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83. its all about the math
it is about the math. you're playing semantics to defend a shitty policy choice. has it really come to this? we have to parse our words to defend the democratic president? what a joke.

will satisfy you?

obama did not raise my taxes, but he allowed the amount of money in my bank account to go down.

active, passive, tax hike, benefit expiration...WHO CARES!?! bottom line is that either way you parse it, there's less money in the pockets of the poor. and much much more in the pockets of the rich.
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  -President Obama is raising my taxes. I am barely above the poverty line. AlabamaLibrul  Dec-17-10 04:28 PM   #0 
  - Inflation's the biggest tax of all - it funds the war machine. nt  phasma ex machina   Dec-17-10 04:29 PM   #1 
  - And silent reduction of weights and sizes of food products appear to be shrinking  lonestarnot   Dec-17-10 09:42 PM   #88 
  - The lose of  femrap   Dec-18-10 08:55 AM   #117 
  - I am right there with you!  Rex   Dec-17-10 04:31 PM   #2 
  - Yep, me too  Lorien   Dec-17-10 04:34 PM   #6 
  - +1 The powers-that-be who just gave themselves a tax break do indeed want your home.  phasma ex machina   Dec-17-10 04:43 PM   #16 
  - and 150,000,000 million other poor Americans in households with more taxes.  L. Coyote   Dec-17-10 07:30 PM   #76 
     - It's beyond disgusting.  femrap   Dec-18-10 09:00 AM   #118 
  - I used to have  Delphinus   Dec-17-10 05:56 PM   #46 
     - Hey we can try and survive together here on DU.  Rex   Dec-18-10 01:01 AM   #108 
     - Hugs back to you.  Delphinus   Dec-18-10 02:23 PM   #158 
     - I totally empathize with you.  Divernan   Dec-18-10 10:15 AM   #125 
        - And a Christmas hug  Delphinus   Dec-18-10 02:27 PM   #160 
  - I hear ya.  Skink   Dec-17-10 04:31 PM   #3 
  - I'm so sorry that so many were left behind in this.  myrna minx   Dec-17-10 04:33 PM   #4 
  - The 99ers really got shafted  somone   Dec-17-10 04:35 PM   #9 
  - Many people here don't understand that the bottom tax rate of  pnwmom   Dec-17-10 04:42 PM   #15 
     - Good summary; thanks.  elleng   Dec-17-10 04:53 PM   #29 
     - Nope, sorry, you don't get to use that comparison anymore.  Hello_Kitty   Dec-17-10 05:38 PM   #38 
     - Of course I can. The choice was between going back to the 2001 tax rate  pnwmom   Dec-17-10 06:19 PM   #58 
        - That choice never really existed and it's gone now.  Hello_Kitty   Dec-17-10 06:36 PM   #68 
        - $29 a year  SOS   Dec-18-10 10:14 AM   #124 
        - why do you keep defending this? they got everybody's tax cut right except for these folks  CreekDog   Dec-18-10 12:39 PM   #151 
     - Is it okay that, in replacing MWP, the poor's taxes go up from this year while the rich go down  AlabamaLibrul   Dec-17-10 06:14 PM   #53 
     - It spurs the growth of the wealthy elites bank accounts. That's about it.  stillwaiting   Dec-18-10 07:50 AM   #113 
     - IF this tax package works....  femrap   Dec-18-10 09:09 AM   #119 
     - but everyone was spared from a tax increase, except the poorest people  CreekDog   Dec-18-10 12:36 PM   #150 
     - "IF" encompasses many possibilites  TalkingDog   Dec-18-10 01:34 PM   #152 
     - "IF"?  skyounkin   Dec-18-10 04:27 PM   #179 
  - He is? How so?  TwilightGardener   Dec-17-10 04:33 PM   #5 
  - Is he the President?  nadinbrzezinski   Dec-17-10 04:34 PM   #7 
  - By what specific mechanism did he raise taxes on this poster?  TwilightGardener   Dec-17-10 04:35 PM   #8 
     - The bill he just signed onto law  nadinbrzezinski   Dec-17-10 04:44 PM   #17 
