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Response to Reply #135
221. Correct!
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  -Ayn Rand Collected SS lame54  Jan-25-11 07:06 PM   #0 
  - lolz  PeaceNikki   Jan-25-11 07:07 PM   #1 
  - my reaction as well  patrick t. cakes   Jan-25-11 07:12 PM   #13 
  - recommend  Poboy   Jan-25-11 07:07 PM   #2 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jan-25-11 07:08 PM   #3 
  - Weakling!!!!  Gregorian   Jan-25-11 07:09 PM   #7 
  - "softened her stance" my ass. just another hypocrite.  Hannah Bell   Jan-25-11 07:08 PM   #4 
  - +1  fishwax   Jan-26-11 05:57 PM   #197 
  - The selfishness of this woman was incredible and so was her  neverforget   Jan-25-11 07:09 PM   #5 
  - ya think??  boston bean   Jan-25-11 07:11 PM   #9 
     - What's worse is that a whole political movement is built around it  neverforget   Jan-25-11 07:23 PM   #22 
        - when the tea party first started you know what their call to arms was?  boston bean   Jan-25-11 07:25 PM   #23 
        - They're freeloaders but don't touch my SS or Medicare!  neverforget   Jan-25-11 07:42 PM   #33 
        - You are 100% correct  pezDispenser   Jan-25-11 08:49 PM   #49 
        - Good point.  Enthusiast   Jan-26-11 05:48 AM   #93 
        - Plus, it wasn't their actual neighbors  Alcibiades   Jan-26-11 08:09 AM   #111 
        - Sanchez/Santelli  Baltimore   Jan-26-11 12:27 PM   #156 
           - Rick Santelli is quite the bastard.  HughBeaumont   Jan-26-11 04:51 PM   #188 
           - My bad  Alcibiades   Jan-27-11 10:04 PM   #226 
        - That's EXACTLY right. A turd on CNBS ranted on the floor of the Chicago Merc  catzies   Jan-26-11 02:31 PM   #174 
        - And everyone else  Golden Raisin   Jan-26-11 11:36 AM   #146 
  - k and r nt  steve2470   Jan-25-11 07:09 PM   #6 
  - I know plenty of righties on SS  fascisthunter   Jan-25-11 07:09 PM   #8 
  - Wow,  bbinacan   Jan-25-11 07:11 PM   #10 
  - It's good to keep in mind  Cirque du So-What   Jan-25-11 07:11 PM   #11 
  - He probably would have, but he was too old. I wonder if  russspeakeasy   Jan-25-11 10:41 PM   #68 
  - I'm sure it's mutual. Blindfold, paper bag, whatever it takes!  CLANG   Jan-26-11 02:04 PM   #167 
  - Aaaaaaand I just lost my damned appetite. For the next month.  HughBeaumont   Jan-26-11 04:22 AM   #89 
  - He put a wreath of flower shaped like a $ sign on her coffin  NAO   Jan-26-11 09:51 AM   #126 
  - Atlas Mooched n/t  charlie   Jan-25-11 07:11 PM   #12 
  - Guffaw!  Xipe Totec   Jan-25-11 07:16 PM   #17 
  - Now THAT would make a great billboard!  bobbolink   Jan-25-11 07:21 PM   #21 
  - Just too good.  Kurovski   Jan-25-11 09:48 PM   #58 
  - +100  alittlelark   Jan-25-11 10:59 PM   #75 
  - Genius.  myrna minx   Jan-26-11 11:43 AM   #150 
  - CALL CONGRESS RIGHT FUCKING NOW!1!1!1!  NNN0LHI   Jan-25-11 07:13 PM   #14 
  - Slave...  The_Commonist   Jan-25-11 07:13 PM   #15 
  - Even their intellectual heroes were hypocrites  Canuckistanian   Jan-25-11 07:13 PM   #16 
  - Have you ever heard of a movement so lacking in the basics of reality, common sense or wisdom?  AlbertCat   Jan-25-11 09:35 PM   #53 
  - "Even" ??? What's this "even" ??  eppur_se_muova   Jan-26-11 04:17 PM   #183 
     - yep, the boss on "9 to 5" his description as a lying, sexest, hypocritical...pig  StarsInHerHair   Jan-27-11 03:11 AM   #213 
  - I'm sure it all went to charity.  Skink   Jan-25-11 07:16 PM   #18 
  - Ayn Rand spent her whole life  LuvNewcastle   Jan-25-11 07:17 PM   #19 
