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Obama administration demands Dan Choi pay $2500 for DADT discharge
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Edited on Thu Jan-27-11 08:50 PM by Bluebear
The Defense Department, after discharging gay soldiers under the Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell policy, apparently sends them bills requiring them to pay back “unearned portions” of their contracts. High-profile discharged soldier Dan Choi received his bill this week from Defense Department Finance and Debt Services in the amount of $2,500. He sent a strongly worded letter to White House Public Engagement Director Brian Bond explaining why he wasn’t going to pay. “It would be easy to pay the $2500 bill and be swiftly done with this diseased chapter of my life,” he wrote. “…But my obligation is to take a stand… I refuse to pay your claim.”

The U.S. Military spent roughly $200 million on Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell since its implementation nearly two decades ago, recruiting, training, investigating and replacing gay service members. If Choi’s bill is any indication, the government has been, in effect, heaping on bureaucratic injury to insult by demanding discharged gay soldiers help foot the bill the whole time.

“By flagrantly and repeatedly violating an immoral law, I have flagrantly and repeatedly saluted the honor of America’s promise,” Choi wrote in his “screw you” letter to the White House. “At West Point, when we recited the Cadet Prayer we reminded ourselves ‘always to choose the harder right over the easier wrong.’”

Now that Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell has been repealed, will Choi and all of the other discharged gay soldiers still be forced to pay? Or will the government be made to pay reparations to the gay soldiers it discharged under the policy and whom it apparently billed for the pleasure?

The letter:

Dear Mr. President:

Today I received a $2,500 bill from your Defense Department Finance and Debt Services. Specifically, you claim payment for “the unearned portion” of my Army contract. Six months after my discharge under the Don’t Ask Don’t Tell policy I have tried to move forward with my life, and I was inspired by your clarion calls for our progress as one nation towards a more just society. I have served my country in combat and I have tried to live my life by the values I learned at West Point in continued service to our nation. To move forward in my own life I have finally sought treatment for Combat Post Traumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD), Military Sexual Trauma (MST), Insomnia, and Depressive Disorder from the Veterans Affairs Department. But I still find myself on a domestic battlefield for basic dignity as an American citizen. I know I am not alone in this fight because of the desperate cries for help I get from discharged, unemployed, discriminated, and suicidal veterans. I have felt all of their same pains personally. Today I also witness the disgrace of a country that perpetually discovers methods to punish its own citizens for taking a moral stand.

By flagrantly and repeatedly violating an immoral law, I have flagrantly and repeatedly saluted the honor of America’s promise. At West Point, when we recited the Cadet Prayer we reminded ourselves “always to choose the harder right over the easier wrong.” It would be easy to pay the $2500 bill and be swiftly done with this diseased chapter of my life, where I sinfully deceived and tolerated self-hatred under Don’t Ask Don’t Tell. Many thousands have wrestled with their responsibilities and expedient solutions when confronted with issues of this magnitude. I understand you also wrestle with issues of our equality. But I choose to cease wrestling, to cease the excuses, to cease the philosophical grandstanding and ethical gymnastics of political expediency in the face of moral duty. My obligations to take a stand, knowing all the continued consequences of my violations, are clear.

I refuse to pay your claim.

Respectfully,
Dan Choi
Former Army First Lieutenant
West Point Class of 2003

Attached:
DFAS Account Statement 12/20/2010 (2 pages)


