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hakko936 Donating Member (71 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-26-11 11:54 AM
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86. Vouchers would end this type of crap.
By the way, of the 100 other families investigated, three families agreed to pay tuition and stay in the school, the others either proved residency or admitted guilt and went back to the district of residency. This lady was the only one that took on the school district.

Now that she has been convicted of a felony, she will no longer be able to work as a teacher's aid or a teacher. She was only 12 hours from her teaching degree.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/ohio-mom-jailed-sending-kids-s...

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  -Black Mother Jailed For Sending Kids to White School District kpete  Jan-25-11 01:33 PM   #0 
  - Jeez, Brown v Board of Ed all over again...  Taverner   Jan-25-11 01:35 PM   #1 
  - wtf? jail time & probation for a "crime" routinely committed by thousands of parents across the  Hannah Bell   Jan-25-11 01:37 PM   #2 
  - She's Black. nt  gateley   Jan-25-11 01:41 PM   #6 
  - Yep.  xfundy   Jan-25-11 02:44 PM   #31 
  - Everyone in my neighborhood played this game.  appal_jack   Jan-25-11 06:40 PM   #60 
  - is there any information available about the racial makeup of the jury?  Maru Kitteh   Jan-25-11 01:39 PM   #3 
  - compilation of stories from the trial coverage and what transpired afterward.  kpete   Jan-25-11 01:40 PM   #5 
  - Jailed mom is just a few credit-hours away from a teaching degree - works with special needs kids  Maru Kitteh   Jan-25-11 01:56 PM   #16 
     - Unfortunately ...  Kweli4Real   Jan-25-11 03:40 PM   #39 
     - Felony?  blueamy66   Jan-26-11 07:39 AM   #76 
     - She could have found other ways to better her  liberalhistorian   Jan-26-11 01:03 PM   #98 
     - like???  Bluerthanblue   Jan-26-11 04:46 PM   #124 
     - Like moving in with her father  proud2BlibKansan   Jan-26-11 04:56 PM   #136 
        - she shouldn't have had to go to that extreem.- her fathers taxes  Bluerthanblue   Jan-26-11 05:04 PM   #143 
           - So since my kids are no longer in school, I can designate who MY tax dollars educate?  proud2BlibKansan   Jan-26-11 05:27 PM   #157 
              - Your tax dollars should not go to educating one specific group in particular in the first place.  joshcryer   Jan-26-11 05:32 PM   #164 
              - exactly!  Bluerthanblue   Jan-26-11 05:56 PM   #169 
              - Best post on this thread. n/t  stranger81   Jan-26-11 08:49 PM   #177 
              - that may not be how it works, but it sure does make the argument  Bluerthanblue   Jan-26-11 05:55 PM   #168 
     - What other ways would that be? nt  Pithlet   Jan-26-11 10:24 PM   #186 
     - as a convicted felon, she won't even be allowed to get the degree  fishwax   Jan-26-11 01:24 PM   #103 
     - What's Worse Is This Was a FELONY and She Will Never Be Able To Teach.  we can do it   Jan-25-11 09:32 PM   #67 
        - I don't know about you, but I wouldn't want my child's teacher to  liberalhistorian   Jan-26-11 01:08 PM   #100 
        - That's my first thought as well  proud2BlibKansan   Jan-26-11 04:49 PM   #128 
        - You're both so liberal. n/t  Occulus   Jan-26-11 09:40 PM   #185 
        - You wouldn't want your childs teacher to do anything they could to help a child learn?  joshcryer   Jan-26-11 04:51 PM   #130 
           - She broke the law  proud2BlibKansan   Jan-26-11 04:54 PM   #134 
              - Eh, she should've agreed to the fine. But I think she wanted to make a bigger point.  joshcryer   Jan-26-11 05:11 PM   #147 
                 - this is in effect and act of civil disobedience- the law is being  Bluerthanblue   Jan-26-11 05:25 PM   #155 
                    - Agree. And I hope it helps discourse recognize that money isn't the problem with bad schools.  joshcryer   Jan-26-11 05:29 PM   #159 
