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Edited on Sat Dec-18-10 08:53 AM by femrap
out-and-out CRUEL! There's just no other way to define it.
The Rich will live to endure their comeuppance.
edited for spelling.
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| -President Obama is raising my taxes. I am barely above the poverty line. |
AlabamaLibrul |
Dec-17-10 04:28 PM |
#0 |
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Inflation's the biggest tax of all - it funds the war machine. nt |
phasma ex machina |
Dec-17-10 04:29 PM |
#1 |
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And silent reduction of weights and sizes of food products appear to be shrinking |
lonestarnot |
Dec-17-10 09:42 PM |
#88 |
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The lose of |
femrap |
Dec-18-10 08:55 AM |
#117 |
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I am right there with you! |
Rex |
Dec-17-10 04:31 PM |
#2 |
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Yep, me too |
Lorien |
Dec-17-10 04:34 PM |
#6 |
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+1 The powers-that-be who just gave themselves a tax break do indeed want your home. |
phasma ex machina |
Dec-17-10 04:43 PM |
#16 |
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and 150,000,000 million other poor Americans in households with more taxes. |
L. Coyote |
Dec-17-10 07:30 PM |
#76 |
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It's beyond disgusting. |
femrap |
Dec-18-10 09:00 AM |
#118 |
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I used to have |
Delphinus |
Dec-17-10 05:56 PM |
#46 |
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Hey we can try and survive together here on DU. |
Rex |
Dec-18-10 01:01 AM |
#108 |
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Hugs back to you. |
Delphinus |
Dec-18-10 02:23 PM |
#158 |
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I totally empathize with you. |
Divernan |
Dec-18-10 10:15 AM |
#125 |
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And a Christmas hug |
Delphinus |
Dec-18-10 02:27 PM |
#160 |
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I hear ya. |
Skink |
Dec-17-10 04:31 PM |
#3 |
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I'm so sorry that so many were left behind in this. |
myrna minx |
Dec-17-10 04:33 PM |
#4 |
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The 99ers really got shafted |
somone |
Dec-17-10 04:35 PM |
#9 |
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Many people here don't understand that the bottom tax rate of |
pnwmom |
Dec-17-10 04:42 PM |
#15 |
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Good summary; thanks. |
elleng |
Dec-17-10 04:53 PM |
#29 |
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Nope, sorry, you don't get to use that comparison anymore. |
Hello_Kitty |
Dec-17-10 05:38 PM |
#38 |
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Of course I can. The choice was between going back to the 2001 tax rate |
pnwmom |
Dec-17-10 06:19 PM |
#58 |
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That choice never really existed and it's gone now. |
Hello_Kitty |
Dec-17-10 06:36 PM |
#68 |
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$29 a year |
SOS |
Dec-18-10 10:14 AM |
#124 |
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why do you keep defending this? they got everybody's tax cut right except for these folks |
CreekDog |
Dec-18-10 12:39 PM |
#151 |
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Is it okay that, in replacing MWP, the poor's taxes go up from this year while the rich go down |
AlabamaLibrul |
Dec-17-10 06:14 PM |
#53 |
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It spurs the growth of the wealthy elites bank accounts. That's about it. |
stillwaiting |
Dec-18-10 07:50 AM |
#113 |
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IF this tax package works.... |
femrap |
Dec-18-10 09:09 AM |
#119 |
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but everyone was spared from a tax increase, except the poorest people |
CreekDog |
Dec-18-10 12:36 PM |
#150 |
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"IF" encompasses many possibilites |
TalkingDog |
Dec-18-10 01:34 PM |
#152 |
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"IF"? |
skyounkin |
Dec-18-10 04:27 PM |
#179 |
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He is? How so? |
TwilightGardener |
Dec-17-10 04:33 PM |
#5 |
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Is he the President? |
nadinbrzezinski |
Dec-17-10 04:34 PM |
#7 |
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By what specific mechanism did he raise taxes on this poster? |
TwilightGardener |
Dec-17-10 04:35 PM |
#8 |
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The bill he just signed onto law |
nadinbrzezinski |
Dec-17-10 04:44 PM |
#17 |
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No--by what specific mechanism in the bill did he raise taxes on this poster? |
TwilightGardener |
Dec-17-10 04:45 PM |
#19 |
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Read the analysis from experts since obviously you |
nadinbrzezinski |
Dec-17-10 04:47 PM |
#21 |
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You can't answer the question. Because Obama did not raise the poster's taxes. |
