Congress Critters.  harun   Jan-30-11 07:23 PM   #100 
  - So what?  Taitertots   Jan-30-11 07:27 PM   #101 
     - Farming doesn't need GMO or Chemical Fertilizers.  harun   Jan-30-11 07:45 PM   #107 
        - "need" or not, it dramatically increases crop yields  Taitertots   Jan-30-11 07:59 PM   #108 
           - I don't believe it increases crop yields but if it does it doesn't mean it is a good thing.  harun   Jan-30-11 10:33 PM   #113 
  - Dumbest M-C quiz ever!  Prometheus Bound   Jan-30-11 07:42 PM   #104 
  - After that the land goes bad.  glinda   Jan-31-11 02:06 PM   #129 
  - The article doesn't identify WHO is preventing him from doing that.  Honeycombe8   Jan-30-11 05:57 PM   #85 
  - here's some background:  Hannah Bell   Jan-30-11 06:42 PM   #87 
  - Yeah... it's the environmentalists fault... dishonest worm  fascisthunter   Jan-30-11 07:22 PM   #99 
  - K&R  amborin   Jan-30-11 07:45 PM   #105 
  - I heard Monsanto was a monopoly.  RandomThoughts   Jan-30-11 07:45 PM   #106 
  - Not sure about who can possibly stop Gates from selling GMOs in Africa.  Kaleva   Jan-30-11 10:58 PM   #115 
  - K & R  MilesColtrane   Jan-30-11 11:54 PM   #118 
  - 'small farmers'....  blindpig   Jan-31-11 07:31 AM   #122 
  - Just heard him on NPR talking about making plants that deliver drugs and vaccines! UGGGH!  glinda   Jan-31-11 02:05 PM   #128 
 

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