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Thu Jan-27-11 01:49 PM
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| Obama administration demands Dan Choi pay $2500 for DADT discharge |
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Edited on Thu Jan-27-11 08:50 PM by Bluebear
The Defense Department, after discharging gay soldiers under the Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell policy, apparently sends them bills requiring them to pay back “unearned portions” of their contracts. High-profile discharged soldier Dan Choi received his bill this week from Defense Department Finance and Debt Services in the amount of $2,500. He sent a strongly worded letter to White House Public Engagement Director Brian Bond explaining why he wasn’t going to pay. “It would be easy to pay the $2500 bill and be swiftly done with this diseased chapter of my life,” he wrote. “…But my obligation is to take a stand… I refuse to pay your claim.” The U.S. Military spent roughly $200 million on Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell since its implementation nearly two decades ago, recruiting, training, investigating and replacing gay service members. If Choi’s bill is any indication, the government has been, in effect, heaping on bureaucratic injury to insult by demanding discharged gay soldiers help foot the bill the whole time. “By flagrantly and repeatedly violating an immoral law, I have flagrantly and repeatedly saluted the honor of America’s promise,” Choi wrote in his “screw you” letter to the White House. “At West Point, when we recited the Cadet Prayer we reminded ourselves ‘always to choose the harder right over the easier wrong.’” Now that Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell has been repealed, will Choi and all of the other discharged gay soldiers still be forced to pay? Or will the government be made to pay reparations to the gay soldiers it discharged under the policy and whom it apparently billed for the pleasure? The letter: Dear Mr. President:
Today I received a $2,500 bill from your Defense Department Finance and Debt Services. Specifically, you claim payment for “the unearned portion” of my Army contract. Six months after my discharge under the Don’t Ask Don’t Tell policy I have tried to move forward with my life, and I was inspired by your clarion calls for our progress as one nation towards a more just society. I have served my country in combat and I have tried to live my life by the values I learned at West Point in continued service to our nation. To move forward in my own life I have finally sought treatment for Combat Post Traumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD), Military Sexual Trauma (MST), Insomnia, and Depressive Disorder from the Veterans Affairs Department. But I still find myself on a domestic battlefield for basic dignity as an American citizen. I know I am not alone in this fight because of the desperate cries for help I get from discharged, unemployed, discriminated, and suicidal veterans. I have felt all of their same pains personally. Today I also witness the disgrace of a country that perpetually discovers methods to punish its own citizens for taking a moral stand.
By flagrantly and repeatedly violating an immoral law, I have flagrantly and repeatedly saluted the honor of America’s promise. At West Point, when we recited the Cadet Prayer we reminded ourselves “always to choose the harder right over the easier wrong.” It would be easy to pay the $2500 bill and be swiftly done with this diseased chapter of my life, where I sinfully deceived and tolerated self-hatred under Don’t Ask Don’t Tell. Many thousands have wrestled with their responsibilities and expedient solutions when confronted with issues of this magnitude. I understand you also wrestle with issues of our equality. But I choose to cease wrestling, to cease the excuses, to cease the philosophical grandstanding and ethical gymnastics of political expediency in the face of moral duty. My obligations to take a stand, knowing all the continued consequences of my violations, are clear.
I refuse to pay your claim.
Respectfully, Dan Choi Former Army First Lieutenant West Point Class of 2003
Attached: DFAS Account Statement 12/20/2010 (2 pages) http://coloradoindependent.com/73189/shove-it-dan-choi-...