TwilightGardener |
Dec-17-10 04:51 PM |
#27 |
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Yes I can, but you refuse to do homework |
nadinbrzezinski |
Dec-17-10 04:56 PM |
#31 |
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That's dated November 11th--it's a Senate Republican bill regarding |
TwilightGardener |
Dec-17-10 05:03 PM |
#33 |
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And current analysis says that they are still going up |
nadinbrzezinski |
Dec-17-10 05:20 PM |
#36 |
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Deleted sub-thread |
Name removed |
Dec-17-10 06:22 PM |
#59 |
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"current analysis"..sounds like "some say" |
shellgame26 |
Dec-18-10 10:26 AM |
#127 |
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You are willfully unaware of reality. n/t |
tabasco |
Dec-18-10 10:30 AM |
#131 |
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too bad the admin didn't use that very same argument to let the elite tax cuts expire |
Donnachaidh |
Dec-18-10 11:13 AM |
#139 |
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+1 |
shireen |
Dec-18-10 01:36 PM |
#153 |
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It's the same argument being used |
SnakeEyes |
Dec-18-10 03:26 PM |
#165 |
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Here: Let Larry Summers tell you. |
Hello_Kitty |
Dec-17-10 07:26 PM |
#75 |
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Right. They didn't want it. It wasn't going to pass, because Republicans |
TwilightGardener |
Dec-17-10 09:39 PM |
#87 |
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But the GOP wanted the payroll tax cut, and so did the Admin. |
Hello_Kitty |
Dec-17-10 10:48 PM |
#97 |
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If you can't get what you want, you settle for something else. |
TwilightGardener |
Dec-17-10 10:56 PM |
#100 |
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Right |
quakerboy |
Dec-18-10 02:26 PM |
#159 |
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Almost every expert addressing the issue admits this is happening. |
truedelphi |
Dec-17-10 04:38 PM |
#10 |
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What specific action did Obama make to raise taxes on this poster? |
TwilightGardener |
Dec-17-10 04:40 PM |
#13 |
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here: "Obama's deal will raise taxes for some low-income workers" - McClatchy |
nashville_brook |
Dec-17-10 05:44 PM |
#40 |
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Right--because Making Work Pay expires. It would expire no matter what. |
TwilightGardener |
Dec-17-10 06:09 PM |
#52 |
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Sure it is |
Kalun D |
Dec-17-10 06:33 PM |
#66 |
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No, it's not. The MWP credit was for everybody, and it went bye bye |
TwilightGardener |
Dec-17-10 06:45 PM |
#71 |
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But I thought the payroll holiday is supposed to be temporary too. |
Hello_Kitty |
Dec-17-10 07:02 PM |
#73 |
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Bottom Line |
Kalun D |
Dec-17-10 08:34 PM |
#81 |
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Everybody lost the credit. Not just the poor. It's just that they're not |
TwilightGardener |
Dec-17-10 09:28 PM |
#85 |
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Everyone lost the MWP credit but higher wage earners make out better . |
Hello_Kitty |
Dec-17-10 10:10 PM |
#93 |
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You're right, I can't imagine why people who are opposed to the tax compromise |
TwilightGardener |
Dec-17-10 10:17 PM |
#94 |
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I can't imagine why you thought letting all the tax cuts and credits expire was ever an option. |
Hello_Kitty |
Dec-17-10 10:41 PM |
#96 |
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I didn't think it was a GOOD option. But it's what a lot of people here were urging. |
TwilightGardener |
Dec-17-10 10:51 PM |
#99 |
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But the GOP did want the regressive payroll tax holiday. |
Hello_Kitty |
Dec-17-10 11:04 PM |
#102 |
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I don't know what the effects will be. Krugman wasn't opposed to it, just |
TwilightGardener |
Dec-17-10 11:07 PM |
#103 |
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Not sure Krugman was taking the actual regressiveness into effect. |
Hello_Kitty |
Dec-17-10 11:17 PM |
#104 |
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Congress people are not paid by the firms that lobbyists work for |
truedelphi |
Dec-19-10 04:38 PM |
#185 |
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Tax cuts are not stimulus. Quit spreading supply sider lies |
martymar64 |
Dec-18-10 10:31 AM |
#132 |
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All tax cuts are not examples of supply side economics. |
tritsofme |
Dec-18-10 02:28 PM |
#161 |
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The payroll tax cut is the back door to attack Social Security |
martymar64 |
Dec-18-10 10:00 PM |
#181 |
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Facts don't matter to people |
nadinbrzezinski |
Dec-17-10 06:50 PM |