        - That is so unfair!  Mimosa   Jan-27-11 01:30 AM   #189 
  - I would be curious to know that too..  True_Blue   Jan-25-11 01:47 PM   #11 
  - It wasn't for sending them to school, it was for  liberalhistorian   Jan-26-11 01:02 PM   #97 
  - What was her motive?  atreides1   Jan-26-11 01:48 PM   #107 
     - So committing crimes and costing a lot of money  liberalhistorian   Jan-26-11 01:55 PM   #110 
     - No money was "lost."  joshcryer   Jan-26-11 05:22 PM   #153 
        - well, except the money they paid the private dick  Bluerthanblue   Jan-26-11 05:29 PM   #158 
        - True, but I am sure it was far less than the $30k they claim they "lost."  joshcryer   Jan-26-11 05:31 PM   #161 
        - Um, yes it was. The school expends a certain amount of money  liberalhistorian   Jan-26-11 09:22 PM   #183 
     - oh so the ends justify the means  chowhound   Jan-26-11 05:13 PM   #148 
        - Haha, garbage.  joshcryer   Jan-26-11 05:22 PM   #152 
        - yes, in this case it does. The children's grandfather was paying  Bluerthanblue   Jan-26-11 05:23 PM   #154 
  - Here's info on the white superintendent. He's into thoroughbred horse racing.  mzmolly   Jan-26-11 08:09 PM   #175 
  - WTF indeed  teenagebambam   Jan-25-11 01:40 PM   # 
  - I don't get this part:  dixiegrrrrl   Jan-25-11 01:40 PM   #4 
  - I'm guessing this is what happened  hughee99   Jan-25-11 01:49 PM   #12 
  - Exactly what I was thinking..  jeffedgmon   Jan-25-11 02:10 PM   #23 
  - I think the hitch here is that it's different school districts in different towns.  Xithras   Jan-25-11 02:42 PM   #30 
  - The father, however, presumably pays taxes in Copley, no?  alcibiades_mystery   Jan-25-11 03:55 PM   #47 
  - I believe the father is charged for something different.  LisaL   Jan-25-11 03:57 PM   #48 
  - Okay, but doesn't the father live in Copley?  lildreamer316   Jan-25-11 04:23 PM   #49 
  - The kid's Grandfather. not father. nt  verges   Jan-26-11 01:43 PM   #106 
  - Whether state or local, she paid taxes SOMEWHERE  Canuckistanian   Jan-25-11 06:59 PM   #64 
  - But the taxes she paid didn't go to the district  liberalhistorian   Jan-26-11 01:07 PM   #99 
     - No, she paid rent to keep a house over their head and heroically risked her life for them.  joshcryer   Jan-26-11 04:44 PM   #123 
     - +1000!  Bluerthanblue   Jan-26-11 04:59 PM   #140 
     - her FATHER pays taxes in the town where the children went to school  Bluerthanblue   Jan-26-11 04:54 PM   #133 
        - That's not how it works though  proud2BlibKansan   Jan-26-11 05:29 PM   #160 
           - What's done is done. She was treated unfairly and the laws are unjust.  joshcryer   Jan-26-11 05:31 PM   #163 
  - If Akron Homeowners Aren't Footing the Bill For Schools?  NashVegas   Jan-26-11 11:57 AM   #87 
     - They're forced to rent, no credit to buy, no job security, list goes on.  joshcryer   Jan-26-11 04:42 PM   #122 
        - Renters pay property taxes; it's part of their rent  proud2BlibKansan   Jan-26-11 04:53 PM   #132 
           - Landlords get tax breaks, renters are not recognized as having paid property taxes.  joshcryer   Jan-26-11 04:55 PM   #135 
              - All landlords don't get property tax breaks  proud2BlibKansan   Jan-26-11 04:57 PM   #137 
                 - There are so many deductions that landlords get it's absurd.  joshcryer   Jan-26-11 05:03 PM   #142 
                    - Bullshit  proud2BlibKansan   Jan-26-11 05:31 PM   #162 
                       - Feel free to read up on the many many deductions that you can get if you have rental property.  joshcryer   Jan-26-11 05:33 PM   #165 
  - Different school districts.  verges   Jan-26-11 01:40 PM   #105 
  - Rather, she was poor and could not afford to live in Copley, but decided to give her kids a chance.  joshcryer   Jan-26-11 04:50 PM   #129 
  - They are saying that the residents of that school district pay taxes to support those schools  proud2BlibKansan   Jan-26-11 04:51 PM   #131 
