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20. What the hell's so great about being a world leader?
How about trying to follow the civilized countries of the world for a change -- the western European social democracies come to mind, along with the former Brit colonies Canada and Australia.

New Zealand's doing well, at least until some snooping petro-geologist discovers OUR OIL in a sub-oceanic puddle 20 miles off the North Island's western coast. Then they're fucked, along with the "rag heads" and "sand Ni**ers" of the middle east.

Africa's next, and Nigeria looks like it's being measured for that giant Standard-Mobil-Shell-BP-Conoco-Exxon-Unocal bullseye the rest of the world has come to know and loathe. Leadership...

Who the hell needs this country's leadership? Who ever has besides those land speculating assholes and massive property thieves who invented the "white man's burden" and "Manifest Destiny?"

Why not discuss the white man's idea of leadership with the ghosts of the 15 million original Americans who were wiped out by "guns, germs and steel," in the words of the great, great geographer and anthropologist Jared Diamond.

Read Howard Zinn's "Peoples' History..." and learn what attempted leadership gets you. It ought to be a capital crime; here, it's woven into the fabric of our wretchedly phony creation myth. We have to be the world's leader because everybody else is just too... a) lazy; b) incompetent; c) anti-capitalist; or d) all of the above.

A little fucking humility would go a long way these days, it seems to me.

But, as always, your mileage may differ. In fact, it may require wiping out all New Zealand fisheries just to keep that ol' tank topped off.


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  -Jingoistic nationalism does nothing for me. I don't want to "compete" with the world. scarletwoman  Jan-26-11 08:00 PM   #0 
  - the K and the R, but your comments so eloquently echo my own thoughts...  mike_c   Jan-26-11 08:04 PM   #1 
  - Thank you. I felt very sad last night. Nothing about poverty, nothing about how many U.S. citizens  scarletwoman   Jan-26-11 08:18 PM   #6 
     - So did I. Where was the defense of our people that are needing help?  Safetykitten   Jan-26-11 08:22 PM   #11 
     - Well, in the glorious New World Order of our Plutocrat Overlords, THEY decide who is worthy  scarletwoman   Jan-26-11 08:28 PM   #14 
     - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Jan-26-11 08:28 PM   #13 
     - he did mention jobs you just don't like the solutions offered...  Green_Lantern   Jan-27-11 04:07 PM   #179 
        - You're right. I didn't like the solutions offered.  scarletwoman   Jan-27-11 07:10 PM   #202 
           - you sure argue out of both sides of your mouth  Green_Lantern   Jan-28-11 01:17 PM   #225 
              - I don't think you bothered to read what I actually said.  scarletwoman   Jan-28-11 05:51 PM   #232 
  - What a fantastic post.  Safetykitten   Jan-26-11 08:06 PM   #2 
  - Thank you.  scarletwoman   Jan-26-11 08:19 PM   #8 
  - Scarletwoman, you have always understood.  Bonobo   Jan-26-11 08:07 PM   #3 
  - "It takes the sweat of their labor and returns very little by way of health and safety measures."  scarletwoman   Jan-26-11 08:25 PM   #12 
  - You're lucky to be able to get a spousal visa  Lydia Leftcoast   Jan-27-11 09:18 AM   #88 