  - was she an atheist? do you know.  boston bean   Jan-25-11 07:30 PM   #27 
     - She hated Christianity.  NutmegYankee   Jan-25-11 07:44 PM   #34 
     - All faiths teach that altruism is the highest virtue.  AlbertCat   Jan-25-11 09:41 PM   #57 
     - self interest, well understood . . .  janet118   Jan-26-11 11:02 AM   #136 
     - Altruism comes from the heart, not from religion  CLANG   Jan-26-11 02:09 PM   #168 
     - well except for Satanism  peopleb4money   Jan-26-11 12:48 AM   #85 
        - I thought that was Ayn Randiism?  NutmegYankee   Jan-26-11 04:53 AM   #90 
        - Seriously, there is very little difference between The Satanic Bible  Nevernose   Jan-26-11 08:02 AM   #108 
     - Yes, Ayn Rand was a declared atheist.  chillspike   Jan-25-11 07:50 PM   #40 
     - I think a more accurate term would be assholist - someone who is  cognoscere   Jan-25-11 11:28 PM   #78 
     - Many only pretend to be religious.  Kurovski   Jan-25-11 09:50 PM   #59 
     - For all her evils, I will always be grateful to her for rescuing me from Fundamentalist Christianity  NAO   Jan-26-11 09:56 AM   #128 
  - And I should be surprised? They all collect SS while telling us  Curmudgeoness   Jan-25-11 07:20 PM   #20 
  - Moocher!  JVS   Jan-25-11 07:26 PM   #24 
  - That damn socialist!! :-) nt  Ilsa   Jan-25-11 07:27 PM   #25 
  - She was such a total RepubliBagger - a complete freakin hypocrite  SpiralHawk   Jan-25-11 07:29 PM   #26 
  - That looter was taking our money? Unbelievable!  ck4829   Jan-25-11 07:31 PM   #28 
  - Thanks for posting!  Old and In the Way   Jan-25-11 07:32 PM   #29 
  - hypo-fucking-crits. Every single fucking one of them!  madinmaryland   Jan-25-11 07:38 PM   #30 
  - K&R n/t  DeSwiss   Jan-25-11 07:42 PM   #31 
  - How many years did she pay into SS? nt  Obamanaut   Jan-25-11 07:42 PM   #32 
  - That's what she would say  chillspike   Jan-25-11 07:52 PM   #41 
  - And she would be right. Anything else would be as if the government  Obamanaut   Jan-25-11 07:55 PM   #43 
     - Doubtful she paid much in to Medicare to cover that surgery ...  Hassin Bin Sober   Jan-25-11 10:47 PM   #71 
     - Atlas Mooched!  txlibdem   Jan-26-11 07:18 PM   #208 
     - There can be no compromise on basic principles,...  lame54   Jan-26-11 10:44 AM   #130 
     - Or "You seized my money and I am entitled to its return." nt  Obamanaut   Jan-26-11 12:12 PM   #154 
        - "even if it costs me my reputation"...  lame54   Jan-26-11 12:36 PM   #158 
     - Your "point" has been thoroughly debunked  bongbong   Jan-26-11 01:44 PM   #163 
     - Some questions linger. DOB 1905, add 65 = 1970 SS eligible (roughly).  Obamanaut   Jan-26-11 03:26 PM   #181 
        - at the linked article  bongbong   Jan-26-11 03:34 PM   #182 
        - The linked article states "An interview recently surfaced  Obamanaut   Jan-26-11 04:25 PM   #184 
           - "It was her money"  bongbong   Jan-26-11 05:31 PM   #191 
              - Debunking and varied opinions are not the same. She paid her  Obamanaut   Jan-26-11 05:35 PM   #193 
        - Who cares? The witch was a hypocrite. She told others not to accept money from the government, yet  rhett o rick   Jan-26-11 06:13 PM   #200 
           - Perhaps she thought the SS benefits were dollars that she had paid. Oh, they were. nt  Obamanaut   Jan-26-11 06:28 PM   #204 
              - Doesnt matter. She was a hypocrite. nm  rhett o rick   Jan-27-11 12:18 AM   #211 