     - No--by what specific mechanism in the bill did he raise taxes on this poster?  TwilightGardener   Dec-17-10 04:45 PM   #19 
        - Read the analysis from experts since obviously you  nadinbrzezinski   Dec-17-10 04:47 PM   #21 
           - You can't answer the question. Because Obama did not raise the poster's taxes.  TwilightGardener   Dec-17-10 04:51 PM   #27 
              - Yes I can, but you refuse to do homework  nadinbrzezinski   Dec-17-10 04:56 PM   #31 
              - That's dated November 11th--it's a Senate Republican bill regarding  TwilightGardener   Dec-17-10 05:03 PM   #33 
              - And current analysis says that they are still going up  nadinbrzezinski   Dec-17-10 05:20 PM   #36 
                 - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Dec-17-10 06:22 PM   #59 
                 - "current analysis"..sounds like "some say"  shellgame26   Dec-18-10 10:26 AM   #127 
              - You are willfully unaware of reality. n/t  tabasco   Dec-18-10 10:30 AM   #131 
              - too bad the admin didn't use that very same argument to let the elite tax cuts expire  Donnachaidh   Dec-18-10 11:13 AM   #139 
              - +1  shireen   Dec-18-10 01:36 PM   #153 
              - It's the same argument being used  SnakeEyes   Dec-18-10 03:26 PM   #165 
     - Here: Let Larry Summers tell you.  Hello_Kitty   Dec-17-10 07:26 PM   #75 
        - Right. They didn't want it. It wasn't going to pass, because Republicans  TwilightGardener   Dec-17-10 09:39 PM   #87 
           - But the GOP wanted the payroll tax cut, and so did the Admin.  Hello_Kitty   Dec-17-10 10:48 PM   #97 
              - If you can't get what you want, you settle for something else.  TwilightGardener   Dec-17-10 10:56 PM   #100 
                 - Right  quakerboy   Dec-18-10 02:26 PM   #159 
  - Almost every expert addressing the issue admits this is happening.  truedelphi   Dec-17-10 04:38 PM   #10 
  - What specific action did Obama make to raise taxes on this poster?  TwilightGardener   Dec-17-10 04:40 PM   #13 
  - here: "Obama's deal will raise taxes for some low-income workers" - McClatchy  nashville_brook   Dec-17-10 05:44 PM   #40 
  - Right--because Making Work Pay expires. It would expire no matter what.  TwilightGardener   Dec-17-10 06:09 PM   #52 
  - Sure it is  Kalun D   Dec-17-10 06:33 PM   #66 
  - No, it's not. The MWP credit was for everybody, and it went bye bye  TwilightGardener   Dec-17-10 06:45 PM   #71 
  - But I thought the payroll holiday is supposed to be temporary too.  Hello_Kitty   Dec-17-10 07:02 PM   #73 
  - Bottom Line  Kalun D   Dec-17-10 08:34 PM   #81 
     - Everybody lost the credit. Not just the poor. It's just that they're not  TwilightGardener   Dec-17-10 09:28 PM   #85 
        - Everyone lost the MWP credit but higher wage earners make out better .  Hello_Kitty   Dec-17-10 10:10 PM   #93 
           - You're right, I can't imagine why people who are opposed to the tax compromise  TwilightGardener   Dec-17-10 10:17 PM   #94 
              - I can't imagine why you thought letting all the tax cuts and credits expire was ever an option.  Hello_Kitty   Dec-17-10 10:41 PM   #96 
              - I didn't think it was a GOOD option. But it's what a lot of people here were urging.  TwilightGardener   Dec-17-10 10:51 PM   #99 
              - But the GOP did want the regressive payroll tax holiday.  Hello_Kitty   Dec-17-10 11:04 PM   #102 
                 - I don't know what the effects will be. Krugman wasn't opposed to it, just  TwilightGardener   Dec-17-10 11:07 PM   #103 
                    - Not sure Krugman was taking the actual regressiveness into effect.  Hello_Kitty   Dec-17-10 11:17 PM   #104 
