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maxrandb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-11 02:45 PM
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29. Could someone with a little bit of knowledge in how this works
make a comment?

If you look at the article, and specifically, if you look at the attachment from the Defense Finance and Accounting Service (DFAS), you will see that this IS NOT A it Recoupment of "unearned" portion of your enlistment/reenlistment BONUS!.

Again, this is not a bill, and it happens all the time. In the Navy, for example, a person signs a 6 year contract for the Nuclear Propulsion field. They are paid, in some cases, as much as a $60K bonus, payable 1/2 at time of enlistment/commission, and then an annual installment. If said person only fulfills 2 years of their contract, FOR ANY REASON OTHER THAN LINE OF DUTY INJURY, they are required to pay back a portion of their bonus.

Pilots are a similar case. They receive up to $125K when they make O4 as long as they agree to serve 5 more years.

The military in this case is simply asking for a "pro-rated" recoupment of the bonus they gave him. It's a pretty rigid formula. If the military pays you a $60K bonus for a 6 year contract, but you only fulfill 27 months of that contract, they want some of it back.
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  -Obama administration demands Dan Choi pay $2500 for DADT discharge Bluebear  Jan-27-11 01:49 PM   #0 
  - What in the holy fucking hell?  Lucky 13   Jan-27-11 01:56 PM   #1 
  - Shame on Choi - easier for him to be a perpetual victim, apparently  Still a Democrat   Jan-27-11 02:03 PM   #2 
  - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Jan-27-11 02:04 PM   #3 
  - ....  Forkboy   Jan-27-11 02:10 PM   #4 
  - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Jan-27-11 02:11 PM   #5 
  - How does standing up for yourself and for the civil rights of millions of Americans  EFerrari   Jan-27-11 02:13 PM   #6 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jan-27-11 02:20 PM   #10 
     - Again, the consequences of that bigoted policy are still being felt  EFerrari   Jan-27-11 02:24 PM   #15 
     - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Jan-27-11 02:30 PM   #19 
     - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Jan-27-11 02:27 PM   #16 
     - Ye gods, how many enlisted men do you think have $2500 just laying around?  sudopod   Jan-27-11 04:33 PM   #120 
        - Not that it matters, but Dan Choi is an officer and a graduate of the USMA.  11 Bravo   Jan-27-11 08:59 PM   #127 
  - Look, I'm an Obama fan...  NuclearDem   Jan-27-11 02:15 PM   #7 
  - I'm not crazy about the $2500 either  Still a Democrat   Jan-27-11 02:20 PM   #11 
     - Obama's the Commander in Chief  NuclearDem   Jan-27-11 02:22 PM   #13 
        - You see no grandstanding or attempt to embarrass Obama?  Still a Democrat   Jan-27-11 02:29 PM   #18 
        - He's giving Obama a lesson in leadership and making tough choices  NuclearDem   Jan-27-11 02:32 PM   #20 
        - How brittle do you think the president is, anyway?  EFerrari   Jan-27-11 02:36 PM   #22 
           - Not brittle, but I've shown you Choi is grandstanding  Still a Democrat   Jan-27-11 02:55 PM   #42 
              - Um, you used a descriptor that I don't agree with.  EFerrari   Jan-27-11 02:57 PM   #43 
        - Unless this was his first action...  JuniperLea   Jan-27-11 02:43 PM   #27 
           - Why should he not write a public letter?  EFerrari   Jan-27-11 02:46 PM   #31 
              - I'm not sure where you are getting that from...  JuniperLea   Jan-27-11 03:42 PM   #80 
                 - I was asking. Dan Choi was writing to an issue  EFerrari   Jan-27-11 03:52 PM   #89 
                    - Please pay attention... this is frustrating...  JuniperLea   Jan-27-11 04:04 PM   #93 