http://coloradoindependent.com/73189/shove-it-dan-choi-...
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  -Obama administration demands Dan Choi pay $2500 for DADT discharge Bluebear  Jan-27-11 01:49 PM   #0 
  - What in the holy fucking hell?  Lucky 13   Jan-27-11 01:56 PM   #1 
  - Shame on Choi - easier for him to be a perpetual victim, apparently  Still a Democrat   Jan-27-11 02:03 PM   #2 
  - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Jan-27-11 02:04 PM   #3 
  - ....  Forkboy   Jan-27-11 02:10 PM   #4 
  - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Jan-27-11 02:11 PM   #5 
  - How does standing up for yourself and for the civil rights of millions of Americans  EFerrari   Jan-27-11 02:13 PM   #6 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jan-27-11 02:20 PM   #10 
     - Again, the consequences of that bigoted policy are still being felt  EFerrari   Jan-27-11 02:24 PM   #15 
     - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Jan-27-11 02:30 PM   #19 
     - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Jan-27-11 02:27 PM   #16 
     - Ye gods, how many enlisted men do you think have $2500 just laying around?  sudopod   Jan-27-11 04:33 PM   #120 
        - Not that it matters, but Dan Choi is an officer and a graduate of the USMA.  11 Bravo   Jan-27-11 08:59 PM   #127 
  - Look, I'm an Obama fan...  NuclearDem   Jan-27-11 02:15 PM   #7 
  - I'm not crazy about the $2500 either  Still a Democrat   Jan-27-11 02:20 PM   #11 
     - Obama's the Commander in Chief  NuclearDem   Jan-27-11 02:22 PM   #13 
        - You see no grandstanding or attempt to embarrass Obama?  Still a Democrat   Jan-27-11 02:29 PM   #18 
        - He's giving Obama a lesson in leadership and making tough choices  NuclearDem   Jan-27-11 02:32 PM   #20 
        - How brittle do you think the president is, anyway?  EFerrari   Jan-27-11 02:36 PM   #22 
           - Not brittle, but I've shown you Choi is grandstanding  Still a Democrat   Jan-27-11 02:55 PM   #42 
              - Um, you used a descriptor that I don't agree with.  EFerrari   Jan-27-11 02:57 PM   #43 
        - Unless this was his first action...  JuniperLea   Jan-27-11 02:43 PM   #27 
           - Why should he not write a public letter?  EFerrari   Jan-27-11 02:46 PM   #31 
              - I'm not sure where you are getting that from...  JuniperLea   Jan-27-11 03:42 PM   #80 
                 - I was asking. Dan Choi was writing to an issue  EFerrari   Jan-27-11 03:52 PM   #89 
                    - Please pay attention... this is frustrating...  JuniperLea   Jan-27-11 04:04 PM   #93 
                       - Do you think Dan Choi would not have written a letter on this problem  EFerrari   Jan-27-11 04:09 PM   #96 
                          - No, you aren't paying attention at all....  JuniperLea   Jan-27-11 04:27 PM   #113 
                             - It is ridiculous that he would get a letter like that.  EFerrari   Jan-27-11 04:31 PM   #119 
  - Wow. I wish I could write what I am thinking.  demmiblue   Jan-27-11 02:19 PM   #8 
  - It's OK. In this new world, the politician is the victim.  Bluebear   Jan-27-11 02:21 PM   #12 
  - I forgot to put that one on "ignore"  Lorien   Jan-28-11 01:29 AM   #137 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Jan-28-11 03:35 PM   #148 
  - Interesting that you try to spin it as if Obama is the victim in this incident..  girl gone mad   Jan-27-11 02:20 PM   #9 
  - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Jan-27-11 02:32 PM   #21 
  - You're right. He just doesn't DESERVE OBAMA  Smashcut   Jan-27-11 02:59 PM   #44 
  - OMG  Dappleganger   Jan-27-11 03:19 PM   #55 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jan-27-11 03:24 PM   # 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jan-27-11 04:10 PM   #97 
  - Every Slave should have paid to be free from the system.  Ichingcarpenter   Jan-27-11 03:32 PM   #62 
  - BULLSHIT  Hannah Bell   Jan-27-11 03:32 PM   #63 
  - Dan Choi never really loved Him!  QC   Jan-27-11 04:13 PM   #101 
  - ---  Bluebear   Jan-27-11 08:52 PM   #123 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jan-27-11 09:20 PM   #131 
  - The Shame belongs on you.  donheld   Jan-27-11 10:24 PM   #132 
  - +  Bluebear   Jan-28-11 11:50 PM   #149 
  - Poor Obama, taking blame for a policy his Admin upheld...  MessiahRp   Jan-27-11 11:35 PM   #136 
  - wow -- 120 proof koolaid  Donnachaidh   Jan-28-11 10:50 AM   #140 
  - Actually, I was thinking it was crack-cocaine....it is pretty whack, after all n/t  TK421   Jan-28-11 11:55 AM   #143 
  - Are you trying to say he was looking to be the victim? If so, that is lame  TK421   Jan-28-11 11:54 AM   #142 