     - Yeah, it's a nice scam, actually. Keep the tuition high enough and people who can't "afford"...  joshcryer   Jan-26-11 05:00 PM   #141 
     - the 'tuition' is being paid by the GRANDFATHER- he lives in the town  Bluerthanblue   Jan-26-11 05:18 PM   #149 
        - It's not really about money, it's about demographics.  joshcryer   Jan-26-11 05:22 PM   #151 
        - Why didn't she just move in with her father?  proud2BlibKansan   Jan-26-11 05:26 PM   #156 
           - We may never know. But it's irrelevant. She should've paid the fine and profusely apologized, etc.  joshcryer   Jan-26-11 05:38 PM   #166 
           - Exactly! But, she didn't. And therefore she commited fraud. nt  verges   Jan-26-11 06:24 PM   #172 
           - I'm not sure everyone wants to live with their parents.  mzmolly   Jan-26-11 08:11 PM   #176 
  - Good point, worth sending to her lawyers  uponit7771   Jan-25-11 02:41 PM   #29 
  - There might be a difference in taxes someone pays for living in one area  LisaL   Jan-25-11 03:43 PM   #40 
  - The difference isn't very much, in Summit County, but they do parcel the tax rate.  joshcryer   Jan-26-11 05:20 PM   #150 
  - It's a valuation, done to establish the felony nature of the crime.....  msanthrope   Jan-25-11 06:14 PM   #55 
  - In my county, non-residents have to pay tuition to attend the public schools.  ehrnst   Jan-26-11 08:03 AM   #79 
  - That'll teach her  eleny   Jan-25-11 01:42 PM   #7 
  - A felony charge no less.  Scruffy1   Jan-25-11 01:43 PM   #8 
  - Vagrancy 2.0  immoderate   Jan-25-11 02:44 PM   #32 
  - Us black folks aren't suppose to receive a great education.  ej510   Jan-25-11 01:44 PM   #9 
  - unless they're male, and good at sports- then the rules  Bluerthanblue   Jan-26-11 04:57 PM   #138 
  - And yet:  Lorien   Jan-25-11 01:45 PM   #10 
  - Wow... I thought we had schools of choice?  Jokinomx   Jan-25-11 01:50 PM   #13 
  - Way back when  Gaedel   Jan-25-11 03:07 PM   #36 
  - and yet we see here on DU studies that say  azurnoir   Jan-25-11 01:51 PM   #14 
  - Oh my God!  The Backlash Cometh   Jan-25-11 01:54 PM   #15 
  - Report them, that is,  Tejas   Jan-25-11 02:39 PM   #27 
     - Child graduated.  The Backlash Cometh   Jan-25-11 02:56 PM   #34 
  - That is f'ed up.  CC   Jan-25-11 02:02 PM   #17 
  - I'd like to hear from the public school teachers on DU n/t  Still a Democrat   Jan-25-11 02:04 PM   #18 
  - Attendance = money. THAT is the crux here. Faking a domicile is state money lost for the "real"  WinkyDink   Jan-25-11 02:18 PM   #25 
  - So would her children generate as much revenue as those attending and living in the district?  Still a Democrat   Jan-25-11 02:23 PM   #26 
  - School A loses 3 kids = money lost. Period. School B picks up extra money for those 3 kids.  WinkyDink   Jan-25-11 03:45 PM   #41 
  - I'm not sure I'm following your question.  verges   Jan-26-11 01:55 PM   #109 
  - It is not money lost. The district has a fixed amount of money income from property taxes.  joshcryer   Jan-26-11 04:41 PM   #121 
  - and my reply is "don't ask, don't tell"  kwassa   Jan-26-11 04:18 PM   #119 
  - Ridiculous. IF my district didn't offer school choice, I would have done the same thing and likely  blondeatlast   Jan-25-11 02:04 PM   #19 
  - I support her as well-  Bluerthanblue   Jan-26-11 06:02 PM   #170 
  - That is about as much of a "crime" as smoking pot is.  cleanhippie   Jan-25-11 02:06 PM   #20 
  - Racism exists EVERYWHERE.  jeffedgmon   Jan-25-11 02:07 PM   #21 
  - these black folks are racist for wanting to send their children to a white school  datasuspect   Jan-25-11 02:09 PM   #22 
  - No, no; it's not that a white parent would go scot-free; it's that ANY parent of a GREAT ATHLETE  WinkyDink   Jan-25-11 02:14 PM   #24 
  - Not sure if you'd call a cheerleader a "great athlete".  Esurientes   Jan-26-11 08:52 PM   #178 
  - And how much did Penn Hills School district recover from Rick Santorum? Why didn't he go to jail?  sinkingfeeling   Jan-25-11 02:39 PM   #28 