  - I am lucky and...  Bonobo   Jan-27-11 04:43 PM   #185 
  - You couldn't get any type of visa for Japan?  Art_from_Ark   Jan-27-11 06:27 PM   #196 
     - Yes, but it's hard for people over 40  Lydia Leftcoast   Jan-27-11 08:04 PM   #207 
        - Oh, yeah, I forgot about that  Art_from_Ark   Jan-27-11 08:39 PM   #215 
  - Plus one!  Enthusiast   Jan-27-11 09:27 AM   #93 
  - Part of it is they want to lower population.  RandomThoughts   Jan-26-11 08:09 PM   #4 
  - Amen  chillspike   Jan-26-11 08:15 PM   #5 
  - Especially with online dating  sulphurdunn   Jan-27-11 08:11 PM   #211 
  - You don't? Well, I do.  Commie Pinko Dirtbag   Jan-26-11 08:18 PM   #7 
  - Yep. That would be enough competition for me................  socialist_n_TN   Jan-26-11 08:55 PM   #28 
  - Pretty awesome post.  TheKentuckian   Jan-26-11 08:19 PM   #9 
  - oh but you see, therein lies the rub,  Peace Monger   Jan-26-11 08:21 PM   #10 
  - Thank you. And welcome to DU.  scarletwoman   Jan-26-11 08:49 PM   #25 
     - it's not peace...it is fear..  Green_Lantern   Jan-27-11 04:15 PM   #182 
  - great post!  jonnyblitz   Jan-26-11 08:29 PM   #15 
  - Beautifully written!!!  Wind Dancer   Jan-26-11 08:32 PM   #16 
  - Thank you. (nt)  scarletwoman   Jan-26-11 09:56 PM   #47 
  - But..but..the rat race is is wholesome and someday you might have more stuff than other people.  Tierra_y_Libertad   Jan-26-11 08:33 PM   #17 
  - Remember, even if you win the rat race...  warren pease   Jan-26-11 08:39 PM   #19 
  - As old as I am now, what I most sincerely wish is to have LESS stuff.  scarletwoman   Jan-26-11 09:09 PM   #33 
  - Strongly disagree.  ThatPoetGuy   Jan-26-11 08:38 PM   #18 
  - Not sure I see your point. It hardly matters where something is invented, what matters is where  scarletwoman   Jan-26-11 09:00 PM   #32 
  - Your final "or" clause? We are there.  WinkyDink   Jan-27-11 07:35 AM   #72 
  - But...  kenfrequed   Jan-27-11 10:06 AM   #107 
  - ThatPoetGuy  JDPriestly   Jan-27-11 11:55 AM   #134 
  - You are Right. You are not alone. I agree with you  barbiegeek   Jan-27-11 02:07 PM   #160 
  - Ever heard of tarriffs? nt  sudopod   Jan-27-11 04:57 PM   #186 
  - Where is the "disagree"?  mdmc   Jan-27-11 05:48 PM   #194 
  - What the hell's so great about being a world leader?  warren pease   Jan-26-11 08:40 PM   #20 
  - you just want to wallow in the past which is just a clever way..  Green_Lantern   Jan-27-11 04:23 PM   #183 
     - Our best chance of making a better world is for the common people to throw off the parasite class  scarletwoman   Jan-27-11 07:33 PM   #206 
     - before you criticized the "elites" for deeming certain people  Green_Lantern   Jan-28-11 01:03 PM   #224 
        - "Most businesses aren't multinational corporations." And since I never said a word against any  scarletwoman   Jan-28-11 06:41 PM   #237 
     - Ordinary people are contributing to a better world all over the globe...  warren pease   Jan-28-11 01:42 PM   #227 
        - what do you even mean  Green_Lantern   Jan-28-11 02:06 PM   #229 
           - That ain't no solution  blindpig   Jan-29-11 06:45 AM   #238 
  - K&R  SammyWinstonJack   Jan-26-11 08:43 PM   #21 
  - That's a great vision, and not in conflict  ProSense   Jan-26-11 08:43 PM   #22 
  - I don't agree. The SOTU was all about "winning" -- and peppered with references to beating  scarletwoman   Jan-26-11 09:21 PM   #37 