  - OMFG. Beyond reprehensible. Unbelievable. n/t  keepCAblue   Jan-28-11 12:06 PM   #144 
  - I think Obama signed the letter himself...  SidDithers   Jan-27-11 02:23 PM   #14 
  - THEN CHARGED HIM FOR THE GOVT. OFFENSE?  Ichingcarpenter   Jan-27-11 04:08 PM   #95 
  - Kick & Rec. Some of the replies in this thread  TriMera   Jan-27-11 02:29 PM   #17 
  - Got to protect the brand.  Forkboy   Jan-27-11 02:36 PM   #23 
  - I smoke L&M cigs because its a little higher quality  Ichingcarpenter   Jan-27-11 04:05 PM   #94 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jan-27-11 04:12 PM   #99 
  - Wow. Can't believe people attacking Choi on this. He's wrong? How, exactly?  DirkGently   Jan-27-11 02:37 PM   #24 
  - He's not genuflecting properly.  Forkboy   Jan-27-11 02:42 PM   #26 
  - Did Choi try to reach out first before...  JuniperLea   Jan-27-11 02:42 PM   #25 
  - Probably the fault of some payroll clerk in the middle of nowhere...  SidDithers   Jan-27-11 02:49 PM   #34 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Jan-27-11 02:52 PM   #38 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Jan-27-11 02:55 PM   #40 
     - Hey, stop harshing the buzz. nt  sufrommich   Jan-27-11 02:55 PM   #41 
     - I guess it's possible that the Joint Chiefs met and Obama specifically ordered them to charge Lt. Ch  Still a Democrat   Jan-27-11 03:03 PM   #46 
     - It's so funny to bash GLBT advocates.  EFerrari   Jan-27-11 03:06 PM   #48 
        - Advocates I back, but we're in knee jerk territory  Still a Democrat   Jan-27-11 03:32 PM   #66 
           - "we're in knee jerk territory"  Forkboy   Jan-27-11 03:34 PM   #67 
           - Adding insulting to bashing?  EFerrari   Jan-27-11 03:34 PM   #68 
           - Deleted message  Name removed   Jan-27-11 03:35 PM   #70 
           - Deleted message  Name removed   Jan-27-11 04:14 PM   #103 
     - LOL  JuniperLea   Jan-27-11 03:41 PM   #76 
     - It was part of Obama's dastardly plan all along!  Radical Activist   Jan-27-11 04:27 PM   #112 
  - Some of these responses are downright embarassing for DU. Shameful. n/t  demmiblue   Jan-27-11 02:45 PM   #28 
  - +1000 n/t  FreeState   Jan-27-11 03:02 PM   #45 
  - Sadly typical these days. n/t  Starry Messenger   Jan-27-11 04:11 PM   #98 
  - The OP was embarassing for DU...nt  SidDithers   Jan-27-11 04:30 PM   #117 
  - Could someone with a little bit of knowledge in how this works  maxrandb   Jan-27-11 02:45 PM   #29 
  - "They want some of it back" - gay servicemembers did not choose not to "fulfill that contract"  Bluebear   Jan-27-11 02:46 PM   #32 
  - Doesn't matter  maxrandb   Jan-27-11 03:03 PM   #47 
     - If the contract was illegal in the first place, it does matter. n/t  EFerrari   Jan-27-11 03:07 PM   #49 
        - I don't think the DADT policy has ever been declared "illegal",  hughee99   Jan-27-11 04:24 PM   #110 
           - I don't think it has either but discriminating on that basis  EFerrari   Jan-27-11 04:29 PM   #116 
           - I completely agree.  hughee99   Jan-28-11 12:54 PM   #147 
           - Um, it was declared UNCONSTITUTIONAL. n/t  keepCAblue   Jan-28-11 12:08 PM   #145 
              - After which, the USSC issued an order allowing DADT to continue pending appeal.  hughee99   Jan-28-11 12:53 PM   #146 
  - Except it is a bill and it doesn't take into account the costs  EFerrari   Jan-27-11 02:49 PM   #35 
  - You're allowing your emotions to cloud the facts  maxrandb   Jan-27-11 03:14 PM   #52 
     - No, actually you are allowing your emotions to cloud  TriMera   Jan-27-11 03:18 PM   #53 
     - If you take DADT out of the equation  maxrandb   Jan-27-11 03:32 PM   #65 
        - The thing is that DADT is the sum of the equation. n/t  TriMera   Jan-27-11 03:37 PM   #74 
        - Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how did you like the play? n/t  QC   Jan-27-11 04:18 PM   #104 
        - LOL  EFerrari   Jan-27-11 04:24 PM   #111 
        - It's not as if he committed a crime or was even let go due to force shaping  NuclearDem   Jan-27-11 04:28 PM   #114 
     - I wonder how you know my emotional state?  EFerrari   Jan-27-11 03:25 PM   #58 
  - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Jan-27-11 02:49 PM   #36 
  - All well and good if he went "Sarah Palin" on his contract and fucking quit!  bullwinkle428   Jan-27-11 02:52 PM   #39 
     - Again, what his intentions are don't matter  maxrandb   Jan-27-11 03:23 PM   #56 
        - Intentions do matter in contracts.n/t  EFerrari   Jan-27-11 03:48 PM   #85 
  - I was involuntarily discharged back in '90 and had to pay back several thousand...  Kaleva   Jan-27-11 02:45 PM   #30 
  - Why were you discharged? It's quite pertinent to the discussion of you compare yourself to Choi.  Bluebear   Jan-27-11 02:47 PM   #33 