                       - Do you think Dan Choi would not have written a letter on this problem  EFerrari   Jan-27-11 04:09 PM   #96 
                          - No, you aren't paying attention at all....  JuniperLea   Jan-27-11 04:27 PM   #113 
                             - It is ridiculous that he would get a letter like that.  EFerrari   Jan-27-11 04:31 PM   #119 
  - Wow. I wish I could write what I am thinking.  demmiblue   Jan-27-11 02:19 PM   #8 
  - It's OK. In this new world, the politician is the victim.  Bluebear   Jan-27-11 02:21 PM   #12 
  - I forgot to put that one on "ignore"  Lorien   Jan-28-11 01:29 AM   #137 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Jan-28-11 03:35 PM   #148 
  - Interesting that you try to spin it as if Obama is the victim in this incident..  girl gone mad   Jan-27-11 02:20 PM   #9 
  - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Jan-27-11 02:32 PM   #21 
  - You're right. He just doesn't DESERVE OBAMA  Smashcut   Jan-27-11 02:59 PM   #44 
  - OMG  Dappleganger   Jan-27-11 03:19 PM   #55 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jan-27-11 03:24 PM   # 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jan-27-11 04:10 PM   #97 
  - Every Slave should have paid to be free from the system.  Ichingcarpenter   Jan-27-11 03:32 PM   #62 
  - BULLSHIT  Hannah Bell   Jan-27-11 03:32 PM   #63 
  - Dan Choi never really loved Him!  QC   Jan-27-11 04:13 PM   #101 
  - ---  Bluebear   Jan-27-11 08:52 PM   #123 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jan-27-11 09:20 PM   #131 
  - The Shame belongs on you.  donheld   Jan-27-11 10:24 PM   #132 
  - +  Bluebear   Jan-28-11 11:50 PM   #149 
  - Poor Obama, taking blame for a policy his Admin upheld...  MessiahRp   Jan-27-11 11:35 PM   #136 
  - wow -- 120 proof koolaid  Donnachaidh   Jan-28-11 10:50 AM   #140 
  - Actually, I was thinking it was is pretty whack, after all n/t  TK421   Jan-28-11 11:55 AM   #143 
  - Are you trying to say he was looking to be the victim? If so, that is lame  TK421   Jan-28-11 11:54 AM   #142 
  - OMFG. Beyond reprehensible. Unbelievable. n/t  keepCAblue   Jan-28-11 12:06 PM   #144 
  - I think Obama signed the letter himself...  SidDithers   Jan-27-11 02:23 PM   #14 
  - THEN CHARGED HIM FOR THE GOVT. OFFENSE?  Ichingcarpenter   Jan-27-11 04:08 PM   #95 
  - Kick & Rec. Some of the replies in this thread  TriMera   Jan-27-11 02:29 PM   #17 
  - Got to protect the brand.  Forkboy   Jan-27-11 02:36 PM   #23 
  - I smoke L&M cigs because its a little higher quality  Ichingcarpenter   Jan-27-11 04:05 PM   #94 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jan-27-11 04:12 PM   #99 
  - Wow. Can't believe people attacking Choi on this. He's wrong? How, exactly?  DirkGently   Jan-27-11 02:37 PM   #24 
  - He's not genuflecting properly.  Forkboy   Jan-27-11 02:42 PM   #26 
  - Did Choi try to reach out first before...  JuniperLea   Jan-27-11 02:42 PM   #25 
  - Probably the fault of some payroll clerk in the middle of nowhere...  SidDithers   Jan-27-11 02:49 PM   #34 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Jan-27-11 02:52 PM   #38 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Jan-27-11 02:55 PM   #40 
     - Hey, stop harshing the buzz. nt  sufrommich   Jan-27-11 02:55 PM   #41 
     - I guess it's possible that the Joint Chiefs met and Obama specifically ordered them to charge Lt. Ch  Still a Democrat   Jan-27-11 03:03 PM   #46 
     - It's so funny to bash GLBT advocates.  EFerrari   Jan-27-11 03:06 PM   #48 
        - Advocates I back, but we're in knee jerk territory  Still a Democrat   Jan-27-11 03:32 PM   #66 
           - "we're in knee jerk territory"  Forkboy   Jan-27-11 03:34 PM   #67 
           - Adding insulting to bashing?  EFerrari   Jan-27-11 03:34 PM   #68 
           - Deleted message  Name removed   Jan-27-11 03:35 PM   #70 