     - But how do you get $11,000/month?? You'd have to live to 250!!!  CLANG   Jan-26-11 02:13 PM   #170 
        - It was not $11,000/month, but rather a total. Look again at the OP, you'll  Obamanaut   Jan-26-11 03:23 PM   #179 
           - Yes, I was already corrected on that - thanks.  CLANG   Jan-26-11 05:23 PM   #189 
  - The point of Rand's critics in this thread is...  SpankMe   Jan-26-11 11:01 AM   #135 
     - Most of her ilk are hypocrites. nm  rhett o rick   Jan-26-11 06:15 PM   #201 
     - Correct!  fascisthunter   Jan-27-11 05:31 PM   #221 
  - Freepers won't like this one  Kingofalldems   Jan-25-11 07:45 PM   #35 
  - That's where a good case of denial comes in  lame54   Jan-25-11 07:45 PM   #36 
  - Huh? Half of the freepers are on SS or Medicare. How do you think  madinmaryland   Jan-25-11 07:50 PM   #39 
     - But-- but--but--most of them claim to run businesses and such  Kingofalldems   Jan-25-11 07:57 PM   #45 
        - Free Repuke is a business?  madinmaryland   Jan-25-11 09:35 PM   #55 
           - No, a lot of the posters over there claim to run a business  Kingofalldems   Jan-26-11 10:52 AM   #132 
              - Selling their old baseball cards on eBay is not a business.  louis-t   Jan-26-11 12:13 PM   #155 
              - Like Joe claimed to be a plumber? All right-wingers are lying sacks of shit.  CLANG   Jan-26-11 02:20 PM   #171 
              - Mostly meth labs  bongbong   Jan-26-11 05:34 PM   #192 
  - Utterly unsurprising, and in line with her philosophy  saras   Jan-25-11 07:46 PM   #37 
  - She also wrote bad political fiction AKA "fairy tales"  jpak   Jan-25-11 07:48 PM   #38 
  - Hey, hey, say what you like but when I was in high school I loved her "fairy tales".  rhett o rick   Jan-26-11 06:18 PM   #202 
  - Atlas didn't shrug. Atlas stuck his damn hand out! (Gimme! Gimme! Gimme!)  66 dmhlt   Jan-25-11 07:55 PM   #42 
  - Social Security is not 'welfare'  B2G   Jan-25-11 07:56 PM   #44 
  - You know that. I know that. THE POINT IS: the noisemakers on the right  kestrel91316   Jan-25-11 10:45 PM   #70 
  - Precisely  Sherman A1   Jan-26-11 06:48 AM   #95 
  - Not entirely true.  trotsky   Jan-26-11 06:54 AM   #97 
  - Most people never live long enough to receive back what they paid in  txlibdem   Jan-27-11 02:49 PM   #218 
     - OK you've posted data showing that in general, the poor live longer than the rich.  trotsky   Jan-27-11 05:48 PM   #224 
        - Deleted message  Name removed   Jan-27-11 09:06 PM   #225 
           - Yes, I flipped the words by mistake.  trotsky   Jan-28-11 06:26 AM   #227 
              - Your quote does not support your premise  txlibdem   Jan-28-11 07:33 AM   #229 
                 - Did you actually read the report?  trotsky   Jan-28-11 07:41 AM   #230 
                    - You seem to be backpedaling on your original comment  txlibdem   Jan-28-11 09:38 AM   #231 
                       - I never "decried" anything.  trotsky   Jan-28-11 10:05 AM   #232 
  - Not necessarily  moose65   Jan-26-11 07:26 AM   #101 
  - ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME  loudsue   Jan-26-11 04:49 PM   #187 
     - Yep  moose65   Jan-26-11 07:14 PM   #207 
  - EXCEPT... if you read the entire article AND the comments, you will find that  madmom   Jan-26-11 08:07 AM   #109 
  - Ok. Most of her life. She started paying at 32, and started collecting at 69,  Statistical   Jan-26-11 08:19 AM   #112 
  - She started collecting at 59, not 69, that is early, I don't begrudge anyone their  madmom   Jan-26-11 09:21 AM   #121 