              - Congress people are not paid by the firms that lobbyists work for  truedelphi   Dec-19-10 04:38 PM   #185 
              - Tax cuts are not stimulus. Quit spreading supply sider lies  martymar64   Dec-18-10 10:31 AM   #132 
                 - All tax cuts are not examples of supply side economics.  tritsofme   Dec-18-10 02:28 PM   #161 
                    - The payroll tax cut is the back door to attack Social Security  martymar64   Dec-18-10 10:00 PM   #181 
  - Facts don't matter to people  nadinbrzezinski   Dec-17-10 06:50 PM   #72 
  - So if Obama had allowed Bush's "temporary" tax cuts to expire  dflprincess   Dec-17-10 09:06 PM   #82 
     - Actually, Obama wanted to make those rates permanent for the middle class.  TwilightGardener   Dec-17-10 09:36 PM   #86 
  - This just irks the  femrap   Dec-18-10 09:24 AM   #120 
  - If you want specifics, this post contains some vital links  truedelphi   Dec-18-10 03:43 AM   #111 
  - His capitulation to his republican collegues...  ProudDad   Dec-18-10 03:38 PM   #168 
  - OH YEAH, BABY...  truedelphi   Dec-19-10 04:35 PM   #184 
  - His capitulation to his republican collegues...  ProudDad   Dec-18-10 03:38 PM   #169 
  - Only if you compare next year's taxes to this year's taxes,  pnwmom   Dec-17-10 04:46 PM   #20 
  - So the fact that tthe bottom rate can basically eat their shorts doesn't bother those here  truedelphi   Dec-17-10 04:49 PM   #23 
     - Trust me some of us  nadinbrzezinski   Dec-17-10 04:50 PM   #24 
        - I am hoping some on this board are still fond of  truedelphi   Dec-17-10 04:54 PM   #30 
  - However, if you scrub the blood off that turnip too hard  Horse with no Name   Dec-17-10 04:50 PM   #25 
  - Hey Horse with no name  truedelphi   Dec-17-10 05:02 PM   #32 
     - We're ALL going to have to learn ways to stretch our dollars  Horse with no Name   Dec-17-10 05:20 PM   #35 
  - This sounds like a dodge  treestar   Dec-17-10 04:52 PM   #28 
     - The world's ending soon anyway, or so I've read here.  Ikonoklast   Dec-17-10 05:32 PM   #37 
     - for some it actually is  fascisthunter   Dec-17-10 06:00 PM   #50 
     - I don't qualify for any of the credits.  Hello_Kitty   Dec-17-10 05:46 PM   #41 
     - Here's the evidence  Hello_Kitty   Dec-17-10 05:52 PM   #44 
     - that is chilling  shireen   Dec-18-10 01:49 PM   #154 
        - That is seriously f'ed up  GinaMaria   Dec-18-10 04:20 PM   #176 
     - Left wing spin?  Brookyn_Queen   Dec-18-10 04:09 PM   #175 
  - why is the sky blue?  fascisthunter   Dec-17-10 05:56 PM   #47 
  - silly -- someone has to pay for cutting the estate tax!! sheesh.  nashville_brook   Dec-17-10 04:38 PM   #11 
  - Not really.  pnwmom   Dec-17-10 04:39 PM   #12 
  - So you honestly think it's okay?  Hello_Kitty   Dec-17-10 05:50 PM   #42 
  - some people live comfortably  fascisthunter   Dec-17-10 05:58 PM   #49 
  - There is something called  femrap   Dec-18-10 09:29 AM   #121 
     - Pitchforks? Don't be so harsh! Let's toast to their health!  MedicalAdmin   Dec-18-10 10:32 AM   #133 
  - Yes, they do... They are among the elitist class  ProudDad   Dec-18-10 03:37 PM   #167 
  - Yes, really. My taxes are going up. Just because they are going up less than they would have  AlabamaLibrul   Dec-17-10 06:08 PM   #51 
  - Your tax RATE will not be going up. It will remain at 10%  pnwmom   Dec-17-10 06:23 PM   #60 
     - Oh well my tax RATE isn't going up, great! I'll send in the same amount I sent last year then. n/t  AlabamaLibrul   Dec-17-10 06:25 PM   #61 
     - Do that. All that will change is that you won't get a check in the mail  pnwmom   Dec-17-10 06:35 PM   #67 