  - "The only ones who are competing on the world stage are the OWNERS. "  ProSense   Jan-26-11 09:28 PM   #39 
  - Why don't you ask all the unemployed textile workers in S. Carolina?  scarletwoman   Jan-26-11 09:45 PM   #44 
  - That's exactly the point.  ProSense   Jan-26-11 09:59 PM   #48 
     - More than that, it must be accompanied by the WILL to take care of our own.  scarletwoman   Jan-26-11 10:09 PM   #51 
     - The Owners must not be cut out of the equation.  Dr Fate   Jan-26-11 10:18 PM   #53 
     - Which is what  ProSense   Jan-26-11 10:40 PM   #60 
     - You're making the neoliberal, supply side, "free" market argument. I reject it.  scarletwoman   Jan-26-11 11:17 PM   #62 
        - No, I'm not.  ProSense   Jan-26-11 11:26 PM   #63 
           - But  kenfrequed   Jan-28-11 01:03 PM   #223 
     - "As long as the situation is framed as 'competition', the ordinary U.S. worker is going to lose."  RufusTFirefly   Jan-27-11 12:55 PM   #153 
        - I'll always be a happy heretic.  scarletwoman   Jan-27-11 07:17 PM   #203 
     - There's the place where your assumptions don't match up with reality.  Marr   Jan-27-11 09:28 AM   #95 
        - He's talking about what centrists "say" in their speeches, not what they end up actually doing.  Dr Fate   Jan-27-11 12:27 PM   #145 
  - Has a U.S. company ever  BobbyBoring   Jan-27-11 03:52 PM   #174 
  - PLUS ONE!  Enthusiast   Jan-27-11 09:35 AM   #97 
  - But how do you "take care of our own people?"  Atypical Liberal   Jan-27-11 11:24 AM   #124 
     - I would think that means providing people with the safety net found in Canada and Europe.  pampango   Jan-27-11 12:02 PM   #139 
     - Safety nets are great...  Atypical Liberal   Jan-27-11 12:12 PM   #142 
        - That's the irony. With safety nets, Canadians and Europeans excel in international trade.  pampango   Jan-27-11 12:50 PM   #151 
        - The irony is further compounded when one actually pays attention to our GDP  liberation   Jan-27-11 03:42 PM   #173 
        - Good grief, she's talking about ideas -- good ones that would eliminate a lot of what's gone wrong  pacalo   Jan-27-11 03:23 PM   #167 
           - The irony in all this is that SOTU speeches have been morphed more into a pep rally by the president  liberation   Jan-27-11 03:39 PM   #170 
     - "taking care of our own people" used to be Democratic Party Policy.  bvar22   Jan-27-11 12:16 PM   #143 
     - Sounds good, but beyond the power of any president.  Atypical Liberal   Jan-27-11 01:19 PM   #155 
        - Beyond the power of the president to implement?...OK  bvar22   Jan-27-11 01:40 PM   #156 
        - I don't think we can go in that direction.  Atypical Liberal   Jan-27-11 02:32 PM   #163 
           - Yes. We. Can.  bvar22   Jan-27-11 05:24 PM   #190 
        - Its actually a very easy concept... We as a country still have quite a bit of power and say.  glowing   Jan-27-11 07:05 PM   #201 
     - Funny thing, a really good start would be single payer health care.  scarletwoman   Jan-27-11 08:06 PM   #208 
  - "It's all about how to get the US to move in the direction....." That's rhetoric.  rhett o rick   Jan-27-11 01:51 PM   #158 
  - A million times, this.  JackDragna   Jan-26-11 08:46 PM   #23 
  - And you gain nothing  WoodyM   Jan-27-11 08:19 PM   #213 
  - K&R  varelse   Jan-26-11 08:48 PM   #24 