           - Deleted message  Name removed   Jan-27-11 04:14 PM   #103 
     - LOL  JuniperLea   Jan-27-11 03:41 PM   #76 
     - It was part of Obama's dastardly plan all along!  Radical Activist   Jan-27-11 04:27 PM   #112 
  - Some of these responses are downright embarassing for DU. Shameful. n/t  demmiblue   Jan-27-11 02:45 PM   #28 
  - +1000 n/t  FreeState   Jan-27-11 03:02 PM   #45 
  - Sadly typical these days. n/t  Starry Messenger   Jan-27-11 04:11 PM   #98 
  - The OP was embarassing for DU...nt  SidDithers   Jan-27-11 04:30 PM   #117 
  - Could someone with a little bit of knowledge in how this works  maxrandb   Jan-27-11 02:45 PM   #29 
  - "They want some of it back" - gay servicemembers did not choose not to "fulfill that contract"  Bluebear   Jan-27-11 02:46 PM   #32 
  - Doesn't matter  maxrandb   Jan-27-11 03:03 PM   #47 
     - If the contract was illegal in the first place, it does matter. n/t  EFerrari   Jan-27-11 03:07 PM   #49 
        - I don't think the DADT policy has ever been declared "illegal",  hughee99   Jan-27-11 04:24 PM   #110 
           - I don't think it has either but discriminating on that basis  EFerrari   Jan-27-11 04:29 PM   #116 
           - I completely agree.  hughee99   Jan-28-11 12:54 PM   #147 
           - Um, it was declared UNCONSTITUTIONAL. n/t  keepCAblue   Jan-28-11 12:08 PM   #145 
              - After which, the USSC issued an order allowing DADT to continue pending appeal.  hughee99   Jan-28-11 12:53 PM   #146 
  - Except it is a bill and it doesn't take into account the costs  EFerrari   Jan-27-11 02:49 PM   #35 
  - You're allowing your emotions to cloud the facts  maxrandb   Jan-27-11 03:14 PM   #52 
     - No, actually you are allowing your emotions to cloud  TriMera   Jan-27-11 03:18 PM   #53 
     - If you take DADT out of the equation  maxrandb   Jan-27-11 03:32 PM   #65 
        - The thing is that DADT is the sum of the equation. n/t  TriMera   Jan-27-11 03:37 PM   #74 
        - Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how did you like the play? n/t  QC   Jan-27-11 04:18 PM   #104 
        - LOL  EFerrari   Jan-27-11 04:24 PM   #111 
        - It's not as if he committed a crime or was even let go due to force shaping  NuclearDem   Jan-27-11 04:28 PM   #114 
     - I wonder how you know my emotional state?  EFerrari   Jan-27-11 03:25 PM   #58 
  - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Jan-27-11 02:49 PM   #36 
  - All well and good if he went "Sarah Palin" on his contract and fucking quit!  bullwinkle428   Jan-27-11 02:52 PM   #39 
     - Again, what his intentions are don't matter  maxrandb   Jan-27-11 03:23 PM   #56 
        - Intentions do matter in contracts.n/t  EFerrari   Jan-27-11 03:48 PM   #85 
  - I was involuntarily discharged back in '90 and had to pay back several thousand...  Kaleva   Jan-27-11 02:45 PM   #30 
  - Why were you discharged? It's quite pertinent to the discussion of you compare yourself to Choi.  Bluebear   Jan-27-11 02:47 PM   #33 
  - Same thing happened with me  NuclearDem   Jan-27-11 02:49 PM   #37 
     - It's apples to apples and I'll explain why.  Kaleva   Jan-27-11 03:30 PM   #60 
  - The military regularly demands partial repayment of enlistment or reenlistment  struggle4progress   Jan-27-11 03:11 PM   #50 
  - My thinking is just fine, thanks. n/t  EFerrari   Jan-27-11 03:12 PM   #51 
     - I'm certainly glad to hear that. So maybe you can shed light on some of my questions:  struggle4progress   Jan-27-11 03:32 PM   #64 
        - Since you are more interested in the details of Dan's case and not this topic  EFerrari   Jan-27-11 03:35 PM   #71 
        - He absolutely would  maxrandb   Jan-27-11 03:36 PM   #73 
           - Speculate much? n/t  TriMera   Jan-27-11 03:41 PM   #78 
  - Our government makes me sick on so many levels.  sarcasmo   Jan-27-11 03:19 PM   #54 