#72 |
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So if Obama had allowed Bush's "temporary" tax cuts to expire |
dflprincess |
Dec-17-10 09:06 PM |
#82 |
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Actually, Obama wanted to make those rates permanent for the middle class. |
TwilightGardener |
Dec-17-10 09:36 PM |
#86 |
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This just irks the |
femrap |
Dec-18-10 09:24 AM |
#120 |
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If you want specifics, this post contains some vital links |
truedelphi |
Dec-18-10 03:43 AM |
#111 |
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His capitulation to his republican collegues... |
ProudDad |
Dec-18-10 03:38 PM |
#168 |
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OH YEAH, BABY... |
truedelphi |
Dec-19-10 04:35 PM |
#184 |
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His capitulation to his republican collegues... |
ProudDad |
Dec-18-10 03:38 PM |
#169 |
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Only if you compare next year's taxes to this year's taxes, |
pnwmom |
Dec-17-10 04:46 PM |
#20 |
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So the fact that tthe bottom rate can basically eat their shorts doesn't bother those here |
truedelphi |
Dec-17-10 04:49 PM |
#23 |
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Trust me some of us |
nadinbrzezinski |
Dec-17-10 04:50 PM |
#24 |
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I am hoping some on this board are still fond of |
truedelphi |
Dec-17-10 04:54 PM |
#30 |
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However, if you scrub the blood off that turnip too hard |
Horse with no Name |
Dec-17-10 04:50 PM |
#25 |
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Hey Horse with no name |
truedelphi |
Dec-17-10 05:02 PM |
#32 |
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We're ALL going to have to learn ways to stretch our dollars |
Horse with no Name |
Dec-17-10 05:20 PM |
#35 |
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This sounds like a dodge |
treestar |
Dec-17-10 04:52 PM |
#28 |
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The world's ending soon anyway, or so I've read here. |
Ikonoklast |
Dec-17-10 05:32 PM |
#37 |
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for some it actually is |
fascisthunter |
Dec-17-10 06:00 PM |
#50 |
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I don't qualify for any of the credits. |
Hello_Kitty |
Dec-17-10 05:46 PM |
#41 |
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Here's the evidence |
Hello_Kitty |
Dec-17-10 05:52 PM |
#44 |
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that is chilling |
shireen |
Dec-18-10 01:49 PM |
#154 |
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That is seriously f'ed up |
GinaMaria |
Dec-18-10 04:20 PM |
#176 |
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Left wing spin? |
Brookyn_Queen |
Dec-18-10 04:09 PM |
#175 |
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why is the sky blue? |
fascisthunter |
Dec-17-10 05:56 PM |
#47 |
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silly -- someone has to pay for cutting the estate tax!! sheesh. |
nashville_brook |
Dec-17-10 04:38 PM |
#11 |
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Not really. |
pnwmom |
Dec-17-10 04:39 PM |
#12 |
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So you honestly think it's okay? |
Hello_Kitty |
Dec-17-10 05:50 PM |
#42 |
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some people live comfortably |
fascisthunter |
Dec-17-10 05:58 PM |
#49 |
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There is something called |
femrap |
Dec-18-10 09:29 AM |
#121 |
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Pitchforks? Don't be so harsh! Let's toast to their health! |
MedicalAdmin |
Dec-18-10 10:32 AM |
#133 |
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Yes, they do... They are among the elitist class |
ProudDad |
Dec-18-10 03:37 PM |
#167 |
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Yes, really. My taxes are going up. Just because they are going up less than they would have |
AlabamaLibrul |
Dec-17-10 06:08 PM |
#51 |
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Your tax RATE will not be going up. It will remain at 10% |
pnwmom |
Dec-17-10 06:23 PM |
#60 |
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Oh well my tax RATE isn't going up, great! I'll send in the same amount I sent last year then. n/t |
AlabamaLibrul |
Dec-17-10 06:25 PM |
#61 |
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Do that. All that will change is that you won't get a check in the mail |
pnwmom |
Dec-17-10 06:35 PM |
#67 |
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Their tax RATE isn't going up, only their tax BILL. |
hay rick |
Dec-17-10 09:44 PM |
#89 |
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look at it another way ... |
shireen |
Dec-18-10 02:01 PM |
#156 |
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Dec-17-10 04:41 PM |
#14 |
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why do you feel a need to attack people when they are talking |
sasha031 |
Dec-17-10 04:47 PM |
#22 |
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They can't do math or else don't understand that the 10% tax rate |
