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Thu Jan-27-11 02:21 PM
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| 12. It's OK. In this new world, the politician is the victim. |
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All of the suffering constituents are only here to prop them up and adore them.
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| -Obama administration demands Dan Choi pay $2500 for DADT discharge |
Bluebear |
Jan-27-11 01:49 PM |
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What in the holy fucking hell? |
Lucky 13 |
Jan-27-11 01:56 PM |
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Shame on Choi - easier for him to be a perpetual victim, apparently |
Still a Democrat |
Jan-27-11 02:03 PM |
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Jan-27-11 02:04 PM |
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.... |
Forkboy |
Jan-27-11 02:10 PM |
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Jan-27-11 02:11 PM |
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How does standing up for yourself and for the civil rights of millions of Americans |
EFerrari |
Jan-27-11 02:13 PM |
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Jan-27-11 02:20 PM |
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Again, the consequences of that bigoted policy are still being felt |
EFerrari |
Jan-27-11 02:24 PM |
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Jan-27-11 02:27 PM |
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Ye gods, how many enlisted men do you think have $2500 just laying around? |
sudopod |
Jan-27-11 04:33 PM |
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Not that it matters, but Dan Choi is an officer and a graduate of the USMA. |
11 Bravo |
Jan-27-11 08:59 PM |
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Look, I'm an Obama fan... |
NuclearDem |
Jan-27-11 02:15 PM |
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I'm not crazy about the $2500 either |
Still a Democrat |
Jan-27-11 02:20 PM |
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Obama's the Commander in Chief |
NuclearDem |
Jan-27-11 02:22 PM |
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You see no grandstanding or attempt to embarrass Obama? |
Still a Democrat |
Jan-27-11 02:29 PM |
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He's giving Obama a lesson in leadership and making tough choices |
NuclearDem |
Jan-27-11 02:32 PM |
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How brittle do you think the president is, anyway? |
EFerrari |
Jan-27-11 02:36 PM |
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Not brittle, but I've shown you Choi is grandstanding |
Still a Democrat |
Jan-27-11 02:55 PM |
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Um, you used a descriptor that I don't agree with. |
EFerrari |
Jan-27-11 02:57 PM |
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Unless this was his first action... |
JuniperLea |
Jan-27-11 02:43 PM |
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Why should he not write a public letter? |
EFerrari |
Jan-27-11 02:46 PM |
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I'm not sure where you are getting that from... |
JuniperLea |
Jan-27-11 03:42 PM |
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I was asking. Dan Choi was writing to an issue |
EFerrari |
Jan-27-11 03:52 PM |
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Please pay attention... this is frustrating... |
JuniperLea |
Jan-27-11 04:04 PM |
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Do you think Dan Choi would not have written a letter on this problem |
EFerrari |
Jan-27-11 04:09 PM |
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No, you aren't paying attention at all.... |
JuniperLea |
Jan-27-11 04:27 PM |
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It is ridiculous that he would get a letter like that. |
EFerrari |
Jan-27-11 04:31 PM |
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Wow. I wish I could write what I am thinking. |
demmiblue |
Jan-27-11 02:19 PM |
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It's OK. In this new world, the politician is the victim. |
Bluebear |
Jan-27-11 02:21 PM |
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I forgot to put that one on "ignore" |
Lorien |
Jan-28-11 01:29 AM |
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Jan-28-11 03:35 PM |
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Interesting that you try to spin it as if Obama is the victim in this incident.. |
girl gone mad |
Jan-27-11 02:20 PM |
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Jan-27-11 02:32 PM |
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You're right. He just doesn't DESERVE OBAMA |
Smashcut |
Jan-27-11 02:59 PM |
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OMG |
Dappleganger |
Jan-27-11 03:19 PM |
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Jan-27-11 03:24 PM |
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Jan-27-11 04:10 PM |
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Every Slave should have paid to be free from the system. |
Ichingcarpenter |
Jan-27-11 03:32 PM |
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BULLSHIT |
Hannah Bell |
Jan-27-11 03:32 PM |
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Dan Choi never really loved Him! |
QC |
Jan-27-11 04:13 PM |
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Bluebear |
Jan-27-11 08:52 PM |
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Jan-27-11 09:20 PM |
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The Shame belongs on you. |
donheld |
Jan-27-11 10:24 PM |
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+ |
Bluebear |
Jan-28-11 11:50 PM |
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Poor Obama, taking blame for a policy his Admin upheld... |
MessiahRp |
Jan-27-11 11:35 PM |
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wow -- 120 proof koolaid |
Donnachaidh |
Jan-28-11 10:50 AM |
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Actually, I was thinking it was crack-cocaine....it is pretty whack, after all n/t |
TK421 |
Jan-28-11 11:55 AM |
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Are you trying to say he was looking to be the victim? If so, that is lame |
TK421 |
Jan-28-11 11:54 AM |
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OMFG. Beyond reprehensible. Unbelievable. n/t |
keepCAblue |