     - not that i want to defend ayn rand but  chillspike   Jan-26-11 09:53 AM   #127 
     - No it is pretty simple math. Born 1905. Collected 1974.  Statistical   Jan-27-11 10:43 AM   #214 
  - 59 or 69?  sl8   Jan-26-11 05:26 PM   #190 
  - It's the government forcing you to save it for a rainy day...  lame54   Jan-26-11 10:49 AM   #131 
  - well according to her "philosophy" she should have passed  corpseratemedia   Jan-25-11 08:12 PM   #46 
  - Might as well call it Republican philosophy. Survival of the fittest. Unless they run out of money.  CLANG   Jan-26-11 02:25 PM   #172 
  - I'd love to see this thread posted on *ahem* another site  firehorse   Jan-25-11 08:20 PM   #47 
  - This needs to be pinned to the frontpage of DU forever. n/t  ingac70   Jan-25-11 08:44 PM   #48 
  - Interesting. Bet John Galt did too.  Hoyt   Jan-25-11 09:04 PM   #50 
  - If this is true, what would make it worse is that she made decent coin from selling her "novels."  Batgirl   Jan-25-11 09:05 PM   #51 
  - and live out their final years with dignity.  AlbertCat   Jan-25-11 09:33 PM   #52 
  - K & R  classof56   Jan-25-11 09:35 PM   #54 
  - Ayn Rand, Orly Taitz, Anna Kournikova  Leithan   Jan-25-11 09:38 PM   #56 
  - LOL!  Enthusiast   Jan-26-11 05:51 AM   #94 
  - I take issue with Anna Kournikova. She's got a lot of 'talent'!!  CLANG   Jan-26-11 02:27 PM   #173 
  - Wasn't age. She was an actual moocher as well, borrowing from family & stiffing them.  DirkGently   Jan-25-11 10:01 PM   #60 
  - Thanks so much for this post  rpannier   Jan-25-11 10:08 PM   #61 
  - Of course she did. That was her whole bit.  DRex   Jan-25-11 10:19 PM   #62 
  - color me completely unsurprised. K & R  Maru Kitteh   Jan-25-11 10:27 PM   #63 
  - Oh now THAT is really funny.... But you know....  SayitAintSo   Jan-25-11 10:31 PM   #64 
  - I think that last part needs to be restated.  ChadwickHenryWard   Jan-25-11 10:36 PM   #65 
  - She was nuts and was a forerunner of Fux news.  russspeakeasy   Jan-25-11 10:38 PM   #66 
  - Complete hypocrisy from a RWer??? Fancy that.  kestrel91316   Jan-25-11 10:40 PM   #67 
  - SS isn't an gift or welfare. She paid into it, she deserved every penny.  Statistical   Jan-25-11 10:44 PM   #69 
  - What about the medicare? Clearly she didn't pay in to it for "a lifetime" ...  Hassin Bin Sober   Jan-25-11 10:50 PM   #72 
  - Agreed. Medicare would have been a better example.  Statistical   Jan-26-11 07:26 AM   #100 
  - Did medicare pay for the surgery, or did she apply/register following  Obamanaut   Jan-26-11 07:58 AM   #107 
     - Can benefits be rec'd retroactively?  Hassin Bin Sober   Jan-26-11 08:51 PM   #209 
  - no one has any objection to her collecting. they have objections to her collecting  Hannah Bell   Jan-25-11 11:04 PM   #76 
  - SS isn't "welfare of the state".  Statistical   Jan-26-11 07:41 AM   #104 
     - Yes, it is "insurance."  KansDem   Jan-26-11 02:11 PM   #169 
     - 1) I didn't say "SS is welfare of the state" but keep making things up, maybe something will stick.  Hannah Bell   Jan-27-11 05:22 PM   #219 
  - I think this point very often gets overlooked on DU.  SlipperySlope   Jan-26-11 12:13 AM   #81 
  - Well one out of three (responses) got it.  Statistical   Jan-26-11 07:23 AM   #99 
     - Not relevant. Randian "Objectivists" decry Social Security as though it WAS a handout.  DirkGently   Jan-26-11 08:52 AM   #115 
        - However SS wasn't phased out.  Statistical   Jan-26-11 09:01 AM   #117 