     - Their tax RATE isn't going up, only their tax BILL.  hay rick   Dec-17-10 09:44 PM   #89 
  - look at it another way ...  shireen   Dec-18-10 02:01 PM   #156 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Dec-17-10 04:41 PM   #14 
  - why do you feel a need to attack people when they are talking  sasha031   Dec-17-10 04:47 PM   #22 
  - They can't do math or else don't understand that the 10% tax rate  pnwmom   Dec-17-10 06:18 PM   #57 
  - its all about the math  rapturedbyrobots   Dec-17-10 09:07 PM   #83 
  - Due to democrat sloth or incompetence or collusion...  ProudDad   Dec-18-10 03:51 PM   #173 
  - Well said! Its a FUCKING LIE!  Egnever   Dec-17-10 06:26 PM   #62 
  - self-delete: not going to get into personal attacks over this  AlabamaLibrul   Dec-17-10 06:31 PM   #65 
  - How the fuck is it a lie when the people we claim this is being done to help will pay more  TheKentuckian   Dec-17-10 07:35 PM   #78 
  - +1...nt  SidDithers   Dec-17-10 06:31 PM   #64 
  - I feel your pain, I struggle too  sasha031   Dec-17-10 04:44 PM   #18 
  - President Obama is NOT raising your taxes,  elleng   Dec-17-10 04:50 PM   #26 
  - And they're just paupers anyway, so who cares? eom  Hello_Kitty   Dec-17-10 05:44 PM   #39 
  - "Are there no prisons? Are there no workhouses?"  intheflow   Dec-17-10 08:28 PM   #80 
  - It was Obama's compromise n/t  AlabamaLibrul   Dec-17-10 06:16 PM   #55 
  - It was THEIR compromise; one does not compromise with oneself.  elleng   Dec-17-10 07:15 PM   #74 
     - No, it takes two to compromise. Obama was one of the two and the GOP was the other. n/t  totodeinhere   Dec-17-10 10:22 PM   #95 
  - His signature is on the bill.  Dappleganger   Dec-17-10 10:49 PM   #98 
  - the rich keep getting richer  smiley   Dec-17-10 05:10 PM   #34 
  - I keep getting told that it's no big deal, and I should be glad to pay my share  slackmaster   Dec-17-10 05:52 PM   #43 
  - "Shut up, pauper, it could have been WORSE" is what I keep hearing.  Hello_Kitty   Dec-17-10 05:54 PM   #45 
  - Yes you should  katnapped   Dec-17-10 05:57 PM   #48 
  - You should want all tax cuts for the low earners to expire, therefore their taxes  TwilightGardener   Dec-17-10 06:14 PM   #54 
     - The claim was that we all had to share in the sacrifice. Instead, taxes are only going up for the  AlabamaLibrul   Dec-17-10 06:18 PM   #56 
        - A stimulus tax cut was scheduled to end, and is ending.  TwilightGardener   Dec-17-10 06:26 PM   #63 
           - The one that helps the rich was scheduled to end, too. But only the one for the poor did. n/t  AlabamaLibrul   Dec-17-10 06:41 PM   #70 
              - That tax credit went away for everyone. Repubs would not agree to renew it.  TwilightGardener   Dec-17-10 09:46 PM   #90 
                 - Instead the Repubs got a payroll taxcut  Hello_Kitty   Dec-18-10 12:10 AM   #107 
  - If inflation is up 3% a year for a few years, and then goes down 2% for a few years  AlabamaLibrul   Dec-17-10 06:40 PM   #69 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Dec-17-10 07:35 PM   #77 
  - You're right and this is sickening  Yo_Mama   Dec-17-10 08:10 PM   #79 
  - Damn straight!  Hello_Kitty   Dec-17-10 10:05 PM   #92 
  - Thank you  Caretha   Dec-18-10 08:21 AM   #115 
  - Well said  davidthegnome   Dec-18-10 11:43 AM   #142 
  - You had it easy for too long  kenny blankenship   Dec-17-10 09:11 PM   #84 
  - Actually, the conversation will proceed quite nicely  hay rick   Dec-17-10 09:50 PM   #91 
  - Evidently, that got ZIP attention .... !!!  defendandprotect   Dec-17-10 10:58 PM   #101 
  - I am right there with you  Tsiyu   Dec-17-10 11:48 PM   #105 
  - I just posted this:  Kalyke   Dec-17-10 11:53 PM   #106 