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| -Obama administration demands Dan Choi pay $2500 for DADT discharge |
Bluebear |
Jan-27-11 01:49 PM |
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What in the holy fucking hell? |
Lucky 13 |
Jan-27-11 01:56 PM |
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Shame on Choi - easier for him to be a perpetual victim, apparently |
Still a Democrat |
Jan-27-11 02:03 PM |
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Jan-27-11 02:04 PM |
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.... |
Forkboy |
Jan-27-11 02:10 PM |
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Jan-27-11 02:11 PM |
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How does standing up for yourself and for the civil rights of millions of Americans |
EFerrari |
Jan-27-11 02:13 PM |
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Jan-27-11 02:20 PM |
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Again, the consequences of that bigoted policy are still being felt |
EFerrari |
Jan-27-11 02:24 PM |
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Jan-27-11 02:30 PM |
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Jan-27-11 02:27 PM |
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Ye gods, how many enlisted men do you think have $2500 just laying around? |
sudopod |
Jan-27-11 04:33 PM |
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Not that it matters, but Dan Choi is an officer and a graduate of the USMA. |
11 Bravo |
Jan-27-11 08:59 PM |
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Look, I'm an Obama fan... |
NuclearDem |
Jan-27-11 02:15 PM |
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I'm not crazy about the $2500 either |
Still a Democrat |
Jan-27-11 02:20 PM |
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Obama's the Commander in Chief |
NuclearDem |
Jan-27-11 02:22 PM |
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You see no grandstanding or attempt to embarrass Obama? |
Still a Democrat |
Jan-27-11 02:29 PM |
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He's giving Obama a lesson in leadership and making tough choices |
NuclearDem |
Jan-27-11 02:32 PM |
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How brittle do you think the president is, anyway? |
EFerrari |
Jan-27-11 02:36 PM |
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Not brittle, but I've shown you Choi is grandstanding |
Still a Democrat |
Jan-27-11 02:55 PM |
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Um, you used a descriptor that I don't agree with. |
EFerrari |
Jan-27-11 02:57 PM |
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Unless this was his first action... |
JuniperLea |
Jan-27-11 02:43 PM |
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Why should he not write a public letter? |
EFerrari |
Jan-27-11 02:46 PM |
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I'm not sure where you are getting that from... |
JuniperLea |
Jan-27-11 03:42 PM |
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I was asking. Dan Choi was writing to an issue |
EFerrari |
Jan-27-11 03:52 PM |
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Please pay attention... this is frustrating... |
JuniperLea |
Jan-27-11 04:04 PM |
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Do you think Dan Choi would not have written a letter on this problem |
EFerrari |
Jan-27-11 04:09 PM |
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No, you aren't paying attention at all.... |
JuniperLea |
Jan-27-11 04:27 PM |
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It is ridiculous that he would get a letter like that. |
EFerrari |
Jan-27-11 04:31 PM |
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Wow. I wish I could write what I am thinking. |
demmiblue |
Jan-27-11 02:19 PM |
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It's OK. In this new world, the politician is the victim. |
Bluebear |
Jan-27-11 02:21 PM |
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I forgot to put that one on "ignore" |
Lorien |
Jan-28-11 01:29 AM |
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Jan-28-11 03:35 PM |
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Interesting that you try to spin it as if Obama is the victim in this incident.. |
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Jan-27-11 02:20 PM |
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Jan-27-11 02:32 PM |
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You're right. He just doesn't DESERVE OBAMA |
Smashcut |
Jan-27-11 02:59 PM |
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OMG |
Dappleganger |
Jan-27-11 03:19 PM |
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Jan-27-11 03:24 PM |
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Jan-27-11 04:10 PM |
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Every Slave should have paid to be free from the system. |
Ichingcarpenter |
Jan-27-11 03:32 PM |
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BULLSHIT |
Hannah Bell |
Jan-27-11 03:32 PM |
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Dan Choi never really loved Him! |
QC |
Jan-27-11 04:13 PM |
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Bluebear |
Jan-27-11 08:52 PM |
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Jan-27-11 09:20 PM |
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The Shame belongs on you. |
donheld |
Jan-27-11 10:24 PM |
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+ |
Bluebear |
Jan-28-11 11:50 PM |
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Poor Obama, taking blame for a policy his Admin upheld... |
MessiahRp |
Jan-27-11 11:35 PM |
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wow -- 120 proof koolaid |
Donnachaidh |
Jan-28-11 10:50 AM |
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Actually, I was thinking it was crack-cocaine....it is pretty whack, after all n/t |
TK421 |
Jan-28-11 11:55 AM |
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Are you trying to say he was looking to be the victim? If so, that is lame |
TK421 |
Jan-28-11 11:54 AM |
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OMFG. Beyond reprehensible. Unbelievable. n/t |
keepCAblue |
Jan-28-11 12:06 PM |
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I think Obama signed the letter himself... |