           - These are Objectivist comments being made NOW. So yes, there's hypocrisy.  DirkGently   Jan-26-11 09:10 AM   #118 
              - I disagree  Statistical   Jan-26-11 09:15 AM   #119 
                 - Your "point" has been thoroughly debunked  bongbong   Jan-26-11 01:47 PM   #164 
                 - So I aint saying she was "unethical", the witch was hypocritical. nm  rhett o rick   Jan-26-11 06:24 PM   #203 
  - see post # 109  madmom   Jan-26-11 08:08 AM   #110 
  - what about the idea of accepting the consequences of your actions?  demigoddess   Jan-25-11 10:56 PM   #73 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jan-25-11 10:57 PM   #74 
  - Well, she did die alone, bitter, and unloved.  era veteran   Jan-25-11 11:25 PM   #77 
  - HIP HIP HOORAY!!!!  CLANG   Jan-26-11 03:13 PM   #176 
  - Remember, they are all against socialism until it benefits them.  AllyCat   Jan-26-11 12:07 AM   #79 
  - "Hypocrites of the highest order" +1,000  upi402   Jan-26-11 12:10 AM   #80 
  - Let's have an "amen" to that!  TxVietVet   Jan-26-11 09:49 AM   #125 
  - That belongs on a T shirt design.  kenny blankenship   Jan-26-11 12:18 AM   #82 
  - I agree with the few who said that she deserved the money, since she paid in,  PBass   Jan-26-11 12:23 AM   #83 
  - Parasite  GETPLANING   Jan-26-11 12:44 AM   #84 
  - Weakling.  patrice   Jan-26-11 01:13 AM   #86 
  - Scratch an absolutist, find a relativist almost every time. nt  patrice   Jan-26-11 01:16 AM   #87 
  - Even the ones furthest to the right wake up, eventually.  delightfulstar   Jan-26-11 01:24 AM   #88 
  - That was really interesting  TuxedoKat   Jan-26-11 08:25 AM   #113 
  - Anything from before the early 70s...  delightfulstar   Jan-26-11 04:39 PM   #185 
  - Ayn Rand wrote an essay likening JFK to Hitler  TuxedoKat   Jan-26-11 10:52 AM   #133 
  - Would Ayn Rand be welcomed into the Republican party today?  nightgaunt   Jan-26-11 06:46 PM   #206 
  - SS isn't distributed by "need" and it is not welfare.  tinrobot   Jan-26-11 05:44 AM   #91 
  - Isn't it based on your income and number of years you worked?  moose65   Jan-26-11 07:33 AM   #103 
     - It's based on how much you put into the system.  tinrobot   Jan-26-11 03:22 PM   #178 
  - Freeloader! nt  Enthusiast   Jan-26-11 05:46 AM   #92 
  - Why didn't her "rugged individualism"...  SHRED   Jan-26-11 06:52 AM   #96 
  - That's a bumper sticker right there.  Richardo   Jan-26-11 07:17 AM   #98 
  - Time for a Nelson laugh!  Crowman1979   Jan-26-11 07:30 AM   #102 
  - "altruism a basic evil  greiner3   Jan-26-11 07:53 AM   #105 
  - Hahahaha! Beautiful! Hahaha!  Hugin   Jan-26-11 07:56 AM   #106 
  - The Whole Key To Libertarianism/Objectivism Is Knowing That Something Will Bail You Out  Yavin4   Jan-26-11 08:34 AM   #114 
  - I am John Galt (SS# 299-44-001)  Sabriel   Jan-26-11 08:57 AM   #116 
  - I finally got around to reading Atlas Shrugged last year. I can honestly say it's  Marr   Jan-26-11 09:21 AM   #120 
  - My sympathies - I read it in high school and believed every word  NAO   Jan-26-11 09:48 AM   #124 
  - It is my understanding that  femrap   Jan-26-11 11:42 AM   #149 
  - Atlas Shrugged, a thousand words:  joshcryer   Jan-26-11 11:13 AM   #141 
  - That was good.  bleever   Jan-26-11 11:31 AM   #145 
  - I know it's to late for you, but perhaps I can save another  delete_bush   Jan-26-11 11:27 AM   #144 
  - definitions  Eljo_Don   Jan-26-11 09:34 AM   #122 
  - Ayn Rand Sucks - By Matthew Grimm and the Red Smear  NAO   Jan-26-11 09:34 AM   #123 