  - Same thing happened with me  NuclearDem   Jan-27-11 02:49 PM   #37 
     - It's apples to apples and I'll explain why.  Kaleva   Jan-27-11 03:30 PM   #60 
  - The military regularly demands partial repayment of enlistment or reenlistment  struggle4progress   Jan-27-11 03:11 PM   #50 
  - My thinking is just fine, thanks. n/t  EFerrari   Jan-27-11 03:12 PM   #51 
     - I'm certainly glad to hear that. So maybe you can shed light on some of my questions:  struggle4progress   Jan-27-11 03:32 PM   #64 
        - Since you are more interested in the details of Dan's case and not this topic  EFerrari   Jan-27-11 03:35 PM   #71 
        - He absolutely would  maxrandb   Jan-27-11 03:36 PM   #73 
           - Speculate much? n/t  TriMera   Jan-27-11 03:41 PM   #78 
  - Our government makes me sick on so many levels.  sarcasmo   Jan-27-11 03:19 PM   #54 
  - I'm betting that President Obama doesn't know anything about  MineralMan   Jan-27-11 03:24 PM   #57 
  - +1...nt  SidDithers   Jan-27-11 03:26 PM   #59 
  - It's interesting to see some of you take this letter so literally.  EFerrari   Jan-27-11 03:31 PM   #61 
  - You know, I'm not saying that Choi is attacking President Obama.  MineralMan   Jan-27-11 03:35 PM   #69 
  - I think the Obama administration is sturdy enough  EFerrari   Jan-27-11 03:39 PM   #75 
     - I have no doubt that it is.  MineralMan   Jan-27-11 03:42 PM   #79 
  - I would use the word "predictable" instead of "interesting".  Forkboy   Jan-27-11 03:35 PM   #72 
  - Here's the original headline from the link:  MineralMan   Jan-27-11 03:41 PM   #77 
     - So, Bluebear cleaned up the headline before posting.  EFerrari   Jan-27-11 03:43 PM   #81 
        - Is this a new policy created by the Obama administration?  sufrommich   Jan-27-11 03:44 PM   #82 
        - Is the president only responsible for policy he creates?  EFerrari   Jan-27-11 03:46 PM   #83 
        - Of course, that's not what I said. nt  sufrommich   Jan-27-11 03:48 PM   #86 
           - That is what you implied or am I misreading?  EFerrari   Jan-27-11 03:50 PM   #88 
              - I'm saying attributing this attempt to collect money owed to the  sufrommich   Jan-27-11 03:54 PM   #90 
                 - Except for the part where the administration is in charge of the Pentagon.n/t  EFerrari   Jan-27-11 04:00 PM   #91 
        - No, but the policy that will prevent this from happening in the future was created by the Obama adm.  phleshdef   Jan-27-11 04:12 PM   #100 
        - "cleaned up?"  Bobbie Jo   Jan-27-11 03:47 PM   #84 
        - Well then, softened? This was the headline:  EFerrari   Jan-27-11 03:49 PM   #87 
        - I liked Americablog's headline more than the "Shove it!!" headline....  Bluebear   Jan-27-11 08:55 PM   #125 
           - "Shove it" doesn't sound like a story about Dan, anyway. n/t  EFerrari   Jan-27-11 08:57 PM   #126 
        - Here you are darling.  Bluebear   Jan-27-11 08:54 PM   #124 
        - Oh, OK. I've said what I have to say.  MineralMan   Jan-27-11 04:00 PM   #92 
  - Right and Choi is taking advantage of his fame and personal contact  treestar   Jan-27-11 04:18 PM   #105 
     - For others in the same sittuation. That is his role, precisely. n/t  EFerrari   Jan-27-11 04:20 PM   #107 
     - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Jan-27-11 04:20 PM   #108 
     - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Jan-27-11 04:22 PM   #109 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Jan-27-11 04:28 PM   #115 
     - How do you know that?  NuclearDem   Jan-27-11 04:31 PM   #118 
     - In private, what good would that do?  treestar   Jan-27-11 04:35 PM   #122 
        - Which is why it only helps other people if someone who can DOES speak up  NuclearDem   Jan-27-11 09:15 PM   #130 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Jan-27-11 04:34 PM   #121 
  - well, Bluebear, this is certainly an eye opening thread!!  jonnyblitz   Jan-27-11 04:14 PM   #102 
  - k/r  Solly Mack   Jan-27-11 04:18 PM   #106 
  - Good for Dan and what did you end up changing?  uppityperson   Jan-27-11 09:04 PM   #128 
  - Just took out a paragraph  Bluebear   Jan-27-11 10:58 PM   #133 
  - More regarding the issue on the link below  Tx4obama   Jan-27-11 09:04 PM   #129 
  - Thank you Bluebear.  Major Hogwash   Jan-27-11 11:05 PM   #134 
  - Thank you for your support, MH  Bluebear   Jan-27-11 11:06 PM   #135 
  - Choi is not being singled out. It's the rule that just hasn't been changed yet. n/t  Tx4obama   Jan-28-11 01:30 AM   #138 
     - Exactly right...  JuniperLea   Jan-28-11 11:47 AM   #141 
  - Disgusting. Rec'd. n/t  Catherina   Jan-28-11 01:32 AM   #139 
 

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