Jan-28-11 12:06 PM |
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I think Obama signed the letter himself... |
SidDithers |
Jan-27-11 02:23 PM |
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THEN CHARGED HIM FOR THE GOVT. OFFENSE? |
Ichingcarpenter |
Jan-27-11 04:08 PM |
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Kick & Rec. Some of the replies in this thread |
TriMera |
Jan-27-11 02:29 PM |
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Got to protect the brand. |
Forkboy |
Jan-27-11 02:36 PM |
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I smoke L&M cigs because its a little higher quality |
Ichingcarpenter |
Jan-27-11 04:05 PM |
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Jan-27-11 04:12 PM |
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Wow. Can't believe people attacking Choi on this. He's wrong? How, exactly? |
DirkGently |
Jan-27-11 02:37 PM |
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He's not genuflecting properly. |
Forkboy |
Jan-27-11 02:42 PM |
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Did Choi try to reach out first before... |
JuniperLea |
Jan-27-11 02:42 PM |
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Probably the fault of some payroll clerk in the middle of nowhere... |
SidDithers |
Jan-27-11 02:49 PM |
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Jan-27-11 02:52 PM |
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Jan-27-11 02:55 PM |
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Hey, stop harshing the buzz. nt |
sufrommich |
Jan-27-11 02:55 PM |
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I guess it's possible that the Joint Chiefs met and Obama specifically ordered them to charge Lt. Ch |
Still a Democrat |
Jan-27-11 03:03 PM |
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It's so funny to bash GLBT advocates. |
EFerrari |
Jan-27-11 03:06 PM |
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Advocates I back, but we're in knee jerk territory |
Still a Democrat |
Jan-27-11 03:32 PM |
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"we're in knee jerk territory" |
Forkboy |
Jan-27-11 03:34 PM |
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Adding insulting to bashing? |
EFerrari |
Jan-27-11 03:34 PM |
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Jan-27-11 03:35 PM |
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Jan-27-11 04:14 PM |
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LOL |
JuniperLea |
Jan-27-11 03:41 PM |
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It was part of Obama's dastardly plan all along! |
Radical Activist |
Jan-27-11 04:27 PM |
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Some of these responses are downright embarassing for DU. Shameful. n/t |
demmiblue |
Jan-27-11 02:45 PM |
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+1000 n/t |
FreeState |
Jan-27-11 03:02 PM |
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Sadly typical these days. n/t |
Starry Messenger |
Jan-27-11 04:11 PM |
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The OP was embarassing for DU...nt |
SidDithers |
Jan-27-11 04:30 PM |
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Could someone with a little bit of knowledge in how this works |
maxrandb |
Jan-27-11 02:45 PM |
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"They want some of it back" - gay servicemembers did not choose not to "fulfill that contract" |
Bluebear |
Jan-27-11 02:46 PM |
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Doesn't matter |
maxrandb |
Jan-27-11 03:03 PM |
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If the contract was illegal in the first place, it does matter. n/t |
EFerrari |
Jan-27-11 03:07 PM |
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I don't think the DADT policy has ever been declared "illegal", |
hughee99 |
Jan-27-11 04:24 PM |
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I don't think it has either but discriminating on that basis |
EFerrari |
Jan-27-11 04:29 PM |
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I completely agree. |
hughee99 |
Jan-28-11 12:54 PM |
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Um, it was declared UNCONSTITUTIONAL. n/t |
keepCAblue |
Jan-28-11 12:08 PM |
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After which, the USSC issued an order allowing DADT to continue pending appeal. |
hughee99 |
Jan-28-11 12:53 PM |
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Except it is a bill and it doesn't take into account the costs |
EFerrari |
Jan-27-11 02:49 PM |
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You're allowing your emotions to cloud the facts |
maxrandb |
Jan-27-11 03:14 PM |
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No, actually you are allowing your emotions to cloud |
TriMera |
Jan-27-11 03:18 PM |
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If you take DADT out of the equation |
maxrandb |
Jan-27-11 03:32 PM |
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The thing is that DADT is the sum of the equation. n/t |
TriMera |
Jan-27-11 03:37 PM |
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Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how did you like the play? n/t |
QC |
Jan-27-11 04:18 PM |
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LOL |
EFerrari |
Jan-27-11 04:24 PM |
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It's not as if he committed a crime or was even let go due to force shaping |
NuclearDem |
Jan-27-11 04:28 PM |
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I wonder how you know my emotional state? |
EFerrari |
Jan-27-11 03:25 PM |
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Jan-27-11 02:49 PM |
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All well and good if he went "Sarah Palin" on his contract and fucking quit! |
bullwinkle428 |
Jan-27-11 02:52 PM |
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Again, what his intentions are don't matter |
maxrandb |
Jan-27-11 03:23 PM |
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Intentions do matter in contracts.n/t |
EFerrari |
Jan-27-11 03:48 PM |
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I was involuntarily discharged back in '90 and had to pay back several thousand... |
Kaleva |
Jan-27-11 02:45 PM |
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Why were you discharged? It's quite pertinent to the discussion of you compare yourself to Choi. |