  - Such an eloquent post by  Autumn   Jan-26-11 08:53 PM   #26 
  - What a great missive. K&R  Populist_Prole   Jan-26-11 08:54 PM   #27 
  - We're a service, white collar economy. Wealth and geo political power has always been controlled by  craigmatic   Jan-26-11 08:56 PM   #29 
  - Couldn't have put it better  Ramulux   Jan-26-11 08:56 PM   #30 
  - There's a significant irony in all this. If we were actually setting an EXAMPLE of taking care  scarletwoman   Jan-26-11 10:31 PM   #57 
     - Well said. Taking care of our own would set an example for other nations.  pampango   Jan-27-11 07:35 AM   #71 
  - BRAVO!  Earth_First   Jan-26-11 08:59 PM   #31 
  - kr and thank you  inna   Jan-26-11 09:10 PM   #34 
  - it's very Clintonesque though and typically American  hfojvt   Jan-26-11 09:11 PM   #35 
  - But why would we lose? We are quite capable of taking care of most of our needs.  scarletwoman   Jan-26-11 09:38 PM   #40 
     - It's our fault, and the alternative is protectionism/isolationism  thesquanderer   Jan-27-11 08:28 AM   #81 
     - But that's the "race to the bottom" spiral epitomized  Lydia Leftcoast   Jan-27-11 09:24 AM   #91 
        - I've neglected to thank you for your excellent posts on this thread up to now.  scarletwoman   Jan-28-11 06:17 PM   #235 
     - clearly we cannot  hfojvt   Jan-27-11 10:16 AM   #108 
        - That's true  BobbyBoring   Jan-27-11 04:06 PM   #178 
        - large sections of the country would be nearly uninhabited without autombiles  Ex Lurker   Jan-27-11 06:09 PM   #195 
        - yet almost all of the country was settled before the automobile was invented  hfojvt   Jan-28-11 12:10 AM   #221 
           - good points nt  Ex Lurker   Jan-28-11 03:47 PM   #230 
        - Yes, I had a higher standard of living in Portland than here  Lydia Leftcoast   Jan-27-11 08:07 PM   #209 
  - Recommended  somone   Jan-26-11 09:13 PM   #36 
  - Thank you, thank you. I so wholeheartedly recommend this. n/t  Catherina   Jan-26-11 09:24 PM   #38 
  - +1  stevedeshazer   Jan-26-11 09:39 PM   #41 
  - Great post and well said! May truth prevail!  Newest Reality   Jan-26-11 09:40 PM   #42 
  - That's exactly what bothered me. The SOTU was a blueprint of the dark vision.  scarletwoman   Jan-26-11 09:54 PM   #46 
     - Me too!  Newest Reality   Jan-26-11 10:03 PM   #49 
  - turn yourself into a corporation and all the benefits of our government will flow to you nt  msongs   Jan-26-11 09:44 PM   #43 
  - You hit the nail on the head.  SharksBreath   Jan-27-11 11:51 AM   #132 
  - Is there some middle ground between jingoistic nationalism and isolationism?  pampango   Jan-26-11 09:45 PM   #45 
  - I'm talking about self-sufficiency, not isolationism.  scarletwoman   Jan-26-11 10:04 PM   #50 
     - OP describes isolationism. What part of the definition do you disagree with?  pampango   Jan-27-11 07:33 AM   #70 
  - Many independents and even conservatives agree with you and I on this,  Dr Fate   Jan-26-11 10:15 PM   #52 
  - I agree with your assessment, Dr Fate.  Enthusiast   Jan-27-11 09:43 AM   #99 
  - not to mention that corporatism does not promote  bbgrunt   Jan-27-11 11:26 AM   #125 
  - +1  Blue_Tires   Jan-27-11 10:03 AM   #105 
  - "the pathologically greedy among us." Great observations. Great post.  DirkGently   Jan-26-11 10:19 PM   #54 
  - Competition is the most entangling of foreign entanglements.  JVS   Jan-26-11 10:20 PM   #55 