pnwmom |
Dec-17-10 06:18 PM |
#57 |
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its all about the math |
rapturedbyrobots |
Dec-17-10 09:07 PM |
#83 |
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Due to democrat sloth or incompetence or collusion... |
ProudDad |
Dec-18-10 03:51 PM |
#173 |
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Well said! Its a FUCKING LIE! |
Egnever |
Dec-17-10 06:26 PM |
#62 |
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self-delete: not going to get into personal attacks over this |
AlabamaLibrul |
Dec-17-10 06:31 PM |
#65 |
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How the fuck is it a lie when the people we claim this is being done to help will pay more |
TheKentuckian |
Dec-17-10 07:35 PM |
#78 |
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+1...nt |
SidDithers |
Dec-17-10 06:31 PM |
#64 |
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I feel your pain, I struggle too |
sasha031 |
Dec-17-10 04:44 PM |
#18 |
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President Obama is NOT raising your taxes, |
elleng |
Dec-17-10 04:50 PM |
#26 |
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And they're just paupers anyway, so who cares? eom |
Hello_Kitty |
Dec-17-10 05:44 PM |
#39 |
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"Are there no prisons? Are there no workhouses?" |
intheflow |
Dec-17-10 08:28 PM |
#80 |
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It was Obama's compromise n/t |
AlabamaLibrul |
Dec-17-10 06:16 PM |
#55 |
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It was THEIR compromise; one does not compromise with oneself. |
elleng |
Dec-17-10 07:15 PM |
#74 |
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No, it takes two to compromise. Obama was one of the two and the GOP was the other. n/t |
totodeinhere |
Dec-17-10 10:22 PM |
#95 |
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His signature is on the bill. |
Dappleganger |
Dec-17-10 10:49 PM |
#98 |
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the rich keep getting richer |
smiley |
Dec-17-10 05:10 PM |
#34 |
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I keep getting told that it's no big deal, and I should be glad to pay my share |
slackmaster |
Dec-17-10 05:52 PM |
#43 |
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"Shut up, pauper, it could have been WORSE" is what I keep hearing. |
Hello_Kitty |
Dec-17-10 05:54 PM |
#45 |
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Yes you should |
katnapped |
Dec-17-10 05:57 PM |
#48 |
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You should want all tax cuts for the low earners to expire, therefore their taxes |
TwilightGardener |
Dec-17-10 06:14 PM |
#54 |
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The claim was that we all had to share in the sacrifice. Instead, taxes are only going up for the |
AlabamaLibrul |
Dec-17-10 06:18 PM |
#56 |
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A stimulus tax cut was scheduled to end, and is ending. |
TwilightGardener |
Dec-17-10 06:26 PM |
#63 |
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The one that helps the rich was scheduled to end, too. But only the one for the poor did. n/t |
AlabamaLibrul |
Dec-17-10 06:41 PM |
#70 |
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That tax credit went away for everyone. Repubs would not agree to renew it. |
TwilightGardener |
Dec-17-10 09:46 PM |
#90 |
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Instead the Repubs got a payroll taxcut |
Hello_Kitty |
Dec-18-10 12:10 AM |
#107 |
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If inflation is up 3% a year for a few years, and then goes down 2% for a few years |
AlabamaLibrul |
Dec-17-10 06:40 PM |
#69 |
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Dec-17-10 07:35 PM |
#77 |
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You're right and this is sickening |
Yo_Mama |
Dec-17-10 08:10 PM |
#79 |
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Damn straight! |
Hello_Kitty |
Dec-17-10 10:05 PM |
#92 |
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Thank you |
Caretha |
Dec-18-10 08:21 AM |
#115 |
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Well said |
davidthegnome |
Dec-18-10 11:43 AM |
#142 |
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You had it easy for too long |
kenny blankenship |
Dec-17-10 09:11 PM |
#84 |
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Actually, the conversation will proceed quite nicely |
hay rick |
Dec-17-10 09:50 PM |
#91 |
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Evidently, that got ZIP attention .... !!! |
defendandprotect |
Dec-17-10 10:58 PM |
#101 |
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I am right there with you |
Tsiyu |
Dec-17-10 11:48 PM |
#105 |
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I just posted this: |
Kalyke |
Dec-17-10 11:53 PM |
#106 |
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Wait until you get hit by the coming inflation |
taught_me_patience |
Dec-18-10 01:16 AM |
#109 |
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You said a mouthful there!!! |
femrap |
Dec-18-10 09:38 AM |
#122 |
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I'll bet lots of folks barely making it are going to be unpleasantly surprised |