SidDithers |
Jan-27-11 02:23 PM |
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THEN CHARGED HIM FOR THE GOVT. OFFENSE? |
Ichingcarpenter |
Jan-27-11 04:08 PM |
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Kick & Rec. Some of the replies in this thread |
TriMera |
Jan-27-11 02:29 PM |
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Got to protect the brand. |
Forkboy |
Jan-27-11 02:36 PM |
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I smoke L&M cigs because its a little higher quality |
Ichingcarpenter |
Jan-27-11 04:05 PM |
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Jan-27-11 04:12 PM |
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Wow. Can't believe people attacking Choi on this. He's wrong? How, exactly? |
DirkGently |
Jan-27-11 02:37 PM |
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He's not genuflecting properly. |
Forkboy |
Jan-27-11 02:42 PM |
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Did Choi try to reach out first before... |
JuniperLea |
Jan-27-11 02:42 PM |
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Probably the fault of some payroll clerk in the middle of nowhere... |
SidDithers |
Jan-27-11 02:49 PM |
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Jan-27-11 02:55 PM |
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Hey, stop harshing the buzz. nt |
sufrommich |
Jan-27-11 02:55 PM |
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I guess it's possible that the Joint Chiefs met and Obama specifically ordered them to charge Lt. Ch |
Still a Democrat |
Jan-27-11 03:03 PM |
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It's so funny to bash GLBT advocates. |
EFerrari |
Jan-27-11 03:06 PM |
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Advocates I back, but we're in knee jerk territory |
Still a Democrat |
Jan-27-11 03:32 PM |
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"we're in knee jerk territory" |
Forkboy |
Jan-27-11 03:34 PM |
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Adding insulting to bashing? |
EFerrari |
Jan-27-11 03:34 PM |
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Jan-27-11 03:35 PM |
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Jan-27-11 04:14 PM |
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LOL |
JuniperLea |
Jan-27-11 03:41 PM |
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It was part of Obama's dastardly plan all along! |
Radical Activist |
Jan-27-11 04:27 PM |
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Some of these responses are downright embarassing for DU. Shameful. n/t |
demmiblue |
Jan-27-11 02:45 PM |
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+1000 n/t |
FreeState |
Jan-27-11 03:02 PM |
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Sadly typical these days. n/t |
Starry Messenger |
Jan-27-11 04:11 PM |
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The OP was embarassing for DU...nt |
SidDithers |
Jan-27-11 04:30 PM |
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Could someone with a little bit of knowledge in how this works |
maxrandb |
Jan-27-11 02:45 PM |
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"They want some of it back" - gay servicemembers did not choose not to "fulfill that contract" |
Bluebear |
Jan-27-11 02:46 PM |
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Doesn't matter |
maxrandb |
Jan-27-11 03:03 PM |
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If the contract was illegal in the first place, it does matter. n/t |
EFerrari |
Jan-27-11 03:07 PM |
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I don't think the DADT policy has ever been declared "illegal", |
hughee99 |
Jan-27-11 04:24 PM |
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I don't think it has either but discriminating on that basis |
EFerrari |
Jan-27-11 04:29 PM |
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I completely agree. |
hughee99 |
Jan-28-11 12:54 PM |
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Um, it was declared UNCONSTITUTIONAL. n/t |
keepCAblue |
Jan-28-11 12:08 PM |
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After which, the USSC issued an order allowing DADT to continue pending appeal. |
hughee99 |
Jan-28-11 12:53 PM |
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Except it is a bill and it doesn't take into account the costs |
EFerrari |
Jan-27-11 02:49 PM |
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You're allowing your emotions to cloud the facts |
maxrandb |
Jan-27-11 03:14 PM |
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No, actually you are allowing your emotions to cloud |
TriMera |
Jan-27-11 03:18 PM |
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If you take DADT out of the equation |
maxrandb |
Jan-27-11 03:32 PM |
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The thing is that DADT is the sum of the equation. n/t |
TriMera |
Jan-27-11 03:37 PM |
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Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how did you like the play? n/t |
QC |
Jan-27-11 04:18 PM |
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LOL |
EFerrari |
Jan-27-11 04:24 PM |
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It's not as if he committed a crime or was even let go due to force shaping |
NuclearDem |
Jan-27-11 04:28 PM |
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I wonder how you know my emotional state? |
EFerrari |
Jan-27-11 03:25 PM |
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Jan-27-11 02:49 PM |
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All well and good if he went "Sarah Palin" on his contract and fucking quit! |
bullwinkle428 |
Jan-27-11 02:52 PM |
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Again, what his intentions are don't matter |
maxrandb |
Jan-27-11 03:23 PM |
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Intentions do matter in contracts.n/t |
EFerrari |
Jan-27-11 03:48 PM |
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I was involuntarily discharged back in '90 and had to pay back several thousand... |
Kaleva |
Jan-27-11 02:45 PM |
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Why were you discharged? It's quite pertinent to the discussion of you compare yourself to Choi. |
Bluebear |
Jan-27-11 02:47 PM |