  - Because he is Rick Santorum.  WinkyDink   Jan-25-11 03:46 PM   #42 
     - Because Penn Hills is in Pennsylvania not Ohio  happyslug   Jan-26-11 02:53 PM   #113 
  - I forwarded this  Frosty1   Jan-25-11 02:46 PM   #33 
  - wtf. People do this all the time.  Starry Messenger   Jan-25-11 03:01 PM   #35 
  - It isn't any the less illegal. Some get caught; some don't.  WinkyDink   Jan-25-11 03:47 PM   #43 
     - I've never heard of the fine though. And the jail. And the probation.  Starry Messenger   Jan-25-11 03:53 PM   #46 
     - Fines, yes. The rest? Overkill, IMO.  WinkyDink   Jan-25-11 05:45 PM   #53 
     - It is that way where I live - I found this out when I was considering adopting a child. (nt)  ehrnst   Jan-26-11 08:09 AM   #80 
     - They fine folks here for this  proud2BlibKansan   Jan-26-11 04:58 PM   #139 
        - I think she refused to pay the fine and then they took it to court.  joshcryer   Jan-26-11 05:07 PM   #144 
     - one gets prosecuted, the others don't-  Bluerthanblue   Jan-26-11 09:06 PM   #180 
  - It sounds like what she did was basically "school choice".  hughee99   Jan-25-11 03:40 PM   #37 
  - This is obscene.  Reader Rabbit   Jan-25-11 03:40 PM   #38 
  - Sad and effed up beyond belief. Judge says the county prosecutor refused to consider misdemeanor  entanglement   Jan-25-11 03:48 PM   #44 
  - Fuck the judge--she has the power to knock it down. She probably  msanthrope   Jan-25-11 06:16 PM   #56 
  - This has happened multiple times in our school district.  Dappleganger   Jan-25-11 03:52 PM   #45 
  - This poor mother needs a miracle... I hope some lawyer steps in and helps her....  midnight   Jan-25-11 04:37 PM   #50 
  - Are the kids good at sports???????  dembotoz   Jan-25-11 04:47 PM   #51 
  - I hope that prosecutor is proud for taking this all the way through trial.  varkam   Jan-25-11 05:42 PM   #52 
  - They chose her for 'good' reason.  msanthrope   Jan-25-11 06:10 PM   #54 
  - This is not necessarily black and white  karynnj   Jan-25-11 06:23 PM   #57 
  - "The solution is to improve all schools and make them safe." And when will we hear any politician  WinkyDink   Jan-25-11 06:25 PM   #58 
  - When will politicians discuss this on the national level?  MedicalAdmin   Jan-26-11 04:38 AM   #68 
  - Bwah! Indeed.  WinkyDink   Jan-26-11 07:24 AM   #72 
  - Never. It's far easier to blame and demonize  liberalhistorian   Jan-26-11 01:16 PM   #101 
  - How do you improve the schools.....  hakko936   Jan-26-11 02:49 PM   #112 
  - Who gives a crap?  blueamy66   Jan-26-11 07:45 AM   #78 
     - That is precisely what I said - it is the only real solution  karynnj   Jan-26-11 08:23 AM   #81 
  - I thought that all of Ohio had open enrollment  Nikia   Jan-25-11 06:27 PM   #59 
  - Please tell me why this woman actually deserves to be jailed for this.  delightfulstar   Jan-25-11 06:44 PM   #61 
  - No Child Left Behind !!!!!No Child Left Behind!!!!!!!!!  mstinamotorcity   Jan-25-11 06:50 PM   #62 
  - Why the kids can't choose their schools?  minavasht   Jan-25-11 06:52 PM   #63 
  - It's called "local control."  WinkyDink   Jan-26-11 07:25 AM   #73 
  - This headline to the OP seems racist...  Cid_B   Jan-25-11 07:03 PM   #65 
  - I checked. Fairlawn and Copley are about 87% white  EFerrari   Jan-26-11 01:22 PM   #102 
  - It was not presented this way on the news this morning...  Phentex   Jan-26-11 04:00 PM   #115 
  - How very sad  donheld   Jan-25-11 09:29 PM   #66 
  - This is an outrage  Tsiyu   Jan-26-11 05:07 AM   #69 
  - So sad when what all she wanted was better for her children  madokie   Jan-26-11 05:24 AM   #70 
  - But who doesn't? Someone in Podunk can't just up and send their child to  WinkyDink   Jan-26-11 07:31 AM   #75 
     - The better question is  bergie321   Jan-26-11 11:04 AM   #83 
     - Question is, why are public schools based on "wealth" rather than equal education for all?  defendandprotect   Jan-26-11 12:47 PM   #95 