Bluebear |
Jan-27-11 02:47 PM |
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Same thing happened with me |
NuclearDem |
Jan-27-11 02:49 PM |
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It's apples to apples and I'll explain why. |
Kaleva |
Jan-27-11 03:30 PM |
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The military regularly demands partial repayment of enlistment or reenlistment |
struggle4progress |
Jan-27-11 03:11 PM |
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My thinking is just fine, thanks. n/t |
EFerrari |
Jan-27-11 03:12 PM |
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I'm certainly glad to hear that. So maybe you can shed light on some of my questions: |
struggle4progress |
Jan-27-11 03:32 PM |
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Since you are more interested in the details of Dan's case and not this topic |
EFerrari |
Jan-27-11 03:35 PM |
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He absolutely would |
maxrandb |
Jan-27-11 03:36 PM |
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Speculate much? n/t |
TriMera |
Jan-27-11 03:41 PM |
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Our government makes me sick on so many levels. |
sarcasmo |
Jan-27-11 03:19 PM |
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I'm betting that President Obama doesn't know anything about |
MineralMan |
Jan-27-11 03:24 PM |
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+1...nt |
SidDithers |
Jan-27-11 03:26 PM |
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It's interesting to see some of you take this letter so literally. |
EFerrari |
Jan-27-11 03:31 PM |
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You know, I'm not saying that Choi is attacking President Obama. |
MineralMan |
Jan-27-11 03:35 PM |
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I think the Obama administration is sturdy enough |
EFerrari |
Jan-27-11 03:39 PM |
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I have no doubt that it is. |
MineralMan |
Jan-27-11 03:42 PM |
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I would use the word "predictable" instead of "interesting". |
Forkboy |
Jan-27-11 03:35 PM |
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Here's the original headline from the link: |
MineralMan |
Jan-27-11 03:41 PM |
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So, Bluebear cleaned up the headline before posting. |
EFerrari |
Jan-27-11 03:43 PM |
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Is this a new policy created by the Obama administration? |
sufrommich |
Jan-27-11 03:44 PM |
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Is the president only responsible for policy he creates? |
EFerrari |
Jan-27-11 03:46 PM |
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Of course, that's not what I said. nt |
sufrommich |
Jan-27-11 03:48 PM |
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That is what you implied or am I misreading? |
EFerrari |
Jan-27-11 03:50 PM |
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I'm saying attributing this attempt to collect money owed to the |
sufrommich |
Jan-27-11 03:54 PM |
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Except for the part where the administration is in charge of the Pentagon.n/t |
EFerrari |
Jan-27-11 04:00 PM |
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No, but the policy that will prevent this from happening in the future was created by the Obama adm. |
phleshdef |
Jan-27-11 04:12 PM |
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"cleaned up?" |
Bobbie Jo |
Jan-27-11 03:47 PM |
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Well then, softened? This was the headline: |
EFerrari |
Jan-27-11 03:49 PM |
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I liked Americablog's headline more than the "Shove it!!" headline.... |
Bluebear |
Jan-27-11 08:55 PM |
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"Shove it" doesn't sound like a story about Dan, anyway. n/t |
EFerrari |
Jan-27-11 08:57 PM |
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Here you are darling. |
Bluebear |
Jan-27-11 08:54 PM |
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Oh, OK. I've said what I have to say. |
MineralMan |
Jan-27-11 04:00 PM |
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Right and Choi is taking advantage of his fame and personal contact |
treestar |
Jan-27-11 04:18 PM |
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For others in the same sittuation. That is his role, precisely. n/t |
EFerrari |
Jan-27-11 04:20 PM |
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Jan-27-11 04:28 PM |
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How do you know that? |
NuclearDem |
Jan-27-11 04:31 PM |
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In private, what good would that do? |
treestar |
Jan-27-11 04:35 PM |
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Which is why it only helps other people if someone who can DOES speak up |
NuclearDem |
Jan-27-11 09:15 PM |
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Jan-27-11 04:34 PM |
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well, Bluebear, this is certainly an eye opening thread!! |
jonnyblitz |
Jan-27-11 04:14 PM |
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k/r |
Solly Mack |
Jan-27-11 04:18 PM |
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Good for Dan and what did you end up changing? |
uppityperson |
Jan-27-11 09:04 PM |
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Just took out a paragraph |
Bluebear |
Jan-27-11 10:58 PM |
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More regarding the issue on the link below |
Tx4obama |
Jan-27-11 09:04 PM |
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Thank you Bluebear. |
Major Hogwash |
Jan-27-11 11:05 PM |
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Thank you for your support, MH |
Bluebear |
Jan-27-11 11:06 PM |
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Choi is not being singled out. It's the rule that just hasn't been changed yet. n/t |
Tx4obama |
Jan-28-11 01:30 AM |
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Exactly right... |
JuniperLea |
Jan-28-11 11:47 AM |
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Disgusting. Rec'd. n/t |
Catherina |
Jan-28-11 01:32 AM |
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