  - Good one! nt  Enthusiast   Jan-27-11 09:44 AM   #100 
  - K&R. Well stated - I completely agree. Thanks for the great post. n/t  NRaleighLiberal   Jan-26-11 10:30 PM   #56 
  - Hear hear.  JoeyT   Jan-26-11 10:34 PM   #58 
  - K&R  Odin2005   Jan-26-11 10:37 PM   #59 
  - K&R  leftstreet   Jan-26-11 10:53 PM   #61 
  - Great post, scarletwoman  robdogbucky   Jan-27-11 12:31 AM   #64 
  - compete or get left behind  idlisambar   Jan-27-11 12:48 AM   #65 
  - Or don't compete and make the world go away -China's Great Wall strategy.  pampango   Jan-27-11 07:43 AM   #74 
  - Let us compete with other advanced countries, not with poor ones  Lydia Leftcoast   Jan-27-11 09:27 AM   #94 
     - And if poor countries want to export to countries with the money to buy stuff?  pampango   Jan-27-11 10:04 AM   #106 
        - If the poor countries trade with one another and build on their respective strengths  Lydia Leftcoast   Jan-27-11 11:56 AM   #135 
  - If we must compete it should  Enthusiast   Jan-27-11 09:49 AM   #101 
  - why not ? it does good things, how do you think we ended up on the Moon ?  JI7   Jan-27-11 01:01 AM   #66 
  - Wow. So right and so eloquently put.  Smashcut   Jan-27-11 02:14 AM   #67 
  - excellent point. the many references to competition bothered me, too.  tomp   Jan-27-11 05:36 AM   #68 
  - I accidently unrecced this amazing essay!  myrna minx   Jan-27-11 06:46 AM   #69 
  - I fixed it. nt  Enthusiast   Jan-27-11 09:51 AM   #102 
  - Thanks.  myrna minx   Jan-27-11 11:02 AM   #118 
  - Not to worry. It would seem that your accidental unrec has been compensated for --  scarletwoman   Jan-27-11 07:25 PM   #205 
     - No kidding, my dear. It seems that your sage wisdom has  myrna minx   Jan-27-11 11:23 PM   #218 
        - "Sage wisdom"? Yikes! I'm just a cranky old lady living alone in the woods with my dogs,  scarletwoman   Jan-28-11 06:33 PM   #236 
  - k&r  Starry Messenger   Jan-27-11 07:38 AM   #73 
  - Competition is a destructive paradigm. You nailed it.  LWolf   Jan-27-11 07:50 AM   #75 
  - k&r  Swamp Rat   Jan-27-11 07:53 AM   #76 
  - Globalization is a SCAM!  Joanne98   Jan-27-11 07:55 AM   #77 
  - Globalization-describes the process by which regional economies, societies, and cultures have become  pampango   Jan-27-11 08:55 AM   #85 
  - I agree  jbeing   Jan-27-11 11:33 AM   #127 
  - I totally agree!!!!  valerief   Jan-27-11 08:13 AM   #78 
  - With global warming the USA can't feed 1/3 of billion citizens alone  barbiegeek   Jan-27-11 08:16 AM   #79 
  - Traitor!  Bragi   Jan-27-11 08:24 AM   #80 
  - We are the fools  Action   Jan-27-11 08:31 AM   #82 
  - Totally agree. The SOTU sounds like it was written by an ad agency  mistertrickster   Jan-27-11 08:34 AM   #83 
  - Well said  Brewman_Jax   Jan-27-11 08:37 AM   #84 
  - Thank you, scarletwoman.  dotymed   Jan-27-11 08:55 AM   #86 
  - We need enough protectionism to be able to compete freely and fairly  humblebum   Jan-27-11 09:15 AM   #87 
  - ...  xchrom   Jan-27-11 09:18 AM   #89 
  - I am sorry  nalnn   Jan-27-11 09:19 AM   #90 
  - I don't know how old you are  BobbyBoring   Jan-27-11 04:13 PM   #181 
  - Communist!  Enthusiast   Jan-27-11 09:24 AM   #92 
  - You're right in large part,  shimmergal   Jan-27-11 09:30 AM   #96 
  - I have had it up to 'here' with the philosophy that we have to be or  Paper Roses   Jan-27-11 09:38 AM   #98 