     - Akron actually has higher per pupil costs. It's just that when money comes from the state...  joshcryer   Jan-26-11 04:48 PM   #126 
     - and Ohio's system for funding schools was found to be unconstitutional-  Bluerthanblue   Jan-26-11 06:55 PM   #174 
     - Public schools are primarily a county or city issue, not necessarily a state or federal issue.  Selatius   Jan-26-11 09:17 PM   #182 
     - Um, she took them to the bus stop every day.  joshcryer   Jan-26-11 04:46 PM   #125 
  - I think that the headline  Dorian Gray   Jan-26-11 07:22 AM   #71 
  - Maybe this explains how they found out.  Esurientes   Jan-26-11 09:15 PM   #181 
  - There is no school choice in IL?  boston bean   Jan-26-11 07:26 AM   #74 
  - States with inTER-district "choice" are in the VAST minority (about 15/50). And inTRA-district is  WinkyDink   Jan-26-11 07:45 AM   #77 
  - American Apartheid  W T F   Jan-26-11 10:47 AM   #82 
  - "Because of the felony conviction, you will not be allowed to get your teaching degree under Ohio...  Faryn Balyncd   Jan-26-11 11:41 AM   #84 
  - Jesus wept  onethatcares   Jan-26-11 11:44 AM   #85 
  - Vouchers would end this type of crap.  hakko936   Jan-26-11 11:54 AM   #86 
  - The school district hired a private investigator to do surveillance to make their case  csziggy   Jan-26-11 11:59 AM   #88 
  - Probably just felt like making an example of somebody  Demstud   Jan-26-11 12:09 PM   #91 
  - Yes, and I would bet this poor woman paniced and caused the case to get worse  csziggy   Jan-26-11 02:15 PM   #111 
  - that's the part that stuck out in the article to me. they hired a PI to follow them and make a  Divine Discontent   Jan-26-11 08:56 PM   #179 
  - In the U.S.A., it will ALWAYS be seen as proper to discriminate on the basis of $$$  Romulox   Jan-26-11 12:01 PM   #89 
  - That's terrible. K&R  pam4water   Jan-26-11 12:01 PM   #90 
  - Yeah, they don't like that in O-Hiya.  Shagbark Hickory   Jan-26-11 12:11 PM   #92 
  - So how is one school's education worth $30k more than the other?  guruoo   Jan-26-11 12:14 PM   #93 
  - Because the school charged that much for "out of district" students. They just added up the years.  joshcryer   Jan-26-11 05:08 PM   #146 
  - When we understand that no one from the "white" school would have tried to sneak their kids...  defendandprotect   Jan-26-11 12:42 PM   #94 
  - Wow, just wow!!  Beacool   Jan-26-11 12:58 PM   #96 
  - this is bullshit if the parents had anytype of joint custody, bullshit anyway ie brown v board  Exultant Democracy   Jan-26-11 01:38 PM   #104 
  - A travesty  blackspade   Jan-26-11 01:52 PM   #108 
  - FELONY charges?? Are you shitting me??  Blue_Tires   Jan-26-11 03:57 PM   #114 
  - The blog in the first link is gone. Probably because of the racist heading...  Phentex   Jan-26-11 04:03 PM   #116 
  - Sad  ismnotwasm   Jan-26-11 04:03 PM   #117 
  - I hope she can take this to a higher court  AsahinaKimi   Jan-26-11 04:08 PM   #118 
  - Sounds like some good old jury nullification was in order.  TheKentuckian   Jan-26-11 04:39 PM   #120 
  - I know I wouldn't have voted to convict.  Pithlet   Jan-26-11 09:30 PM   #184 
  - I have known white folks who did the same thing.No one ever says a word  McCamy Taylor   Jan-26-11 04:48 PM   #127 
  - sad but true-  Bluerthanblue   Jan-26-11 05:08 PM   #145 
  - why would she send her kids to a predominantly white school?  crazyjoe   Jan-26-11 05:48 PM   #167 
  - because the school in her district was really bad!  democracy1st   Jan-27-11 01:16 AM   #188 
  - Shocking turnaround  Rev. Nancy   Jan-26-11 06:09 PM   #171 
  - Isn't Ohio's school funding still "Unconstitutional"? if the school  Bluerthanblue   Jan-26-11 06:50 PM   #173 
  - K&R. This story needs to go national!!!  Pryderi   Jan-27-11 01:09 AM   #187 
     - It is national. I saw it on CNN this evening. nt  Liquorice   Jan-27-11 01:33 AM   #190 
 

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