  - I'm betting that President Obama doesn't know anything about  MineralMan   Jan-27-11 03:24 PM   #57 
  - +1...nt  SidDithers   Jan-27-11 03:26 PM   #59 
  - It's interesting to see some of you take this letter so literally.  EFerrari   Jan-27-11 03:31 PM   #61 
  - You know, I'm not saying that Choi is attacking President Obama.  MineralMan   Jan-27-11 03:35 PM   #69 
  - I think the Obama administration is sturdy enough  EFerrari   Jan-27-11 03:39 PM   #75 
     - I have no doubt that it is.  MineralMan   Jan-27-11 03:42 PM   #79 
  - I would use the word "predictable" instead of "interesting".  Forkboy   Jan-27-11 03:35 PM   #72 
  - Here's the original headline from the link:  MineralMan   Jan-27-11 03:41 PM   #77 
     - So, Bluebear cleaned up the headline before posting.  EFerrari   Jan-27-11 03:43 PM   #81 
        - Is this a new policy created by the Obama administration?  sufrommich   Jan-27-11 03:44 PM   #82 
        - Is the president only responsible for policy he creates?  EFerrari   Jan-27-11 03:46 PM   #83 
        - Of course, that's not what I said. nt  sufrommich   Jan-27-11 03:48 PM   #86 
           - That is what you implied or am I misreading?  EFerrari   Jan-27-11 03:50 PM   #88 
              - I'm saying attributing this attempt to collect money owed to the  sufrommich   Jan-27-11 03:54 PM   #90 
                 - Except for the part where the administration is in charge of the Pentagon.n/t  EFerrari   Jan-27-11 04:00 PM   #91 
        - No, but the policy that will prevent this from happening in the future was created by the Obama adm.  phleshdef   Jan-27-11 04:12 PM   #100 
        - "cleaned up?"  Bobbie Jo   Jan-27-11 03:47 PM   #84 
        - Well then, softened? This was the headline:  EFerrari   Jan-27-11 03:49 PM   #87 
        - I liked Americablog's headline more than the "Shove it!!" headline....  Bluebear   Jan-27-11 08:55 PM   #125 
           - "Shove it" doesn't sound like a story about Dan, anyway. n/t  EFerrari   Jan-27-11 08:57 PM   #126 
        - Here you are darling.  Bluebear   Jan-27-11 08:54 PM   #124 
        - Oh, OK. I've said what I have to say.  MineralMan   Jan-27-11 04:00 PM   #92 
  - Right and Choi is taking advantage of his fame and personal contact  treestar   Jan-27-11 04:18 PM   #105 
     - For others in the same sittuation. That is his role, precisely. n/t  EFerrari   Jan-27-11 04:20 PM   #107 
     - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Jan-27-11 04:20 PM   #108 
     - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Jan-27-11 04:22 PM   #109 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Jan-27-11 04:28 PM   #115 
     - How do you know that?  NuclearDem   Jan-27-11 04:31 PM   #118 
     - In private, what good would that do?  treestar   Jan-27-11 04:35 PM   #122 
        - Which is why it only helps other people if someone who can DOES speak up  NuclearDem   Jan-27-11 09:15 PM   #130 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Jan-27-11 04:34 PM   #121 
  - well, Bluebear, this is certainly an eye opening thread!!  jonnyblitz   Jan-27-11 04:14 PM   #102 
  - k/r  Solly Mack   Jan-27-11 04:18 PM   #106 
  - Good for Dan and what did you end up changing?  uppityperson   Jan-27-11 09:04 PM   #128 
  - Just took out a paragraph  Bluebear   Jan-27-11 10:58 PM   #133 
  - More regarding the issue on the link below  Tx4obama   Jan-27-11 09:04 PM   #129 
  - Thank you Bluebear.  Major Hogwash   Jan-27-11 11:05 PM   #134 
  - Thank you for your support, MH  Bluebear   Jan-27-11 11:06 PM   #135 
  - Choi is not being singled out. It's the rule that just hasn't been changed yet. n/t  Tx4obama   Jan-28-11 01:30 AM   #138 
     - Exactly right...  JuniperLea   Jan-28-11 11:47 AM   #141 
  - Disgusting. Rec'd. n/t  Catherina   Jan-28-11 01:32 AM   #139 

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