  - Wait until you get hit by the coming inflation  taught_me_patience   Dec-18-10 01:16 AM   #109 
  - You said a mouthful there!!!  femrap   Dec-18-10 09:38 AM   #122 
  - I'll bet lots of folks barely making it are going to be unpleasantly surprised  Donnachaidh   Dec-18-10 03:43 AM   #110 
  - Need to just suck it up  katnapped   Dec-18-10 07:52 AM   #114 
     - yeah, surprising that sort of attitude when so many here claim to be progressive  Donnachaidh   Dec-18-10 11:08 AM   #138 
  - Divide and conquer, devil take the hindmost.  blindpig   Dec-18-10 07:38 AM   #112 
  - That Tax Bill was  femrap   Dec-18-10 08:52 AM   #116 
  - The stupid thing is: he's NOT raising my taxes.  DFW   Dec-18-10 10:13 AM   #123 
  - What are you talking about??? You're paying less taxes than in decades & Obama just signed a less  judesedit   Dec-18-10 10:21 AM   #126 
  - And the wealthy are paying WAY less. Why do you think we have this huge shortfall?  judesedit   Dec-18-10 10:34 AM   #134 
  - One more thing...without the tax cuts, 23 million jobs were created...WITH the tax cuts only 3  judesedit   Dec-18-10 10:39 AM   #135 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Dec-18-10 10:27 AM   #128 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Dec-18-10 10:27 AM   #129 
  - I hope you have some evidence that the poster is a liar.  obxhead   Dec-18-10 10:57 AM   #136 
  - It' a shame..  quickesst   Dec-18-10 10:29 AM   #130 
  - but, but, but..... PONY!  obxhead   Dec-18-10 11:00 AM   #137 
  - Yep.  alarimer   Dec-18-10 11:16 AM   #140 
  - K&R Between this tax burden on the lowest earners in the  midnight   Dec-18-10 11:25 AM   #141 
  - if you're barely above the poverty line  TheWebHead   Dec-18-10 11:53 AM   #143 
  - Wrong. I'm under the poverty line and will owe taxes.  Hello_Kitty   Dec-18-10 12:25 PM   #145 
  - Nope  katnapped   Dec-18-10 12:30 PM   #147 
  - You seem to be misinformed about our tax code. n/t  Exilednight   Dec-18-10 12:31 PM   #148 
  - Heard it from Rush first-hand, no doubt n/t  katnapped   Dec-18-10 12:34 PM   #149 
  - That is not true  Brookyn_Queen   Dec-18-10 04:23 PM   #178 
  - There were republicans who  davidthegnome   Dec-18-10 12:00 PM   #144 
  - +1  Starry Messenger   Dec-18-10 12:28 PM   #146 
  - Exactly!  DeSwiss   Dec-18-10 01:50 PM   #155 
  - people disagreeing with the OP are MISSING THE POINT  shireen   Dec-18-10 02:13 PM   #157 
  - It was left out because Republicans wouldn't support it. If you want to blame  TwilightGardener   Dec-18-10 02:30 PM   #162 
  - Not according to Larry Summers, as I already pointed out upthread.  Hello_Kitty   Dec-18-10 03:43 PM   #171 
     - Yeah, typical larry summers shit...  ProudDad   Dec-18-10 03:52 PM   #174 
     - Yeah...we covered this already. It doesn't prove that Obama raised anyone's taxes in this bill.  TwilightGardener   Dec-18-10 04:22 PM   #177 
  - Thanks. nt  BlueIris   Dec-18-10 03:37 PM   #166 
  - Uh, no - he kept your taxes from going up.  johnaries   Dec-18-10 02:54 PM   #163 
  - That horrible conflation of Social Security funding  ProudDad   Dec-18-10 03:42 PM   #170 
  - "Shut up, paupers, it could have been WORSE!"  Hello_Kitty   Dec-18-10 03:45 PM   #172 
  - Interesting logic. How did Obama keep the OP's taxes from going up if they're actually going up?  brentspeak   Dec-18-10 10:40 PM   #182 
  - K&Rnt  maryf   Dec-18-10 02:59 PM   #164 
  - Start unionizing  killbotfactory   Dec-18-10 04:32 PM   #180 
  - kick....n/t  unkachuck   Dec-18-10 10:56 PM   #183 
  - Thr working poor are no longer considered human beings in Washington D.C.  Cowpunk   Dec-19-10 11:08 PM   #186 

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