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Same thing happened with me |
NuclearDem |
Jan-27-11 02:49 PM |
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It's apples to apples and I'll explain why. |
Kaleva |
Jan-27-11 03:30 PM |
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The military regularly demands partial repayment of enlistment or reenlistment |
struggle4progress |
Jan-27-11 03:11 PM |
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My thinking is just fine, thanks. n/t |
EFerrari |
Jan-27-11 03:12 PM |
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I'm certainly glad to hear that. So maybe you can shed light on some of my questions: |
struggle4progress |
Jan-27-11 03:32 PM |
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Since you are more interested in the details of Dan's case and not this topic |
EFerrari |
Jan-27-11 03:35 PM |
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He absolutely would |
maxrandb |
Jan-27-11 03:36 PM |
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Speculate much? n/t |
TriMera |
Jan-27-11 03:41 PM |
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Our government makes me sick on so many levels. |
sarcasmo |
Jan-27-11 03:19 PM |
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I'm betting that President Obama doesn't know anything about |
MineralMan |
Jan-27-11 03:24 PM |
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+1...nt |
SidDithers |
Jan-27-11 03:26 PM |
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It's interesting to see some of you take this letter so literally. |
EFerrari |
Jan-27-11 03:31 PM |
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You know, I'm not saying that Choi is attacking President Obama. |
MineralMan |
Jan-27-11 03:35 PM |
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I think the Obama administration is sturdy enough |
EFerrari |
Jan-27-11 03:39 PM |
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I have no doubt that it is. |
MineralMan |
Jan-27-11 03:42 PM |
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I would use the word "predictable" instead of "interesting". |
Forkboy |
Jan-27-11 03:35 PM |
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Here's the original headline from the link: |
MineralMan |
Jan-27-11 03:41 PM |
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So, Bluebear cleaned up the headline before posting. |
EFerrari |
Jan-27-11 03:43 PM |
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Is this a new policy created by the Obama administration? |
sufrommich |
Jan-27-11 03:44 PM |
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Is the president only responsible for policy he creates? |
EFerrari |
Jan-27-11 03:46 PM |
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Of course, that's not what I said. nt |
sufrommich |
Jan-27-11 03:48 PM |
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That is what you implied or am I misreading? |
EFerrari |
Jan-27-11 03:50 PM |
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I'm saying attributing this attempt to collect money owed to the |
sufrommich |
Jan-27-11 03:54 PM |
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Except for the part where the administration is in charge of the Pentagon.n/t |
EFerrari |
Jan-27-11 04:00 PM |
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No, but the policy that will prevent this from happening in the future was created by the Obama adm. |
phleshdef |
Jan-27-11 04:12 PM |
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"cleaned up?" |
Bobbie Jo |
Jan-27-11 03:47 PM |
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Well then, softened? This was the headline: |
EFerrari |
Jan-27-11 03:49 PM |
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I liked Americablog's headline more than the "Shove it!!" headline.... |
Bluebear |
Jan-27-11 08:55 PM |
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"Shove it" doesn't sound like a story about Dan, anyway. n/t |
EFerrari |
Jan-27-11 08:57 PM |
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Here you are darling. |
Bluebear |
Jan-27-11 08:54 PM |
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Oh, OK. I've said what I have to say. |
MineralMan |
Jan-27-11 04:00 PM |
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Right and Choi is taking advantage of his fame and personal contact |
treestar |
Jan-27-11 04:18 PM |
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For others in the same sittuation. That is his role, precisely. n/t |
EFerrari |
Jan-27-11 04:20 PM |
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Jan-27-11 04:28 PM |
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How do you know that? |
NuclearDem |
Jan-27-11 04:31 PM |
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In private, what good would that do? |
treestar |
Jan-27-11 04:35 PM |
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Which is why it only helps other people if someone who can DOES speak up |
NuclearDem |
Jan-27-11 09:15 PM |
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Jan-27-11 04:34 PM |
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well, Bluebear, this is certainly an eye opening thread!! |
jonnyblitz |
Jan-27-11 04:14 PM |
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k/r |
Solly Mack |
Jan-27-11 04:18 PM |
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Good for Dan and what did you end up changing? |
uppityperson |
Jan-27-11 09:04 PM |
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Just took out a paragraph |
Bluebear |
Jan-27-11 10:58 PM |
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More regarding the issue on the link below |
Tx4obama |
Jan-27-11 09:04 PM |
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Thank you Bluebear. |
Major Hogwash |
Jan-27-11 11:05 PM |
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Thank you for your support, MH |
Bluebear |
Jan-27-11 11:06 PM |
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Choi is not being singled out. It's the rule that just hasn't been changed yet. n/t |
Tx4obama |
Jan-28-11 01:30 AM |
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Exactly right... |
JuniperLea |
Jan-28-11 11:47 AM |
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Disgusting. Rec'd. n/t |
Catherina |
Jan-28-11 01:32 AM |
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