  - Wow, you sure use the word "me" a lot.  ClassWarrior   Jan-27-11 09:54 AM   #103 
  - "Competition" is insane -- we need cooperation, for the planet and for labor ....  defendandprotect   Jan-27-11 10:00 AM   #104 
  - I'm with you scarletwoman!  judy   Jan-27-11 10:17 AM   #109 
  - Don't worry, Obama does not want to compete either.  obxhead   Jan-27-11 10:18 AM   #110 
  - Well said!  CrispyQ   Jan-27-11 10:56 AM   #116 
  - Excellent post..... n/t  4_TN_TITANS   Jan-27-11 10:35 AM   #111 
  - k&r  ceile   Jan-27-11 10:40 AM   #112 
  - Fabulous post, eloquently expressed  theHandpuppet   Jan-27-11 10:42 AM   #113 
  - what about Sputnik?  Enrique   Jan-27-11 10:43 AM   #114 
  - It's Ironic, because those repeating that rhetoric don't seem to give a damn about its people  fascisthunter   Jan-27-11 10:47 AM   #115 
  - I had a similar feeling. the nationalism. the "This is the greatest country on earth"  robinlynne   Jan-27-11 10:58 AM   #117 
  - And too many Americans buy it, because they've never been anywhere else  Lydia Leftcoast   Jan-27-11 11:12 AM   #119 
     - "They went to Tijuana once." lol  robinlynne   Jan-27-11 11:52 AM   #133 
  - Jingoism is a front for the extractive class...  I hate liars   Jan-27-11 11:17 AM   #120 
  - One of the most valuable things I learned from living in Japan in the 1970s  Lydia Leftcoast   Jan-27-11 11:17 AM   #121 
  - The genie is out of the bottle.  Atypical Liberal   Jan-27-11 11:20 AM   #122 
  - Don't forget--  amandabeech   Jan-27-11 09:40 PM   #217 
  - Brilliant as usual, my dear...  BeHereNow   Jan-27-11 11:23 AM   #123 
  - I agree 100% with the OP  Kirbster   Jan-27-11 11:27 AM   #126 
  - A wonderful and thoughtful post and a great dialogue!  LongTomH   Jan-27-11 11:36 AM   #128 
  - Beautifully stated post.  aquamarina   Jan-27-11 11:40 AM   #129 
  - I have a different perspective of that part...  JuniperLea   Jan-27-11 11:42 AM   #130 
  - +++  amyrose2712   Jan-27-11 11:51 AM   #131 
  - Kicked and recommended.  Uncle Joe   Jan-27-11 11:58 AM   #136 
  - Very eloquent  bluestateboomer   Jan-27-11 11:59 AM   #137 
  - Great post. Unfortunately we don't want to "compete" with Asia, but  harun   Jan-27-11 12:01 PM   #138 
  - you're talking out of both sides of your mouth...  Green_Lantern   Jan-27-11 12:05 PM   #140 
  - I think you are being too generous...  stevenleser   Jan-27-11 03:40 PM   #171 
     - I think they're confusing competing with bullying...  Green_Lantern   Jan-27-11 03:58 PM   #176 
        - I wish that were so. These folks really believe in no competition (or at least they think they do)  stevenleser   Jan-27-11 11:53 PM   #220 
           - the OP logic baffles me  Green_Lantern   Jan-28-11 01:18 PM   #226 
           - nah... maybe it's just you  fascisthunter   Jan-28-11 05:53 PM   #233 
  - Exactly.  Celeborn Skywalker   Jan-27-11 12:08 PM   #141 
  - Well said, I think most people would agree with you.  sabrina 1   Jan-27-11 12:17 PM   #144 
  - Yes. We. Can. Compete with the World.  bvar22   Jan-27-11 12:28 PM   #146 
  - Bravo! I'm with bvar22!  RufusTFirefly   Jan-27-11 07:04 PM   #200 
  - Right on, sw!  G_j   Jan-27-11 12:29 PM   #147 
  - 'Competition is a destructive paradigm'  ElboRuum   Jan-27-11 12:33 PM   #148 