  - Someone should mention this to  RoccoR5955   Jan-26-11 10:25 AM   #129 
  - Ayn Rand was a selfish, sociopath. n/t  janet118   Jan-26-11 10:55 AM   #134 
  - SOCIALIST!!! What a hypocrite. n/t  FourScore   Jan-26-11 11:03 AM   #137 
  - That would be like union activists driving Toyotas!  Romulox   Jan-26-11 11:04 AM   #138 
  - Communist mother fucker!!!  Change Happens   Jan-26-11 11:10 AM   #139 
  - So what.  kctim   Jan-26-11 11:11 AM   #140 
  - Well, yes. It's either that or we starve to death.  HughBeaumont   Jan-26-11 11:38 AM   #147 
  - Doesn't make one a hypocrite either.  kctim   Jan-26-11 12:04 PM   #152 
  - "Most people" aren't touted as self-help gurus cum messiah figures.  Romulox   Jan-26-11 11:40 AM   #148 
     - True  kctim   Jan-26-11 12:06 PM   #153 
  - couldnt reach the boot straps?  meow mix   Jan-26-11 11:14 AM   #142 
  - I always thought that she was a miserable negative person. This only confirms it.  tropicanarose   Jan-26-11 11:18 AM   #143 
  - the "virtue of selfishness" means taking advantage of whatever comes your way.  unblock   Jan-26-11 11:58 AM   #151 
  - K&R, for the whines of the annoyed please me. -nt  Commie Pinko Dirtbag   Jan-26-11 12:36 PM   #157 
  - Haha.  Lucian   Jan-26-11 12:40 PM   #159 
  - Well blow me down!  Turbineguy   Jan-26-11 01:01 PM   #160 
  - $11000/month SS payments??? WTF?  CLANG   Jan-26-11 01:40 PM   #161 
  - 11 thousand total between 1974 and 1982.  HughBeaumont   Jan-26-11 01:48 PM   #165 
     - Thanks for the correction. It seemed so crazy! I guess my eyes are going.  CLANG   Jan-26-11 03:19 PM   #177 
  - Send this link  bongbong   Jan-26-11 01:41 PM   #162 
  - First off, she should have gone to prison than compromise and pay taxes to the system she hated  dugaresa   Jan-26-11 01:57 PM   #166 
  - K&R  valerief   Jan-26-11 02:58 PM   #175 
  - The real evil of socialism  sulphurdunn   Jan-26-11 03:24 PM   #180 
  - If only this had come out before the health care vote. nt  Barack_America   Jan-26-11 04:44 PM   #186 
  - A neurotic, selfish Russian refugee ends up in complete hypocrisy when it got personal  bjobotts   Jan-26-11 05:45 PM   #194 
  - PRICELESS!  thanks_imjustlurking   Jan-26-11 05:49 PM   #195 
  - I'm with you...  lame54   Jan-27-11 01:31 PM   #216 
  - Well of course she did. Pukes always do what they judge in others  Rex   Jan-26-11 05:56 PM   #196 
  - Definition of Hypocrite.  sarcasmo   Jan-26-11 06:00 PM   #198 
  - This won't bother anyone on the right..  nessa   Jan-26-11 06:09 PM   #199 
  - So What?  lefty2000   Jan-26-11 06:42 PM   #205 
  - So you're claiming there's a Social Security mandate?  ClassWarrior   Jan-27-11 01:25 AM   #212 
     - No she recouped some of the money that was taken from her.  Statistical   Jan-27-11 10:46 AM   #215 
        - She recouped plenty more than she paid in, since she didn't start paying until she was 30,  Hannah Bell   Jan-27-11 05:25 PM   #220 
        - she took advantage of something she railed against  fascisthunter   Jan-27-11 05:32 PM   #222 
  - Narcissistic sociopaths always believe in their own exceptionalism.  Crunchy Frog   Jan-26-11 11:02 PM   #210 
  - OP made me think that Rand collected Nazi helmets and badges, lol... nt  GSLevel9   Jan-27-11 01:38 PM   #217 
  - That hasn't been ruled out  lame54   Jan-28-11 06:31 AM   #228 
  - Didn't She Also Idolize a Serial Killer?  fascisthunter   Jan-27-11 05:34 PM   #223 
 

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