Donnachaidh |
Dec-18-10 03:43 AM |
#110 |
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Need to just suck it up |
katnapped |
Dec-18-10 07:52 AM |
#114 |
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yeah, surprising that sort of attitude when so many here claim to be progressive |
Donnachaidh |
Dec-18-10 11:08 AM |
#138 |
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Divide and conquer, devil take the hindmost. |
blindpig |
Dec-18-10 07:38 AM |
#112 |
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That Tax Bill was |
femrap |
Dec-18-10 08:52 AM |
#116 |
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The stupid thing is: he's NOT raising my taxes. |
DFW |
Dec-18-10 10:13 AM |
#123 |
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What are you talking about??? You're paying less taxes than in decades & Obama just signed a less |
judesedit |
Dec-18-10 10:21 AM |
#126 |
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And the wealthy are paying WAY less. Why do you think we have this huge shortfall? |
judesedit |
Dec-18-10 10:34 AM |
#134 |
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One more thing...without the tax cuts, 23 million jobs were created...WITH the tax cuts only 3 |
judesedit |
Dec-18-10 10:39 AM |
#135 |
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Dec-18-10 10:27 AM |
#128 |
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Deleted message |
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Dec-18-10 10:27 AM |
#129 |
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I hope you have some evidence that the poster is a liar. |
obxhead |
Dec-18-10 10:57 AM |
#136 |
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It' a shame.. |
quickesst |
Dec-18-10 10:29 AM |
#130 |
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but, but, but..... PONY! |
obxhead |
Dec-18-10 11:00 AM |
#137 |
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Yep. |
alarimer |
Dec-18-10 11:16 AM |
#140 |
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K&R Between this tax burden on the lowest earners in the |
midnight |
Dec-18-10 11:25 AM |
#141 |
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if you're barely above the poverty line |
TheWebHead |
Dec-18-10 11:53 AM |
#143 |
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Wrong. I'm under the poverty line and will owe taxes. |
Hello_Kitty |
Dec-18-10 12:25 PM |
#145 |
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Nope |
katnapped |
Dec-18-10 12:30 PM |
#147 |
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You seem to be misinformed about our tax code. n/t |
Exilednight |
Dec-18-10 12:31 PM |
#148 |
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Heard it from Rush first-hand, no doubt n/t |
katnapped |
Dec-18-10 12:34 PM |
#149 |
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That is not true |
Brookyn_Queen |
Dec-18-10 04:23 PM |
#178 |
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There were republicans who |
davidthegnome |
Dec-18-10 12:00 PM |
#144 |
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+1 |
Starry Messenger |
Dec-18-10 12:28 PM |
#146 |
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Exactly! |
DeSwiss |
Dec-18-10 01:50 PM |
#155 |
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people disagreeing with the OP are MISSING THE POINT |
shireen |
Dec-18-10 02:13 PM |
#157 |
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It was left out because Republicans wouldn't support it. If you want to blame |
TwilightGardener |
Dec-18-10 02:30 PM |
#162 |
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Not according to Larry Summers, as I already pointed out upthread. |
Hello_Kitty |
Dec-18-10 03:43 PM |
#171 |
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Yeah, typical larry summers shit... |
ProudDad |
Dec-18-10 03:52 PM |
#174 |
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Yeah...we covered this already. It doesn't prove that Obama raised anyone's taxes in this bill. |
TwilightGardener |
Dec-18-10 04:22 PM |
#177 |
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Thanks. nt |
BlueIris |
Dec-18-10 03:37 PM |
#166 |
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Uh, no - he kept your taxes from going up. |
johnaries |
Dec-18-10 02:54 PM |
#163 |
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That horrible conflation of Social Security funding |
ProudDad |
Dec-18-10 03:42 PM |
#170 |
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"Shut up, paupers, it could have been WORSE!" |
Hello_Kitty |
Dec-18-10 03:45 PM |
#172 |
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Interesting logic. How did Obama keep the OP's taxes from going up if they're actually going up? |
brentspeak |
Dec-18-10 10:40 PM |
#182 |
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K&Rnt |
maryf |
Dec-18-10 02:59 PM |
#164 |
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Start unionizing |
killbotfactory |
Dec-18-10 04:32 PM |
#180 |
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kick....n/t |
unkachuck |
Dec-18-10 10:56 PM |
#183 |
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Thr working poor are no longer considered human beings in Washington D.C. |
Cowpunk |
Dec-19-10 11:08 PM |
#186 |
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