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markpkessinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-11 12:50 PM
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21. The First Amendment applies to the Internet, Too
Although it might be a detestable thing to do, a person is entitled to talk trash in a public forum if s/he wishes to. If, however, s/he publishes something that could be considered libelous, the aggrieved party might have a legal cause of action provided that party could meet the legal test for libel. If the aggrieved party is an ordinary citizen, there is a three-pronged test for libel: (1) the aggrieved person must prove that the statement was false; (2) that person must prove that the statement caused harm; and (3) the person must prove that the statement was made without adequate research into the truthfulness of the statement. If the aggrieved party is a public official (and a public school teacher might qualify as such), there is an additional requirement that must be met, which is that the aggrieved person must also prove that the statement was made with the intent to do harm. Calling someone a "fat ass" cannot really be proved to be either true or false, since it is a subjective description. It would be pretty hard to say that a student's subjective epithet against a teacher in a semi-public internet forum caused that teacher any real harm. The issue of adequate research is moot because it is not an objective statement for which research can provide an answer. So we're 0 in 3. And if the court were to deem a public school teacher as a public official, how could it be proved that a student expressing a subjective opinion about a teacher was intended to cause harm?

So, if anybody has a lesson to learn here, it is the teacher and the school administrators, who apparently don't understand that (a) unflattering epithets from students towards teachers goes with the territory, and (b) the law does not protect people from hurt feelings.

prove damages (which can be a pretty tough thing to prove). It's pretty hard to conceive of any court deeming "fat ass" to be slander or libel, because it is clearly a subjective epithet
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  -Student off hook for Facebook insult of teacher alp227  Jan-28-11 10:39 PM   #0 
  - Eh, yes. That's exactly what that means...  FailureToCommunicate   Jan-28-11 11:07 PM   #1 
  - the article mentioned it at the end n/t  alp227   Jan-29-11 12:23 AM   #8 
  - Yes. If it was directed against another student, it might be bullying.  McCamy Taylor   Jan-28-11 11:10 PM   #2 
  - Off campus it is a civil matter. Schools have no authority over it  ProgressiveProfessor   Jan-29-11 09:59 AM   #17 
  - Sound like mom is raising a real winner there...n/t  kiva   Jan-28-11 11:24 PM   #3 
  - It's a shitty thing to do, but I don't see how any rules were broken  bluestateguy   Jan-28-11 11:41 PM   #4 
  - I guess the teachers feelings were hurt.  jonthebru   Jan-28-11 11:52 PM   #5 
  - It is a pretty lame insult  proud2BlibKansan   Jan-29-11 07:51 AM   #15 
  - a suit for defamation of character and libel might be in order and perfectly legal tho nt  msongs   Jan-29-11 12:04 AM   #6 
  - ...and would be one of those idiotic lawsuits everybody likes to talk about  bhikkhu   Jan-29-11 12:18 AM   #7 
  - Unless of course he is a "fatass"...  Cid_B   Jan-29-11 10:35 AM   #20 
  - The teacher could sue, but couldn't win the case  markpkessinger   Jan-29-11 01:12 PM   #23 
  - nuke facebook!  HankyDubs   Jan-29-11 12:51 AM   #9 
  - He's obviously not really an honors student. Insulting people who have  plumbob   Jan-29-11 01:36 AM   #10 
  - Insulting people who have power over you is simply dumb.  oNobodyo   Jan-29-11 07:42 AM   #12 
     - You know that I am speaking of the person in immediate attendance  plumbob   Jan-29-11 10:29 AM   #19 
  - If you think about it...  Catherine Vincent   Jan-29-11 01:44 AM   #11 
  - Yes, that is precisely what the 1st Amendment means. n/t  BzaDem   Jan-29-11 07:44 AM   #13 
  - There's a difference between talking trash and posting it on the internet  proud2BlibKansan   Jan-29-11 07:50 AM   #14 
  - The First Amendment applies to the Internet, Too  markpkessinger   Jan-29-11 12:50 PM   #21 
  - School was wrong...and wide open for a lawsuit  ProgressiveProfessor   Jan-29-11 09:43 AM   #16 
  - absolutely...  lame54   Jan-29-11 10:02 AM   #18 
  - its too bad, because this case will probably be used to protect bullies of children  aikoaiko   Jan-29-11 01:09 PM   #22 

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