  - You must not have been paying attention during the campaign when "worker productivity" was mentioned  Octafish   Jan-27-11 12:37 PM   #149 
  - K&R and remember we, the people don't require force multipliers  bobthedrummer   Jan-27-11 12:43 PM   #150 
  - + 1,000  swilton   Jan-27-11 12:53 PM   #152 
  - But don't you want to lower your quality of life so the 2% at the top can live better?  ck4829   Jan-27-11 01:17 PM   #154 
  - So apparently you wouldn't have competed with the Soviets to see who could make it to the moon...  totodeinhere   Jan-27-11 01:51 PM   #157 
  - Competition is part and parcel of the Infinite Growth Paradigm.  robertpaulsen   Jan-27-11 02:04 PM   #159 
  - K&R +1!!!  mcollins   Jan-27-11 02:23 PM   #161 
  - k&R  midnight   Jan-27-11 02:25 PM   #162 
  - K&R n/t  DeSwiss   Jan-27-11 02:39 PM   #164 
  - I agree wholeheartedly with every eloquent sentence you wrote. Kudos!  pacalo   Jan-27-11 03:04 PM   #165 
  - Thank you!  Scottybeamer70   Jan-27-11 03:15 PM   #166 
  - A hearty welcome to DU, scottybeamer!  pacalo   Jan-27-11 03:28 PM   #168 
  - Competition is 20th-century. Cooperation is 21st-century.  chaska   Jan-27-11 03:32 PM   #169 
  - Beautifully Stated  BobbyBoring   Jan-27-11 03:41 PM   #172 
  - God Bless the USA -- screw everyone else  Blue Owl   Jan-27-11 03:57 PM   #175 
  - We are about 5% of the global population consuming approx 25% of the planet's resources.  scarletwoman   Jan-27-11 09:19 PM   #216 
  - scarletwoman: Great Post!  Tace   Jan-27-11 04:01 PM   #177 
  - What do politicans mean when they say "compete"?  EndElectoral   Jan-27-11 04:12 PM   #180 
  - K&R  raouldukelives   Jan-27-11 04:27 PM   #184 
  - We have always been in competition with Eastasia. nt  eppur_se_muova   Jan-27-11 05:03 PM   #187 
  - K & R  Better Believe It   Jan-27-11 05:09 PM   #188 
  - K&R!!! One of the best posts and threads EVER on DU!  tilsammans   Jan-27-11 05:18 PM   #189 
  - Agree  Beringia   Jan-27-11 05:27 PM   #191 
  - thanks for the OP  mdmc   Jan-27-11 05:44 PM   #192 
  - Yeah, I found that to be a turn-off too.  Puregonzo1188   Jan-27-11 05:45 PM   #193 
  - Yessss.....you are spot on!!  Desertrose   Jan-27-11 06:31 PM   #197 
  - Hey, DR!!!!  scarletwoman   Jan-28-11 06:09 PM   #234 
  - To all those who have responded on this thread, my humble thanks.  scarletwoman   Jan-27-11 06:34 PM   #198 
  - I'm sick of this beating the other guy crap  Scruffy1   Jan-27-11 06:39 PM   #199 
  - You don't have to be better to win  saras   Jan-27-11 07:18 PM   #204 
  - The world wants to compete with you.  bluestate10   Jan-27-11 08:10 PM   #210 
  - I dont think that the President was saying we need to compete  mommalegga   Jan-27-11 08:14 PM   #212 
  - Oh for the day! When our President would have you as his/her speech writer!!  Agony   Jan-27-11 08:32 PM   #214 
  - K/R  moondust   Jan-27-11 11:29 PM   #219 
  - Competition turns on the violent, brutal side of human nature.  Odin2005   Jan-28-11 12:44 AM   #222 
  - It's a ruling class thing...  blindpig   Jan-28-11 01:49 PM   #228 
  - Well and succinctly put. (nt)  scarletwoman   Jan-28-11 05:20 PM   #231 
  - But...but...but...Obama's a Socialist.  Kurovski   Jan-30-11 03:00 PM   #239 
  - If Jesus or Dr King were to return  upi402   Jan-30-11 03:02 PM   #240 
  - I had the exact same reaction to SOTU  lanlady   Jan-30-11 03:47 PM   #241 
 

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